The most annoying poster on the SDMB

[Boo]

Since the last thread (http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=8136) has run to 18+ pages, and doesn't seem to be listing posters, and reasons why posters annoy (it seemed to be started as a direct attack against Carol Stream and branched from there), I thought I'd get the ball rolling on a simpler format. And what a better topic to start my first thread here, brought over by an advertisement telling me there were no annoying ads!

Poster Name - Reason for your annoyance

In general, there is one type of poster that I truly loathe. That is the Junior Mod, hanging out in ATMB, having comments on just about anything and everything, and really can't seem to STFU.

So for that as my lead in, a couple of posters stick out. I know nothing about these people (or anyone on the SDMB in real life), and I'd like to keep it that way. The annoying fucks!

Let's begin:

1) Oakminster - he seems to be the type of person who would squirt water from his hose at kids on his lawn. Just a cranky, pompous fart who is not as smart as he thinks he is.

2) tacoloco - Another junior mod-in-training, who doesn't seem to add much to the board other than complaining about other posters.

3) Diogenes the Cynic - A raving lunatic with a keyboard and internet access.

4) Shodan - Regards, Shodan. That says it all. A repeated, typed in signature that has been, admitted by Shodan himself, to be a polite "fuck you". He does get points for honesty, whatever that's worth.

5) Cesario - not only a one-trick pony... but the "trick" is not pleasant.

6) TubaDiva - She is by far the worst management/administrator/moderator on the SDMB. No interpersonal skills, and the subtlety of a sledge hammer. I can't remember a time where I've read a post from her to the teeming millions that didn't sound like she was yelling at a bunch of second graders. She's an unpleasant person who's personal misery comes through with every key stroke. Why she has been permitted to continue to be a paid member of the staff is beyond me, but IRL, she would have been bounced years ago for her customer service acumen. She's the closest thing to a civil servant I've seen in a public sector job. Potential reasons for her keeping her job include being a relative of Ed/Cecil or having compromising pictures of Ed/Cecil and some type of farm animal.

Boo :spooky:

[Auntbeast]

I can only assume that perhaps the reason TubaDiva still gets paid is that she is more how the PTB want her to be. I just tell myself that Management sets the tone.

I've not had many specific beefs about other posters, however, while I consider the whole Regards, Shodan thing to be him just doing it because he can. I also get to consider that being a jerk and dislike him for it.

I can't believe Nzinga, Seated hasn't made the lists. The whole "you don't know MY world" schtick is fucking ludicrous. She single handedly can dismiss any valid argument that may involve race, socioeconomic issues, geographic variation, gender observations or pretty much any thing she wants.

However, the most annoying SDMB poster, which actually posts under the name of many, many users is the BMI Monster. Now now, kitten, I'm certain your thyroid is absolutely responsible for your weight gain and your genetic heritage curses you to morbid obesity and that there is not one fudge rounds level of personal responsibility. But really, for the vast majority of humans, eat less + exercise more= lose weight. (See that little thing? It is called a period. It means the sentence is over, the thought is complete, no, "but I'm big boned!" or any other stupid bullshit.)

[Who_me?]

Since the OP neglected to mention Rand Rover, this whole thread is flawed.

I would agree with everyone else mentioned except tacoloco. He may be annoying at times, but he's no where near the head of the class.

[Zack Lee Wright]

If the OP hates mini mods I am thinking someone is missing.

[Boo]

As an FYI, there was no order to my list. Just off the top of my beanie.

[beebs]

Oh no you dihnint!

My love for Nzinga burns with the heat of a thousand African suns.

If you read this, keep it up darling.

[iampunha]

6) TubaDiva

Sixth? Wow. You missed a couple of amazing jackasses and put her sixth.

I have a bit of a longer-range perspective, based on length of posting history:

1) Mark Serlin. This guy was a troll first and a persistent troll second. Drain Bead at one point figured out all his names and when they were on by adding them to her AIM list and watching as the various incarnations signed on, posted on the board, then signed off. Most of his work came before me, but I still read plenty about it.

2) Jack Dean Tyler. For a few months on the SDMB, it was actually impossible to discuss circumcision without JDT popping up to talk about the Tug-Ahoy, the personal research he'd done on men's penises and foreskin, the piss showers that would end wars and contribute to global enlightenment, the ideal contribution women could make during sex (lie there and let the man, all-knowing, do everything). This obsession with foreskin meant that JDT of course hated Jews. Jenny (TubaDiva) banned him after I put together a list of posts he'd made that pretty clearly broke board rules.

In hindsight, I should have taken this as a hint of how disconnected the administration was from the actual people on the board.

3) december. december was a blogger operating within the confines of a message board. You could bank on three things on the SDMB every morning: There would be an open flirt thread in MPSIMS, Arnold Winkelried would be making sure people linked to the columns they were discussing in CCC (Comments on Cecil's Columns), and december would have his "The Democratic Party can do no right/The Republican Party is the key to answering all of life's questions." I believe it was december whose peppering of the board (GD and The BBQ Pit primarily) resulted in Lynn Bodoni around 2006 or so instituting a rule forbidding december from having more than one thread on the front page of The Pit or GD.

4) Sweet Sue. That might not even be her name, but goddamn she was an annoying piece of work. Her thing was to post something very small, in a confined space, sort of like a one-liner, and your job, if you accepted it, was to strain to read the text and then figure out which post she was replying to -- if any. Repeated requests to stop were met with amusement on her part. I don't remember why or if she left or if she just sort of faded away once people stopped dignifying her presence, but there was a time when you'd have a really interesting conversation going and then you'd have to step around the shit Sue'd left in the thread.

5) Satan. It is more accurate to say that Satan was abrasive, and sometimes uncaringly so, than that he was a troll per se. A great many people loved him. A great many people eventually could not stand him. I met him and never had a problem with him -- perhaps largely because we didn't often disagree. But he could be amazingly caustic, and that in the end is what prompted his banning, if memory serves. And that banning was announced back when bannings rarely were. That is how ubiquitous Satan was on the board.

6) Scylla. Scylla could in one post be an amazingly insightful person and in the next post make you wonder how in the ever-loving name of Cecil he hadn't been banned. He could be a wonderful friend and debater, and he could just be a dick all week to everyone. Of the people in this list so far, he's the only one I know for a fact hadn't been banned as of when I left. He was politically to the right, but more usefully, he often seemed to not give two shits about anyone else's opinion.

7) Dex/Jenny/Ed. These three would be considerably higher were this a list of the most annoying forces on the board. Dex was a jackass when he wasn't posting about board policy. Jenny would be all sweet and then just go crazy fucking bitch all over everyone. And Ed didn't even bother with sweet. But they none of them post very much, which has contributed I think to a certain sense that they're detached from the day-to-day happenings on the board.

8) Marley28. My recollection is that Marley started out just fine, not that strong of a personality, and then suddenly, one day, Marley was a mod, and suddenly there was a new dick in town. If some sort of scientific panel or whatever were to discover that Marley was possessed right as he gained modhood, I would not be surprised. The change was that drastic.

9) badchad. badchad was like a week-old corpse -- while he was there, he was a putrid stench of a thing, but he was delivered from us relatively quickly. badchad's deal was that wherever Polycarp was, whatever he was doing, there was something deeply wrong with it, and badchad was going to point it out. Polycarp was nice to him for a while, but badchad really didn't give a shit who was nice to him, who suggested he back the fuck off, whatever. He was allowed to latch onto Polycarp and try to leech humanity (which would then be spat out like the poison it would be to badchad), and so that, by God, is what he was going to do.

Poly eventually took him to task for this, challenging him to show where he had sinned or shut his mouth. badchad took the angle of, "If I pretend this post is just as horrible as the others, I will win."

It didn't work. badchad was told, public, by an admin (Lynn, if memory serves), that he would find something else to do on the SDMB or he would be relieved of his posting privileges.

He disappeared fairly quickly after that.

10)His4Ever/Lynn73 or something. His4Ever started out innocent enough, one of more than a few conservative/charismatic Christians who simply fundamentally disagreed with anything that ran contrary to her view of the Bible. Fine, easy enough to navigate around. The trouble was that she didn't really have that developed an idea of what was in the Bible. She also felt (and this is a mindset I've seen many times in a certain kind of person) that because God had forgiven her, any mistakes she made were just things that happened in the past, not evidence that she needed to reconsider her views. This included getting married to a man she later divorced (he was abusive) because she really wanted to have sex but God doesn't approve of sex outside of marriage. (He's a big fan of divorce, though.)

As you'd expect, she ran considerably far afoul of Poly, Siege (nee CJ Howorth) and a hell of a lot of other dopers because her arguments lacked substance. She and Siege eventually had a fight, with Siege addressing her during one particularly thorough rant as Baals4Ever (His4Never having been exhausted as a source of amusement). Then His4Ever kind of disappeared for a while. And then, maybe a month later, maybe less, someone named Lynn73 popped up with a bit more posts than you'd expect from someone whose name you didn't know.

She'd changed her name to divorce herself from her past.

Trouble is, for that to work, the person has to change with the name. And while she was considerably more hesitant to get into religious discussions (which is entirely understandable), when pressed she stuck to her guns.

Good for her, or something. But they still lacked metal ammunition.

Honorable mention: phaedrus (before my time), concrete (don't remember what everyone disliked about her), handy (he never bothered me because I didn't hang around in the GQ threads he'd reply to with guesses), Wildest Bill (too funny to be as annoying as the others), Reeder, The Grapinator or whatever his name was, danielinthewolvesden, FriendofGod, superdude (more annoying because of off-board issues).

[Boo]

Sixth? Wow. You missed a couple of amazing jackasses and put her sixth.


You missed my post #5 (I think). I just put these down as they came to me. No particular order.

TubaDiva is a very angry person and seems to have a jones about this place, and the other splinter boards. She is the queen of the snarky comment, and is never called on her bullshit. I try to cut mods some slack because they are doing a thankless job for free, but she's getting paid and she's a complete jackass.

Boo :spooky:

[iampunha]

You missed my post #5 (I think). I just put these down as they came to me. No particular order.

Yeah, I did. I started writing my post just after I read the post about Rand Rover. I previewed twice to make sure everything was legit, but I just blanked on the note on rankings.

I should note, in case it was not obvious, that most post covers roughly 2000-2006 or so. So anyone who's come along recently (Cesario is a creepy fucker but not the most annoying yet) isn't on my radar.

[Dangermouse]

danielinthewolvesden

I associate that name with Left Hand of Dorkness, for reasons which escape me. I don't know if I am doing LHoD any favours with that.

[Veb]

TubaDiva is a very angry person and seems to have a jones about this place, and the other splinter boards. She is the queen of the snarky comment, and is never called on her bullshit. I try to cut mods some slack because they are doing a thankless job for free, but she's getting paid and she's a complete jackass.
FWIW, she's paid a very small amount (as in: tiny) to maintain the front page and do stuff like WeirdUrls, etc. When everything's balanced out she's probably paid a fair amount more out of her own pocket to keep the board afloat than she's made.

Not defending the rest, mind. A volunteer job is still a job. She (and several others) are badly burned out. Not good for anyone, IMO.

[MissJeanLouise]

I can't believe Nzinga, Seated hasn't made the lists. The whole "you don't know MY world" schtick is fucking ludicrous. She single handedly can dismiss any valid argument that may involve race, socioeconomic issues, geographic variation, gender observations or pretty much any thing she wants.

I actually put Broomstick in that category, with the endless posting about being poor. I've been poor, too, and I know it sucks, but sometimes I feel like the defensiveness with which she posts about it negates any empathy I might have for her.

However, the most annoying SDMB poster, which actually posts under the name of many, many users is the BMI Monster. Now now, kitten, I'm certain your thyroid is absolutely responsible for your weight gain and your genetic heritage curses you to morbid obesity and that there is not one fudge rounds level of personal responsibility. But really, for the vast majority of humans, eat less + exercise more= lose weight. (See that little thing? It is called a period. It means the sentence is over, the thought is complete, no, "but I'm big boned!" or any other stupid bullshit.)

But you know what? I tried getting down to the weight that the BMI tells me I should be and I looked like a concentration camp victim. No lie. People asked me all the time if I was ill. Also, if I dip below a certain number of calories, my body goes into starvation mode. Yes, it's a real thing. You can't lose weight if you don't eat enough. That's why anorexics are well known for their sizable, well-balanced meals. You don't seem to know much about nutrition.

[Veb]

concrete (don't remember what everyone disliked about her)
concrete was a 'him'. His entire repertoire was being young, drunk, drugged and stupid. He had no filters, which could make his stuff very funny at times but he just never let up--or grew up. After a while his performance art--"watch concrete be crazy and obnoxious!"--got old. Think of an inadequately potty-trained ADD 3 year old always shouting "LOOK AT ME!"

[iampunha]

I associate that name with Left Hand of Dorkness, for reasons which escape me. I don't know if I am doing LHoD any favours with that.

They probably participated in quite a few GD threads together, but I'd happily share a root beer with LHoD, whereas ditwad is courteously invited to go sit in the corner.

concrete was a 'him'.

Curses. Foiled. There was at least one of those "My life is a game with rules I make up" posters who was female, though.

[HongKongFooey]

Two that seem to rankle everyone but who don't bother me so much are Diogenes and Shodan. They seem to have very different posting styles in forums other than the Pit and GD. I gave up on the Pit and have never been able to stay awake long enough to read more than a page at a time in GD.

Most annoying for me is Argent Towers, easily.

[Auntbeast]

But you know what? I tried getting down to the weight that the BMI tells me I should be and I looked like a concentration camp victim. No lie. People asked me all the time if I was ill. Also, if I dip below a certain number of calories, my body goes into starvation mode. Yes, it's a real thing. You can't lose weight if you don't eat enough. That's why anorexics are well known for their sizable, well-balanced meals. You don't seem to know much about nutrition.

And if I hit the right BMI, I'm a fat cow. Moderation my dear, folks seem to not understand that. There is a big difference between being within 15-20lbs of ideal weight, and 200lbs.

Maybe I'm not as well versed in nutrition as you, but I believe it is a fundamental law of the universe is that you can not make something from nothing.

[iampunha]

Two that seem to rankle everyone but who don't bother me so much are Diogenes and Shodan. They seem to have very different posting styles in forums other than the Pit and GD. I gave up on the Pit and have never been able to stay awake long enough to read more than a page at a time in GD.

Dio bothered me once upon a time, and he frankly pissed me the hell off, but I think somewhere in there either he mellowed or I got laid.

Shodan, meanwhile, is just one of those guys with enough education and enough lack of concern for when he's really pissing people off with "Let me argue this point while I think of something valid" posts that he'll really get to you until you realize you can tell when he's dialing it in.

Not that he'll ever necessarily cede a point. You just have to realize he takes himself seriously 99 percent of the time and has cracked-dry wit the other 1 percent.

Both of them used to make me furious. Now? Dio's just a kid with a big vocabulary, and Shodan uses the same size stick to beat down the giants and the gnats.

[AuntiePam]

I'm going to hell for this but I became really annoyed with Tokyo Player. I went from feeling bad for him to wishing he'd just shut up. It didn't help that I never saw him post in anyone else's threads about the troubles they were having with pregnancies, or losing children. Maybe if his posts weren't so glurgey, it wouldn't have been so annoying.

And Opal Cat. I haven't checked back, but last time I looked, she had posted three threads with wedding videos (what? a year after the wedding? nobody cares) and there wasn't a single response. I wonder if she ever figured out how to wear that engagement ring. Maybe on a chain with a buckeye?

But I like Dio and lissener, so what do I know?

[HongKongFooey]

Dio is actually funny (unintentionally) to read in football threads. The Vikings always lose because the refs are biased. Always! It is the funniest tragicomedy on the board. The beleaguered Vikes fighting valiantly against the oppression of the other team AND the referees. He really has no clue about football but he's not quite an ass about it. Just kind of pathetically single-minded.

[MissJeanLouise]

And if I hit the right BMI, I'm a fat cow. Moderation my dear, folks seem to not understand that. There is a big difference between being within 15-20lbs of ideal weight, and 200lbs.

Maybe I'm not as well versed in nutrition as you, but I believe it is a fundamental law of the universe is that you can not make something from nothing.

Oh, man...I was kidding. I totally agree with you. I was taking the POV of the BMI Monster b/c I get really sick of those threads, too. :sciencefail:

[Boo]

One name that completely slipped through my brain cells...

Liberal - I don't think I have to explain this one.

However, he seems to have disappeared, or at least cut down his posting considerably. I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him, and he usually hangs out in ATMB (I think).

Has his ship finally run aground?

