Deadpool's Derivative Detention
 

Day 1

Inside the detention hall of GB School 20, a man in a red and black jumpsuit and mask sat at his desk twiddling his thumbs as he looked around the empty room. After a minute or so of waiting, he then stands up and -

“Alright, alright! Enough with the opening exposition, Narrator Guy!” Deadpool exclaimed as he came around to the front of his desk. He then leaped on top of it and immediately sat down, legs crossed and then reached down and grabbed a small remote device off the desk.

“I’ll take over from here, OK? You just do your whole narrating thing when I’m not talking. For right now, I see a red button on this thing and I - well, I just can’t resist. I have to press it!”

Within a second after he presses the button, there is a flash of light around one of the empty desks and then a small man appears in the seat. He’s dressed in a beige shirt with a green cloak pinned around his neck. He looks around the room and then sees Deadpool and he sits up straighter in the chair.

“Who are you? What is this place? Where’s Sam?” Frodo Baggins exclaims.

Deadpool claps his hands together giddily and says, “Oh Joy! My own little hobbitses. Welcome to my detention center, Frodo. I’ll explain everything else in a moment, but first, let me push this button some more.”

Each time he presses the button, a new figure appears in a flash in one of the remaining thirteen desks in the room, until all fourteen are full. At one of the desks, Donald Trump sits with his face looking down at his cell phone in his hand, not even noticing his whereabouts.

“Excuse me, Donny,” Deadpool says politely. “If you put your phone down for a second and stop tweeting, we can begin.”

Trump looks up and then realizes he is no longer in the Oval Office. “Wait a minute. Who are you? You look familiar. Aren’t you one of those comic book guys from DC or whatever?”

“Actually, he’s from Marvel, um, ah, Mr. President,” replies Ellen Degeneres from one of the other desks. “But it’s ok, I know you aren’t uh - you aren’t in touch with that kind of thing, so …”

“Ellen Degeneres?” Trump says as he realizes who spoke to him. “What are you doing here? Where are we?”

“I was trying to answer that, Donny, but Ellen cut me off. Very rude, Ellen. Bad girl.” Deadpool says.

“Sorry Deadpool, or, or is it Ryan?” Ellen asks with a smile on her face. “I mean, you are Ryan Reynolds, right? Is this some kind of Marvel publicity thing, or what?”

“Ah ah ah, Ellen,” Deadpool replies. “Ryan is just my pet name.” He then gestures towards the whole room of people. “You all may just call me Deadpool, or DP, if you’re into that sort of thing. You know what I’m talking about, don’t ya, Austin?”

“Yeah baby!” Exclaims Austin Powers who smiles excitedly. “DP is my bag, baby, yeah.”

“That's right you sexy British bastard. SO! Anyway … You all are here because I chose you for my fun times, or because you have done some bad things. Some are even really bad, like being a horrible president that is mocked all over the world.”

Trump looks up from his phone and says, ”How dare you. You have no idea how much power I have. I can - “

“Shoosh you! The grownups are talking,” Deadpool interrupts. “Besides, you have no power here. I’m freaking Deadpool. This is my game. My rules, and I’m in charge. Don’t you know anything about me. I can do whatever I want.”

In one of the back seats, Frodo sat quietly trying to figure out what exactly was going on. As he sat nervously, he felt a tap on his shoulder and he turned to see his companion from his journey, Boromir, sitting behind him.

“Boromir! You’re here as well? How did we get here?”

“Shhh Frodo,” Boromir said quietly. “I’ve no idea how we came to be in this place, but we’d best keep quiet, so as to not draw attention to ourselves. You’ve still got the ring, don’t you?”

Frodo reached up to the chain around his neck and clasped the ring that was looped through it.

“I do, yes.”

“Good then. Keep it hidden. We can’t trust anyone around here. In fact,” he said as he held out his hand. “You can give it to me for safety.”

“The ring will be just fine with me. Now lets see what we can figure out about our situation. It appears this man in red knows alot, so let's listen to him.”

Frodo slowly turned his gaze from Boromir and turned back towards the front where Deadpool was busy trying to place a toy car on top of a large man’s head.

“Backoff butthead!” Biff Tannen yelled as he knocked the car away. “You come near me again and you’ll be sorry.”

“I couldn’t help it, Biff, it’s just ... how do you get that flat top hair so … flat?” Deadpool asked.

“Can we get, like, get on with it, man,” said Jeff “The Dude” Lebowski as he leaned back in his chair and propped his leg over the desk. “I mean, I’m not gettin’ a very good vibe from this place, man. So tell us what’s going on.”

“It’s simple, Dude,” Deadpool answered. “Some of you guys are really bad and some of you aren’t. It’s up to all of you to figure out who’s the bad guys and who’s the good. It’s called Mafia. I’m sure Ken can tell you all about it. He’s the resident know it all and a TOTAL nerd, so I know he’s played it.”

“Actually, I have,” Ken Jennings replied with a proud smile on his face. “I can tell everyone if you want.”

“See there? I knew Jeopardy boy could be helpful.”

As Ken began to tell the rest of the group how the mafia game worked, Deadpool lounged on his back on his desk, casually tossing a grenade up into the air and catching it. Ignoring the rest of the room, Trump looked down at his phone and began a Google search, mumbling the words as he typed, “Who …. Is … deadpool ….. SEARCH.”

