A Wizards True Name - Day 4
 

Day four sees the wizards well rested and spry after their short previous day. At breakfast they noticed one of their number was missing: guiri.

Guiri, aka Rip Burnham, a Town wizard is dead.

The hammer for today is 8.

The day will not be able to end at the usual time, as the moderator has a prior engagement on the 26th. The day will instead end on the 27th @ 7pm EDT.

I am mobile so just quick.

I had no result, not that it matters now.

No result on Dizzy.

Well, that's a surprise. First I thought either Scathach or one of Bufftabby/SisC would be dead. And second, that's yet a fifth surname.

No result on bufftabby.

No result on texcat

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Nothing on mahaloth

Barring someone coming in and admitting that they investigated TexCat as well last night, I'm going to

for now

SisterCoyote is Town.

So that's all of the Arks, except lightfoot. That leads me to believe that lightfoot is either scum, or hisher name match (assuming everyone has a match, which I would think they do) is scum hiding in one of the other name pools. With either of those scenarios, it seems like it would've been worthwhile for texcat to complete hisher "assigned" investigation of [b]lightfoot/b].

Texcat, please explain why you thought you not investigating at all was preferable to a potential "no result" (or even possibly a scum ID!) because I just don't see it.

I have to admit, this is super frustrating. Why have there been no matches in the RIP pool? Do we all have different last names?

I'm starting to wonder. Does this in any way mean a scum is likely in the Rip pool?

I said no result already, but if you did not see, I investigated guiri.

sorry, i was busy over the weekend and had no investigation. ironically, i therefore have: no result.

what's the case on Texcat?

I did not investigate last night because there are no Itos left for me to investigate. I had a Town result on Scathach N1 and No Result on Visor N2. I could have ventured into the Rip or Ark pools, but Guiri seemed to think it was better for the Rips to continue investigating themselves.

I know that Scathach's investigations were interfered with N2 and N3, and so I know that it was pointless for me to repeat from investigation of Visor from N2.

TexCat claims to have investigated me and gotten a town result n1. N2 and N3 I've attempted to investigate her and gotten no result so either she was lying or I was blocked twice.

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I'm not sure who visor investigated though as he's an Ito too so it is possible that I was blocked again

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First post Day3 at the time I thought - well of course- why would you say that ( as if Scum would not NK? we have nothing to stop them and they won't be hitting their own)
Last Night I was curious
And got no response
now - a second investigation of Tex by Scat got no result

What other investigation do you think scum would have blocked last night?

How do you know there are no Itos left? What makes you think scum are being truthful about their names? The investigation power seems to be for more than just to confirm Town; it should be used for scum hunting also. What harm would an investigation of lightfoot caused? I see absolutely no downside to investigating the designated candidate from outside your pool, while the downside to not investigating is that possible scum are going unchecked. I would expect a Townie to be scum hunting every chance they get. Why aren't you?

Lightfoot, I just went back to look. :smack: I totally missed that post by Guiri. Why didn't you point me to it last night? I made a plan to work Visor and me into the investigations and I thought Guiri shot it down and Giraffe said he didn't want me making plans so I just threw my hands up.

for now-

No result on Visor.

more to think about name pairings- which I will be doing

off to work for me

This is incredibly frustrating. We still have a shot here, but we need to be using all of our resources, i.e. our investigations. You even posted last Night. Come on now.

Remember that we don't know anything about the game setup: maybe the Rip pool are all the Townies who match scum, and we've been spinning our wheels trying to match each other? The Arks and/or Itos could effectively be the Masons, pairs of Townies who can confirm each other but not find scum. Each of those pools is large enough that it could take a few Nights to find your pair.

I suspect we've confirmed all the Town we're going to. toNight, I think we should go for a complete random attack: one of our confirmed Townies can either set the order or use random.org to set it and see if we can't find some scum.

This bothers me. I've been sick and was busy over the weekend and I managed to get an investigation in on Mrs. M that, unfortunately, came back No Result so we don't match on some factor.

But you didn't even get something in before you left? And with posting multiple times at Night?