[Fenris]

Sixth? Wow. You missed a couple of amazing jackasses and put her sixth.

I have a bit of a longer-range perspective, based on length of posting history:
Ditto--some comments on your comments

1) Mark Serlin. This guy was a troll first and a persistent troll second. Drain Bead at one point figured out all his names and when they were on by adding them to her AIM list and watching as the various incarnations signed on, posted on the board, then signed off. Most of his work came before me, but I still read plenty about it.
I missed too much to count him. Unless he's the guy with the "poofy crotchal hair" fetish. In which case, the one thread of his I saw was funny.

2) Jack Dean Tyler. For a few months on the SDMB, it was actually impossible to discuss circumcision without JDT popping up to talk about the Tug-Ahoy, the personal research he'd done on men's penises and foreskin, the piss showers that would end wars and contribute to global enlightenment, the ideal contribution women could make during sex (lie there and let the man, all-knowing, do everything). This obsession with foreskin meant that JDT of course hated Jews. Jenny (TubaDiva) banned him after I put together a list of posts he'd made that pretty clearly broke board rules.

In hindsight, I should have taken this as a hint of how disconnected the administration was from the actual people on the board.
Also--he hated women.

Also2 he believed that foreskins were prehensile. He also < shudder > had a link to his homepage. Someone figured out that there was a hidden hyperlink (like a period or something) that would take you to pics of his micro-dick. Suddenly you understood his obsession with a foreskin that would make his dick look bigger. < shudder >

3) december. december was a blogger operating within the confines of a message board. You could bank on three things on the SDMB every morning: There would be an open flirt thread in MPSIMS, Arnold Winkelried would be making sure people linked to the columns they were discussing in CCC (Comments on Cecil's Columns), and december would have his "The Democratic Party can do no right/The Republican Party is the key to answering all of life's questions." I believe it was december whose peppering of the board (GD and The BBQ Pit primarily) resulted in Lynn Bodoni around 2006 or so instituting a rule forbidding december from having more than one thread on the front page of The Pit or GD.
I don't remember that rule. Not that it wasn't there, but IIRC, that was Reeder with the "one thread only" rule.

4) Sweet Sue. That might not even be her name, but goddamn she was an annoying piece of work. Her thing was to post something very small, in a confined space, sort of like a one-liner, and your job, if you accepted it, was to strain to read the text and then figure out which post she was replying to -- if any. Repeated requests to stop were met with amusement on her part. I don't remember why or if she left or if she just sort of faded away once people stopped dignifying her presence, but there was a time when you'd have a really interesting conversation going and then you'd have to step around the shit Sue'd left in the thread.
Nah--too brief a lifespan. She was only around for a few months.

5) Satan. It is more accurate to say that Satan was abrasive, and sometimes uncaringly so, than that he was a troll per se. A great many people loved him. A great many people eventually could not stand him. I met him and never had a problem with him -- perhaps largely because we didn't often disagree. But he could be amazingly caustic, and that in the end is what prompted his banning, if memory serves. And that banning was announced back when bannings rarely were. That is how ubiquitous Satan was on the board.
Actually-his banning was one of those bullshit "We're looking for an excuse" things. I'm NOT saying he didn't deserve to be banned: he did. But the final straw was something like him saying "Quit weaseling" to someone in GD and they banned him for calling her a weasel. Also, allegedly he stalked people off-board (e-mail harassment type stalking). He also started the Left Behind war.

6) Scylla. Scylla could in one post be an amazingly insightful person and in the next post make you wonder how in the ever-loving name of Cecil he hadn't been banned. He could be a wonderful friend and debater, and he could just be a dick all week to everyone. Of the people in this list so far, he's the only one I know for a fact hadn't been banned as of when I left. He was politically to the right, but more usefully, he often seemed to not give two shits about anyone else's opinion.
I think you're overstating this one. The only truly asshole thread he had was his "If you're in a Dodge Viper, you shouldn't park in a handicap spot, even if you're a decorated veteran who got his legs blown off saving an orphanage from terrorists" one. A lot of the other "Scylla is an asshole" stuff comes from him having to defend innocuous threads from thread-shitting stalkers like Elvis1ives. Scylla had a "My grandfather's a racist...but he's also a hero and I still love him" thread that was completely shit upon.

7) Dex/Jenny/Ed. These three would be considerably higher were this a list of the most annoying forces on the board. Dex was a jackass when he wasn't posting about board policy. Jenny would be all sweet and then just go crazy fucking bitch all over everyone. And Ed didn't even bother with sweet. But they none of them post very much, which has contributed I think to a certain sense that they're detached from the day-to-day happenings on the board.
I disagree about Dex--he's (IMO) great except for board policy. I also can't believe you forgot Lynn. MUCH worse than Dex (who, IMO, only got bad when ATMB became the new pit) and Jenny who's heart is 100% in the right place. Lynn makes up rules on the spur of the moment and applies them retroactively, she ruined the pit and she's mean.

8) Marley28. My recollection is that Marley started out just fine, not that strong of a personality, and then suddenly, one day, Marley was a mod, and suddenly there was a new dick in town. If some sort of scientific panel or whatever were to discover that Marley was possessed right as he gained modhood, I would not be surprised. The change was that drastic.
As long as he's not modding, I like him. Tomndebb and Marley both have the same "They're never wrong, and they'll argue until you get bored, parsing each syllable of each word" style of modding that drives me nuts.

9) badchad. badchad was like a week-old corpse -- while he was there, he was a putrid stench of a thing, but he was delivered from us relatively quickly. badchad's deal was that wherever Polycarp was, whatever he was doing, there was something deeply wrong with it, and badchad was going to point it out. Polycarp was nice to him for a while, but badchad really didn't give a shit who was nice to him, who suggested he back the fuck off, whatever. He was allowed to latch onto Polycarp and try to leech humanity (which would then be spat out like the poison it would be to badchad), and so that, by God, is what he was going to do.

Poly eventually took him to task for this, challenging him to show where he had sinned or shut his mouth. badchad took the angle of, "If I pretend this post is just as horrible as the others, I will win."

It didn't work. badchad was told, public, by an admin (Lynn, if memory serves), that he would find something else to do on the SDMB or he would be relieved of his posting privileges.
Nah--flash in the pan--he was only around for a year or so--and that was in two distinct phases.


10)His4Ever/Lynn73 or something. His4Ever started out innocent enough, one of more than a few conservative/charismatic Christians who simply fundamentally disagreed with anything that ran contrary to her view of the Bible. Fine, easy enough to navigate around. The trouble was that she didn't really have that developed an idea of what was in the Bible. She also felt (and this is a mindset I've seen many times in a certain kind of person) that because God had forgiven her, any mistakes she made were just things that happened in the past, not evidence that she needed to reconsider her views. This included getting married to a man she later divorced (he was abusive) because she really wanted to have sex but God doesn't approve of sex outside of marriage. (He's a big fan of divorce, though.)

As you'd expect, she ran considerably far afoul of Poly, Siege (nee CJ Howorth) and a hell of a lot of other dopers because her arguments lacked substance. She and Siege eventually had a fight, with Siege addressing her during one particularly thorough rant as Baals4Ever (His4Never having been exhausted as a source of amusement). Then His4Ever kind of disappeared for a while. And then, maybe a month later, maybe less, someone named Lynn73 popped up with a bit more posts than you'd expect from someone whose name you didn't know.

She'd changed her name to divorce herself from her past.

Trouble is, for that to work, the person has to change with the name. And while she was considerably more hesitant to get into religious discussions (which is entirely understandable), when pressed she stuck to her guns.

Good for her, or something. But they still lacked metal ammunition.
I felt bad for her: a) she really, REALLY believed it--including the "stay with the abusive spouse" thing and b) she really tried to change.

Honorable mention: phaedrus (before my time)
I still think that Phaedrus was a Liberal sock. (I'm half-joking here). They're both weird "atoms are all that exist" type Christians, they're both part Indian, they've both got a thing for Andrew Jackson, they both do that "equation" type of philosophy, they're both independantly rich and Liberal came along just as Phaedrus was on his way out--some Nonny posted a bunch of additional points of similarity. I dunno...but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

concrete (don't remember what everyone disliked about her),
She's a him.

handy (he never bothered me because I didn't hang around in the GQ threads he'd reply to with guesses),
Correction: google. He'd type in the noun or verb of the thread title, google and link to the first hit. He didn't guess. You could actually reproduce his searches.

Wildest Bill (too funny to be as annoying as the others)
He was nasty...mean as a rabid dog--but all anyone remembers is the funny malpropisms. For example, in a thread about him taking Mexican speed, driving on the stuff, getting pulled over by like 20 cop cars, Guin said "What the fuck are you THINKING?!" and (for whatever reason--it made sense in context) WB accused her of sleeping with her college professors to get better grades. Or his racism ("Jews are crafty businessmen", "blacks have natural rhythm", etc)

Reeder
I loathed him.

danielinthewolvesden
I got to know him over on the Unaboard and he's a hell of a nice guy--the Dope was just a bad environment for him.

I'd add:

Elvis1ives--he stalks people regularly--he stalked Scylla for quite a while and now he's stalking Bricker. ANY time Bricker posts, within 10 posts or so, Elvis will appear and make a quasi-personal comment.

Der Trihs-when he's not threadshitting, he's ok, but he threadshits constantly. It's impossible to have a civil discussion between right and left posters because of his bomb-throwing.

Quiddty Gomfuster-who would barge into Pit threads, not knowing any of the history or backstory and pontificate about how immoral everyone's behavior was...regardless.

Diogenes--most prolific troll the SDMB has ever seen. From his "black people have natural jungle rhythm and can dance good" post to his "You've decided that if you and your husband reach an impasse, he'll decide since that's the man's role? You must have been an abused child" to...lord...dozens of others--his gimmick is to pop into threads, make an absurdly broad claim, then slloooowwwlly back away from it over time. Frankly, it's objectively the best trollling the SDMB has ever seen. But it's as annoying as fuck.

Elucidator--he's not as funny as he thinks he is and he keeps interrupting threads--if he'd just toss out a one-liner now and then, fine, but he's in EVERY goddamned GD thread, with usually a dozen meaningless posts.

I'm missing a few, but those are tops on my list.

[Auntbeast]

Oh, man...I was kidding. I totally agree with you. I was taking the POV of the BMI Monster b/c I get really sick of those threads, too. :sciencefail:

Oh thank GOD! I damned near ran away screaming. I'm new here, so I wasn't sure if I would get *exactly* the type of post you made, which is *exactly* the thing that drives me nuts.

BIG HUG! (and a huge sigh of relief)

[MissJeanLouise]

Oh thank GOD! I damned near ran away screaming. I'm new here, so I wasn't sure if I would get *exactly* the type of post you made, which is *exactly* the thing that drives me nuts.

BIG HUG! (and a huge sigh of relief)

I should have looked at your join date/post count. I recognize you from Over There and forgot that you might be new here.

[HongKongFooey]

Shit. I almost forgot the other dude that annoys the fuck out of me. I may be alone on this one since I never see his name brought up but Skald the Rhymer drives me up a tree. I don't believe any of his stupid stories, I don't care about his comic book fantasies and I wish he would stop asking how people would respond to every idiotic, hare-braned, barely plausible scenario that passes through his brain. I think his wife was made up and he's an isolated Internet tard. There.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

Reeder probably annoyed me more the most of all of these, simply because for the longest time you could count on a quarter of the threads listed on the first page of the Pit to be some screed of his. And usually with no substance at all. He'd find some little bad thing done by someone somewhere in the government and somehow it was Bush's fault. And on top of that he was constantly mocking Bush for (1) his appearance ("monkey face monkey face monkey face!"), (2) his accent (God forbid he actually picked up a Texas accent while living here), and, when all else failed, (3) he'd call him "Shrub". Because somehow finding a synonym to the noun that his actual name could be interpreted as is somehow even more insulting.

Mind you, I am not at all a Dubya fan. Never voted for him once, not for Governor, not for President. It shows you just how out there reeder when you've got me defending Dubya. Gah!

[Fenris]

On the "accent" thing--there was another poster--maybe Chas.E?--who thought Bush had a secret mind-control accent. The rusty-saw twang of Bush's accent was apparently carefully cultivated to control minds Svengali-style.

Note: The guy wasn't saying "He's trying to pretend he's down-home and folksy" which wouldn't be totally insane, he thought Bush's accent literally had mind-control powers, comic-book style.

[iampunha]

I missed too much to count him. Unless he's the guy with the "poofy crotchal hair" fetish. In which case, the one thread of his I saw was funny.

One and the same.

I missed most of Serlin, but from what I could tell from reading about him (and reading the occasional linked thread), the thing about him is that you couldn't post in the social forums without having to encounter that whole crotchal spray thing.


Also2 he believed that foreskins were prehensile. He also < shudder > had a link to his homepage. Someone figured out that there was a hidden hyperlink (like a period or something) that would take you to pics of his micro-dick. Suddenly you understood his obsession with a foreskin that would make his dick look bigger. < shudder >

And then there were the multicolored diagrams of before-and-after with flaccid penises and ...

Should I keep going with this, or have we effectively scarred half the crowd already?

I don't remember that rule. Not that it wasn't there, but IIRC, that was Reeder with the "one thread only" rule.

You sure? I could swear it was december, but the only difference between them was politics.

Nah--too brief a lifespan. She was only around for a few months.

Ah, but while she was there, she was horrid.

Picture it. 2 a.m., you're catching up on the day's events, and you have to squint to read this post by this person.

And then you realize it's just some idiot posting something cutesy.

Multiply by 400.

A), this was before ignore lists, and B), I never realized I could just ignore the posts without an ignore list. Anything anyone wrote was worth reading.

Actually-his banning was one of those bullshit "We're looking for an excuse" things. I'm NOT saying he didn't deserve to be banned: he did. But the final straw was something like him saying "Quit weaseling" to someone in GD and they banned him for calling her a weasel. Also, allegedly he stalked people off-board (e-mail harassment type stalking). He also started the Left Behind war.

Oh, I definitely remember the justification for the banning being something where they looked until they found something and then that was it. This wasn't on par with Collounsbury's banning (where december just baited and baited and baited and Coll finally tired of the whole thing).

Satan also absolutely tried to -- his account, so it's understandably slanted -- contact admins and mods some months after he was banned, begging to be let back in. He had to get Drain Bead to collect the e-mail addresses.

I met him at a Columbus (or similar) dopefest probably seven years ago. Just one of those kinda nuts eccentric guys. But that's not the same setting as the board.

I think you're overstating this one. The only truly asshole thread he had was his "If you're in a Dodge Viper, you shouldn't park in a handicap spot, even if you're a decorated veteran who got his legs blown off saving an orphanage from terrorists" one.

Forgetting Leave us abuse the French (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-34776.html)? He didn't start it, but he was far from Mr. Rational in it.

Then there was the time he talked about purposefully hurting his daughter. (Very hot asphalt, and she "needed to learn" about what happens when you step on hot asphalt, or something. He noted feeling really bad about doing it. How nice.)

I disagree about Dex--he's (IMO) great except for board policy.

Three words: Persephone, garbage angels. The thread must have been disappeared, but that was A) knowingly and deliberately lying about a board member and B) about the worst-executed apology I've ever seen.

And there was when he said, "I see anyone I know is underage in that bar, I'm calling the cops." Tigs and I were looking to go to meet people, not get smashing drunk.

However, that did save me from what would eventually have been disappointment at meeting Ed, so maybe it's not all so horrid.

I also can't believe you forgot Lynn.

I think I left (the first time) before Lynn became not just amusingly acerbic but mean.

I felt bad for her: a) she really, REALLY believed it--including the "stay with the abusive spouse" thing and b) she really tried to change.

I'm glad she seemed sincere to you. She seemed to me like someone who was given a set of beliefs and never challenged them, so they were ingrained once she realized they didn't always work out the best for her. She seemed vapid and mentally weak.

She would probably have done better with the change thing if she hadn't tried to hide and then come back like someone with a high post count who'd just been flying under the radar. But she was loudly unhappy when we figured out who she was, which isn't supposed to happen anyway because name changes are supposed to be announced.

they're both part Indian, they've both got a thing for Andrew Jackson

Yeah, far be it for two Indians to have a thing for Andrew Jackson ;)

I dunno...but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Never knew phaedy, so I can't say.

Correction: google. He'd type in the noun or verb of the thread title, google and link to the first hit. He didn't guess. You could actually reproduce his searches.

Are you sure you're not recreating the entire posting history of Duck Duck Goose? ;)

(for whatever reason--it made sense in context) WB accused her of sleeping with her college professors to get better grades

Somewhere in there, the professor asked her if she wanted a ride to class one day because the weather was bad (in Pittsburgh, so that could be anything up to and including actual hellfire and brimstone), and that led to WB saying the above.

