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JackieLikesVariety
9th February 2023, 07:47 AM
Recently a friend was telling me about Becca Levy's book about agism (https://becca-levy.com/) which I have not yet read.

Then I saw a post from Wolf (https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=1789377&postcount=56874) making light of how stupid/awful old people are in a way that would not have seemed OK if it were about any other group*.

maybe it's unfair to call out Wolf Larsen when I have done the same thing - mocking the old, mostly with regard to myself and the decline I see in some of my abilities, etc. :lawn: but I hope he doesn't mind because that post so perfectly shows what we really think in this country.

you are old and you suck, just be glad we let you hang around to mock instead of sending you all out on an iceburg so we don't have to support you anymore.

but it's not ok to make fun of old people because agism has real consequences and I'm going to try and stop doing it.

if you don't want to read the book, there is a short excerpt in The Harvard Gazette How America's Agism Hurts, Shortens the lives of Elderly. (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/08/how-americas-ageism-hurts-shortens-lives-of-elderly/)

from the link:

The Japanese treated old age as something to enjoy, a fact of being alive, rather than something to fear or resent.

and it's not an accident they live longer, women have less hotflashes, etc in menopause and their older men have higher testosterone levels than those in Europe.

meanwhile in the US

Everywhere I looked, in TV shows, in fairy tales, and online, old age was treated as though it meant forgetfulness, weakness, and decline.

many of the cognitive and physiological challenges we think of as linked to growing old — like hearing loss and cardiovascular disease — are also the products of age beliefs absorbed from our social surroundings.


TLDR being soaked in this culture where age is not respected hurts us.




*obese people? I guess that's another thread

thylacine
10th February 2023, 10:17 AM
It is most certainly not just a US issue. In some ways I like the invisibility after a lifetime of standing out to those who would prefer my kind not exist but it comes with a cost.

The pandemic allowed society to shove us out of sight “for our protection” and they aren’t letting us back in. Heavy discounts for grocery deliveries, doctors relying on Telehealth more than in person visits, activities and classes cancelled…

Meanwhile they want our house for a family, would we please do the right thing and just die already

thylacine
10th February 2023, 10:20 AM
*obese people? I guess that's another thread

Warning, I have very big opinions on that subject as one who grew up obese and halved my weight in my 40s. I had no idea how cruel the world had been until it stopped.

SmartAleq
10th February 2023, 10:40 AM
The obesity one is incredibly ingrained and incredibly hard to dislodge from one's brain. Unfortunately, it's not one of those things that's so absolutely wrong that all you have to do is think about it for five seconds, like people being gay or trans, there really ARE a lot of health detriments to being obese, a lot of real world health issues that go along with disordered eating at either end of the spectrum so it's really difficult to try to parse out exactly where the line is and tell your brain to rewire itself. For those of us "of a certain age" too it's hard when you think back and KNOW that when you were young obese people were the rarity and are now the norm in many places...but not all places. I was in fifth grade the first time I encountered a morbidly obese person, and she really stood out. Now she'd be unremarkable in most American cities. One has to ask oneself where it all went wrong and how it can go back to the way it was fifty years ago. I dunno, obese is a toughie. Being a shit about it to people unreservedly sucks though, no excuse.

Radical Edward
10th February 2023, 10:52 AM
If I have any prejudices it's old white men. Not all of them, but specifically Good Ol' Boys. If you live in the South, you know who I'm talking about. Considering the number of prejudices they have, I'm not sorry.

SmartAleq
10th February 2023, 12:11 PM
I'm with ya, Ed, Good Ol' Boys of every age need to take a long walk off a short pier.

JackieLikesVariety
23rd April 2023, 10:14 AM
If I have any prejudices it's old white men. Not all of them, but specifically Good Ol' Boys. If you live in the South, you know who I'm talking about. Considering the number of prejudices they have, I'm not sorry.

I try not to be hateful, but there were some of these in the Cherry Blossom Festival Parade yesterday and I managed to only not wave and didn't boo or anything.

but those fuckers were loud and not throwing any candy. :rigs: