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What Exit? 20th June 2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1621261)
Eskimo Pie will stop using its racist name too

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/busin...rnd/index.html

Another one that I thought was already gone. Weird.

Metal Years 20th June 2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1621261)
Eskimo Pie will stop using its racist name too

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/busin...rnd/index.html

What about Edmonton, Alberta's CFL team?

https://www.esks.com/

Detroit Hoser 20th June 2020 10:12 AM

I was going to make a joke about Let's Make a Deal and a year's supply of Eskimo pies, but the fact is that Monty Hall was very forward-thinking and liberal for his time, and he raised his kids to be the same way. So I can't make whatever dumb joke would have come to me, and that's for the best.

BJMoose 20th June 2020 10:18 AM

Of course he was. He was Canadian.

InternetBrowser 20th June 2020 10:45 AM

I never paid her any attention, just opened the bottle and poured the syrup on the pancakes

PSXer 25th June 2020 10:48 AM

The Dixie Chicks are now just The Chicks

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status...568122881?s=21


racism is over but isn't that name still sexist?

running coach 25th June 2020 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1623105)
The Dixie Chicks are now just The Chicks

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status...568122881?s=21


racism is over but isn't that name still sexist?

Not if it's a hen party.

SmartAleq 25th June 2020 11:51 AM

Same rules apply--if you are part of a group you may use whatever questionable names for that group that you wish. If you are not a part of the group, you may not. Those women may refer to themselves as chicks all they like, just as I can call myself a bitch and my girls can too but let some rando guy try it and there's gonna be fur flying.

PSXer 25th June 2020 12:27 PM

maybe you're a victim of internalized misogyny

SmartAleq 25th June 2020 12:28 PM

Naw, just kinda mean most days.

Helena 25th June 2020 01:18 PM

Trolling.

Smartie, you're not mean, you have low-idiot tolerance.

PSXer 25th June 2020 01:28 PM

and they're from the south so they are part of the dixie group

BJMoose 25th June 2020 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1623105)
The Dixie Chicks are now just The Chicks


Dixie Cups may be next.

SmartAleq 25th June 2020 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by helena330 (Post 1623147)
Trolling.

Smartie, you're not mean, you have low-idiot tolerance.

Yeah, but to an idiot that translates as "being mean." It's easier just to own it, there are so many idiots around I'd spend 22 hrs a day explaining the difference to them! :rebo:

JackieLikesVariety 25th June 2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Detroit Hoser (Post 1621326)
I was going to make a joke about Let's Make a Deal and a year's supply of Eskimo pies, but the fact is that Monty Hall was very forward-thinking and liberal for his time, and he raised his kids to be the same way. So I can't make whatever dumb joke would have come to me, and that's for the best.

good on him! Hoser, you have the best trivia! :science:

Glazer 25th June 2020 05:28 PM

How did just being Dixie become racist? Unless equating Southern as being inherently racist. The South was Dixie long before the civil war. And it has little to do with the landed slave holding Gentry. Dixie is the poor hardscrabble Scots- Irish barely looked better upon than the Negro slaves themselves.

BJMoose 26th June 2020 09:14 AM

To the extent Dixie represents "typical Southern attitudes", I can understand why some would want to distance themselves from the term. Perhaps this is what The Dixie Chicks had in mind.

silenus 26th June 2020 09:18 AM

It's not like any of the band members is from The South.

Cochrane 26th June 2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by silenus (Post 1623366)
It's not like any of the band members is from The South.

Natalie Maines is from Lubbock, Texas. And Texas did secede from the Union. Also, the band was formed in Dallas.

PSXer 27th June 2020 03:18 AM

The Simpsons and Family Guy will no longer have white actors voice black characters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/a...ce-actors.html

PSXer 29th June 2020 12:13 PM

Texas realtor group says it will no longer use the word "master" to describe bedrooms and bathrooms in its listings

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/us/ma...rnd/index.html


we're making so much progress!

What Exit? 29th June 2020 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1624186)
Texas realtor group says it will no longer use the word "master" to describe bedrooms and bathrooms in its listings

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/us/ma...rnd/index.html


we're making so much progress!

OK, that one is ridiculous with no ties to slavery at all. Primary is fine but Master did not need to be removed.

Jaglavak 29th June 2020 12:32 PM

I'm OK with it. That one has always struck me as little too reminiscent of how things actually were.
When they start re-labeling art masterpieces as reallyawesomegoodpieces then we'll talk.