I loathed [Reeder].

I'm probably farther left than he is -- it is hard to be to my left politically -- so he wasn't annoying so much as tiresome. Harry Reid sneezed, it meant McConnell had given him itching powder.

Elvis1ives--he stalks people regularly--he stalked Scylla for quite a while and now he's stalking Bricker. ANY time Bricker posts, within 10 posts or so, Elvis will appear and make a quasi-personal comment.

I never really got into it with him on anything, but I recall several people (Dio and Scylla come to mind) just getting tired of it and laying into him, at which point -- of course -- he was simply blameless, and this overreaction on their part was typical childishness.

Diogenes--most prolific troll the SDMB has ever seen. From his "black people have natural jungle rhythm and can dance good" post to his "You've decided that if you and your husband reach an impasse, he'll decide since that's the man's role? You must have been an abused child"

Was that him and jarbabyj talking about jarby and her husband's decision to buy an SUV instead of a truck? I remember a lot of people laying into her because they'd narrowed the search to two vehicles, they really and truly couldn't decide and so she said, "You're the man, you make the call"?

I never got the big deal over that. Someone has to decide. And if both people are going to be happy whatever the decision (and they were), who gives a shit what silly reason was used?

I don't recall Dio's racism, but there was a while there where I was not nearly as active over there as some of y'all were. I just remember he was one of those folks who'd post for the sake of posting, just to have a rebuttal.


OH.

My God.

I can't believe I forgot Monty.

[WednesdayAddams]

I disagree about Dex--he's (IMO) great except for board policy. I also can't believe you forgot Lynn. MUCH worse than Dex (who, IMO, only got bad when ATMB became the new pit) and Jenny who's heart is 100% in the right place. Lynn makes up rules on the spur of the moment and applies them retroactively, she ruined the pit and she's mean.
I think he's including Dex because of the whole nasty ep with Cristi and the underhanded way he Goaded Euty into exploding so he could get him de-frocked as mod. Asshole move, and combined with the tragic way Cristi died not long after, a lot of posters who were around then still haven't forgiven him.

Elvis1ives--he stalks people regularly--he stalked Scylla for quite a while and now he's stalking Bricker. ANY time Bricker posts, within 10 posts or so, Elvis will appear and make a quasi-personal comment.

I really need to check this out, because you're not the first person who's said it but I haven't seen it.

Der Trihs-when he's not threadshitting, he's ok, but he threadshits constantly. It's impossible to have a civil discussion between right and left posters because of his bomb-throwing.
People like Der Trihs make it difficult to convince anyone that atheists aren't all frothing assholes.

Who's the guy who swears out of body experiences are real based on a dream he had about it?

[iampunha]

On the "accent" thing--there was another poster--maybe Chas.E

You don't even need to say anything else.

He's the one Monster104 (or Spoofe) finally pitted because Chas -- or it was Monty? (so many assholes, so little time) -- was doing the "You're only 17, you don't know shit" routine too much.

Monster104 was in the betatesting group for Windows 2000 or something similarly popular. He'd found errors. He'd reported them to Microsoft. This is what happens in betatesting.

But because Monster104 was 17, he couldn't possibly be doing that. He had to be lying.

So there was a Pit thread with one of the longest, most heavily sourced OPs I've ever seen, with various people coming in to say that based on the evidence, it looked like Chas.E (or Monty) was being kind of a dick.

The guy comes in at one point and says, closing out his "I know you are, but what am I?" rebuttal, "No apology is warranted, and none will be forthcoming."

Who's the guy who swears out of body experiences are real based on a dream he had about it?

And of course this just reminds me of the GD thread about astral projection.

[Dangermouse]

Who's the guy who swears out of body experiences are real based on a dream he had about it?
lekatt?

Man, I know I haven't been a prolific poster at the Dope, but this thread makes me wonder how much attention I have paid to that place when I was there. Granted, a lot of this stuff happened before my time, and I never really ventured in GD or GQ.

No wonder I found it easy to leave it behind.

[WednesdayAddams]

Yes, lekatt. not_alice has a strong flavor of lekatt as a matter of fact.

'punha, this is one of the threads (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193951). It got uglier. Heh. And our very own Xploder got hisself banned over it, per Ed's thread here (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=195801), and reinstated later.

[Fenris]

Should I keep going with this, or have we effectively scarred half the crowd already?
Or the "I'm straight--but here's all these pictures of "cute unmutilated twinkee bois" (his spelling)

You sure? I could swear it was december, but the only difference between them was politics.
100%. The other difference was that December usually only created one thread a day, while Reeder created 100. IIRC the one that lead to the "one thread on the front page of the pit" rule was when he said something like "Bush has to be an abusive father because here's a pic of one of his daughters sticking her tongue out at a papparazi."


Satan also absolutely tried to -- his account, so it's understandably slanted -- contact admins and mods some months after he was banned, begging to be let back in. He had to get Drain Bead to collect the e-mail addresses.
And he got Joe Cool and Ace of Spades (aka-The Acehole) to shill for him.

Forgetting Leave us abuse the French (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-34776.html)? He didn't start it, but he was far from Mr. Rational in it.

Then there was the time he talked about purposefully hurting his daughter. (Very hot asphalt, and she "needed to learn" about what happens when you step on hot asphalt, or something. He noted feeling really bad about doing it. How nice.)
Huh--heh-yeah, actually I never saw the second one and did forget about the first one.

Three words: Persephone, garbage angels. The thread must have been disappeared, but that was A) knowingly and deliberately lying about a board member and B) about the worst-executed apology I've ever seen.
Ok--keep in mind I know NONE of the players in the issue personally--but from what Persephone first posted (and not being friends with Euty, let alone knowing that Euty was dating Persephone), I was on Dex's side of the fence. Once Persephone explained her original post, I changed my opinion, but from her OP, my reaction was the same as Dex's.

I'm glad she seemed sincere to you. She seemed to me like someone who was given a set of beliefs and never challenged them, so they were ingrained once she realized they didn't always work out the best for her. She seemed vapid and mentally weak.
Fully agree-but I still felt bad for her.

Frankly, I found her FAR less annoying than the simliar Vanilla (who should be on that list!). Vanilla had every trait His4Ever had, but was viper-mean with an icky-sweet cotton-candy facade over it.

Are you sure you're not recreating the entire posting history of Duck Duck Goose? ;)
Thing was, DDG had Google-fu. Remember, back then, Google's search engine wasn't as robust. From my Unaboard time, I remember asking her if she could find some links that I for the life of me couldn't dig up--and she found good, solid, meaningful sources each time. Handy just gave the first one on the top of the list. DDG at least checked to see that her links were relevant.

Was that him and jarbabyj talking about jarby and her husband's decision to buy an SUV instead of a truck? I remember a lot of people laying into her because they'd narrowed the search to two vehicles, they really and truly couldn't decide and so she said, "You're the man, you make the call"?

I never got the big deal over that. Someone has to decide. And if both people are going to be happy whatever the decision (and they were), who gives a shit what silly reason was used?
Yup. But he did it with a woman in a dom/sub relationship (the woman was sub) too.

I don't recall Dio's racism, but there was a while there where I was not nearly as active over there as some of y'all were. I just remember he was one of those folks who'd post for the sake of posting, just to have a rebuttal.
To be fair, except for that bit and a few "black jazz is always better than white jazz" type comments, I don't think he's racist. I think he just likes fighting so he says stuff that'll piss people off and then will fight about it until A) they get bored or B) until the fight gets hot enough that the mods might notice and then sorta-kinda-vaguely says "Well, I might have overstated a tiny bit, but my point still stands"

OH.

My God.

I can't believe I forgot Monty.

Me either. I bet that if you could do a word count per poster, Monty would have the single largest number of the word "LIAR!" or "LIE". ANY disagreement with him--any dispute--any quibble with anything he said or believed would make you a "LIAR!!!!" What an abrasive poster.

And weirdly (given that one of his pet issues was that he was Mormon) he and Vanilla (who hated Mormons and was a huge fucking anti-Mormon bigot--largely because she hated Snarkhunter for dumping her and he was a Mormon) were just bestest buddies. It's like they used each other to say "See? I like him/her: I'm not obsessed!"

[Xploder]

Three words: Persephone, garbage angels. The thread must have been disappeared, but that was A) knowingly and deliberately lying about a board member and B) about the worst-executed apology I've ever seen.

What he said in that thread was more true than a lot of people know. I should know since it was my daughter who was babysitting and called CPS.

And yes, those kids very well COULD have made garbage angels on the living room floor what with all the spilled food, empty cans and empty fast food containers.

That's all I have to say about it.

[Fenris]

You don't even need to say anything else.

He's the one Monster104 (or Spoofe) finally pitted because Chas -- or it was Monty? (so many assholes, so little time) -- was doing the "You're only 17, you don't know shit" routine too much.

Monster104--and it got to the point where some mod/admin apparently told both of them to knock it off and don't talk to each other even if they were in the same thread. Chas ended up poking Monster and then when Monster responded would say stuff like "The mods said you can't talk to me. I'm TELLING!"

Chas.E was also one of two or three Macintards who were running around at the time. Not people who like and enjoy Apple products, but (along with RJung--who was a proto-Elucidator) who would threadshit in ANY computer thread about how Macs could do (whatever) it better. IIRC, Manny got sick of it and slapped one of them for threadshitting (?maybe...was it Manny?)

He's also the one who had the sooper-sekrit info that Transformers were created by hippies he personally knew but couldn't divulge their identity because evil anime-fans would KILL THEM!!! (He pissed someone at an anime board off so much that the anime guy stalked him to the SDMB and unleashed a half dozen scathing personal posts).

Heh--oh hell--I do remember the astral projection thread. If it's the same one, I remember asking the guy to identify a book I'd left on my desk. It had a pretty distinctive cover.

[Fenris]

People like Der Trihs make it difficult to convince anyone that atheists aren't all frothing assholes.
Nah--IMO Der Trihs only convinces me that he's got some sort of hold (dirty pictures or something? ;) ) so that they allow him to threadshit any-time, any where. I've never seen another poster get away with such seriously asshole behavior as him.

There was a really recent thread that was (totally wrong title, but same gist) "Liberals and conservatives: is there any common ground?" and within the first 10 posts he said all conservatives are evil--deliberately evil--and stupid.

That's honestly a great idea for a thread (which I may start at some point). Frankly, I think most of us here are willing to acknowledge that most other people here at least mean well--they may be wrong but they're not stupid or evil. Anyway, there was the potential for a decent thread that DT ruined. And it's typical.

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

AND THEN THIS ONE TIME, THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF IT WAS FUNNY, NOT EVEN ONCE

[mlerose]

AND THEN THIS ONE TIME, THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF IT WAS FUNNY, NOT EVEN ONCE

QFT. I love a rehash of old shit as much as the next guy, but haven't we already had several of those threads? Yeesh.

[MissJeanLouise]

What he said in that thread was more true than a lot of people know. I should know since it was my daughter who was babysitting and called CPS.

And yes, those kids very well COULD have made garbage angels on the living room floor what with all the spilled food, empty cans and empty fast food containers.

That's all I have to say about it.

That was all mostly before my time, so I just went back and read the threads Wenz linked to. I gotta say, having worked with CPS here (not for them, but in terms of seeing clients who had CPS caseworkers and having contact), I know it takes a LOT for kids to get removed from a house, much of the time. I really didn't have an issue with Dex's post.

Reading some of those links brought IDigBadBoys/80'sHairMetalMaven back. Special.

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

DT ruined. And it's typical.
basically the best example of how not to apply the don't be a jerk rule. he wouldn't make it a day on any board that knows how to run things but on SDMB "don't be a jerk" translates into "we protect kiddie fuckers and mental defectives from the harsher realities of human social interaction"

[iampunha]

And he got Joe Cool and Ace of Spades (aka-The Acehole) to shill for him.

How ...

that ...

I'm trying to imagine a scenario when having those two shilling for you is a good thing.

Frankly, I found her FAR less annoying than the simliar Vanilla (who should be on that list!). Vanilla had every trait His4Ever had, but was viper-mean with an icky-sweet cotton-candy facade over it.

Og bless, vanilla. She was H4E+helpless. She and her son slept in the same bed. The kid was 8. The kid's dad had AIDS, and vanilla had taken it as some sort of sign of God's existence that she hadn't contracted HIV any of the eight times (she knew it was a specific number) they'd had sex.

Thing was, DDG had Google-fu. Remember, back then, Google's search engine wasn't as robust.

I'll take your word for it. I was raised on Google (I remember back when infoseek and altavista were huge), so I've never had much trouble with it.

I think he just likes fighting so he says stuff that'll piss people off and then will fight about it until A) they get bored or B) until the fight gets hot enough that the mods might notice and then sorta-kinda-vaguely says "Well, I might have overstated a tiny bit, but my point still stands"

And that made the Dio-Shodan fights ever so much fun in the sense that if you had no dog in the fight, but you wanted to watch people go from posting long and contempt-filled paragraphs at each other to dissecting each sentence until it got to single-word quotations with sentence responses that would take easily an hour to read ...

Me either. I bet that if you could do a word count per poster, Monty would have the single largest number of the word "LIAR!" or "LIE". ANY disagreement with him--any dispute--any quibble with anything he said or believed would make you a "LIAR!!!!" What an abrasive poster.

And weirdly (given that one of his pet issues was that he was Mormon) he and Vanilla (who hated Mormons and was a huge fucking anti-Mormon bigot--largely because she hated Snarkhunter for dumping her and he was a Mormon) were just bestest buddies. It's like they used each other to say "See? I like him/her: I'm not obsessed!"

Monty and vanilla is a relationship I could have done without remembering. (Monty and anything is a relationship I could have done without, period.)

Monty one time was going happily (for him) along asserting that touching a soldier without permission was a crime of some sort. At the time, Geobabe and UncleBill (Marine) were dating (which was no kept secret on the board), and Monty and various and sundry other folks were having what for Monty was a casual discussion about this, which as you know means these folks were giving Monty examples of how wrong he was, and Monty was saying, "Liar. You're not allowed to touch a member of the Armed Services. It's a federal offense."

Geobabe came along and said something to the effect of, "If touching a Marine is against the law, I am in so, so much trouble."

Monty kind of shut his hole after that.

On that, at least.

For a week, minimum.

[Jaglavak]

:: snif, dab ::

Good times, good times.



PS - Who was the sick chick who was saving pennies to get her hands surgically replaced with hooks so her boyfriend could tie her up better? She already had a make and model picked out.

[mswas]

Anyone who thinks signing one's posts with 'regards' is something to be ashamed of.

What a stupid thing to get worked up about.

[Taur]

What a stupid thing to get worked up about.
No. The stupid thing was for Shodan to admit he sometimes means "Fuck you" instead of "regards".

[NineToTheSky]

No. The stupid thing was for Shodan to admit he sometimes means "Fuck you" instead of "regards".

I don't think he means that at all. I think he started doing it just because he wanted to. Then there was all that kerfuffle with sign offs, and he sure as hell didn't want to be associated with the 'Valete' Vox boy, so saying it means fuck off sounds so much cooler.

[HongKongFooey]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:

[The Futility of Nihilism]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:
Yeah, sorry, Skald barely shows up on my tardometer. Then again, I don't know if I've read all that much of his stuff, so take that with a grain of salt.

[HongKongFooey]

We all get along so well lately it just feels good to tell everyone they suck once in a while.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

We all get along so well lately it just feels good to tell everyone they suck once in a while.
Well, uh ... no u!

[Guinastasia]

I associate that name with Left Hand of Dorkness, for reasons which escape me. I don't know if I am doing LHoD any favours with that.

LHOD's name is Daniel, so that's probably it.


No, my professor would give me a ride sometimes to the next class -- he was teaching -- because it was on the other side of campus, across a major road. (Babcock Blvd for those in the Pittsburgh area). Traffic was horrible, and many of the drivers were like Wildest Bill.


Starving Artist. All of his "things were better back in the fifties, and then the hippies started fucking in the mud" blah blah blah. And I am one of those who asks for cites -- and his whole schtick is well, "I don't have any proof, it's just how I see it." Gah!

Bosda's cartoon porn fetish. That's...creepy.

Stoid -- no explanation needed.

Crafter Man -- "libraries are socialist!" That and his bragging about killing his neighbors' cats.

Curtis is annoying, yes, but I keep reminding myself he's just a kid.


:: snif, dab ::

Good times, good times.