Gregory House turned away from Trump in frustrated disgust. “What an idiot,” he said as he began listening to Ken explain more about the game.

It is now Day 1. Please begin discussion and voting on who you wish to be expelled(lynched). The Day will continue through into the weekend and end on Sunday evening at 8PM EST.

Your suspects are ..

1. Santa is Sad
2. SNFaulkner
3. Sunny Daze
4. Hooker Chemical
5. Mahaloth
6. raventheif
7. Colby11
8. Vanta
9. Silverjan
10. Lightfoot
11. Karl Franz
12. Texcat
13. Sario
14. Personal

NOTE

This Day 1 narrative does not include every character. The rest will be mentioned or used as the other narratives are posted.

I didn't want to bog it down with 14 characters from the get go.

Play on!

Is detention still a thing?

I think it is if Deadpool says it's still a thing.

Detention?

Interesting cast of characters, even though we don’t have the full list yet.

We just need Alex Trebek as host instead lol. Or Dante should change his avatar to Deadpool

Done!

Never let it be said that I don't give the people what they want.:D

I mean, here we are, in detention, at Deadpool's behest. So it must still be a thing.

Are we gonna have to write thems about why we're here? Who's gonna make us?

<actually just posting to subscribe to thread>

I can confirm detention is still a thing. My kiddo has been sent. He quickly perfected the art of slipping out a side door and heading to the playground. Not that I would ever suggest doing that to Mr. Deadpool. I look forward to unmasking our villains.

(Unmasking. Trump. See what I did there?)

Imma vote the new guy...



...to welcome him to the club!

Or is it "her"?

Come on, guys. This is the first time I've ever played, and you want to kill me right off the bat? I weep. Vantablack tears.

Gonna hide under this desk here.

Not necessarily kill, per se. But perhaps to judge how you might react. We got a ways to go before the actual killing part.

I got my PM.

I don't even know what to post here. Im

I'm apparently pressing the post button before I'm finished. Where was I? Oh, yeah

I'm really excited to be playing Mafia again.

Dante do you need us to confirm receipt of role pm?

How quickly do I get lynched if I go back and try my "vote random until a better reason comes along" strategy that was so unpopular?

For some reason, it takes me forever to look at avatars. HC that's a very creepy avatar you've got there. I feel inspired to move on from my cute pooch.

Player list
1. Santa is Sad
2. SNFaulkner
3. Sunny Daze
4. Hooker Chemical
5. Mahaloth
6. raventheif
7. Colby11
8. Vanta
9. Silverjan
10. Lightfoot
11. Karl Franz
12. Texcat
13. Sario
14. Personal

Known Roles:
Frodo Baggins
Donald Trump
Ellen Degeneres
Austin Powers
Boromir
Biff Tannen
Jeff “The Dude” Lebowski
Ken Jennings
Gregory House

I am not requiring you to confirm if you received your roles. Although if you DIDN'T for some reason, please let me know.

I will admit that I've used it early in the game myself.

Personally, I'd rather use even the flimsiest, paper-thin, ridiculous excuse for an early Day one vote than use a random vote. Using a purely random vote eliminates a level of information, and Town needs every scrap of info we can get.

My theory is that I have no idea who is scum on Day 1, so I should vote random until I find a real candidate. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Here, I'll do it now:

I randomized the list and it came back:

1: 1. Santa is Sad 2: 4. Hooker Chemical 3: 5. Mahaloth 4: 10. Lightfoot 5: 12. Texcat 6: 2. SNFaulkner 7: 14. Personal 8: 6. raventheif 9: 13. Sario 10: 8. Vanta 11: 11. Karl Franz 12: 9. Silverjan 13: 3. Sunny Daze 14: 7. Colby11

Vote Santa is Sad

I don't think a random vote is any more likely to be correct than a vote for a reason on Day 1. But it doesn't put any real pressure on Scum if you happen to be correct, nor does it put any more pressure on you to actually make a case if you are Scum. So what's the point?

Sigh.

for being mean to the nrwcomer.

Hi. I transferred from Shermer High.

This exactly. Maha, I would really appreciate it if you would remove your random vote. I don't want to spend all Day debating the validity or utility of a random vote when we could actually be looking for scum.

Why?

Player list
1. Santa is Sad
2. SNFaulkner
3. Sunny Daze
4. Hooker Chemical
5. Mahaloth
6. raventheif
7. Colby11
8. Vanta
9. Silverjan
10. Lightfoot
11. Karl Franz
12. Texcat
13. Sario
14. Personal

Known Roles: (Better organized, and thoughts added)

Frodo Baggins
Boromir
So far, these two are the only ones from the same franchise. First thought is possible Masons. Although the mention of the One Ring is interesting.

Ellen Degeneres
Austin Powers
Jeff “The Dude” Lebowski
Ken Jennings
Gregory House - Seems obvious to me that this is a doctor.


Donald Trump
Biff Tannen

Further speculation: Austin Powers = Cop (I'm extending from him being a "spy"), Donald = Godfather, Biff = Bodyguard?