:dubious:

OOG: I am, in fact, STILL sick and it's really starting to piss me off. I managed to knock down the eye infection but the throat infection is still there AND the other ear has decided it wanted to play, too.

Lightfoot made a good case Yesterday. I just wish Colby hadn't made it look like the case on him was better.

@bufftabby

Could you point me to your breadcrumbs, please and thankyou. :)

Yes, I can give links after work. (Tapatalking now) But I remember my main crumb pretty specifically, I said I wanted to keep furthers details of my name "in the dark". You'll note that my name is quite literally *in* the word dark.

Honestly, I have no idea and can't even argue against my lynch. I'm surprised that not only have we not killed a scum, but that we haven't even found one in our investigations. Massive bad luck for us town players.

It's a total shot in the dark from me at this point. I have no idea who to lynch.

This is a very weird post to me. It feels like scum-bragging, almost, with a dash of "you guys lead the lynch and I'll follow". There is quite a bit of data at this point, so not being able to find a lynch candidate is absolutely bizarre to me.

Between this and mixing up your name claim during the early Days, I think you're a good lynch for toDay.

OK, I'm now waffling between TexCat and Mahaloth. After claiming an investigation of Scathach as Town, we've had two Nights in a row where Scathach got No Result on TexCat. Scathach is scum only if TexCat is also scum (which would be a bizarre play), so for now let's take it as given that Scathach is Town. If TexCat is Town, someone else has investigated them both Nights. Unless Town comes forward, that has to be scum, which means scum used their only investigation power for two out of three Nights to muddy the waters around TexCat. Why? As stated, there's no scenario where one can reasonably suppose Scathach is scum, so all this gains scum is getting a Town player lynched -- why wouldn't they just NK TexCat instead?

Did TexCat ever breadcrumb her name? TexCat, can you point me to said breadcrumb if it exists?

Yep, I'd rather have my vote on TexCat for now. I believe Scathach to be Town and Town has reported results that are inconsistent with TexCat's claims.

No, I never breadcrumbed my name. I was the first to announce that my name contained 3 letters. Where do you think scum's investigation has been the last two nights? What investigation would you block if you were scum?

I don't know, but why do you assume the scum wouldn't be using their investigative power to actually investigate and try to learn Town's names? If the only value of scum investigations was to block Town investigations, why even give scum an investigation, why not just give them a block?

Looking back at Day one, I see where you claimed -- it was a quick "me too" after Bill's name claim:
Note that all Mahaloth said was that he'd investigate Bill, which you took to mean he was definitely an Ito. Not a huge leap, but you didn't think to confirm that he wasn't just being dubious of Bill's claim? If you two were talking off-board, that could have been you overeagerly telegraphing a previously constructed plan of claiming the first name anyone mentioned. (I'll note you were also one of the early proponents of a name claim.)

Do you think I made a lucky guess when I said my name was 3 letters? Why would I risk that if I were scum?

I'm sure that scum has used their investigation to block Scathach's investigation of me. I don't need to speculate about it. And the obvious intent of that is to prevent another confirmed townie and to get me mislynched. Have you fallen into their mislynch trap? Or as I am beginning to suspect, did you set up the trap?

Why would a town Mahaloth who knew his name to be Rip, try to investigate someone who claimed Ito?

Mistake, I guess. I ended up investigating Mcginty, only because the other claimed rips were taken.

Scum have to lie about their first names because they don't know them. Just because someone claims to be a rip doesn't mean they're not really an Ito.


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I meant the other way around - stupid phone typing

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These were not rhetorical questions. Stop evading.

YSWIDT?

I don't think you made a lucky guess, but knowing that the first names have three letters doesn't make you Town. Perhaps scum were told all the first names had three letters to help them make up a plausible fake in the event of a name claim?

As for a mislynch trap, that was originally why I favored Mahaloth over you for toDay's lynch: because investigations cancel, we can't ever be sure scum aren't manipulating one result / Night. But writing out my argument against you, I realized that Scathach has to be Town regardless of your alignment:

Case 1: you are both Town
You got lucky and found another Townie on the first Night. Scum used their investigation to block you the next two Nights.

Case 2: you are Town, Scathach is scum
You wouldn't have gotten a Town result on him, i.e. impossible.

Case 3: you are scum, Scathach is Town
You don't know your first name, but say you matched a Town player to take name-not-knowing heat off yourself.

Case 4: you are both scum
The two of you decide to claim that you found Scathach to be Town on Night 1, but then have Scathach claim that you're lying on Nights 2 and 3. I guess it's possible Scathach convinced you to do this to give him Town credit, but I think it's so unlikely as to essentially be impossible.

With Scathach 99.99% likely to be Town, that changes the narrative from "scum are trying to keep two players from confirming each other" to "scum are trying to keep me from being confirmed". It's possible, yes, but I think it's unlikely enough to make you a good lynch.

Mahaloth is my second highest scum candidate, so you'll get no argument from me that it looks scummy. You could also very easily be scumbuddies.

all 3 of the current vote carriers have made sufficient errors to warrant the vote.

Texcat not leaving a breadcrumb- choosing the first name outed-unscanable by their supposed mate ( twice) choosing not to investigate last Night- with a target -

Mahaloth name confusion- not sure if 'e breadcrumbed until pushed ( after the name was known)

Gnarlycharlie championed Colby after the Lynch- ( do I need to link to that exchange?)-neglecting to investigate last Night-with a target

charlie did you breadcrumb? I forget


did I miss anything?
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additionally
visor you were suggested by Tex to not investigate ( did you ?)

Chaos has not posted toDay anything on gnarly?

all living players have claimed a first name- they are not all Town- cross examinations are in order- and I do agree a semi confirmed Town ( not confirmed until they are dead of course) should lead the charge

you posted in the Night thread after guiri posted and I did call you on it

Yep, I saw you asking why I wasn't investigating anyone, and I thought I had just explained. I just missed the tail end of Guiri's post. I wish you had just asked me why I wasn't investigating you as Guiri suggested.

If you are town, you know that I would have received No Result. So I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal out of this.

I did not investigate anyone as asked.

I think gnarly probably would've just claimed no result if he was mafia, I don't really agree with the line of reasoning that is voting him for not submitting at this stage anyway.

seriously? i miss one Night and you're taking me to task for that? i have been more participative than other players. i posted BEFORE the final list for investigations came out. i had family matters to attend to and being in opposite time zones didn't help either. this will be the LAST time i will address this issue.

you're wasting your vote. see my reply above to see my explanation. i was busy AND not at home. perhaps in your part of the world internet connection is available everywhere. not so here. furthermore, guiri and i had a handshake very early in the game.

i didn't champion Colby only AFTER the lynch. i've been saying it for Days. also i wouldn't say championed. that's a strong word with certain connotations. i prefer to say i made an argument for his towniness.

also if you have been truly paying attention, you will know that i dropped my breadcrumb in N1. or have you totally missed guiri's posts too.
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does anyone have a list of investigations of those with town results and who made them?

Sorry, my focus is distracted but I have done a bit of reading - ignoring most of the name stuff because I'm not good with those things, but I do see similarities to lightfoots scum game in the previous game. A lot of questioning, not a lot of leading. I'll quote some tomorrow night, I'm busy most of the day tomorrow.

re gnarly - i think buff found sisc town, i think scat found someone town.

gnarly charlie

Your arguments were most noticable after the fact= you made one post the Day he was lynched and did not mention him.

and since I double checked

gnarlys name clues Day one

the game has gone full. dead. stop.

who are we missing comments from?

yes them too Colby

there are more than 7 players left

@Chaos are you ok?

Nice job not replying to me lightfoot

and just what was I supposed to reply to?

- you voted me
-you are distracted
-you metagame ( which I didn't get)
- I am posting but not leading( and have you read my posts?)
at least I have been posting.............y'know playing the game............


tada

Metagame what? I noticed similarities with your scum game and mentioned them. The perfect response would be to show me you doing a bit more than lots of questioning. You like to have content without content. Lots of words, little actions.