PS - Who was the sick chick who was saving pennies to get her hands surgically replaced with hooks so her boyfriend could tie her up better? She already had a make and model picked out.

I don't think that was on the SDMB. Are you sure you're not thinking of that weird troll site about DORRANCE STAINLESS STEEL TWIN POWERED HOOKS!!!! or whatever?

[HongKongFooey]

Curtis is annoying, yes, but I keep reminding myself he's just claiming to be a kid.
FTFY

[Steerpike]

You know those Dope threads about the best threads evah, and it's really depressing because they're all about something funny somebody wrote ten years ago? Well, this thread is even sadder, because it's about dramas that happened on another board ten years ago. I'm all for a good poke at the Dope, but at least keep it current, willya?

[hajario]

What he said in that thread was more true than a lot of people know. I should know since it was my daughter who was babysitting and called CPS.

And yes, those kids very well COULD have made garbage angels on the living room floor what with all the spilled food, empty cans and empty fast food containers.

That's all I have to say about it.

I didn't think that Dex was all that out of line either when I originally read that thread. I was stunned when I read Persephone's original thread before Dex started his Pit thread. The fact is, she left town for a vacation and left her kids in a house that was a sty. The woman died way too soon and was by all accounts a sweetheart but she did screw up and deserved to be taken to task for it.

[Fenris]

Ah--but those who forget old drama are doomed to repeat it...

...right?

:sciencefail: I'm not buyin' it either. :(

[Jeff]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:

I noticed him when he started posting at domebo. Generally nice, but he seems to totally inhabit his own personal fantasy world and just never stops talking about it.

[mswas]

No. The stupid thing was for Shodan to admit he sometimes means "Fuck you" instead of "regards".

Not really. I see it as being his version of 'Bless your heart'.

[eleanorigby]

I'm going to hell for this but I became really annoyed with Tokyo Player. I went from feeling bad for him to wishing he'd just shut up. It didn't help that I never saw him post in anyone else's threads about the troubles they were having with pregnancies, or losing children. Maybe if his posts weren't so glurgey, it wouldn't have been so annoying.

I like him, but he does sound like a Precious Moment figurine come to life.

And Opal Cat. I haven't checked back, but last time I looked, she had posted three threads with wedding videos (what? a year after the wedding? nobody cares) and there wasn't a single response. I wonder if she ever figured out how to wear that engagement ring. Maybe on a chain with a buckeye?

This chick gets on my last nerve. Could anyone have a higher opinion of herself? She's a real piece of work.

I don't get too worked up about any poster on any board--if they're complete dicks, there may be some entertainment value to be had. Rarely do I let them get under my skin, but there have been a few. Liberal, for obvious reasons. OpalCat for another. Mr Moto (I think--I remember it started with M) when I was new to the Dope was incredibly dickish to me. Essentially he said that being the dad of premie twins made him an expert on modern healthcare and nursing or some such. Mr Moron. Shodan is irksome because he's so passive-aggressive.

I can't think of any more, but I'm sure they're out there.

[mswas]

You know those Dope threads about the best threads evah, and it's really depressing because they're all about something funny somebody wrote ten years ago? Well, this thread is even sadder, because it's about dramas that happened on another board ten years ago. I'm all for a good poke at the Dope, but at least keep it current, willya?

Haha totally, QFT.

They should talk about my recent unrighteous banning so that I have the opportunity to talk about myself some more.

[SmartAleq]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:

He mostly strikes me as precious studying to be twee so it's mostly just :rolleyes: to me. Bless his heart.

[Uthrecht]

They should talk about my recent unrighteous banning so that I have the opportunity to talk about myself some more.

Yeah, but that's still dragging stuff over from another board.

You should have a complete flame out and get yourself Boxed. Then you can talk about yourself, and have it be relevant. It's win-win!

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald?
no no you're not

I mostly just hate his name, said hatred being only compounded by his earlier name being something monumentally eye-burningly unironically gay like "ronincyberpunk" or something equally awful

[Muskrat Love]

Shit. I almost forgot the other dude that annoys the fuck out of me. I may be alone on this one since I never see his name brought up but Skald the Rhymer drives me up a tree. I don't believe any of his stupid stories, I don't care about his comic book fantasies and I wish he would stop asking how people would respond to every idiotic, hare-braned, barely plausible scenario that passes through his brain. I think his wife was made up and he's an isolated Internet tard. There.

His wife was definitely made up, he couldn't even be consistent in his stories about her. I don't even think he's really black.

[IronHorse]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:

I just don't see how he fits in the group with everyone else. Everyone else mentioned seems like they are actively being a jerk. Skald is at worst only annoying.

Plus, there are times when I enjoy getting that involved in fantasy for a bit.

[Beadalin]

Anywhistle...

[HongKongFooey]

Skald is at worst only annoying.
Am I in the wrong thread or are you? :p

[Lord Blackmore]

You know those Dope threads about the best threads evah, and it's really depressing because they're all about something funny somebody wrote ten years ago? Well, this thread is even sadder, because it's about dramas that happened on another board ten years ago. I'm all for a good poke at the Dope, but at least keep it current, willya?

Some of us haven't been around for that long, so the old stuff is good for perspective and mostly entertainment.

[Inner Stickler]

no no you're not

I mostly just hate his name, said hatred being only compounded by his earlier name being something monumentally eye-burningly unironically gay like "ronincyberpunk" or something equally awfulSkald's original name was Fabulous Creature. ronincyberpunk became Improv Geek, I think. I've noticed a few years ago, there was a shift away from alllowercasenospaceusernamespickedbackinthedaywhen websitescouldn'thandlespacebars to Usernames That Are Phrases and Almost Every Word Is Capitalized.

[Steerpike]

Some of us haven't been around for that long, so the old stuff is good for perspective and mostly entertainment.

[Derek Smalls] Too much fuckin' perspective. [/DS]

[Erasmus Darwin]

So I'm the only one who can't stand Skald? You all suck. :mad:

Eh, I can see it. I find half his posts annoying as shit (especially the "when I'm supreme dictator for life" off-topic crap and the threads that could be straight out of a book on "wacky" ice-breakers for parties), but otherwise, he doesn't really bother me.

His wife was definitely made up, he couldn't even be consistent in his stories about her.

She registered an account and even made a few quasi-literate posts. Now it's always possible that was a sock, but that seems a little far to go.

On the other hand, having her account be an over-the-top sock/troll would explain a lot. She came across as really fucking dumb, and that could have been him overcompensating when trying to hide his own style of writing. Even so, I just don't see a motive there unless it was a sock/troll that he lost interest in before he could actually do something with it.

[Guinastasia]

I noticed him when he started posting at domebo. Generally nice, but he seems to totally inhabit his own personal fantasy world and just never stops talking about it.

You mean all the fundie family stuff, and how his wife left him?



I'm just glad Bosda cut the multi-colored, different font and sized sigs. Did the mods finally make him stop?

[Muskrat Love]

Eh, I can see it. I find half his posts annoying as shit (especially the "when I'm supreme dictator for life" off-topic crap and the threads that could be straight out of a book on "wacky" ice-breakers for parties), but otherwise, he doesn't really bother me.



She registered an account and even made a few quasi-literate posts. Now it's always possible that was a sock, but that seems a little far to go.

On the other hand, having her account be an over-the-top sock/troll would explain a lot. She came across as really fucking dumb, and that could have been him overcompensating when trying to hide his own style of writing. Even so, I just don't see a motive there unless it was a sock/troll that he lost interest in before he could actually do something with it.

Someone on one of the snark boards posted a link to an old post where Skald was posting in the character of somebody dumb or young, or maybe both, and it was exactly the same as the Kim posts. She was definitely a sock. It's one of the easiest ways to make your sock posts seem less like your own - playing dumb is easy.

[iampunha]

Bosda

Oh, God. No. Not him. I'd rather Wildest Bill (or his sock, Mildest Bill) than Bosda. At least with WB, you could poke him and he was fun occasionally.

Bosda was either boring or an ass.

[Erasmus Darwin]

Someone on one of the snark boards posted a link to an old post where Skald was posting in the character of somebody dumb or young, or maybe both, and it was exactly the same as the Kim posts. She was definitely a sock.

That's just weird. I have a hard time understanding why someone would make all that up. I do understand the general appeal of people making up fake stories and drama for attention, but Skald's posts seem a bit pedestrian by that standard. I would think fake stuff would tend to either be more exciting (amazing job, wild life, etc.) or more dramatic (brush with a fatal illness, bitter divorce involving his wife making up wild accusations, etc.).

[Fenris]

I'm just glad Bosda cut the multi-colored, different font and sized sigs. Did the mods finally make him stop?


I...think...so. I vaguely recall they did.

[MissJeanLouise]

That's just weird. I have a hard time understanding why someone would make all that up. I do understand the general appeal of people making up fake stories and drama for attention, but Skald's posts seem a bit pedestrian by that standard. I would think fake stuff would tend to either be more exciting (amazing job, wild life, etc.) or more dramatic (brush with a fatal illness, bitter divorce involving his wife making up wild accusations, etc.).

His Kim stories did tend to get dramatic, though. She was sexually harassed at work. She was depressed. She had religious family members trying to get her back into the fold. Etc, etc. Even the way they allegedly met: he wanted to ask out another woman and she---the smartest, coolest, most ballsy barista around---managed to turn his head despite an age difference. Each of these threads generated far more discussion than "Good luck, man" or "Cool", and would therefore serve any attention-whoring needs.

[gommsn]

Shit. I almost forgot the other dude that annoys the fuck out of me. I may be alone on this one since I never see his name brought up but Skald the Rhymer drives me up a tree. I don't believe any of his stupid stories, I don't care about his comic book fantasies and I wish he would stop asking how people would respond to every idiotic, hare-braned, barely plausible scenario that passes through his brain. I think his wife was made up and he's an isolated Internet tard. There.

THIS! THIS! THIS! I don't think you're alone. Fenny may think Dio is the biggest troll over there but he doesn't irritate me near as much as this asshole does. I've never used the ignore feature but I scroll past all of his posts and never open one of his horseshit, tard-filled threads. I can't understand why no one has ever called him on his bullshit.

[Dangermouse]

LHOD's name is Daniel, so that's probably it.

Yeah, it is. I used to mix them up because of LHoD's habit to sign his posts with his real name.

[teela brown]

At first, I liked Scylla's posts because he's a good writer and capable of telling a good story.

But slowly his strangeness regarding his relationships with wife and daughters started to skeeve me out. One thread in particular, and I'm probably imperfectly remembering this, was the straw that broke the camel's back.

There was some situation in which he was driving his wife and daughter(s) and a family friend in his car. He explicitly told the friend that in the case of an accident, it was the friend's very first responsibility to save Scylla's wife and daughter. The friend protested and Scylla posted this story as proof of what a tool the friend was.

This and lots of stories about the gorgeouosity of his young daughter and how pervs must be after her started pinging my ick radar. So now I skip any threads he starts.

Just my personal taste.

[Erasmus Darwin]

His Kim stories did tend to get dramatic, though.

Huh. I guess I missed the more over-the-top ones, or I'm just a bit too credulous sometimes.

That's kind of a shame, as his threads about his personal life struck me as the good parts of his posting. They had decent writing without the gimmicky "trying too hard" quality that his other posts had.

[Guinastasia]

I used to like stories about Scylla's daughter when she was little -- what happened? Is she getting older and he's getting too overprotective?

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

There was some situation in which he was driving his wife and daughter(s) and a family friend in his car. He explicitly told the friend that in the case of an accident, it was the friend's very first responsibility to save Scylla's wife and daughter.
that doesn't skeeve me out as much as it would just be a fucking wierd conversation to have with a friend

i mean its pretty obvious you save the kids first, is there anyone not on the page with that? if someone pulled me aside to say that i'd be like get in the car and drive you crazy fuck

[Apex Rogers]

Nobody's brought up DSYoungEsq yet? Once I started reading the OP I was sure I would see his name mentioned, but it appears he's somehow flown under the radar.

He used to be the king of Junior Modding in ATMB, going as far as to dole out advice using "we" and "our" to refer to the board rules and policies, basically trying his damndest to appear like he is a moderator without actually saying so.

Stuff like
As pointed out in our rules, we prefer posters to report the offending post rather than respond to it directly. If you do not stop this behavior, one of our moderators will have to take action.


The best is when he accuses other posters of Junior Modding and scolds them like a child for doing the same thing he does all the damn time. I've seen multiple times where newbie posters actually apologized to him for breaking board rules, convinced by his Tuba impression. He's been slapped around recently by staff though, apparently even they grew tired of his pseudo-modding.

In addition to sucking off the Admin staff in ATMB, he parades around GQ answering quasi-legal questions with some convincing-sounding legal jargon, obviously wanting people to infer that he is a lawyer. I mean, he has the damn Esq in his name. But guess what? He's a high school math teacher.

I think he's just feeling inadequate that his loser high school slackers are bombing the standardized tests, so he escapes to the fantasy of the dope, where he can pretend he is anyone and anything!

[Pamplemousse!]

that doesn't skeeve me out as much as it would just be a fucking wierd conversation to have with a friend

i mean its pretty obvious you save the kids first, is there anyone not on the page with that? if someone pulled me aside to say that i'd be like get in the car and drive you crazy fuckI'd save myself first, then once I was out of the car I'd start with my friends, so no.... not necessarily a given that I'd go for the kids first. I mean, really, what use are kids in an emergency? At least if you get an adult out you've now got two productive people working to free the others.

But it's still a fucking weird conversation to have just while driving along. I'd be totally wigged out by anyone who started making plans based around the expectation that the trip would inevitably end in fiery death.

[Trepa Mayfield]

Ivn should come over here. Two birds, one stone.

[Muskrat Love]

My favorite psychotic Scylla moment was when some of his wife's family was taking his kids somewhere. He told them to make sure the kids are safely restrained in their child seats, and they said they would, but he had this suspicion that they were not going to, and he posted this elaborate fantasy about how he would torture them to death if there was an accident and the kids were harmed because they weren't strapped in. I just felt sorry for his wife and her family, she'd married this crazy guy who was fantasizing about killing her family in grisly methods for something they didn't even do, just something he imagined they might do.

Then there was the time he threatened some 8 year old who had smacked his daughter on the bottom. That time, even the SDMB sheep told him his reaction seemed over the top, and he made the excuse that he had looked into the eyes of the child and could see that he was already a sexual predator.

Oh yeah, and then there was the time he was sure that the Mexicans doing yard work in his neighborhood were having lustful thoughts about his 8 year old daughter playing in the sprinkler in the front yard.

I hate to say this about anyone because the accusations get thrown around way too much and are far too serious, but I got seriously creepy repressed pedo vibes from him.

[wring]

as a tangent to the accusation thought - IIRC, a poster, maybe it was Shodan? got really pissed off at me - he (whoever he was) was saying that he often drove his daughters friends home or wherever alone, and I suggested it wasn't a good idea - that several adult male friends of mine made it a rule to always have a chaperone in those circumstances (one's a coach of a female team, the other is a photographer for events/teams). He went ballistic, that I would presume that he might have some tendancies or that his childs friends might lie.

I stand by my advice.

[Muskrat Love]

as a tangent to the accusation thought - IIRC, a poster, maybe it was Shodan? got really pissed off at me - he (whoever he was) was saying that he often drove his daughters friends home or wherever alone, and I suggested it wasn't a good idea - that several adult male friends of mine made it a rule to always have a chaperone in those circumstances (one's a coach of a female team, the other is a photographer for events/teams). He went ballistic, that I would presume that he might have some tendancies or that his childs friends might lie.

I stand by my advice.

Whenever my daughter's friends come over to play, I don't allow them in the house if mom's not home. Very good advice.

[Muffin]

Actually-his banning was one of those bullshit "We're looking for an excuse" things. I'm NOT saying he didn't deserve to be banned: he did. But the final straw was something like him saying "Quit weaseling" to someone in GD and they banned him for calling her a weasel. Also, allegedly he stalked people off-board (e-mail harassment type stalking). He also started the Left Behind war.The thread that led to Satan being banned. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=61912&perpage=50&pagenumber=1)

[Dudley]

Annoying?! I gotta say the two that annoy me are Oakminster and aldiboronti. Whenever someone has even a slight complaint in ATMB, they're right there defending the mods and/or the rule. They're pathetic junior mods and are never called on it.

I guess that's really it for me.

[wring]

LOts o' guests in that thread Muffin

[Charles D. Allen]

Whenever my daughter's friends come over to play, I don't allow them in the house if mom's not home.Odd. I would've thought the deciding factor was whether or not your daughter was at home.