I'm having trouble with Ellen, the Dude, and Ken. Especially the Dude (no hard feelings - I hope you find your rug).

I have no idea what Frodo and Boromir are doing. Apparently not being noticed, if at all possible. Is there an actual "ring" type object? Does it have power?

So much to unpack.

Good question

Since you had not posted before Lightfoot I don't think it is that good of a question.

I just got here

I knew the game started some time today but not when

flimsy

so because I wasn't here yet, It is somehow Scummy?

can you elaborate?

Actually, that's the main reason I asked. LightFoot hadn't posted yet, but Personal just goes and drops a vote without saying why. That's very odd to me. I'd probably be willing to give Personal the benefit of the doubt if they had said that they would explain later, but they didn't even do that.

I didn't use the Scum word. You did.

We just went through this with Personal last game. Do we need to do it again?

Personal did this last game on Day 1. I am just surprised Lightfoot does not remember.

A vote generally means someone thinks you are Scum

what?

Let's not spend all Day discussing it, then. I'll move my vote when I see something I feel or think is scummy. Even if it applies no pressure to scum, it will still be great if we get one this way.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that I suggested you were Scummy for asking about Personal. I was simply wondering why you thought it was a good question given the previous game history.

He did it the game before that too. Maybe it's his signature move.

Meanwhile in Hell’s....


Oops wrong game lol

Vanta, this was your post, #14 in the game thread. You edited the post. Generally, editing a post is pretty frowned upon in mafia. Once you say something, its out there, no editing allowed. If you feel like you said something wrong, correct yourself in another post.

This is the way :D

Weeping in Mafia, however, is quite common.

As so many strong emotions are.

So anyway, Vanta, you'll see people start a post with NETA Not edited to add. Some people don't care about editing, but I find it's courteous not to edit.

And welcome to the game that's all about letting and trying to kill your friends! It's good, clean fun!

And an immediate example...

And welcome to the game that's all about lying and trying to kill your friends! It's good, clean fun!

Preview is my friend, autocorrect is my enemy, and I must remember those facts.

Your posts are funnier with autocorrect though.

Naked vote. I'm an exhibitionist.

Thanks, High King.

We're all pretty bizarre. Some of us are just better at hiding it, that's all.

The most frustrating game that you'll ever get addicted to. :D

There have been so many times that I have sworn I will never play again and yet there I go, signing up for the next one, all frustration from the last game forgotten.

Gooooooood Morning players!

It's time for a vote count! Let's do this!

Vanta - 1(SNF)
Santa is Sad - 1(Mahaloth)
SNFaulkner - 1(Texcat)
Lightfoot - 1(Personal)


Keep them votes coming in, people.

You're welcome, loyal subject of Fillory.

You forgot the vote for auto-correct :)

Please explain this, I was in knee jerk mode to vote because of it.

Any thoughts on this game?

I was just acknowledging her (?) avatar. Another pop culture reference.

Interesting. Very interesting.

Mahaloth -- your vote is very weak sauce. A bad vote is better than a random vote, because the reasons that make a bad vote appear bad may not be equally obvious to Town and Scum players. Watching different players debate a bad vote's merit gives us info. Watching different players ignore your random vote or rail against random votes in general isn’t nearly as helpful.

I mean, do we really even know that it's random? Maybe he just teasing us like God teased moses in the desert, looking for our reactions.

[Marge]Tested. God tested Moses, Homer.[/marge]

I missed this.

It wasn't mean. It was a loving welcome to our community!:science:

And how do you feel about Personal's vote? It might be random, it might not, we don't have a clue.

Naked vote as an opening gambit is pretty useless in my book. He's not really defending that vote so I don't place any more weight on it than I do SNF's vote.

I also don't think Mahaloth's vote is very scummy -- it seems like a null tell to me. But he raised a disucssion of the merit of that vote, so I replied.

Sure, sure it was. If I could only believe you.

I'm going to



until they give a reason for their vote.

When have I ever lied to you? Not counting all those times I was scum, of course...

Agreed, I think it's a null tell for mahaloth.

Well, the first time Personal did it, he was scum. He gets my vote for now. If he comes back and explains himself, I might move it.

Weren't you also scum?

Gotta find the mafs.

C'mon baby. Let's do the twist.

How do you find the mafs?

Exhibit A?

Hand count. I like it. That takes effort.

So many names I don't know. What is a Boromir?

Yeah, it is pretty bad.

Personal going along with it is enough of an issue for me to move my vote to a regular vote.

Unvote Santa is Sad

Vote Personal

A Lord of the Rings guy. A human. Part of the Fellowship. Don't get too hung up on it.

Usually you need to unvote first since it confuses the robot. Not sure if dante is relying on the robot or not though.

No, I don't use the robot. I prefer to do it by hand, as Personal noted. It's a habit.

I will have an updated count later on... Its dinner time.

So no unvote necessary, you're saying?

SNF, we have to stop meeting like this.

People we begin to talk.

I was SK. A team of my own.

Well, it is a Dante game. Do you think we'll get an Ivanka or Pence to go with Trump?

Good question. I'm thinking... not? Since the only other named scum is biff. Though I guess he was modeled after trump, but not really trump family.

