Biden vs. Trump

[What Exit?]

I know Biden is probably not anyone's first choice but he pretty much has the nomination and has a pretty good chance to beat Trump.

Florida poll, UNF Biden 46, Trump 40 Biden +6
UNF is University of North Florida. No clue how objective they are.

But Florida polls have been in short supply and it is hopeful that Trump is trailing. If Florida turns from Trump, Biden only needs to pick up one other good size state to take the electoral college (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election).

Michigan and/or Ohio are pretty likely flips. (2016)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/ElectoralCollege2016.svg/348px-ElectoralCollege2016.svg.png

Biden needs to flip 39 Electoral Votes. Michigan & Ohio are not enough, but Florida goes a long way at 29. I think Penn is in play. There is an outside chance of Arizona & Wisconsin being in play. Also to add to the confusion is that 1 stray Maine vote.

Any other states that were Red last time that might go for Biden?

Arizona seems to like Biden and collectively dislikes Trump's treatment of John McCain. The most recent Poll shows Biden slightly ahead in fact.

Wisconsin & Iowa did vote for Obama. (2012)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/ElectoralCollege2012.svg/348px-ElectoralCollege2012.svg.png

[Detroit Hoser]

I see Michigan going Presidential blue this time. That's not to say there still aren't a lot of idiots around these parts, but I'm beginning to see some of them pretty unhappy about their leader right now. And Michigan elected a woman Dem as Governor last year, too. There's still a lot of bitching about her (and her fashion choices because....idiots) but right now Cheetoh is trying to slap her around while she's fighting to save her state, and people see how he's actually dicking them this time, and not just those goldamn libruls.

So, these days I find little that gives me hope, but this does. It's barely a thread right now but I suspect Trump will continue to pull the thread that finally unravels, pissing off everyone, including the drooling morons that voted for him.

[Sputnik]

It's too early. Sanders is hanging on hoping Biden has a bad moment or two. CV-19 is screwing the economy and that'll hurt trump. Biden's VP remains an unknown.

If Sanders bows out gracefully, and if economic recovery is slow, plus the Anybody but trump people actually vote, Biden could well win. IMHO.

I hope trump is a casualty of his own stupidity when this is all over.

[Detroit Hoser]

I hope trump is a casualty of his own stupidity when this is all over.

This is a comment that can be contextualized in so many different ways. I suspect you were being polite...as am I when I say I hope so, too...but I hope it's painful as hell.

[Rat Diva]

The latest forecast map on 270towin (https://www.270towin.com/maps/consensus-2020-electoral-map-forecast) shows PA, FL, NC, MI, WI, and AZ as up for grabs. PA was more sort of pink in 2016, thanks in large part to my own damn county and a US congressmonster (who has sort of slunk back into his slimehole after running for senator and losing) who was way up Trump's ass who did a lot of help him get elected.

I think PA could flip if Biden, who was born in Scranton, is able to hammer home the "coal country born and bred" for the Rust Belt appeal.

There have been a lot of TV ads running lately featuring Pennsylvanians who voted for Trump in 16 and are now regretting it. Hopefully those people and others like them will have the stones to vote against Trump this time.

[Rat Diva]

I see Michigan going Presidential blue this time. That's not to say there still aren't a lot of idiots around these parts, but I'm beginning to see some of them pretty unhappy about their leader right now. And Michigan elected a woman Dem as Governor last year, too. There's still a lot of bitching about her (and her fashion choices because....idiots) but right now Cheetoh is trying to slap her around while she's fighting to save her state, and people see how he's actually dicking them this time, and not just those goldamn libruls.



In my opinion, Gretchen Witmer is AWESOME. I first saw her on "Meet the Press" as Chuckie was trying to stir up shit between her and Trump. She didn't fall for it and came out looking great. Poise under pressure personified.

[What Exit?]

I hope trump is a casualty of his own stupidity when this is all over.

This is a comment that can be contextualized in so many different ways. I suspect you were being polite...as am I when I say I hope so, too...but I hope it's painful as hell.

Yep, poor choice of words, but I get what the intent was. Trump suffering defeat for his stupidity and greed would be a great thing. The fact that a big part of this will have been from far more deaths and disabilities than were needed is a nightmare.