Sorry. ;)

[Boo]

Nobody's brought up DSYoungEsq yet? Once I started reading the OP I was sure I would see his name mentioned, but it appears he's somehow flown under the radar.

He used to be the king of Junior Modding in ATMB, going as far as to dole out advice using "we" and "our" to refer to the board rules and policies, basically trying his damndest to appear like he is a moderator without actually saying so.



You are correct. DSYoungEsq should have definitely been a part of the OP's list of Junior Mods, a most annoying breed. I am even more fascinated to learn that he isn't an attorney but a high school math teacher. Is there any reason he puts the Esq as part of his user name (other than making people like me assume he's an attorney)?

That is very strange.

Dr. Boo :spooky: The Fireman, Policeman, Baseball Player

[Lord Blackmore]

Annoying?! I gotta say the two that annoy me are Oakminster and aldiboronti. Whenever someone has even a slight complaint in ATMB, they're right there defending the mods and/or the rule. They're pathetic junior mods and are never called on it.

I guess that's really it for me.

Well, one of the problems is that a lot of people are whiny assholes and take offense at the slightest mod action. It is almost as if the whiny assholes think they run the board.

I really think that a lot of the time people even really have actual beefs with the mods, but just like to give them shit.

That's one of the reasons I tend to defend the mods on minor stuff.

I'm still surprised, btw, that durp is run like it is. Most boards, it would really be tough shit if you didn't like what the mods are doing. I'm surprised they put up with as much as they do without cleaning house.

I wouldn't be able to take it without basically telling someone to just fuck off and find another board to post on.

[Muskrat Love]

Annoying?! I gotta say the two that annoy me are Oakminster and aldiboronti. Whenever someone has even a slight complaint in ATMB, they're right there defending the mods and/or the rule. They're pathetic junior mods and are never called on it.

I guess that's really it for me.

When Oakminster first came to SDMB, he used to post that he was a moderator on some major gaming forum every chance he got. I haven't read SDMB in a while so I don't know if he's toned it down, but it's pretty obvious he's shooting for a mod position there. He probably got his mod position elsewhere using the same tactics.

[Xploder]

When Oakminster first came to SDMB, he used to post that he was a moderator on some major gaming forum every chance he got. I haven't read SDMB in a while so I don't know if he's toned it down, but it's pretty obvious he's shooting for a mod position there. He probably got his mod position elsewhere using the same tactics.

Moron.

[Illuminati Primus]

I wouldn't be able to take it without basically telling someone to just fuck off and find another board to post on.And thus the Giraffe boards were born.

[iampunha]

I'm still surprised, btw, that durp is run like it is. Most boards, it would really be tough shit if you didn't like what the mods are doing. I'm surprised they put up with as much as they do without cleaning house.

Two things, I think, have stood in the way of that:

1) A lot of people who were part of the SDMB when it was young were holdovers from the board's AOL days. These include, for example, Jenny and Dex (whose username was 10 characters initially because that's how many an AOL screen name allowed). They knew the small crew of people they had, so the board had a smaller, more friendly environment.

Well, that environment grew -- slowly but surely -- when the board moved to its current location. But you still had that friendly atmosphere, so a lot of the mods and admins were already friends with members and thus probably more hard-pressed to be so stringent. Plus, there was the feeling that we (I joined in June 2000) wanted a friendly crowd so we'd encourage greater membership. Were there times when things weren't friendly? Absolutely. However, the general tendency for people to just want to have fun tended to outweigh individuals' desires to be pains.

2) When you introduce a pay-to-post element, you start to theoretically introduce people to the idea that they're paying for a product and they want their money's worth. People don't generally want to pay for inflexible, hardline moderation, so when that happened, they revolted against it. (Also, in my experience being a moderator -- not on the SDMB, mind -- being a hardass is less work but also less inviting to the new crowd.) And given that the pressure has been on for some time to keep active membership high, I'd think the emphasis would still be on keeping people around.

Granted, this has had its drawbacks, such as the server's tendency to implode and folks like Cesario to be allowed to do anything. And there are absolutely mods who could be much nicer and still be giant pains.

[iampunha]

I haven't read SDMB in a while so I don't know if [Oakminster]'s toned it down, but it's pretty obvious he's shooting for a mod position there.

It would be the height of plausible hilarity if Oakminster made mod.

[Fenris]

Along with the other Junior Mods mentioned, leave us not forget IVN1188, the queen of the Pit. Only she(?) knows what's appropriate and what's not. And heaven forfend the possiblity of a funny rant.

And Oakminister doesn't bother me all that much any more..but when he swiped that "rating pit threads" thing from a series of posts I'd done about 5 years earlier (I did it for like 8 threads--and always tried to make it funny--the ratings weren't serious) and KEPT DOING THEM...sheesh. It put him in the same category as DaLovinDJ of twits who thought they were good enough to rate other people's contributions as THEIR contribution. (Plus, hasn't Oakminsister stomped off the SDMB/Dumbo in a huff like 3 times, swearing never to return?)

[Veb]

I'm still surprised, btw, that durp is run like it is. Most boards, it would really be tough shit if you didn't like what the mods are doing. I'm surprised they put up with as much as they do without cleaning house.

I wouldn't be able to take it without basically telling someone to just fuck off and find another board to post on.
Board history...and pay-to-post. For a long time TPTB really did keep things looser and listened to posters. They didn't bow to every passing breeze but if/when posters made a solid, reasonable case for something, they paid attention. IMO one of the biggest mistakes they made was to impose new rules when specific problems cropped up. Let's face it, the potential for new and creative ways to create havoc is nearly infinite. You can look back and track the board's development--or decline--by individual annoyances: socks, signatures, what constitutes 'insults' fer cryin' out loud, yadda yadda yadda.

Then pay-to-post nailed down the coffin lid, IMO. As soon as they charged to post, expectations changed. When people plunk down cold, hard cash they (not unreasonably) expect their feedback to be heard. Unfortunately that included some self-righteous whiners.

Anyway, that's my perspective on it. Could be wrong; have been plenty of times before and will be again.

[hajario]

Oakie quit the Dope in a huff and vowed never to return when he was Pitted for his retarded Pit rant rating shtick ("-1 for not saying fuckwit" :rolleyes:) and pretty much everyone agreed with the Pitter. It was a classic case of a n00b trying way too hard to fit in by attempting to get one of his catch phrases to be used.

Then he came back to the Dope with little fanfare but quit again when the splinter boards started. He was one of Ed's biggest critics. He tried way to hard to be a big cheese at dumbo and that didn't work out too well for him either. Someone started a Pit thread at the Dope about a dumbo regular, having nothing to do with dumbo, and then the guy who started the Pit thread was told by Oakie that he wasn't welcome at dumbo for "Pitting one of us." Then he got in a scrap with Q.E.D. and he crawled back to the Dope again where he is now the great Mode Defender.

So yeah, three times quitting and vowing never to return. I suppose that since he never went back to dumbo that one of them stuck.

[iampunha]

Anyway, that's my perspective on it. Could be wrong; have been plenty of times before and will be again.

I think you just paraphrased the most astute post on SDMB behavior history and reasoning ever ;)

[iampunha]

Then he got in a scrap with Q.E.D. [at DoMeBo] ...

So did everyone else.

[Jeff]

(Plus, hasn't Oakminsister stomped off the SDMB/Dumbo in a huff like 3 times, swearing never to return?)

He came across as a very self-important twit in the few encounters I had with him. He flounced out of domebo over an April Fool's joke (a dumb prank that fell on its face due to the idiotic decision to make Liberal a participant, but a prank nonetheless).

[Muskrat Love]

He came across as a very self-important twit in the few encounters I had with him. He flounced out of domebo over an April Fool's joke (a dumb prank that fell on its face due to the idiotic decision to make Liberal a participant, but a prank nonetheless).

More detail, please, this sounds interesting.

[iampunha]

More detail, please, this sounds interesting.

Basically:

Lib had been talking to people in a reasonable and healing way about some of the things that made him an easy target -- he always responded to people, he didn't always get jokes, that sort of thing -- and he seemed to actually be learning how to grow a thicker skin on a message board.

Lib and the mods promptly got into a huge fight, with various other posters involved.

One of them -- I think it was Lib, but I could be wrong -- then revealed the whole thing was a big joke.

Some of us thought it was funny, some didn't care and some were really pissed off.

Then QED posted saying "Hey, anyone who thinks Oaky is not serious, he sounds serious in his PM to me, and he's surfing DoMeBo as a hidden user," and we all got in a big (but smaller) fight over the notion of revealing private information like that. And already-frayed nerves didn't appreciate that much either.

[Jeff]

I can't remember what I ate for breakfast today, let alone specific details of things from last April. :P

As part of an early April Fool's joke some moderator staged a flamefest. Since this included Liberal the fake-flamefest became an actual flamefest with people like Leander participating for real and most of the rest of the board shaking their head and wishing they were far far away from the bullshit. At some point someone guessed at the nature of the prank and posted about it, leading to disappeared threads and more confusion.

I think the prank thread was deleted, I can't seem to find it.

Oakminster thought it was so bad he flounced over it. Most people thought it was just stupid. Liberal thought it went great.

[Veb]

I think you just paraphrased the most astute post on SDMB behavior history and reasoning ever ;)
:smack:

Sigh. Some days my brain just doesn't work fer shit.

[Jeff]

:smack:

Sigh. Some days my brain just doesn't work fer shit.

We call those 'weekdays'.

[Roo]

Then he [Oakminster] got in a scrap with Q.E.D. and he crawled back to the Dope again

He [Oakminster] flounced out of domebo over an April Fool's joke

Then QED posted saying "Hey, anyone who thinks Oaky is not serious, he sounds serious in his PM to me, and he's surfing DoMeBo as a hidden user," and we all got in a big (but smaller) fight over the notion of revealing private information like that.
It's always interesting to hear people's perspectives on the same event. It's like when you watch people testify on TV about a traffic accident. Everyone brings their own slightly different take on things.

Someone started a Pit thread at the Dope about a dumbo regular, having nothing to do with dumbo, and then the guy who started the Pit thread was told by Oakie that he wasn't welcome at dumbo for "Pitting one of us."
I remembered that thread for different reasons, so I looked it up.
Here's his post (http://www.mellophant.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48632&postcount=88) in a thread interestingly entitled "Drama Queens and the inability to let go":
The ban hamster was a joke. As for the other...well, the guy has been trolling Q.E.D. shamelessly at the Dope, he originally posted the OP for this thread at the Dope, and only came here after that thread was locked for attempting to incite a board war. His contributions here have mostly been limited to this thread, where he's made a royal ass of himself. That shit just doesn't fly with me. If he wants to be a member here, fine...but he needs to bring something to the table besides shit-stirring, and that's all he's offered so far. Pit-style rants don't carry much weight unless the ranter has some established history of positive contributions to let people know he's more than just another pissed off fuckwit.

I'd suggest most "new" and/or relatively unknown posters stay out of the pit, or at least try to avoid direct conflict with people at first. Show us some merit...contribute to regular threads on topics of interest, let us get to know you and respect you for awhile.

[Fenris]

Board history...and pay-to-post. For a long time TPTB really did keep things looser and listened to posters. They didn't bow to every passing breeze but if/when posters made a solid, reasonable case for something, they paid attention. IMO one of the biggest mistakes they made was to impose new rules when specific problems cropped up. Let's face it, the potential for new and creative ways to create havoc is nearly infinite. You can look back and track the board's development--or decline--by individual annoyances: socks, signatures, what constitutes 'insults' fer cryin' out loud, yadda yadda yadda.
for which I blame Lynn 100%. Other mods didn't do it much if at all--Lynn would make 'em up as she went--and apply them retroactively. At one point, Esprix was one of the major popular posters on the Dope. Lynn made up her stupid "No funny threads in the Pit" rule--up till then, it was fine to post funny rants--people would post say, "The fucking elevator doesn't work" rants in Iambic Pentameter or "I burned my breakfast" rants as a Jack Chick tract--it was a LOT more funny than it sounds. Lynn, apparently after sitting on a pinecone or something, decided that there would be no more "joke" threads (which mean, in practice, funny threads) and about 3 days after instituting it, Esprix faux-pitted a poster...sorta. The poster brought some anti-gay thing to Esprix's attention and Esprix faux-pitted the poster, but used the anti-gay thing as the theme of the pitting. It was actually pretty clever.

Lynn banned him, then relented and said he could come back if he grovelled then relented again and said he was only suspended so he could think about what he did. Right there? That moment? Was the death of the Pit and the start of the downhill slide--that was the moment when it stopped being posters and mods working together to posters vs mods.

[wring]

It occurs to me that one of the reasons that these threads happen here is that we weren't ever allowed to talk about shared history there if it concerned a banned poster. Nope, can't talk about 'em. THread shut down. and shit, some of it was fucking hilarious.

[Pamplemousse!]

It occurs to me that one of the reasons that these threads happen here is that we weren't ever allowed to talk about shared history there if it concerned a banned poster. Nope, can't talk about 'em. THread shut down. and shit, some of it was fucking hilarious.I like that this board is approximately 10% pure snark. I think it's all the better for it.

[iampunha]

It occurs to me that one of the reasons that these threads happen here is that we weren't ever allowed to talk about shared history there if it concerned a banned poster. Nope, can't talk about 'em. THread shut down. and shit, some of it was fucking hilarious.

This is also one of the reasons sometimes 20 to 25 percent of conversation at dopefests concerned bannings and other moderator action.

[Lord Blackmore]

Along with the other Junior Mods mentioned, leave us not forget IVN1188, the queen of the Pit. Only she(?) knows what's appropriate and what's not. And heaven forfend the possiblity of a funny rant.


Is IVN a he or a she?

My usual term is King Shit Of The Pit.

[Fenris]

Lynn banned him, then relented and said he could come back if he grovelled then relented again and said he was only suspended so he could think about what he did. Right there? That moment? Was the death of the Pit and the start of the downhill slide--that was the moment when it stopped being posters and mods working together to posters vs mods.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=226635

Link.

I swear there was an ATMB thread where Lynn announced the banning and her last comment before locking the thread was a reflection of the flaming she got.

Haven't found that one yet.

[Roo]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=226635

Link.
I found that one. So question. . . do you think that the Pit here should have joke rants in it? What's the difference between a joke rant in the Pit and one in MPSIMS or GBB here?

I also found this thread by Esprix about Tuba wanting to raise the tone of the board (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=128449) that I found interesting. I'm posting Giraffe's comments in it to the moderation thread.

[Fenris]

I found that one. So question. . . do you think that the Pit here should have joke rants in it? What's the difference between a joke rant in the Pit and one in MPSIMS or GBB here?

Probably not. Part of the reason for that was that at the time, mpsims was much more of an "Ooh! Da fuzzy kitty did something sooooooooooooooooooo cutesies!" forum--so funny rants* and scatalogical stuff wasn't really appropriate there. Here, we don't have that.

Frankly, I'm fine with the current rule: if you have a real, legit, personal gripe (or if you hate another poster) post it here. Make it funny if you want--funny isn't the issue. Just don't do recreational outrage rants in the pit.

*I'm not gonna use the term "joke", because there was a long standing "No joke threads" in the pit" rule--meaning no dirty jokes/knock-knock jokes/lightbulb joke hreads, etc. Those went in MPSIMS with the caveat that if it the joke was too gross/sick for MPSIMS, it was too gross for anywhere on the board. Lynn used the term "Joke Thread" to mean "funny rants"

[Guinastasia]

It would be the height of plausible hilarity if Oakminster made mod.

Even less so if Liberal did (remember I told you he put in for one?)

[iampunha]

Even less so if Liberal did (remember I told you he put in for one?)

As I said in another thread on this board, nothing about Lib can surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me to see Lib made mod just because then all the attention would be on him when he did something histrionic/disappeared for two weeks/became a red fern.

[BJMoose]

Pardon the digression, but the recent links led me to see the latest GB ad there: "Giraffe Boards: We don't have annoying ads like this one. Ads suck." Tuba must be going nuts.

[brownie55]

Pardon the digression, but the recent links led me to see the latest GB ad there: "Giraffe Boards: We don't have annoying ads like this one. Ads suck." Tuba must be going nuts.
She doesn't see ads, being the equivalent of paid up. That's what she asked for screen shots when they were first popping up. Lead to a great ad from the Snackpit.

[Lord Blackmore]

Giraffeboards: TubaDiva free since...

[BJMoose]

She doesn't see ads, being the equivalent of paid up. That's what she asked for screen shots when they were first popping up. Lead to a great ad from the Snackpit.

You sure about the GoogleAds? They showed up when I was a paying customer there. Maybe admin-level users are spared those, too, but she may have asked for the screenshots simply because the ads tend to change a lot.