I'm High King Margo of Fillory (from the Magicians, we had a mafia game) so if they recognized me, them I presume they are one of my subjects. (Note- not my character in this game, just my avatar)

Just a joke.

Good. No need for another pineapplegate.

The second time he did it, he was town.




for being the second to vote for a bad reason.

Opening Narrative Continuation


While Ken Jennings was laying down the rules on voting and roles in a mafia game, Logan Paul grew bored and decided to try his hand at introducing himself to the women in the room. He first turned towards the lean, yet muscular woman sitting in one of the back desks. She was busy carving words into the desk top with a hunting knife. She looked at him briefly and he gave her his best flirty smile and a wink.

"Not a chance, pretty boy," Sarah Connor said as she continued with her word carving. Logan scoffed at her and got up from his desk and walked over to the other young girl sitting in the front. She was busy taking notes as she listened intently to Ken.

" 'Sup cutie?" Logan said as he flipped his hair to the side. "You really taking notes for this shit? It's just a game ya know."

"I'm well aware that it's just a game," Velma Dinkley replied, her eyes never even looking up to him. "I happen to find it fascinating. Which is more than I can say about you."

Watching from another desk, Kano chuckled at Velma's remarks, "She got ya there, blondie."

"Whatever, bro," Logan replied as he walked back to his seat. "I can get better honeys than her any day."

"Right, I bet you could, lad," Kano smirked.

While all of this was going on, a tall figure stood off to the side, almost in the shadows. He gave Logan a stern look as he sat back in his desk. For a brief moment their eyes met and Logan appeared frightened. With a nervous grin, he turned his gaze away from Batman and decided to start listening to Ken after all.



Now all the characters have been introduced. Carry on, players.


Vanta = 1 (SNF)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Texcat)
Lightfoot = 1 (Personal)
Personal = 3 (Sario, Sunny, Mahaloth)
Sunny Daze = 1 (Hooker)

Is kano...from mortal combat? Or is there a real kano now that I'm too old to know about? Or too young?

Has there always been a kano?

Yes, it is Kano from Mortal Kombat.


Enjoy.

Very good. Though I still feel old for knowing it.

Got it, Coach.

"he" will do fine in place of "they"

Thank you.

Well, he answered so I will

This is a Dante game. Get a little hung up on who the characters are.

hell no. What a bizarre thing that was.

There are three votes on him (or were when you did this) and you pick me? You picked me for being "second" to vote. That's just bizarre.

I think we're about the same age, but I didn't know it. I've heard of Mortal Kombat, but never partaken.

Logan Paul is that YouTube guy right? Not the brother of the actor who was in the Fast and the Furious movies.

Random is the likely answer considering that Lightfoot had yet to post when Personal voted for her. He did this last game. So if he is Town we do sort of have a clue.

And I guess I'm too old to know it.:sciencefail: I think I've had to Google about half the people here.

Or is it the wine in front of you? Don't you think that if he's scum this game he'd play it the same way he did as town last game? Regardless, I still think it's antitown, and am tempted to vote there again.

I can see how a Scum Personal might try to emulate his previous Town game --but it did get him vigged last time.

It got him lynched the first time. It's an odd habit.

Kano
Velma Dinkley
Logan Paul

No idea. I'll have to look into them. I know of only one Velma. I suppose she may have had a last name. I think Shaggy did.

[QUOTE=Sunny Daze;1616097]I hope I don't have to watch some idiot YouTube influencer.

Retrying that quote.

I hope I don't have to watch some idiot YouTube influencer.

I think Sario might be Town btw. Gut read.

I don't know half the people on here either.

It is an odd habit, perhaps if he does it all the time it will become a null tell, like Mahaloth with his random votes. I don't think Personal has unvoted LightFoot yet so I am not sure if he intends to or which vote will count.

The trouble with tells in Mafia, whether they be Town tells or Scum tells, they become much less accurate tells once they are told.

Yes they do. I have been wondering though if there might be a pattern, you know, Personal did it once as scum, then as Town and now as scum again???

I would like to know why he does it. Is he just doing the random vote?

For knowing better.

Sario didn't play in either of the games. Plus, I think being the first to vote for a bad reason is less telling than piggybacking on a bad reason. As for you over Mahaloth, I could go either way but I have to start somewhere.

Updated Vote Count

Personal = 3 (Sario,Sunny,Mahaloth)
Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Texcat)
Vanta = 1 (SNF)

I unvoted Personal in post #101

Re-Updated Vote Count

Personal = 2 (Sunny,Mahaloth)
Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Texcat)
Vanta = 1 (SNF)

*thanks Sario

I think the time for joke votes is over so...



Now for a serious pressure vote...



Come on in! The paranoia pool is warm and getting warmer! Gives us your thoughts so far.

Is there any reason to pressure a newbie like this? I am surprised that you haven't omgused Texcat. When I was new I was known as FlakeyJan cos I never had a clue what was going on :).

If I didn't have something better to do, I'd definitely be omgusing tex.

Ah, okay, I think I sort of understand, maybe, perhaps.

I tend to feel a bit sorry for the newbies cos this can be a vicious game sometimes. (yes, I do exaggerate)

Do you consider this vote better than an OMGUS vote on TexCat because you think that Vanta Black is more likely to be scum, or because you value the pressure?