While yes, I haven't exactly been a pinnacle of activity, I'm still here.

because of course a scum would want to make sure that all players had a spreadsheet that showed what every one claimed and investigated- yep I am a slacker- not questioning anyone- unlike your ever so helpful self


- I am being grouchy - not the games fault or yours-


_{he started it}

I'm surprised that you find the name thing too difficult. You're a smarter and more experienced player than me, and open set-ups are something I usually struggle with, but I didn't have any real problems with this.

I find myself wondering if you were just paralysed by indecision at the start (too many variables plus the possibility of exposure can do that to anyone), and have only picked up your involvement now that the town's organisers - Swammi and Guiri - are gone, and it looks as if the name claims won't prove quite as decisive as at first it seemed they might.

I think I have answered all of these, but let me repeat.
I only know that there are no more claimed Itos left. Scum cannot be truthful about their names since they don't know them. There was obviously no harm in investigating Lightfoot and I would have done so if I hadn't missed Guiri's assignment.

If MrsMcGinty is town, scum already know her name is Ark Steamer. If I am lynched, scum will know Scathach's name. If SisC and Buff are town, a NK of one of them will reveal the other's name. Scum does not need to use their investigations to learn town names. Scum has been blocking Scathach.

I was the first to say that my name was 3 letters. I left a hint that my name was the same as Bill's immediately after Bill claimed with my reference 139 to "To Tell the Truth" where the show started with 3 people all saying "My name is Ito". I wasn't planning on saying more, but when Gnarly voted Bill, I thought I needed to confirm Bill's claim.

I am confirmable and Scathach can confirm me, if scum allow her to do so. At least with me alive, we know where scum's investigation is going and they aren't interfering with anyone else.

Sorry I've been quiet; busy at work and then today is a hell of Dr appointments.

I thought you said

I meant I never left a clue like I'm in a shit of trouble. Bill outed our name fairly early on D1, before Swammi started the whole breadcrumbing thing.

I don't see the case on Texcat as strong enough to justify making him a serious lynch candidate just yet.

There are three possibilities:

1) He's town, and Scathach's reciprocal investigations have been blocked to prevent mutual confirmation.

2) He's scum, and claimed a successful investigation of Scathach to make himself look more innocent.

3) Both he and Scathach are scum, and he claimed a successful investigation to make the pair of them look more innocent.

To me, the first possibility seems plausible. For what I think are pretty obvious reasons, the scum wanted Swammi and Guiri dead asap, which would make blocking Scathach a no-brainer.

Moreover, we can see that, without confirmation, Texcat's claimed investigation hasn't done much for his town cred and, indeed, seems to have done more to make him a suspect. That much is, to my mind, quite predictable.

Now, of course, this doesn't write off the second and third possibilities - the scum might have felt they could rely on exactly the kind of defence I'm now putting up. But that still leaves us with the question of why they thought it worthwhile to take the risk of drawing more attention to one of their number, and also of tying him to another player so early on in the game.

Perhaps others can see something I can't here, but, whilst he should remain a suspect, Texcat looks to me like a bad lynch for today, especially when we've got other players around who did nothing at all to indicate they knew their names on day one, and have done little since to deserve any real town cred.

I don't think Texcat is very scummy. I think Visor is the better candidate for today

[vote]visorlash[\vote]

McGiny's post rings all of my sentiments on the matter

Mrs M, Dizzy

1. although not impossible- why the focus?
2. makes most sense to me
3. irrational- it should /would have been reciprocated if that were true



add to what I have already stated the " I didn't leave a clue" to " look see here is my clue"

if I am missing something please elaborate

My argument with #3 is that scum Scathach would have claimed a successful investigation right back on scum TexCat. I can't imagine a universe in which two scum decide to take the course of action most likely to get one or both of them lynched.

TexCat to me is more suspicious in this regard, jumping quickly on the first name claim that came out of the gate and following it up immediately with a claimed successful Night investigation. Even if you disregard Scathach's investigation results as possible scum manipulation, TexCat's actions feel much more like the sort of strategy scum who don't know their names would employ than Visorslash's behavior thus far. Visorslash has struck me as the lazy, non-participatory player you get when Town doesn't get an exciting role and just checks out of the game. While he could be scum, I feel like a scum Visorslash would try harder.

I'll add that I'm now thinking Mrs McGinty has a good chance of being scum as well. She claimed a positive Town investigation on Heterometrus on the same Night TexCat claimed one on Scathach: maybe scum decided to "prove" their knowledge of their first names by claiming to have the same one as a Town player. If TexCat flips scum, I'd argue she would be a good next lynch.

If a reciprocal investigation succeeded, then they'd have two townies who know each other innocent. In that case, killing either one would confirm the other. There's also the fact that people will inevitably find it suspicious that the reciprocal investigation has not succeeded, making Texcat a good chance for a mislynch.

That said, I could very well be wrong. I'm a pretty cautious scumbag, and lying about a successful scan on day 2 would strike me as carrying too many risks to be worthwhile. Since I don't really know the players around here - or the way in which scum tend to play on this forum - I can only make judgements on what seems rational to me, and not on how others are likely to behave based on prior experience.

And don't leave SisC and Buff out of this equation please. I keep wondering why Guiri was killed last night instead of Buff.

MrsMc & Dizzy, do you really think Visor is a better lynch than Mahaloth? I'm willing to go along with either one.

Yeah, that seems very unlikely. But I was listing the possibilities and, however unlikely, that is one of them.

This makes little sense to me, pushing the scum as having taken major risks for no obvious gain, whilst townies play cautious for, once again, no obvious gain.

The set-up with the names here looks to have posed an instant danger for the scum, whose lack of knowledge of their first names meant they could get caught out by the kind of gradual reveal strategy adopted by a decent chunk of the players (with all three of those nightkilled so far having championed that approach). To my mind, the most rational move for scum at the start of this game was either to try and disrupt any kind of mass claim, or simply to duck the issue altogether, in both cases hoping to try and make it past the next couple of days until they'd managed to do away with the town leaders and the remaining players had stopped focusing on the initial name claims quite so much.

I'd add that it's always worth bearing in mind that scum don't need to avoid looking suspicious - they just need to get other people lynched instead of them. The most reliable approach is often simply to ensure that they don't invite undue attention at the key moments, and just let other people make targets of themselves (in much the way that Zuma and Colby did here). By claiming successful investigations on day 2, Texcat and I inevitably invited attention on ourselves, and both of us have since acted in ways unlikely to let us fade into the background.

For my own part, I'm fully aware that being more talkative makes me much more likely to get lynched, whilst hiding in the background makes me much less so (especially on a forum where I'm virtually unknown - I survived to the end of a recent game at GitP by doing exactly that; I gave away absolutely nothing, and invited no suspicion at all, not catching a single vote until the penultimate day, when my scum buddies and I already had the game pretty much wrapped up).

As far as Texcat is concerned, I don't know his style, so I can't say if he'd have invited such attention as scum. All I know is that it would have been a bad move if he did. I will say, though, that I can quite believe a townie might have acted as he has, even up to admitting his failure to investigate last night, which was always likely to attract more suspicion than an easy 'no result' claim.

One more thing: Visor slacking off as a townie? I'll accept that it's possible, but I've played quite a few games with him and not seen that. And in a game where townie activity early on was pretty much essential to taking advantage of the set-up with the names, it strikes me as weird to say he looks more townie for being quiet.

I'd say they're both decent lynches. There's still plenty left of this day, though, so I wouldn't rush to bandwagon anybody too hard just yet. No sense risking another drop of the hammer.

Wrong game Colby...

i'm not against a Texcat lynch but i echo the sentiment that Lightfoot says a lot but really seem doesn't say anything.

Current vote count:
Three people still haven't voted (Chaos, Mahaloth and Dizzymrslizzy), but we have another ~30 hours or so.

@Dizzymrslizzy, the vote robot missed your voted for Visor, can you recast it to make sure it counts?

But as you say below, scum had to figure out a way to get around the name issue once the name claim idea got thrown around. What I'm suggesting as TexCat's (and perhaps your) early game scum strategy isn't a major risk for no reason, it's a rational way to spin an initial lack of knowledge into a possible quasi-confirmation.
See, this to me seems like a losing strategy for scum to take: hanging back and saying nothing while Town all confirm each other's name knowledge and then just hoping no one remembers to mention it again? That just seems cartoonishly bad.