I really think Michigan is almost surely going to vote Biden over Trump. So many indicators make it likely. But Biden has to flip at least 23 more electoral votes. So Florida or two others. I'm hopeful that the backlash over this crisis is strong enough for Biden to pickup all of the in play states and a surprise or two and that the Dems get the houses on his coat tails.

[What Exit?]

Anyone know why Indiana is so red? I've never understood this. I know a chunk of the state is basically the South, but it has a lot of Cities.

[Sputnik]

I know there's no way this might happen, but since this pandemic started, I've seen some remarkable leadership from some of the state Governors. Cuomo for instance, is a great leader.

[Detroit Hoser]

Agreed. I've always liked Gretchen Whitmer from back when she was a State Legislator. She's been a prominent figure in the Lansing area for a long time, and she's very approachable. Mostly, she's tough as hell and freaking awesome. I like her more than I like Jennifer Granholm, and that's saying something.

[Dazzling White Diamonds]

Anyone know why Indiana is so red? I've never understood this. I know a chunk of the state is basically the South, but it has a lot of Cities. Most likely because people don't get out and vote. That's just a SWAG on my part, though.

I suspect that if it wasn't for Chicago, Illinois would be a red state as well.

[Sputnik]

Sen. Bernie Sanders has dropped out. It's Biden v. Trump in Nov.

[Rat Diva]

Now that Bernie Sanders has dropped out of the race, (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/bernie-sanders-drops-out/index.html) I just want to say to his fans:

PLLLEEEAAAAASSSSSSSE don't vote for Trump or some third-party nitwit out of spite. At this point, we need Trump the fuck out of Washington DC and a functioning adult in charge of the country. We need the country stabilized and the brakes put on the damage Trump has caused. We need to not be a laughingstock in the international community again. We need a president who can hold a news conference without flubbering into some rabid orange mutant Lawrence Welk who only cares about how wunnerful, wunnerful he thinks he is.

The country needs time to recover before it'll be ready for sweeping changes. Please. I'm shamelessly begging you, pretty please with sprinkles on top.

[Sputnik]

Store bought sprinkles, or the ones you make at home?

[3acres]

I hate sprinkles. They're like the glitter of the food world; ok to look at, but they end up all over the place.

[Kat]

https://pics.me.me/no-sprinkles-for-every-sprinkle-i-find-i-shall-kill-4709600.png

[PSXer]

I'm voting Trump again to punish the DNC for stealing the nomination from Bernie yet again

[What Exit?]

I'm voting Trump again to punish the DNC for stealing the nomination from Bernie yet again

You're as funny as a heart attack.

[Sputnik]

The good news is that we'll never hear from Bernie again. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, PSXer.

[Glazer]

I'm voting Trump again to punish the DNC for stealing the nomination from Bernie yet again

Just so you know. If we ever meet in person. I'm gonna punch you in the gut.

[PSXer]

ok then you're uninvited from my super bowl party

[What Exit?]

General Election: Trump vs. Biden Economist/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 42 Biden +6
2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Economist/YouGov Biden 62, Sanders 32 Biden +30
President Trump Job Approval CNN Approve 44, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +9
President Trump Job Approval CNBC Approve 46, Disapprove 43 Approve +3
President Trump Job Approval Monmouth Approve 46, Disapprove 49 Disapprove +3
President Trump Job Approval Politico/Morning Consult Approve 44, Disapprove 54 Disapprove +10
President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 47, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +5
President Trump Job Approval Economist/YouGov Approve 45, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +8
General Election: Trump vs. Biden IBD/TIPP Biden 47, Trump 41 Biden +6

[What Exit?]

ok then you're uninvited from my super bowl party

Just to clarify, you were making a dumb joke and aren't really that stupid are you?

[PSXer]

yes everything I post is a dumb joke

[PSXer]

but do you really think Biden can beat Trump?

he seems so lame and boring and unlikeable

what is a reason to vote for Biden that is not "he's not Trump"

[silenus]

Most of my Bernie-supporting former students are heart-broken but rational this morning. The consensus seems to be "Hold your nose and vote for Joe, but work hard on local races to get rid of Nunes and McCarthy."