The latter. Which might result in the former. Or not.

I should know better?

You still haven't explained. Made a bunch of quips, but no explanation. My vote was initially a starting point, but a) you're pissing me off (my bad) and b) what - do you want to get lynched?

Anybody around?

What's up?

What's the difference between a joke vote and a serious pressure vote?

I just got off work. How are you this evening?

The only difference I see is because he said so.

I'm exhausted. I'm guessing you are too.

Maybe it’s just me, but I feel that the votes on Vanta Black is just poor playing. At least go after someone for a reason other than they’re new and haven’t contributed to the discussion.

Heck, I don’t know if I have even contributed much to said discussion to be honest

Yes. Friday night is still crazy at the grocery store, even with a pandemic.

1/Having never played this game before I do not get why SNF voted me, then unvoted me, then voted me again. It's true that I'm in detention for some unknown reason and that I have messed up by editing a post. Mia culpa. So kinda double detention. But...

2/Mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

Also I am not contributing because I'm just trying to figure all this out, having never played before. And there is so much that I could probably do wrong.

I'm Town reading Vanta pretty hard right now.

I get putting pressure on a newbie. If they are Scum they could well be a weaker link in the chain. Indeed we had a newbie here recently who had difficulty as Scum and eventually had to drop playing because of it. We are a friendly group, but you don't get a free ride because you are inexperienced.

That said, SNF saying his vote is now a pressure vote instead of a joke vote is strange because I do not think most newbies would understand the difference.

Thank you for speaking directly to me. You're the first one other than Sorio and the mod in 130 posts to do so. And, yes, you know better. You admitted it yourself.

I guess I don't mind the votes. I don't even mind the reasons given for the votes. They're data to be analyzed. That they're on a new player I think may say something about the voter. Not sure what yet. How the new player handles the votes is also noteworthy. I think Vanta has reacted well so far to someone wanting to fake kill them.

Don't worry too much about doing wrong in Mafia. After you play this game for a while you will find that doing wrong is pretty much par for the course. No matter how much you screw it up, I promise we've all done worse.

It just makes those few times you do it right all the more sweet.

Last game three out of four Scum voted for you on Day 1.

Shh...

So Vanta Black, tell us something about yourself. This is a social game, especially in the wee hours.

TMQ's game is in Night 4. Pretty intense.

I tried to follow his game, but the quantity of posting is overwhelming.

Yes, it's something that needs to be skimmed.

I'm off to bed. Have a good night.

You as well.

:thumbs:

I'm not town reading, but I think the post is justified. I'm not about to lynch the noob D1 on a flimsy basis when we have 2 candidates voting for a candidate they should know better on.

Santa, in all our rivalry (fated to be on opposing teams for our first year of mafia), we've never had an evening chat. You still 'round?

Taking that as a no. Night.

Sorry I missed you Hooker. I should be around again after work Saturday Night.

So have a tropical storm/hurricane heading my way so I'm going to drop this now



The way he seems to be tunneling on Vanta just for being new seems off to me.

Personal is also on my radar, but I think that's probably more due to difference in play style.

Other than those two, I'm curious about the players that we haven't heard much from yet.

I'll do my best to keep up today and tomorrow, but I may end up losing power for a couple days.

Stay safe.

I am willing to give Vanta a little bit of slack as a new player. However, I don't think I see enough reason to switch my vote to SNFaulkner. I think a scum player would not pursue Vanta like that.

So that is where I am at on that.

I know you know the difference. But for those that don't, a joke is a joke, you all know what that is. A pressure vote is a vote on someone to hopefully get a reaction.

Here's the thing, I already know your meta. Low posting is your thing. I was just trying get a baseline type of reading off Mr. Black.

Here we go! It's certainly normal to be confused. Don't feel bad about the editing thing. I think it's a dumb quasi-rule anyway. And an OhMyGodyoUSuck vote is reasonable for early days.

I hope I explained it sufficiently now.

Tunneling? Really? I just wanted a basic read on the guy and get him comfortable posting.

I hope you're sufficiently stocked as I am on stormy dark nights. However, because Arkansas is stupid churchy land, I still need to go to the store today for beer for tomorrow even though I have plenty for tonight. Ugh. I hate this place.

Mostly omgus. She was the first to vote me. I understand vanta's vote so unless he gives me good reason, I probably won't go back to him today. Dario, however, I'm not sure about. I might could switch to him. He's got two weak sauce strikes against him, my omgus and being the 3rd on a wagon.

Actually, I just talked myself into it.





For those things I just mentioned. Good to have you around again though, sir!

Good day, players. Hope you all are well. Sario, please stay safe!

Updated Vote Count

SNFaulkner = 3 (Texcat,Vanta,Sario)
Personal = 2 (Sunny,Mahaloth)
Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
Sario = 1 (SNF)


Players yet to vote, with a little over 24 hours left in the Day


Lightfoot
Karl Franz
Colby11
Santa is Sad
Silveerjan
Raventhief

I agree with almost all of this.




But I do hope the storm turns into just a little rain and you stay safe. Are you in New Orleans?

I will handle them in my own Deadpool type way, but rest assured someone will be expelled from the game if there is a tie.