Anyway, let's leave TexCat aside for a moment. Who else do you think is possible scum besides Visorslash? What are your thoughts on Mahaloth?

I'd also be ok with a Mahaloth lynch, I can see the name confusion thing that Lightfoot pointed out as being scummy dithering.

Visorslash I'm not sure what the case is exactly - is it just that he hasn't had much to say?

Chaos posted once yesterday and not at all today & I'm rather a fan of lynch-the-lurker.

In general though, I'm not sure why scum would bother deliberately blocking my investigation twice, there were other confirmed name matches they could have blocked?

You are bit off here buff/sis cross confirmed Town
Tex said they found Scat was Town ( no cross confirmation)

Popping in to apologize for my lack of activity the past couple RL days, work has been/is crazy. I will catch up tonight. Now, off to a lonnnnng meeting.

You know what's funny here? Both of us are saying people are less suspicious because we think the way they've been acting would be bad scum play, when, by definition, good scum play is about avoiding suspicion.

And this, I think, is why we love mafia. :D

I had him high on the list yesterday, but, scanning back over his posts, Mahaloth doesn't seem quite so scummy to me today. The apparent name confusion is a fairly major mark against him, but didn't Colby do something similar?

As for other possible scum, I'm paranoid enough to include more-or-less everyone.

Until bufftabby's result claim, I would probably have put Lightfoot as most likely town, but I'm rather less confident now. The same is true in reverse for SisterCoyote, who I had as quite suspect until the investigation claim. You, meanwhile, don't come off as all that scummy, but you do come off as smart enough to fake townie behaviour pretty effectively. Inactivity makes Chaos scummy in much the same way as it does Visor, albeit slightly less so as I can see him having just given up and stopped paying attention. And dizzymrslizzy I've hardly noticed at all despite her thirty-odd posts, which I guess would represent better play for scum than it would for town.

That's just off the top of my head. I'll need to spend a bit of time reading and making notes to speak with any more confidence. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow; probably not before this day ends, though.

I find your "hiding" comment a bit weird Mrs. because I feel like I have been out there and scum hunting and helping come up with investigation targets for my group.

I didn't mean you've been hiding. I just meant that, for whatever reason, you haven't caught my attention.

Thank you for answering, but you said a lot while committing to very little. Let me put it another way: if you had to chose the lynches for the next three Days single-handledly based on only what you know right now, who would be your top three scum candidates for lynching? Who, specifically, do you think Town's highest probability lynches are?

I have to agree with these sentiments. I still don't like Texcat's failure to act and his evasion of my questions after that, but even if he is scum he is not the only one. Mahaloth's name-waffling doesn't sit right with me, and I agree with Giraffe that the following post seems pretty scummy to me:

So at this point, I could get behind a Mahaloth lynch as well. It seems like a lot of us are picking up on something being off with him/her.

And Mahaloth hasn't bothered to vote.

That's difficult. Very difficult. Scum hunting needs to be taken a day at a time. And, without a proper review of the thread, I've not got much of a handle on who breadcrumbed when, and how the failed investigation claims stack up.

Nevertheless, if I had to lynch three players right now...

Visor's the only call I have any shred of confidence in, so he's one.

Chaos because inactivity means he's not helping either way.

For the third, I guess Mahaloth. Scanning back over his posts reduced my suspicions, but the name thing still looks bad. The fact we've already lynched two players for being a bit hapless is the main thing giving me pause right now.

What about you?

I think it is Texcat and Mcginty. Vibe. I accept either's lynch.

Vote Texcat

For me, at this point the runaway vote on Texcat makes me very nervous. Tex is my number 1 suspect with Visor and Mahaloth being a close second. I've waffled back and forth over my thoughts about Mahaloth, at the moment I'm leaning back towards scummy.

Texcat makes me nervous also, but the lack of a runner up candidate, when there's a whole Scum team out there scares me. We've (Town) have played really poorly up until now. We don't have many "clears" (Investigated Town incase my verbage confuses people) and we haven't caught a scum yet.