[PSXer]

at least Bernie seems like he actually cares about me (a poor person)

[Rat Diva]

Ok, fine. No sprinkles.

Pretty please with pickles on top?

[Glazer]

He's not Trump is good enough for me.

[Sputnik]

Ok, fine. No sprinkles.

Pretty please with food stamps on top?

FTFY - He wants socialist Bernie bucks.

[What Exit?]

but do you really think Biden can beat Trump?

he seems so lame and boring and unlikeable

what is a reason to vote for Biden that is not "he's not Trump"
Biden actually has one of the best chances to beat Trump. I like Sanders & Warren better also. Hell, I even like Bloomberg better but he had no chance.

Joe comes across very blue collar, he is strangely very popular with African Americans. He plays really well in states Hillary lost that she shouldn't have.

He from Scranton and polls well in Pennsylvania.

Ohio & Michigan round out the rust belt where HRC lost and Biden should pick up 1 or both.

He is doing well in Arizona which surprised me. Apparently a lot of voters that typically vote Republican really hate Trump and hate his treatment and insulting of John McCain. OK, I'll take it.

A lot of seniors in Florida no longer like Trump even though they foolishly voted for him last time. This includes my In-Laws and a lot of their friends. Florida voted Obama/Biden twice but Hillary lost it. Biden may well take it back.

Blue States are not switching to Trump. Seriously.

He's not Trump is good enough for me.


And this really sums it up. He's not Trump!

[Detroit Hoser]

If Michigan can't see through their buttholes long enough to vote for NOTTRUMP then I don't think I can live here anymore. :(

[Pleonast]

he seems so lame and boring


That is why Biden will win. “May you live in interesting times” is a curse. People want to go back to boring. Having Side-Show Bob run the country is exhausting. And self-evidently ruinous.

This election is going to be a straight-up referendum on un-indicted co-conspirator Donald John Trump. It didn’t matter who the Democrats nominated, but boring was the best choice.

[Sputnik]

It's mind blowing that there's an election 7 months from now and media coverage of it is not on the front page anymore.

[What Exit?]

It's mind blowing that there's an election 7 months from now and media coverage of it is not on the front page anymore.

Well today it is, with Sanders dropping out, but yeah. Crazy times indeed.

[Glazer]

he seems so lame and boring


That is why Biden will win. “May you live in interesting times” is a curse. People want to go back to boring. Having Side-Show Bob run the country is exhausting. And self-evidently ruinous.

This election is going to be a straight-up referendum on un-indicted co-conspirator Donald John Trump. It didn’t matter who the Democrats nominated, but boring was the best choice.

Man that's harsh! What did Slideshow Bob ever do to you?

Are you Bart Simpson?

[silenus]

"No, no. It says 'The Bart the' in German."

[3acres]

"No one who speaks German could be an evil man"

[Pleonast]

What did Slideshow Bob ever do to you?

Two words: "vacation pictures".

[SweetPea]

Anyone know why Indiana is so red? I've never understood this. I know a chunk of the state is basically the South, but it has a lot of Cities. Most likely because people don't get out and vote. That's just a SWAG on my part, though.

I suspect that if it wasn't for Chicago, Illinois would be a red state as well.

I would add a few more guesses:

1. Voters here are driven by religion--issues like same-sex marriage and abortion keep Indiana red. Indiana democrats are, by and large, more socially conservative if you don't count Bloomington (Indiana University) and West Lafayette (Purdue University).

2. Though we do have some good-sized urban areas, the urban vote is outweighed by the rural vote. Even the suburbs tend to vote republican.

3. Our urban areas tend to be whiter than usual--Indiana still has a population that is almost 85% white, and I think about 80% non-hispanic white.

4. Fewer than 40% of the population have any kind of college degree, and that number includes 2 year degrees.

[Ludovic]

"No one who speaks German could be an evil man"There might be a few, but there are good people on both sides.

[Sputnik]

Bernie Sanders endorses Joe Biden for president 4/13/20

I wonde3r what deal was struck being the scenes?

[What Exit?]

Bernie Sanders endorses Joe Biden for president 4/13/20

I wonde3r what deal was struck being the scenes?

Probably some of the more reasonable progressive programs.