In the NOLA vicinity.

And what specifically do agree and disagree with?

And that is why I didn’t vote for you, Mr. SNF. You know I don’t go for the knee jerk reaction

It concerns me when I find myself in agreement with Mahaloth, but I think this post is sound.

I don't have anything new to add other than I feel better about this assessment and voting for Sunny over Mahaloth.

Hooker, is your case on Sunny solely that she voted second on a bad case?

It started as 100% of the case. Now her reaction and lack of reaction is 25% of it. She reacted, but there's not much to the reaction, which feels wrong for her.

This makes sense as a reaction, but I don't see why when he continues a pattern he's exhibited as both scum and town it would draw a quick vote. It's fair to wonder WTF Personal is up to, but voting it is reading a tell into something that is NAI and she should know better.

Ok.

Also, Santa, I agree with you on this post and it makes me feel better about Sunny over Mahaloth.

The thing is, Day 1 votes are almost always bad, even if they are right.

I had a thought earlier today that seeing how we are all in detention, we should have to act like the characters in The Breakfast Club and be assigned a thousand word essay about Mafia. Then after everyone turns them in, we could vote based on the quality of our essays. But somehow I don't think that idea would catch on.

I've spend the the last two weeks responding gently to public comment with velvet gloves even when those comments are recursively wrong. I want to respond to one of these essays with guns blazing.

What do you do, may I ask? If you have told us before I sadly do not remember.

Mafia is good therapy. I find it a great way to release the frustrations I feel from having to be unflinchingly tactful in Customer Service all day.

I work in air quality. Part of my current job is responding to public comment on documents I contribute to. In previous positions, I could throw tact out the window and say that the analysis was not a reasonable professional analysis. I changed positions and have to be much more tactful now. It's less fun, but it forces me to be creative when telling people just how wrong they are.

I sometimes dream of being able to throw tact out the window. But having been a clueless customer myself at my car repair shop this past week, I can sympathize with how easy it is to be blissfully wrong.

Hooker, what do you think about the case against Sario?

I didn't follow the case until I reread to respond to your question. There's a typo in 169 that confused me until I remembered it was there. (Who's Dario, and why is he scummy?)

It's weak. SNF's vote is at least 50% OMGUS, so I discount it. Tex tags along for reasons. So let's look at Sario being the third SNF vote, since that seems to be the other 50% of SNF's case.

I think the case for voting SNF for the Vanta shade is weak. SNF's pursuit of Vanta is odd, but I'm miles away from voting him for it. Sario is a reasonable candidate IMO. Gun to head, he's behind Sunny and ahead of Mahaloth.

What are your thoughts on it?

Also, I'm probably not going to stay around much longer. It's bedtime.

In this post Sario speculated on Town roles, which doesn't seem like a good idea. If Personal is Town trying the same gambit as last game, Scum probably wouldn't fall for it a second time. Except Sario was not in the last game, so he wouldn't know.

All right, are we supposed to act like our assigned characters? I know we can't come right out and say who we are. I know a lot of these characters would be trivially easy to fake, at least for someone familiar with their universe. Like, I had to google a couple of them (along with OMGUS and masons, I might add).

I don't think we can talk about our assigned characters.

I disagree, though I don't feel strongly about it. Speculating in the main thread lets everybody know what you're thinking. Scum would probably keep that in scumchat. "Psst, Trump, let's you and me claim masons as Frodo and Boromir on D3."

I think that would be a horrible play, mind you. Fake claiming named masons seems doomed to failure.

Point taken.

I think it is now my bedtime too.

Vanta, I would like to hear your fresh perspective thoughts on the players in our game. I have an early Town read on you. Also, a little real biography would be fun.

Glad you are joining us.

Well. So far, and despite putting me up first for the lynch, I think SNF is town.

I am wondering if this game rewards bad behavior, because I'm certainly capable of it! Well, I am in detention, after all, there must be some reason.

I have a theory, which I will expound upon later. If I survive.

I'm looking forward to hearing your theory.

I agree that faking masons would be a bad idea, even if they weren't lynched then we would have to wonder why scum didn't Nk either of them and then one of them would get lynched just to verify the claim.

I see raven is missing again, never a good sign. The last two games she went missing in she was scum.

I want to reiterate this. This is all very true.

I tried to tomorrow that and.... Whew. I don't think I'll ever be ready for a MU game. Or good enough for a championship game.

And soon after I post about you going missing, there you are :)

Hmmm....1000 word essay..... Do you really want to read that much fluff?

:Pppp


Here I am, and not scum this time. Working a bunch of OT, though, thanks massively maybe employer.

I hope the OT goes okay but........

NETA- I'm just trying to catch up after my twelve hour shifts before my six hour one today. I know, lots of people work a lot harder than that, but I'm still going to whine.

I know Jan, and I understand your feeling on the matter.

You're allowed to whine, are you allowed to wine though?

In a few hours I will be wining aplenty :wine:

Damn I tried to FOLLOW that.

That is something to take note of, it was an easy vote for scum at the time.

Anyway. The robot says there is currently a three way tie.

(And I know Dante hand counts, but I THINK this is right?)