[iampunha]

You sure about the GoogleAds? They showed up when I was a paying customer there. Maybe admin-level users are spared those, too, but she may have asked for the screenshots simply because the ads tend to change a lot.

IIRC, a major annoyance many people had was that they had paid to use the board and now they were seeing ads.

Many places have subscriptions, which remove ads, and so anyone who is seeing ads doesn't have a subscription. No such luck with the SDMB.

A major reason for removing subscription-only posting after 30 days was the site traffic it was supposed to generate.

And then Ed banned cunts, and here we are.

[Roo]

Pardon the digression, but the recent links led me to see the latest GB ad there: "Giraffe Boards: We don't have annoying ads like this one. Ads suck." Tuba must be going nuts.
I think she's consoling herself with the money. ads = revenue (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11974808&postcount=46)

[Lord Blackmore]

And then Ed banned cunts, and here we are.

IMO, Ed didn't ban enough of the cunts over there.

[hajario]

She asked for screen shots of our ads and the Snackpit's ads because they made her all butt hurt and she wanted to try to stop them. Unfortunately for her, when people complained about ads for out and out scams that were on there earlier, she said that there was nothing that could be done about the ads the Google gave them. Someone clued her in about her hypocrisy and then she decided to be "pragmatic" about them. She was pwnd, pure and simple.

[Roo]

She was pwnd, pure and simple.
Dude, you crack me up too (http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=245018&postcount=18).

[eleanorigby]

You sure about the GoogleAds? They showed up when I was a paying customer there. Maybe admin-level users are spared those, too, but she may have asked for the screenshots simply because the ads tend to change a lot.

I pay for membership on the Dope and see no ads. I do see ads when I just visit the Dope from a different computer, and I saw ads recently when my subscription had expired (that very day) and I had not yet renewed it. Now I don't see them. If I ever see them after paying and it's not a mistake or a glitch, that's when I say buh-bye. I loathe ads. I can barely watch TV any more due to ads.

[BJMoose]

And then Ed banned cunts, and here we are.

Speak for yourself. :D


I pay for membership on the Dope and see no ads. I do see ads when I just visit the Dope from a different computer, and I saw ads recently when my subscription had expired (that very day) and I had not yet renewed it. Now I don't see them. If I ever see them after paying and it's not a mistake or a glitch, that's when I say buh-bye. I loathe ads. I can barely watch TV any more due to ads.

You really don't see the little text GoogleAds between the last post on a page and the Post Reply button? While I can no longer have absolute confidence in my memory, I will swear that they were there when I was there. Perhaps they changed things. (This was mostly before they started slathering display ads all over the place.)

(FYI, everyone: when I looked at the Cunt-Free Message Board a few minutes ago to see where the ads were placed, the GB ad read: "Because there is no 'I' in 'drunken rabble'." Do we have some great copywriters here, or what?)

[iampunha]

I think she's consoling herself with the money. ads = revenue (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11974808&postcount=46)

How wonderful that loading a single post on the SDMB, like that, generates no ad and thus costs the company that owns the board.

[Roo]

How wonderful that loading a single post on the SDMB, like that, generates no ad and thus costs the company that owns the board.
:confused: Even generating an ad doesn't make the company money. You have to click on it for the company to make money, right?

How are loading posts related?

[iampunha]

:confused: Even generating an ad doesn't make the company money. You have to click on it for the company to make money, right?

How are loading posts related?

So if you load a post, that's a hit on the company server. But it doesn't generate an ad.

Even if that itself doesn't lose the company money, the lack of an ad to click on means the company loses money, no?

[Roo]

Even if that itself doesn't lose the company money, the lack of an ad to click on means the company loses money, no?
No. The lack of an ad doesn't lose the company money (cost them anything), it just doesn't generate an opportunity to gain money in that way. So for all the people who pay not to see ads, their views without ads don't lose the company money, they just don't give the company the ability to generate income in that way. And even for people who see ads, if they don't click on them, there's no money that's made there either.

Do you mean that they lose the opportunity to make money? Or something else?

[iampunha]

Do you mean that they lose the opportunity to make money? Or something else?

OK, so you link to an individual post on the SDMB. I click on it. That's a server hit on the SDMB or its company or whatever.

Included in that server hit is not a Google ad. No Google ad is generated. This means there is no opportunity for the SDMB or its parent company to make money.

But the SDMB or its parent company does incur some cost associated with the generation of the single post, no?

So linking to single posts, assuming all the above is correct, (however) slowly drains the parent company.

[Chacoguy]

OK, so you link to an individual post on the SDMB. I click on it. That's a server hit on the SDMB or its company or whatever.

Included in that server hit is not a Google ad. No Google ad is generated. This means there is no opportunity for the SDMB or its parent company to make money.

But the SDMB or its parent company does incur some cost associated with the generation of the single post, no?

So linking to single posts, assuming all the above is correct, (however) slowly drains the parent company.



::Tents fingers::

"Exxxxxcellent!"

[Monstera deliciosa]

Speak for yourself. :D




You really don't see the little text GoogleAds between the last post on a page and the Post Reply button? While I can no longer have absolute confidence in my memory, I will swear that they were there when I was there. Perhaps they changed things. (This was mostly before they started slathering display ads all over the place.)

(FYI, everyone: when I looked at the Cunt-Free Message Board a few minutes ago to see where the ads were placed, the GB ad read: "Because there is no 'I' in 'drunken rabble'." Do we have some great copywriters here, or what?)

You remember correctly. Everyone, paying member or not, used to see those Google ads at the bottom of the page. But around the time that they decided to drop mandatory pay-to-post (or maybe shortly after) it was fixed so that paying members no longer saw them.

[Roo]

So linking to single posts, assuming all the above is correct, (however) slowly drains the parent company.
Ah OK, I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about Tuba's making the single post, not my linking to her single post. I don't know about that part. I don't know how the fee structure for their server is set up or how clicking on links affects that.

So you're thinking that sitting here clicking on that link is helping them to tank faster?

If so, the snackers really should link to there more if that's how it works, and that's the goal. Instead, they seem to be linking to here just as much. Hey, what's that about?

[iampunha]

So you're thinking that sitting here clicking on that link is helping them to tank faster?

I'm thinking that, yes. However, I can't imagine that even if you had a bunch of computers doing nothing but loading single-post epics all day, they'd do much to dent the server because -- as opposed to in days past -- they no longer operate that server on ramen and duct tape.

[srzss05]

Everyone, paying member or not, used to see those Google ads at the bottom of the page.

Unless you have an adblocker. Then you see a blue bar that says "Advertisement".

[Uthrecht]

I'm thinking that, yes. However, I can't imagine that even if you had a bunch of computers doing nothing but loading single-post epics all day, they'd do much to dent the server because -- as opposed to in days past -- they no longer operate that server on ramen and duct tape.

The two main costs for a web site would be maintenance of the server and network bandwidth. You causing a page load would cost via making additional read/writes to the system, and network traffic. So yes, you bring the hard drives slightly further towards their doom, but fairly marginally. As for network traffic, it depends on how their package is structured. They likely have a monthly fee, so in that sense you don't create additional cost. On the other hand, if their provider would bump them up in cost if they go above a certain amount of traffic, you might play some part in that if they had heavy load.

I wouldn't get too excited over it, though.

[eleanorigby]

You really don't see the little text GoogleAds between the last post on a page and the Post Reply button? While I can no longer have absolute confidence in my memory, I will swear that they were there when I was there. Perhaps they changed things. (This was mostly before they started slathering display ads all over the place.)

(FYI, everyone: when I looked at the Cunt-Free Message Board a few minutes ago to see where the ads were placed, the GB ad read: "Because there is no 'I' in 'drunken rabble'." Do we have some great copywriters here, or what?)

The Google ads don't matter to me--the ones at the bottom of the page. The ones I find intrusive and will not put up with are the ones that appear in between posts and take forever to load, thereby slowing down reading or thread surfing considerably. I never look at the Google ads (and am not sure I can even see them), and now I think I'm missing some comedy gold.

[brownie55]

I offer Shagnasty in the "Specal Friend (read fuck buddy)" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552056) thread.

It can't be that hard to find such a thing. I am a male who has been divorced for a little over a year. I always wanted to be a gigolo but never got around to it because of other commitments. I don't need the money so I was thinking I could start that up now as a charity or non-profit foundation. I have no interest in being in a long-term relationship but it is a shame to let talent and ambition stagnate into nothing at the same time or else the another wonder of the world would disappear forever again. I am sure there are a whole bunch of other guys that feel the same way I do in your area. Don't sell yourself short. In most ways, your qualifications sound like a perfect match for the job description of the best wife in the world as well.

I don't think the most annoying can be determined for all time, just who is pinging the radar now. He considers his "man skills" to be a wonder of the world. Damn, that is some chutzpah.

[Zombies!]

Snerk. That's not annoying. That's just funny.

[brownie55]

Snerk. That's not annoying. That's just funny.

I did crack up, but I, being hung like the Sphinx, feel he is stealing my marque.

[HongKongFooey]

Hopefully he confines his 'special skills' to willing partners these days.

[Guinastasia]

I offer Shagnasty in the "Specal Friend (read fuck buddy)" (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552056) thread.



I don't think the most annoying can be determined for all time, just who is pinging the radar now. He considers his "man skills" to be a wonder of the world. Damn, that is some chutzpah.

Shagnasty is an idiot. Isn't he the one who started the whole "milk in a bar" crap?

Oh, and apparently, The eyeroll smiley is an insult (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552176). :rolleyes: (appropriate, isn't it?)

[iampunha]

Oh, and apparently, The eyeroll smiley is an insult (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552176). :rolleyes: (appropriate, isn't it?)

That thread needs a douchebag warning. (I have no beef with Ogre, but Og bless do I not miss the mods treating people like that.)

[BJMoose]

I did crack up, but I, being hung like the Sphinx [ancient and crumbly], feel he is stealing my marque.

No need to thank me for the explanatory comment. Happy to oblige.

[brownie55]

No need to thank me for the explanatory comment. Happy to oblige.

And I thought you were my friend.

[wring]

Oh, and apparently, The eyeroll smiley is an insult (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552176). :rolleyes: (appropriate, isn't it?)that thread led me to another there, and I noticed that Milosarrian is back. Last I recall of him was his "Saddam is shooting those WMD he doesn't have at us" thread in the pit wherehe called out all of us who questioned if there were WMD being hid. turned out the things he was calling wmd were missles and not wmd at all.

[Chacoguy]

Shagnasty is an idiot. Isn't he the one who started the whole "milk in a bar" crap?

Oh, and apparently, The eyeroll smiley is an insult (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552176). :rolleyes: (appropriate, isn't it?)

Hell, I got an :rolleyes: from samclem. If you are insulted by an :rolleyes:, you are the biggest pussy on the internet.

[SmartAleq]

Hell, I got an :rolleyes: from samclem. If you are insulted by an :rolleyes:, you are the biggest pussy on the internet.

Well, if the shoe fits... I'm still fairly banjaxed at the revelation that Shagnasty thinks he could just go "be a gigolo" as though he had even a vague shot at it. First off, I've seen pics and the man is no Adonis--pasty, pudgy and with a very disagreeable expression. He'd have to be hung like a donkey and the thing would have to squirt pure Godiva chocolate for him to have a chance at a woman paying him to fuck her. On the other hand, he might possibly make it as a bottom for the leather trade. Perhaps that's what he thinks a gigolo does. :rolleyes: :facepalm:

[The Futility of Nihilism]

... I [do] not miss the mods treating people like that.
The longer I'm gone from there the more ridiculous the moderation looks. They act like elementary school teachers with classes of unruly third graders.

[WednesdayAddams]

It occurs to me that one of the reasons that these threads happen here is that we weren't ever allowed to talk about shared history there if it concerned a banned poster. Nope, can't talk about 'em. Thread shut down. and shit, some of it was fucking hilarious.
Hence, snarkpit. Which sort of explains the administration's vicious denouncements of the snark. If you've just declared a ban on a topic of conversation, it must be very frustrating to know the conversation is continuing elsewhere and you can't do a damn thing to stop it. So much for claiming to not care about what happens on 'those sites.'

Well, if the shoe fits... I'm still fairly banjaxed at the revelation that Shagnasty thinks he could just go "be a gigolo" as though he had even a vague shot at it. First off, I've seen pics and the man is no Adonis--pasty, pudgy and with a very disagreeable expression. He'd have to be hung like a donkey and the thing would have to squirt pure Godiva chocolate for him to have a chance at a woman paying him to fuck her. On the other hand, he might possibly make it as a bottom for the leather trade. Perhaps that's what he thinks a gigolo does. :rolleyes: :facepalm:
I think I just threw up a little bit.

[Fenris]

What I don't get is this: ok, he's all hot-n-bothered about rolley ( :rolleyes: ) but "You are so fucking deluded it's insulting. Real class act there. " didn't bother him? And didn't earn a serious mod smackdown?

"Go fuck yourself" is rude, but it's not technically an insult ("attacking the poster, not the post" is their definition of insult, remember) and "go fuck yourself" isn't an attack on a poster--it's an instruction (like the way "wishing death" isn't an insult, it's an instruction). That said "You are so fucking deluded it's insulting. Real class act there." is an insult. Two actually.

[SmartAleq]

I think I just threw up a little bit.

Not as much as I did when I originally read old Shags' post! :barf: :grossout:

[Fenris]

And hey! Cesario has started a new thread all about when a child becomes a legal adult. Not that it has ANYTHING to do with his perversion. :rolleyes:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552047

Well Done, L'il Ed! Well done.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

Oh yeah that guy is trolling the Durp big time. That's one of their favorite games, seeing how close you can come to the line without stepping over. :rolleyes:

"They" meaning a certain class of troll that the Durp seems to attract.

[NineToTheSky]

So, Fenris, would you ban him if he came here?

I know there's another thread here about this, but I don't think you actually gave your opinion as one of TPTB.

[Veb]

Oh yeah that guy is trolling the Durp big time. That's one of their favorite games, seeing how close you can come to the line without stepping over. :rolleyes:
The fine old brinksmanship game is alive and well. They slam the hammer down on posters for vaguely defined 'insults' and amorphous jerkitude like sniping and annoying. Meanwhile this blatant troll does his best "I'm not touching you!" routine.

[Dudley]

The fine old brinksmanship game is alive and well. They slam the hammer down on posters for vaguely defined 'insults' and amorphous jerkitude like sniping and annoying. Meanwhile this blatant troll does his best "I'm not touching you!" routine.

And his best is very, very good.

[Fenris]

So, Fenris, would you ban him if he came here?

I know there's another thread here about this, but I don't think you actually gave your opinion as one of TPTB.

I'd consult with the other mods/admins, but yeah, if it was up to me, he'd be insta-banned with the first "I wanna boink kiddies" post--especially since it's sitting on Vic Frankenstein's servers.

What I don't get is given the "piss-your-pants" terror the Drup has about getting sued or any sort of legal entanglements, I'm shocked they've let this perv (or troll) stick around. All it takes is one over-enthusiastic law-enforcement type to go after them--even though there's actually nothing actionable there, they'd be in for a world of grief.

[Dudley]

Another thread closed. Really, what's the point?

[NineToTheSky]

To the best of my knowledge, the Dope has had three people saying that they'd like to fuck kids; two of them have denied ever doing it.

IANAL but to the best of my knowledge the law enforcement agencies aren't interested in what people say they want to do - only what they have done. (With the exception, at least here in the UK, of proposing terrorist activities.) So neither the Dope nor GB should be letting themselves open to criminal prosecutions.

But, and this where it's getting sorta confusing: you, for GB, the open minded, easy going, pretty lawless sort of board, would insta-ban him, while the Dope, the anally internally legislated board have only reined him in a bit. And in the process, made it fiendishly difficult to talk about him. As Mr Giraffe has posted on the Dope
So the net effect of the new rule is that it's actually shielding him from criticism on issues which are related to, but not, pedophilia. It's kind of frustrating.

This also where I'm terribly conflicted. The liberal, open minded me says 'let anyone say what they want'. The father of two daughters, protective decent minded me says his agenda, and his persistent and slimey way of discussing his predeliction absolutely digusts me.

I really don't know, at the moment, which I'd go for.

ETA: Thank god I, unlike you, don't actually have to make that decision. Rather you than me, in this case.

[Fenris]

For me (and again, I'm not speaking for the other mods who might overrule me), the concern would be that it's on Victor's servers. (Yeah, and I'm squicked out by him too. That's part of it)

There were too many cases in the late '80s-mid '90s of overzealous law enforcement types ruining the lives of people for less over their concerns of possible pedophilia.