[Metal Years]

Bernie Sanders endorses Joe Biden for president 4/13/20

I wonde3r what deal was struck being the scenes?

Probably some of the more reasonable progressive programs.

Mr. Biden needs to explicitly aver that he's in favor of reefer being legal throughout The United States. I don't think he's done so?

[What Exit?]

Probably some of the more reasonable progressive programs.

Mr. Biden needs to explicitly aver that he's in favor of reefer being legal throughout The United States. I don't think he's done so?

Such a simple one too, he should do it. I wonder though how this issue plays in the swing states. Might not help in Florida and that is the biggest prize of the states in play.

[Sputnik]

Obama endorses Biden for president. I'm seeing a way more unified Democratic party now than in 2016. I really believe we're going to do this.
(from CNN)

[Sputnik]

Elizabeth Warren endorses Joe Biden.

I think that's the last of them. A unified front against the emperor. Treason he will call it.

[What Exit?]

3 Fresh polls (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/)showing Trumps Disapproval climbing.

Race/Topic*** Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Biden Economist/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 43 Biden +5
North Carolina: Trump vs. Biden Civitas/Harper (R) Trump 49, Biden 42 Trump +7
President Trump Job Approval Reuters/Ipsos Approve 46, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +5
President Trump Job Approval Politico/Morning Consult Approve 45, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +7
President Trump Job Approval Economist/YouGov Approve 45, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +8
Public Approval of President Trump's Handling of the Coronavirus Reuters/Ipsos Approve 48, Disapprove 48 Tie
Public Approval of President Trump's Handling of the Coronavirus Economist/YouGov Approve 43, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +10

[What Exit?]

Interesting, Biden has a 48% to 47% edge in the latest North Carolina Poll. This is a PPP poll, Public Policy Polling.
PPP is apparently a Democratic polling firm though, so please take with a grain of salt.
Still a good sign that NC is not only in play but Trump might currently be losing it.

Rasmussen Reports shows Trump Job Approval as Approve 46, Disapprove 53.
Rasmussen Reports is a Right Wing polling company and they have been showing Trump losing nationally and declining in approval.

It looks like Economist/YouGov leans left but is also UK based.

Civitas is very right leaning.

[Sputnik]

Trump's daily briefings are showing the way to get under trump's skin. He can't handle the tough questions without, as Seth Miller says, sounding like your grandfather reading an eye test chart. Hopefully Joe Biden's team remembers these questions come debate time.

[Swammerdami]

I'm voting Trump again to punish the DNC for stealing the nomination from Bernie yet again

I just swallowed a half-bottle of bleach to punish my wife for serving me curry over left-over rice.


BTW, I'm not feeling very well just now. Can any of you give me a quick diagnosis, or is this like the Derp where I have to switch fora?

[Glazer]

It worked you're wife is going to be pissed you're gone. We'll miss you too. But we understand that you just have to show people you mean business.

[What Exit?]

Race/Topic Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Biden Monmouth Biden 50, Trump 41 Biden +9
General Election: Trump vs. Biden Economist/YouGov Biden 46, Trump 42 Biden +4
General Election: Trump vs. Biden CNBC Biden 47, Trump 44 Biden +3
Connecticut: Trump vs. Biden Quinnipiac Biden 56, Trump 33 Biden +23
New Jersey: Trump vs. Biden Quinnipiac Biden 54, Trump 35 Biden +19
New York: Trump vs. Biden Quinnipiac Biden 55, Trump 32 Biden +23
President Trump Job Approval CNBC Approve 46, Disapprove 54 Disapprove +8
President Trump Job Approval Economist/YouGov Approve 46, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +5
President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 49, Disapprove 49 Tie
President Trump Job Approval Reuters/Ipsos Approve 45, Disapprove 53 Disapprove +8
President Trump Job Approval Politico/Morning Consult Approve 42, Disapprove 52 Disapprove +10
Direction of Country Economist/YouGov Right Direction 32, Wrong Track 56 Wrong Track +24
Direction of Country Politico/Morning Consult Right Direction 35, Wrong Track 65 Wrong Track +30
Direction of Country Reuters/Ipsos Right Direction 31, Wrong Track 57 Wrong Track +26