Personal (2): Sario (70)[101], Sunny Daze (73), Mahaloth (81)
Sunny Daze (2): HookerChemical (92), Personal (119)
Sario (2): SNFaulkner (170), TexCat (173)
Snfaulkner (1): TexCat (28)[173], Vanta Black (139)[194], Sario (159)

I think I understand what personal is doing. But I agree with something Karl said about mahaloth's random vote plan:

If it is random (and considering he voted for Lightfoot when she hasn't posted yet, i think it has to be) than it sparks a discussion about random votes or people ignoring them- which is different from sparking conversations about reasons for votes.

But! Then he voted for Sunny because she submitted know better. An actual reason to discuss, even if he shushed Santa about it. HC though voted sunny for... Being 2nd to vote for an apparent random voting scheme?

(though Karl was speaking of mahaloth, I am extrapolating the same reason to personal's voting)

Jan you are in another country! How do we keep posting at the same time?

Cos you must keep funny hours lol. It is 5pm here but I often get up at about 4 or 5 am and then you must still be awake.

What do you think about the votes on Sunny. I know Personal said that Sunny should know better than to vote for him for his naked votes but he has done that as scum before. Is it perhaps an easy vote on Sunny?

What about Texcat changing her vote from SNF to joining him in a vote?

I'm not sure it's an easy vote, exactly... I can see voting for someone for random voting, but as I said I think I understand why he's doing it.

I'm still kind of pondering that, it seems like two votes traded for reasons I can understand but are both kind of flimsy.

As Santa indicated and you acknowledged, last game, 3 of 4 scum voted for me based on that random strategy that I employed last game. I've had three votes this game, Sario, Sunny Daze and Mahaloth. Two of the three were in those last two games, and those two have used random voting strats themselves. Here's my case on Sunny:

Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1615784) Quote: Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 1615774) How quickly do I get lynched if I go back and try my "vote random until a better reason comes along" strategy that was so unpopular? I will admit that I've used it early in the game myself. Here she admits to using random voting before. Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1615831) Quote: Originally Posted by Santa is Sad (Post 1615827) Personal did this last game on Day 1. I am just surprised Lightfoot does not remember. He did it the game before that too. Maybe it's his signature move. She acknowledges that I've done this at least the past two games. Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1616018) Well, the first time Personal did it, he was scum. He gets my vote for now. If he comes back and explains himself, I might move it. She understands that last time I did it I was, in fact, Town. So it really shouldn't be AI. Quote: Originally Posted by Personal (Post 1616024) Quote: Originally Posted by Sario (Post 1615804) Why? How do you find the mafs? I explain to Sario that I'm scum hunting. Quote: Originally Posted by Sario (Post 1616076) Quote: Originally Posted by Personal (Post 1616024) How do you find the mafs? Well, he answered so I will Sario acknowledges the answer. Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1616116) It got him lynched the first time. It's an odd habit. Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1616145) I would like to know why he does it. Is he just doing the random vote? We all know that Sunny's pretty damn sharp. There's no need to play connect the dots here. Anyway, why has Sunny employed a random vote strategy in the past? Maybe share that to inform voter decision-making? This question seems designed to mask intentional obtuseness while contributing to or promoting Town paranoia. Quote: Originally Posted by Personal (Post 1616183) For knowing better. Quote: Originally Posted by Sunny Daze (Post 1616351) Quote: Originally Posted by Personal (Post 1616183) For knowing better. I should know better? You still haven't explained. Made a bunch of quips, but no explanation. My vote was initially a starting point, but a) you're pissing me off (my bad) and b) what - do you want to get lynched? Her reaction is disproportionate to the situation. She's been voted in this game before, and she surely knows why she's being voted by me this game.

Keep in mind that Sunny is aware of HookerChemical's commentary sprinkled in here as well. HC further explained that Sario voting for me was understandable given the lack of meta, but Sunny doesn't have that excuse. I agree with this analysis.

Sario also said that a vote for the slimmest of reasons is better than a random vote. I disagree, but after I responded to Sario's question as to why I voted for LightFoot that I was scum hunting, Sario pulled the vote on me. I lean Town on Sario not for unvoting me but for the act of reconsidering the vote. And Sario does not have the meta on me that Sunny does. In Sunny's case, on the other hand, the random vote looks like a pretext to vote me, which is exactly what happened Day 1 last game.

Sunny looks like caught mafia to me.

Do you think she would, as scum, be caught out by the exact same technique that yielded results for you last game?

Ignoring the part about the 1000 word essays, which FTR would probably be bad, but might be funny, I wanted to note that I also find that Day 1 votes are almost always bad. This leaves me stuck on evidence points that grow less important as the game progresses. I do not know how people generally vote on the second or third Day, for example.

Well, as I said above, first day votes are almost always flimsy, IMO.

Thank you for finally explaining yourself. Really, thank you. The naked vote and vaguely fluffy answers were driving me nuts.

Also, I do usually try to avoid the epic meltdown I had a few games back.

I am going to unvote Personal, who finally seemed to take things more seriously. I don't like the vote on Sario. I'm moving my vote to HC. Voting for me for being "second" is strange.

You mean that you agree with SNF's omgus vote and a debunked 3rd vote on a wagon? What happened to your previous suspicion of SNF, what did SNF do to eradicate that suspicion so much that you follwed him in a vote. I do find this curious.