Plus, I can also rationalize it as "His gimmick is hijacking threads with his perversion: the GB has always had a pretty strong policy against hijacks."

[NineToTheSky]

So you're saying that there is a real risk of legal intervention?

[SmartAleq]

So you're saying that there is a real risk of legal intervention?

When it comes to kiddy-fiddlers, there's no guaranteed safe ground short of absolute refusal to have anything to do with the whole subject. You can be arrested, tried and convicted in some states just for idly doodling a nekkid kid doing something inappropriate, whether that's right or wrong is a question for the ages, but the reality is that it's a zero tolerance area pretty much everywhere. Do we want to be the ones who find out? I don't, how 'bout you?

As for said kiddy fiddlers getting banned here and not on the Durp, I don't think it'd even be an issue. We don't rely on the mods to do our dirty work, we wade right in and let assholes know how we think of them and exercise OUR right to say any goddamned thing we want to enforce the kind of standards we prefer to have around here. In such an environment, those fuckers won't last a minute with that schtick. Shit decays in sunshine, turn a big bright unfriendly light on the nasty ones and they slink off in search of a darker, stinkier cave to crouch in. Or a better class of bridge, YMMV.

And I'm sorry, but I don't give one slim, pallid shit about the "rights" of gross, nasty people to spout their grossness and nastiness in my presence. If someone shits in my living room I take the mop to their fucking heads and then I clean up the mess. I don't need that crap in my house, and if enough people don't agree with me, I'll fucking move. That, my friends, is majority rule in action. :science:

[hajario]

I don't think that there is a real risk for legal problems if someone were to post as he had been posting on the Durp. As a Moderator, my issue with him is that he would ruin the enjoyment of the board for a significant percentage of the membership. I'd maybe let him have his one thread which I would hope would drop like a stone with very little if any replies. If he started a new one, I'd close it and tell him that he already had his thread and to cut it out. After that, he'd be Boxed for increasingly longer amounts of time. I'm a strong Free Speech Libertarian too but there are still limits.

Over here anyone could flame the shit out of him anywhere. Over there it's a constant game of how to deal with that shitbird while still staying within the Kafkaesque rules. How do you call a sick fuck a sick fuck while avoiding the No Insults Rule?

[Giraffe]

But, and this where it's getting sorta confusing: you, for GB, the open minded, easy going, pretty lawless sort of board, would insta-ban him, while the Dope, the anally internally legislated board have only reined him in a bit. And in the process, made it fiendishly difficult to talk about him. As Mr Giraffe has posted on the Dope


This also where I'm terribly conflicted. The liberal, open minded me says 'let anyone say what they want'. The father of two daughters, protective decent minded me says his agenda, and his persistent and slimey way of discussing his predeliction absolutely digusts me.

I really don't know, at the moment, which I'd go for.
I hear you. I'm generally 100% about the free speech, so this is an odd position to be in. Here's what I'd suggest if someone like Cesario showed up:

1. Once the pattern was established, I'd suggest permaBoxing him. This way he still has a voice to argue against his incarceration (and the Box would become that much scarier). If he posted anything in the Box that was overtly offensive or could cause legal problems (e.g. links to child porn sites), I'd ban him and possibly report him to the authorities.

2. The topics themselves aren't problematic to me -- any poster here could start a thread on the legalities of child pornography or age of consent laws and it wouldn't occur to me to do anything about it. What bothers me is helping someone do something abhorrent. There aren't many categories where simple discussion qualifies, but rationalization of pedophilia is one of them.

3. I myself am not worried about the legal side of things, but I would defer to Victor if he is. He's been generous enough to host us for free, and we shouldn't repay him by asking him to host anything he's uncomfortable with. (If for whatever reason that became overly restrictive, we always have the option to stop mooching and go back to paying our own way so it's not like he has final say on everything on the board, but I really don't see that happening. He's pretty reasonable.)

[NineToTheSky]

I honestly think Cesario is too resistent to attacks for them to deter him. I don't think that swearing at him or putting your opinion of him to him as vehemently as you can would have any effect on him.

Ignoring him would, of course, be the ideal solution, but because so many people feel so strongly, I don't see many people sitting on their hands for long.

I do agree, hajario: ruining people's enjoyment is very relevant. It's not only what he (only) talks about, but the never-ending relentless way that he does it that I find additionally irritating. I really am interested in what anyone has to say; I just don't want to be hit over the head with a sledgehammer over and over again.

[Zeener Diode]

Giraffe Johnson is right!

We shouldn't ban someone because of what happens on some other board. But if they decide to post here we ought to have the freedom to poke them until they crap their pants. If they are recalcitrant over past errors, welcome; otherwise, drop the banhammer on 'em.

[Fenris]

The thing is, it's not REAL legal risk--it's legal hassle. Aleq put it better than me
When it comes to kiddy-fiddlers, there's no guaranteed safe ground short of absolute refusal to have anything to do with the whole subject. You can be arrested, tried and convicted in some states just for idly doodling a nekkid kid doing something inappropriate, whether that's right or wrong is a question for the ages, but the reality is that it's a zero tolerance area pretty much everywhere. Do we want to be the ones who find out? I don't, how 'bout you?

You'll probably not be found guilty, but you still incur court costs, lawyer costs, having your stuff confiscated, negative publicity, etc. And again, who wants to be a test-case?

[NineToTheSky]

Giraffe Johnson is right!

We shouldn't ban someone because of what happens on some other board. But if they decide to post here we ought to have the freedom to poke them until they crap their pants. If they are recalcitrant over past errors, welcome; otherwise, drop the banhammer on 'em.

I was only referring to what would happen if he posted here. But, on reflection, with his history over there, I rather suspect if he made a post here just saying 'Hello', there'd a nuclear attack in response.

And as I said above, I really don't see him crapping his pants.

[Giraffe]

I do agree, hajario: ruining people's enjoyment is very relevant. It's not only what he (only) talks about, but the never-ending relentless way that he does it that I find additionally irritating.
For me, the most problematic issue is not the threads he starts, it's his posts in other people's threads. That's where I think he really ruins things for others. It's one thing to avoid his discussions on pedophilia laws (especially if we were to limit him to one such thread), it's another to try to start a thread on your kid's birthday party and having him drop a drooling little remark with a knowing wink smiley in there. Even if no one responds, it's going to change the tone of the thread, possibly unrecoverably so.

So yeah, we'd start (we, meaning the posters here at GB) by calling him an asshole and telling him to knock it the fuck off, but if that didn't work moderation would be needed, IMO.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

Fortunately, I see very little chance of Cesario posting here, as it is obvious whoever is driving him gets his rocks off, as Veb and I noted above, by playing the ol' "I'm not touching you" game. You simply can't play that game here, and for that I'm grateful.

[Roo]

As for said kiddy fiddlers getting banned here and not on the Durp, I don't think it'd even be an issue. We don't rely on the mods to do our dirty work, we wade right in and let assholes know how we think of them and exercise OUR right to say any goddamned thing we want to enforce the kind of standards we prefer to have around here. In such an environment, those fuckers won't last a minute with that schtick. Shit decays in sunshine, turn a big bright unfriendly light on the nasty ones and they slink off in search of a darker, stinkier cave to crouch in. Or a better class of bridge, YMMV.
Having posted on a board where there was a no ban policy, this doesn't work. Posters yell vulgarities at them, then they escalate and start doing the same. And pretty soon, it's unpleasant pretty much everywhere. Then the people who don't like conflict are yelling at the people who like to take their rage out on people. And the whole board gets involved. The people who get chased away are generally not the people who started the whole thing.

[SmartAleq]

Having posted on a board where there was a no ban policy, this doesn't work. Posters yell vulgarities at them, then they escalate and start doing the same. And pretty soon, it's unpleasant pretty much everywhere. Then the people who don't like conflict are yelling at the people who like to take their rage out on people. And the whole board gets involved. The people who get chased away are generally not the people who started the whole thing.

But did any of those boards have a Box? That, to my mind, makes all the difference in the world. We try to make 'em behave but if they won't and it gets disruptive they get to go squat in the Box until they behave, or forever, or until they force the mods to drop the banhammer--and in the meantime we get to discuss them, poke them with sticks and they can't fucking respond AT ALL unless we choose to interact with them in their little troll hole. Perfect, to my mind.

[Roo]

But did any of those boards have a Box?
No, I was talking about a board that had very little to no mod action because you posted:
We don't rely on the mods to do our dirty work
Putting someone in a Box is already a pretty interventionist mod action or dirty work, as you put it.

[SmartAleq]

Yes, but we don't RELY on it, the way Durpers rely on mods to fix every goddamned little pissy thing that upsets their Cheerios. We'd give the fucker a fighting chance out in the open with all of us and if that didn't work I think the mods would just go ahead and Box the sucker temporarily, then escalate from there as needed.

I have insurance IN CASE something happens, but I don't play with dynamite or drive like an F1 driver on meth all the time because I don't RELY on the insurance--it's a backup. Grok the difference?

[Roo]

Yes, but we don't RELY on it, the way Durpers rely on mods to fix every goddamned little pissy thing that upsets their Cheerios. We'd give the fucker a fighting chance out in the open with all of us and if that didn't work I think the mods would just go ahead and Box the sucker temporarily, then escalate from there as needed.
In this case, the SDMB has taken less interventionist action than putting them in the Box. And people are complaining about how much fighting chance that the SDMB is giving Cesario.

If you have the safety net of the mods banning the person, then what you do before that happens, like yelling at them, is pretty much inconsequential. And once they're in the Box or have their posting privileges curtailed, then yelling at them doesn't have any meaning either.

[WednesdayAddams]

I think the past few posts illustrate an issue that comes up with rather more frequency than the mods here and at the Dope may care for: it's fucking impossible to both be perfectly consistent and allow for the occasional special exception to any rule. ISTM that's why the 'jerk rule' there and the 'because you're an asshole' rule here exist in the first place. Sometimes there doesn't need to be a reason beyond that, and no amount of explaining is going to satisfy everyone. They don't need to go out of their way to give Cesario or anyone else a chance if it's truly disruptive, just like we don't. However, using 'he was being a jerk' as a reason for banning is a lot more forgivable IMO than months and months of letting everyone get pissed off every time the guy posts and waiting for him to get enough rope with which to hang himself.

[Muffin]

My pit thread that was simply "Cesario, I wish you would stop posting about children and their capacity to make decisions" followed by a link to his "Youth Rights - Criminal Responsibility" thread was locked.

So much for the SDMB supporting free speech.

[Muffin]

And now Ed has told Cesario to do post that sort of thing, but fell short of banning him.

[WednesdayAddams]

I think the wording effectively silences him, though:

Cesario, you are not to post anything ever again remotely related to children, sex, the law, relationships, or anything else in that in the opinion of the SDMB staff is an excuse to air your personal obsession. Furthermore, you are not to discuss this ruling or anything related to it on this board - if you have something to say to me or the staff, do so privately. If you give me the slightest excuse you'll be warned and possibly banned without further notice.

The previous admonition to other posters about provoking or commenting about Cesario remains in effect. Please use the "report post" feature, e-mail, or other private means if you see something that merits intervention by staff. Thanks for your cooperation.
That's a mighty wide line for him to try to blur or sidle up to. Hell, he can't even post something as innocuous as 'I like lemonade stands' without it being subject to moderator interpretation.

[Dudley]

This is all from my viewpoint, not necessarily facts.

The staff there never seem to do the right thing immediately. In almost all cases, they initially take the wrong path in resolving an issue -- any issue. They're either unnecessarily heavy-handed or just completely flake out over something obvious. Only when things get to breaking points do they wise up and make almost the right decision. Very rarely do I see a moderator or administrator action there and I think, "Now that makes a lot of sense. Good call." Conversely, here, I think that all the time.

[running coach]

I think the wording effectively silences him, though:


That's a mighty wide line for him to try to blur or sidle up to. Hell, he can't even post something as innocuous as 'I like lemonade stands' without it being subject to moderator interpretation.

I never knew he was into water sports.:innocent:

[Lord Blackmore]

I wonder why Zottitard is pussyfooting around with Cesario.

[Xploder]

Because it brings page views...hence possible ad revenue.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

I wonder why Zottitard is pussyfooting around with Cesario.
For sure. FFS, "Li'l Ed", just ban the fucker already. WTF is it that you think you're achieving by playing around with your final-for-sure-I-really-mean-it-this-time warning?

[Fenris]

This is all from my viewpoint, not necessarily facts.

The staff there never seem to do the right thing immediately. In almost all cases, they initially take the wrong path in resolving an issue -- any issue. They're either unnecessarily heavy-handed or just completely flake out over something obvious. Only when things get to breaking points do they wise up and make almost the right decision. Very rarely do I see a moderator or administrator action there and I think, "Now that makes a lot of sense. Good call." Conversely, here, I think that all the time.

I still blame Zotti---if every decision that matters needs to be run through a pointy-haired boss who really, REALLY doesn't care, except inasmuch as it's a revenue source ("Are you doing a good job? Providing good customer service? Who cares? The question is "Are you making me money?""). Plus, the Edster never, EVER fully backs down--he'll grossly overreact with a horrible decision, then fake-back-down to a merely terrible one (cf his series of retarded rules--about 8 different ones--that started with "No flaming in the Pit. At all." and ended with "Ok, you can flame, but you can't say "cunt", "fuck off" or "I hope someone drops a house on you". Isn't that a good compromise?" :rolleyes:

A while back he apparently made a rule that established (ie, non-spammer) posters can't be banned without his personal OK. When "the mob" called for Cesario's head, he wanted to be sure to show the posters who the boss was and refused to ban him. Now, rather than simply admit that banning Cesario would have been the right choice, he's just going to keep incrementally imposing more and more rules on Cesario until he eventually breaks one and then can ban him--but claim it had nothing to do with poster input.

Don't forget that this dimwit can't stand posters. He's the one who said (close paraphase) "If you don't like our moderation, leave. Moderators are more important to a website than the posters who provide...y'know...content."

[Uthrecht]

Wait a second. Fenris, are you suggesting that someone here is trying to make sure that you provide good customer service?

[Taber]

No hate for Lobohan? insulting people and pretending he's made a case are all he seems to ever do.

[Dallas Jones]

This is all from my viewpoint, not necessarily facts.

The staff there never seem to do the right thing immediately. In almost all cases, they initially take the wrong path in resolving an issue -- any issue. They're either unnecessarily heavy-handed or just completely flake out over something obvious. Only when things get to breaking points do they wise up and make almost the right decision. Very rarely do I see a moderator or administrator action there and I think, "Now that makes a lot of sense. Good call." Conversely, here, I think that all the time.

This is a very good summary of how Human Resources are managed in the modern corporate environment. Looks like Dudley is working below his grade.

[MissJeanLouise]

I think the past few posts illustrate an issue that comes up with rather more frequency than the mods here and at the Dope may care for: it's fucking impossible to both be perfectly consistent and allow for the occasional special exception to any rule. ISTM that's why the 'jerk rule' there and the 'because you're an asshole' rule here exist in the first place. Sometimes there doesn't need to be a reason beyond that, and no amount of explaining is going to satisfy everyone. They don't need to go out of their way to give Cesario or anyone else a chance if it's truly disruptive, just like we don't.

Right, that thread I linked to a while back, in which Cesario said that he wouldn't stop a 6-year-old from blowing him because whatever damage had been done to her to make her act that way in the first place had already been done, plus it was, in his words, "a rare opportunity" for sex with his desired age group---that thread wasn't breaking any rules. No illegal activity had been committed, although clearly he was hoping it would be committed someday in his dream life. But that post right there would have been enough for me to say, "Enough. You're gross and you're gone."

[Apex Rogers]

You are correct. DSYoungEsq should have definitely been a part of the OP's list of Junior Mods, a most annoying breed. I am even more fascinated to learn that he isn't an attorney but a high school math teacher. Is there any reason he puts the Esq as part of his user name (other than making people like me assume he's an attorney)?

That is very strange.

Dr. Boo :spooky: The Fireman, Policeman, Baseball Player

Your guess is as good as mine. I think he was called out on it a while back and he spoke vaguely about previous work in the law field or something. Most likely more puffery to make people again assume that maybe he USED to be lawyer.

[Veb]

I'm a bit surprised by how many have taken Cesario at face value, accepting that he might offer valuable insights into pedophilia. He's one anonymous person posting on a message board. It takes a huge leap of faith to believe he is what he claims to be or that anything he says would be worth a damn. Given that he barged onto a general interest message board and his single-minded persistence in all-pedophilia-all-the-time, my guess is he's a troll. Even if he isn't and just gets off on the shock, what's the difference? He's a one-trick pony with a particularly nasty shtick.

[Zombies!]

That's why I've felt along he should be treated as a troll. If it quacks like a troll and stinks like a troll, ban its ass, even if it's for nothing more than breaking the "Don't be a jerk" rule. God knows they've used that as justification for weilding the banhammer in the past, and I'd think coming into picnic or swimming threads to make lascivious comments about pre-teens would fall squarely in the "Jerk" heading.

[WednesdayAddams]

Damn, talk about a blast from the past. Manny peoples found his way back to the dope.

[Fenris]

And was insta-banned. After a 10 year gap. :(

I wonder if they sent him the standard "Gee--send Tuba the info on which user ID you want and we'll get you hooked up".

[Zombies!]

But, but... He could be an evil, dirty sock!

[Giraffe]

Poor mistreated Cesario posts a butthurt goodbye (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552334).

[Jeff]

And was insta-banned. After a 10 year gap. :(

I wonder if they sent him the standard "Gee--send Tuba the info on which user ID you want and we'll get you hooked up".

Who is this guy? I usually recognize names at least in passing.

[Zombies!]

Mai butt, she is hurtin'.

[Tamerlane]

I'm a bit surprised by how many have taken Cesario at face value, accepting that he might offer valuable insights into pedophilia. He's one anonymous person posting on a message board. It takes a huge leap of faith to believe he is what he claims to be or that anything he says would be worth a damn. Given that he barged onto a general interest message board and his single-minded persistence in all-pedophilia-all-the-time, my guess is he's a troll. Even if he isn't and just gets off on the shock, what's the difference? He's a one-trick pony with a particularly nasty shtick.

My POV exactly.

ETA: Maybe not exactly. I'm surprised so many have taken him at face value about anything, let alone that he might offer valuable insights. I can't get enraged by him, because I just don't buy for a minute he is genuine about what he is peddling. I'm a little surprised by the outrage and anger, because I'm near-certain he's lying. Even if he isn't, he's still trolling far as I can tell, which is motive enough to dispense with his presence.

[Fenris]

Who is this guy? I usually recognize names at least in passing.

He was an AOLie and as far as I knew, didn't migrate over (apparently he did briefly, hence the new ID which was a few characters different from his 10 year old one).

The short version (from what I've heard--I never saw any of his posts) is that he would post stuff like "Manny peoples ask me about < subject >". Hence the nickname "Manny Peoples". Tomndebb has a longer descrption of him in the ATMB thread.

[Chacoguy]

Poor mistreated Cesario posts a butthurt goodbye (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552334).

That's rich, the pedophile is disdainful of the SDMB mods.

[Zombies!]

I'm surprised, the thread's still not locked.

[iampunha]

The longer I'm gone from there the more ridiculous the moderation looks. They act like elementary school teachers with classes of unruly third graders.

Even with the responsible ones, it's not exactly great modding action:

Person1: I have a question.
Mod1: You would, you idiot.
Mod2: I don't understand how anyone could be as intellectually vacant as Person1.
Person1: Guys, for the love of God, would you stop acting like that and just answer my question?
Marley23: I'm not going to warn you for implying that the moderators are acting unacceptably, but you might want to consider not biting the hand you're asking to be fed from.

Poor mistreated Cesario posts a butthurt goodbye.

In a far-flung, squinty way, I agree with him.

It is Ed's fault Cesario is leaving. It's his fault because both he had to act in a ham-fisted (but still, somehow, insufficient) way and also he didn't ban the wannabefucker much sooner for, well, being Cesario.

(Any guesses on if not_alice is going to find a new orifice from which to try to suck life from the board?)

[iampunha]

That's rich, the pedophile is disdainful of the SDMB mods.

Really, honestly, in this Brave New World, does that actually surprise you?

No, no, it's OK. You can answer honestly. Worst thing that could happen to you is you'll get banned there for what you say here.

And I obviously say that knowing nothing of your status over there. Don't really care, though. If you've been a dick or a gem over there, I have no knowledge of it. All I know is here, and here, you're fine.

[Zombies!]

I agree with Cesario in that the administration of the board are trying to kill him by way of "Death by a thousand papercuts" because they don't want to be shown kowtowing to the whims of the board population at large, but they still are icked out by him.

But it's still butthurt. If he was a legitimate poster, he would have quit the kiddy diddling references in EVERY post after the first time someone complained. I still call troll, and he's butthurt about being called on it.

[Steerpike]

Poor mistreated Cesario posts a butthurt goodbye (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552334).

I hate to agree with Cesario, but he's pretty much on the money about them being too pussy to ban him outright just for being a creep, but instead casting the rules so that he's effectively prevented from talking about much at all. It would have been much more honest to say "you're a piece of shit, goodbye", but they want to wrap themselves in the flag of free speech {at least as they choose to define it} while also not having to live with the consequences of anyone saying anything offensive or provocative.

God knows why they chose this particular hill to die on, after banning and suspending people for little more for being a bit annoying, but if they'd just invoked the "our sandpit, our rules" clause as soon as he started talking about kid fucking it would have been much easier. However like all bad managers they are unable simply to admit they made a mistake and rectify it: "Sorry, bad call. Motherfucker shoulda been banned from the off. Lemme just fix that".

Instead they have to paste more and more Byzantine layers of rules anad clarifications and codices over the cracks in their original poor decision, and the more layers they add, the more cracks appear, and the more the rules lawyers swarm and multiply. The end result is that the motherfucker gets banned anyway, but not before the admins go through helical contortions that manage to piss off both the ban him now crowd and the free speech advocates. More quality work from the Zottard.

[Lord Blackmore]

I agree with Cesario in that the administration of the board are trying to kill him by way of "Death by a thousand papercuts" because they don't want to be shown kowtowing to the whims of the board population at large, but they still are icked out by him.

It just highlights what utter pussies TPTB over there are. If the fuckers want Cesario gone, just ban him. If they're not going to do it, then they need to cut all the bullshit rules made for just one poster.

It was all I could do to not just call Zotti a fucking pussy and be done with it.

ETA2: They just locked the thread.

[Veb]

Chortled at Cesario's swipe at 'bigots' in his bitter farewell soliloquy. Because hey, it's bigoted to disapprove of lusting after 3 year olds so he's a victim of prejudice now. He's playing all the notes on the keyboard and the mind-boggling thing is some will probably sing along, right on cue.

[Zombies!]

27 minutes. Marley is a bit slow today. Is he feeling ill?

[iampunha]

He's playing all the notes on the keyboard and the mind-boggling thing is some will probably sing along, right on cue.

You mean, other than the duet not_alice has been singing for approximately forever?

Leave it to a pedophile/pedtroll to call the SDMB on its bullshit.

Fucking hilarious.

You'll get banned in a minute for calling someone a cunt three times, but it takes suicide by mod for someone who says he wants to have sex with children to get a thread closed, even, let alone have his posting privileges revoked after, oh, five and a half months.

[Sybarite]

"If you truly believe the thread Cesario started is vile the best way to deal with it is not to read it or reply to it." NO! NO IT FUCKING ISN'T! GAH!

[brownie55]

Poor mistreated Cesario posts a butthurt goodbye (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552334).

Butt still listed as a guest. He ain't out the door yet.

[SmartAleq]

Gotta say that was epic pedo pwnage there--he's a creepy fucker but he does have a way with fairly reasonable sounding verbiage and he hit a few big blinky buttons in that post. The whole thing is a Grand Guignol of Tardation--if I ever wanna explain to someone why the Durp annoys the fuck outta me, the whole Cesario saga will be a grand place to start.

So long, trollish kiddie fiddler, I wish I could say we hardly knew ye! :grossout:

[running coach]

Butt still listed as a guest. He ain't out the door yet.

He's gone. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552344)

[brownie55]

He's gone. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552344)
Just saw that. And good riddance to bad fuckwads.

[iampunha]

He's gone. (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=552344)

Two problems in that thread:

The thread was not for the purpose of asking questions, however, as I'm sure ought to be obvious.

Appealing to Marley23's sense of the obvious is a symptom of insanity.

I'm not joking. It's in the DSM-V, to be released this year*.

Cesario has been banned for refusal to cooperate with the staff.

They didn't ban him for talking about wanting to have sex with children.

They banned him for not cooperating with them.

The funny keeps getting funnier.

Anyone got odds on when not_alice goes off the deep end?

*That book is actually coming out. But the Marley23 stuff isn't in there -- largely because Internet addictions aren't covered.

[brownie55]

Two problems in that thread:



Appealing to Marley23's sense of the obvious is a symptom of insanity.

I'm not joking. It's in the DSM-V, to be released this year*.



They didn't ban him for talking about wanting to have sex with children.

They banned him for not cooperating with them.

The funny keeps getting funnier.

Anyone got odds on when not_alice goes off the deep end?

*That book is actually coming out. But the Marley23 stuff isn't in there -- largely because Internet addictions aren't covered.
But it keeps them from giving in to the mob. I hurts to say this, buy he was right in the end. The kept drawing his limits tighter and tighter until saying "Hello," was enough. They wanted to ban him, but could not for appearing to give in to mob rule, so they just kept poking him and he finally crossed an invisible line. Look for the hallelujah chorus to celebrate their win. aldiboronti in three posts after the OP. He has no balls of his own but will benefit from the testicles of others.

[Fenris]

What's the point of them constantly insta-closing threads? I mean, seriously--it's clear their userbase wants to talk about the incident...why not just let a fucking thread stay open about it?

On the other hand, the more they do it, the more posters they drive here or to the snackpit to talk about it.

[Lord Blackmore]

"If you truly believe the thread Cesario started is vile the best way to deal with it is not to read it or reply to it." NO! NO IT FUCKING ISN'T! GAH!

Man, it's TubaDiva. Surely you don't expect better, do ya?

[iampunha]

But it keeps them from giving in to the mob.

Which doesn't form if they actually do their jobs and ban people for talking about having sex with children.

They fucked up, and they "couldn't" do this and "couldn't" do that, so they did something broad-brush and intellectually vacant, and he called them on it.

He wins, not them. He came off -- to me and others -- as calling them out on their spade. He shouldn't have been around to post what he posted, so inasmuch as he did any of that, he won. They "couldn't" do what they should have done -- ban him outright for being a jerk -- but they didn't do the next-best thing. They did something they decided was on the same page as the best thing. And the more anyone presses them on that decision, the more they will simply claim that he couldn't follow very reasonable rules they set in place for people like him.

What is actually the case, ISTM, is that they were afraid to ban him for being (or at least playing the role of) an unrepentant sexual predator, so they correctly guessed that he would see the (pretty reasonable) rules as being like a too-tight corset and that he would claim he couldn't breathe. And then they could simply claim he couldn't follow the rules and people who can't follow the rules don't get to stay around.

[Jeff]

On the other hand, the more they do it, the more posters they drive here

But the people who come here from there are jerk-faced losers who nobody likes.

[Roo]

if they'd just invoked the "our sandpit, our rules" clause as soon as he started talking about kid fucking it would have been much easier.
If anyone asked what he was banned for, what would they reply?

[Lord Blackmore]

But the people who come here from there are jerk-faced losers who nobody likes.

Oh, but we're a proud bunch.

[Chacoguy]

If anyone asked what he was banned for, what would they reply?

They would be issued an Official Warning, of course. :)

[Lord Blackmore]

If anyone asked what he was banned for, what would they reply?

Zotti wrote:

"Cesario has been banned for refusal to cooperate with the staff."

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12122526&postcount=2

Ed needs to be banned for being an idiot with no balls.

[Roo]

Zotti wrote:

"Cesario has been banned for refusal to cooperate with the staff."
Sorry, I meant if he was banned as early as Scissorjack said he should be banned.

At this point, yeah. . . it was impossible to cooperate so there was pretty much no way out.

[Zombies!]

If anyone asked what he was banned for, what would they reply?

"Don't be a jerk"

Time and time again Tuba points to that section of the posting agreement as justification for them to do whatever they want, even if you're a paying customer.

And they have banned people without refund under the "Don't be a jerk" clause. Why it's suddenly become so hard?

[Steerpike]

Ed needs to be banned for being an idiot with no balls.

They said it couldn't be done, but if anyone was going to cede the high moral ground to a guy who wants blowjobs from six year olds, it was Zotti.

[wring]

Why it's suddenly become so hard?
When two posters really love each other...

[iampunha]

When two posters really love each other...

Which one of them is six years old?

[Zombies!]

When two posters really love each other...

Which one of them is six years old?

Wring made me snerk.

'Punha made me just about choke trying not to laugh too much at work.

[Scruff]

Which one of them is six years old?

The one that's the sixual predator?

[iampunha]

The one that's the sixual predator?

::Guy posts on a message board advocating that newborns be considered viable for legal sexual activity if they can identify their toes::

Sixual predator.

Cesario, you may not post about wanting to have sex with children.

Durp.


The SDMB -- cuntese for Durp.

[mswas]

Which one of them is six years old?

Whichever one isn't hard I'm assuming.

[Zombies!]

The one that's the sixual predator?

The one from New Zealand.

[The Futility of Nihilism]

Well OK this thread has gotten some serious legs, but here's my first thoughts ...

Right, that thread I linked to a while back, in which Cesario said that he wouldn't stop a 6-year-old from blowing him ... that post right there would have been enough for me to say, "Enough. You're gross and you're gone."
I totally agree. You would have thought that would've been enough, wouldn't you? At that precise point it didn't matter if he was for real or a troll, either way it should have been a "fuck this shit, you're out of here" moment. But no, what finally got him ...

... the Edster never, EVER fully backs down ...

When "the mob" called for Cesario's head, he wanted to be sure to show the posters who the boss was and refused to ban him. Now, rather than simply admit that banning Cesario would have been the right choice, he's just going to keep incrementally imposing more and more rules on Cesario until he eventually breaks one and then can ban him--but claim it had nothing to do with poster input.
You called it! Seems to me that that's pretty much exactly what went down. Not for the incessant pedophilia, not for being a troll, but:
Cesario has been banned for refusal to cooperate with the staff.
:rolleyes:

I hate to agree with Cesario, but he's pretty much on the money about them being too pussy to ban him outright ...
He's right as far as that goes, but only because Cesario was almost certainly a troll who knows the game very well. He's disappointed that he has been backed into a corner where he can't play the "I'm not touching you" game.

He'll be back in a few months with a slightly less morally abhorrent schtick.

[Who_me?]

If anyone asked what he was banned for, what would they reply?

They should say, "Because we said he was." Fuck all the whining.

[iampunha]

He'll be back in a few months with a slightly less morally abhorrent schtick.

A few months? You think that long?

I don't follow board drama anymore except what I find out about here, but it wouldn't surprise me if he spoofed his IP, came back today and lay low for a week or two, maybe post something anti-pedo in whatever threads pop up as a result of this (and I already saw Clothahump's) and bide his time.

[NineToTheSky]

A few months? You think that long?

I don't follow board drama anymore except what I find out about here, but it wouldn't surprise me if he spoofed his IP, came back today and lay low for a week or two, maybe post something anti-pedo in whatever threads pop up as a result of this (and I already saw Clothahump's) and bide his time.

He might try it here. Cue spooky music, creeking doors, echoey footsteps...

[iampunha]

He might try it here. Cue spooky music, creeking doors, echoey footsteps...

Hmm.

Think it's worth a "Post here if the thought of a 6-year-old performing oran sex on you horrifies you" thread?

Or might he just post in there to fit in?

[NineToTheSky]

Hmm.

Think it's worth a "Post here if the thought of a 6-year-old performing oran sex on you horrifies you" thread?

Or might he just post in there to fit in?

This is where I may differ from some people. I don't think he's a troll (in the sense of being contrary to wind people up). He really believes all that stuff. He's consumed by it. It's his whole life. He'll just find somewhere else to continue his crusade. And I don't really think it'll be here; he must realise he's too well known.

But it does mean that if a new poster here even slightly alludes to children or sex, he's doomed. Doomed I tell ya.

[Uthrecht]

Think it's worth a "Post here if the thought of a 6-year-old performing oran sex on you horrifies you" thread?

No, I don't think there's any need for that here.

[NineToTheSky]

Interestingly, there a post on the SD saying,
I think the mods did an ok job with it. We have rules, protocol and decorum here. We don't just ban people willynilly. This isn't the Giraffe Boards with the "I can box/suspend/ban whomever I want" clause. They gave him opportunities to clear his name, put limits on what he can/cannot do, etc. and he still disobeyed.
Interesting because if that post is accurate, the GB is seen, by at least one poster, as a place with 'no rules, protocol and decorum' where people are banned willynilly.