Here's another suggestion for tonight at least. Scum knew that we were all trying to pair off. Why not throw themselves in pools where they knew they wouldn't get caught. Put a RIP in with the ARK and an ITO in with the RIPs. They would come up with No result, and look nice and clean and Townie for participating in the whole charade. So that's why Texcat not wanting to investigate people last night and going forward is flawed at best.

Dizzy, Yes, I made a mistake. If I were scum I wouldn't have announced it. I would have just told everyone I got no result.

As a number of scum are obviously doing.

If I had to off three people all at once, I'd go TexCat, Mahaloth and you. I think that would net 1-3 scum. If I was going sequentially, I'd start with TexCat and then lynch you if she flipped scum, probably Mahaloth if she flipped Town. It would depend on how the voting went down, though.

I agree completely, I think we should start doing random investigations (see my post #23 earlier in this thread). I think we've cleared all the Town we're going to at this point, all of our investigative powers should be now spent on finding scum.

Except Scum didn't know going in what their name was ( maybe some do now- since we don't know what sort of results they can get/ have gotten)

I do agree- as stated before- cross clique investigations are our best solution now.

When does Day end? I'm at work but I'd like to make sure to be around the last couple hours if I can.

I find myself in the strange position of hoping Texcat is scum, even though it will first make me into lynchbait, and then make me look rather foolish for having defended him.

7pm EDT today, i.e. a little over five hours from now. Current vote count:

I believe everyone has voted except Chaos.

My last plea to town. Don't lynch me. I am town. If scum started with 4 players, this is town's last mislynch. You'll need to be perfect from here on out to win.

I was the first to disclose that my name had 3 letters.
I was the first to suggest reverse investigations. I wanted to be confirmed by Scathach. I have confirmed that Scathach is town, and am confirmable by her if only scum will quit interfering. There have been no other matches amongst the Ito's. It should seem likely that Scathach and I are a match.

Things town will learn from my lynch:
Scathach's name. Oh, wait this is useful only to scum.
Scathach is indisputably town.
Her investigation was blocked N2 & N3. All other investigations therefore were not blocked.

My best guess for the 4 scum: Visorslash, SisC, Buff, Giraffe

The good news about me being town for you, MrsMc, is that you won't be the day kill today.

That's a very slender silver lining.

I find Texcat oddly compelling and am impressed if I have been fooled.

unvote Texcat

Vote Visorslash

OK, I'm 99% certain you're scum at this point, but I've still got to ask:

You believe Town should refrain from lynching you, solely on the grounds that you knew your first name had three letters in it and your claim that you successfully investigated Scathach, despite his failure to confirm you two Nights running. You also believe that bufftabby is one of the most likely players to be scum, despite her unambiguous N1 breadcrumb of her actual name (see post #40, toDay) and her successful confirmation by Sister Coyote (using an investigation order set by swammi on N2). How did scum bufftabby manage all this? How did she know the name Ark on N1, before it was claimed or any investigation results came out?

Feel free to also explain how I knew my name started with R, spotted guiri's N0 breadcrumb, and named our name first. I mean, it's no "three letters" but it's still something, right?

Swammi had managed to piece together the clues to the Rip name long before you said it. You could easily have figured it out the same way. I didn't like the way that you started today voting for Mahaloth, but switched over to me in the very next post with the explanation of "OK I'm now waffling". Now? You voted Mahaloth minutes ago. Literally nothing has happened in the meantime, but now you're waffling?

You call Bufftabby's breadcrumb unambiguous, but I might call it lucky coincidence. I haven't gone back to research like I would before I actually voted. I was just leaving my impressions. I'm hung up on the fact that Guiri was killed last night instead of Buff.

I know I'm not innocent.

Mrs McGinty from the heart of hell I stab at thee, Ark Steamer!

Goodbye Winston. You fucking nailed me.

Wow.

Bit of an awkward silence after that I suppose. :D

Spoiler alert: I think Visorslash might be scum.

Yeah, that's an awful bold move if he isn't.

I'm actually a town dayvig guys. Don't sweat it.

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NIght 4 is up!