SmartAleq 29th June 2020 12:38 PM

Especially since a masterpiece is the work you submit for judging in order to attain master craftsperson status and has nothing to do with slavery and the ownership of other humans. Apprentice --> Journeyman --> Master, that's how that goes.

PSXer 29th June 2020 12:45 PM

My dad is the master of the house that doesn't mean he owns me

InternetBrowser 29th June 2020 01:50 PM

I never paid attention to Aunt Jemima when buying syrup

C2H5OH 29th June 2020 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamonds2020 (Post 1619850)
So who will be the replacements on the Aunt Jemima syrup bottle and the tub of Land O' Lakes butter?

They missed one. <--- LOL's actual website.

Sputnik 29th June 2020 05:44 PM

YouTube is going a bit overboard. I watch a chess master's channel where he analyses tournament games. He just had a video pulled because he made a comment like "White is more powerful here" referring to the layout of the board. And a few other comments referencing black and white (the chess pieces). Of course, YouTube is an algorithm that looks for hate statements, and black and white comments apparently triggered it. He appealed and instantly lost. It wasn't until his followers started mailing YouTube that he was allowed to repost the video. I suppose chess pieces will have to be repainted gold and silver now just to be safe.

running coach 29th June 2020 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1624261)
I suppose chess pieces will have to be repainted gold and silver now just to be safe.

Burl Ives will rise from the grave to file a copyright infringement.

Zeener Diode 29th June 2020 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Exit? (Post 1624188)
OK, that one is ridiculous with no ties to slavery at all. Primary is fine but Master did not need to be removed.

"... In the primary bedroom where the vampires feast..."

Nope. It doesn't have the same meter.

PSXer 30th June 2020 09:56 AM

L'Oreal to remove words like 'whitening' and 'fair' from its products


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/busin...cts/index.html

C2H5OH 30th June 2020 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1624531)
L'Oreal to remove words like 'whitening' and 'fair' from its products


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/busin...cts/index.html

Reading that article, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of companies could save themselves a lot of bad PR shit if they'd just STFU, instead of trying to send 'topical' PR messages.

running coach 30th June 2020 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C2H5OH (Post 1624553)
Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1624531)
L'Oreal to remove words like 'whitening' and 'fair' from its products


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/busin...cts/index.html

Reading that article, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of companies could save themselves a lot of bad PR shit if they'd just STFU, instead of trying to send 'topical' PR messages.

Rat Diva is busy.

*clouts Alky with a relay baton*

hilarity n. suze 30th June 2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1624261)
... I suppose chess pieces will have to be repainted gold and silver now just to be safe.

My chess pieces are already gold and silver. Well, actually they are pewter and brass. The first discussion in any game is, "which one is white?"

Rebo 30th June 2020 11:43 AM

They're renaming John Wayne Airport, after his "white supremacy" interview in 1971 resurfaces.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/us/jo...ats/index.html

His son defends him, saying he wasn't racist.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...irport-renamed

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1619770)

Who has claimed that this will end racism? What is your actual point?

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicat (Post 1619777)
Shouldn't we get rid of the 130yo Quaker Oats image too? It's just as stereotypical as Auntie Jemima. As a distant descendant of Massachusetts Quakers, I'm deeply offended by this grinning oaf.

There's no equivalency here and you're not "offended," so what is your actual point? Do you think that Aunt Jemima was NOT an offensive stereotype? Is that your position? If not then what's with the bullshit whataboutism? Just say what you really want to say. Don't use code.

Jaglavak 30th June 2020 12:48 PM

Come on now, Ken.

Quote:

humor (noun) /ˈhjuː.mɚ/
The ability to be amused by something seen, heard, or thought about, sometimes causing you to smile or laugh, or the quality in something that causes such amusement.
Learn it, live it, love it.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1619805)
it's not racist it's just a picture of a black woman on the label

and it's a compliment because it implies black people are good at cooking

It's a classically racist Mammy stereotype. That stupid line about it being a "compliment" just show you up as what you really are. Why not just have the guts to own it?

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1620018)
I remember going to Sambo's was a a little kid. I liked the drawings and had no idea whatsoever what any of it meant.

Want to get horrified by another childhood icon? Check out Raggedy Ann and Andy.

I can remember going to Sambo's as a kid too, and seeing the drawings on the walls. I didn't know there was anything racist about it. I can actually remember getting read that book in school in first or second grade (that would have been the early 1970s in Louisiana), so I just saw the restaurant then as being no different than if if it was based on Disney characters or something, no different from Song of the South or Jungle Book images which were also ubiquitous and seen as innocuous at that time. I didn't know any of that stuff was racist when I was a kid because nobody ever talked about or pointed it out.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaglavak (Post 1624646)
Come on now, Ken.

Quote:

humor (noun) /ˈhjuː.mɚ/
The ability to be amused by something seen, heard, or thought about, sometimes causing you to smile or laugh, or the quality in something that causes such amusement.
Learn it, live it, love it.

I heard somebody at work just yesterday specifically saying that Quaker Oats should have to change too, and they were saying it unironically because they were offended that Aunt Jemima was changing. People are actually making argument seriously, not as a joke.

If the comparison is meant to be satirical, it doesn't work, because satire has to be based on some kind of truth. Satire show absurdity or flaw in a position. False equivalency always fails as satire because if the comparison is not valid then there's no truth being pointed out. What we are talking about here is not properly identifiable as "humor" so much as what we call a 'strawman fallacy." An absurd oversimplification is made, the oversimplification is exemplified with a false comparison and the false comparison is supposed to show that the initial position is absurd.

Aunt Jemima never offended me. I never gave it any thought at all, but as a white guy, I have the luxury of never having* to notice things like that. There are a million little micro-aggressions like that that black people have to deal with every day, a million encounters with enough ambiguity or deniability that make it not worth it to try to call out every individual case. It's a life of being constantly gaslighted and told things are not racist no matter how racist it looks. White people won't ever admit ANYTHING is racist and then when any specific example is called out, it's always immediately ridiculed as overly sensitive or paranoid or politically motivated or crazy. No one is allowed to admit anything is racist anymore without getting screamed at and called an "SJW" or a "virtue signaler" or a "white knight" or any of those other terms that, as far as I can tell, just means "not a sociopath."

Aunt Jemima chose to do this on their own anyway. What difference does it make if they choose to change it? Why does that make people mad?

C2H5OH 30th June 2020 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmiogenes (Post 1624642)
Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1619770)

Who has claimed that this will end racism? What is your actual point?

PSXer never actually HAS a point. He trolls. Exclusively.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1623105)
The Dixie Chicks are now just The Chicks

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status...568122881?s=21


racism is over but isn't that name still sexist?

Who said racism was over?

What is sexist about the name "Chicks?" If you are sincerely upset about it, you should start a petition. Tell us about your pain.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silenus (Post 1623366)
It's not like any of the band members is from The South.

Well, yeah, Texas is in the South, but the band was named after a Little Feat song anyway.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1624186)
Texas realtor group says it will no longer use the word "master" to describe bedrooms and bathrooms in its listings

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/us/ma...rnd/index.html


we're making so much progress!

But "Chicks" is offensive to you, huh? Make up your mind when end you;re going to troll from.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebo (Post 1624604)
They're renaming John Wayne Airport, after his "white supremacy" interview in 1971 resurfaces.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/us/jo...ats/index.html

His son defends him, saying he wasn't racist.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...irport-renamed

John Wayne was racist AF. Also his real name was "Marion" and he was a draft dodger.

Monstera deliciosa 30th June 2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmiogenes (Post 1624701)
Quote:

Originally Posted by PSXer (Post 1623105)
The Dixie Chicks are now just The Chicks

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status...568122881?s=21


racism is over but isn't that name still sexist?

Who said racism was over?

What is sexist about the name "Chicks?" If you are sincerely upset about it, you should start a petition. Tell us about your pain.

Repeat after me: Nothing PSXer says is ever serious. Trolling is his schtick and we put up with him because...well, I don't know why, but nothing he ever says is serious. If you want to pick an argument, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Shmiogenes 30th June 2020 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstera deliciosa (Post 1624706)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmiogenes (Post 1624701)
Who said racism was over?

What is sexist about the name "Chicks?" If you are sincerely upset about it, you should start a petition. Tell us about your pain.

Repeat after me: Nothing PSXer says is ever serious. Trolling is his schtick and we put up with him because...well, I don't know why, but nothing he ever says is serious. If you want to pick an argument, you are barking up the wrong tree.

OK, thanks. I'll ignore him from now on.

PSXer 30th June 2020 02:13 PM

you have to put up with me because Giraffe understands my ironic style of humor and likes me

Detroit Hoser 30th June 2020 02:15 PM

Yeah, he's like the cat who dribbles urine that we really should euthanize but we can't, because we're pretty sure the cat can't help but then again, who knows?


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