Hello all!

Updated Vote Count

Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
Sario = 2 (SNF,Texcat)
HookerChemical = 1 (Sunny)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Sario)
Personal = 1 (Mahaloth)
Texcat = 1 (Silverjan)


5 Hours remain in the Day Phase. Still missing votes from :

Lightfoot
Vanta Black
Karl Franz
Colby11
Santa is Sad
Raventhief

That means it will be 1 am here, in the last game it was about 3 am, it's sad, I might have to emigrate :)

No, I mean that Sario's exaggeration of SNF's play is suspicious.
I wouldn't characterize SNF's play as tunneling. And he explained a long time ago that his vote was no longer for being new.

NETA: My vote on SNF was because he was being mean to the newbie. Not because I had any suspicion/evidence that it was scummy.

I agree that tunneling is too strong a word for SNF's actions, however I was more concerned with getting the post out in case I lost access then finding just the right verbiage.

Having a hard time seeing this as legit suspicion of SNF.

(Vote broken to make it easier on Deadpool's counting fingers)

Legitimate question I'd like everyone's opinion on: Do you think it's better to leave a vote on someone your not really sure of or go into EOD with no vote?

Personally I think I'd rather stay with an unsure vote, as I think that gives more/better reads then going with no vote.

Also, does anyone have a post count that they could share?

I'd prefer an uncertain vote I think. I'm never certain, especially on day 1.

'Ere ya go...


Who Posted?
Total Posts: 233
User Name Posts
Santa is Sad 34
SNFaulkner 29
Personal 27
raventhief 23
Silverjan 21
HookerChemical 18
Sario 18
Dante G 17
Sunny Daze 13
Vanta Black 8
TexCat 8
Mahaloth 5
LightFoot 5
Colby11 4
Karl Franz 3

Oh, and my opinion on unsure votes vs no vote. I'd rather you vote for no lynch rather than just not vote. But if I'm really unsure and no lynch is not a good tactic for the particular set up, then I'll try to make ties to see what happens.

I generally try to follow my belief about the guilt or innocence of someone. Day 1 is hard.

Always vote by end of day, ideally with time for people to discuss your vote. I have probably only missed voting on a Day a very small amount of times in my mafia-life. I believe the last time I did not vote, it was commented on by others as unusual because I always vote.

Come on, you not-yet-voting bastards! You all make me sick!

I always make you sick, SNF.

Most people make me sick most of the time.

Based on what I think is going on, which is almost undoubtedly wrong...

[vote]vote sario[/unvote]

So her timing on voting remains 75% of your reason for voting? Oh you aren't going to like this...



NB - I'm going back to work for a bit but I'll be back before EoD in case anything (including my mind, or state of sobriety) changes.

/grrrr

All right folks, I did not edit. I thought I hit preview. I did not. Another fuckup for Vanta.



This is based on the fact that I think SNF is okay despite his hazing of moi. And Sario voted for SNF.

BTW I ain't writing no 1000-word essay.

Psst - you have vote on one side and unvote on the other side.

And I'm almost always wrong about what's going on, too! Welcome to the club!

/nevermind

Lol

On this, we can definitely agree.

Updated Vote Count

Sario = 3 (SNF,Texcat,Vanta)
Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
HookerChemical = 2 (Sunny,Raven)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Sario)
Personal = 1 (Mahaloth)
Texcat = 1 (Silverjan)

With 3 votes, Sario is set to be expelled from school unless things change in the next 2 hours.

I mean, I might make 200 posts of 5 words each....but i doubt the professor will count that.

Who are we missing? Lightfoot, sad sack, and cheeseman?

Crap, I thought we had until Monday. I am at work .

I am having trouble getting past the discussion of Doc and masons.

I can extend the Day for a few more hours if necessary. Or Monday AM.

What do you say?

Being the first to vote for a bad reason is not strongly alignment indicative. Scum are less enthusiastic to push new cases. In my experience, they're more likely to join other cases and they tend to join weak cases.

A couple of games back, I made an incredibly uncharacteristic naked vote then ducked for 24-48 hours to watch the reaction. I drew votes for my odd behavior, but you were the one I was most convinced was scum because your vote turned a couple of votes on me into a real thread. The same theory applies here.

As for "Why Sunny and not Mahaloth?" At the time it was a toss up between the two. I'm more convinced that she's scummy based on her reaction. Her characterization of my reason for voting for the second person on a train as "strange" seems disingenuous. There have been metas where the rule of thumb that the n-th person on a train is scummy, and I'm pretty sure she's been playing long enough to know of them.

I'm fine with a day extension. I just got off work, so I'm settling in with my deerstalker and w(h)ine.

Updated Vote Count

Sario = 4 (SNF,Texcat,Vanta,Santa)
Sunny Daze = 2 (Hooker,Personal)
HookerChemical = 2 (Sunny,Raven)
SNFaulkner = 1 (Sario)
Personal = 1 (Mahaloth)
Texcat = 1 (Silverjan)

Less than an hour until end of Day 1.

I didn't why ask Sunny or Mahaloth. I thought "you voted second" is a weird rationalization for a vote. Now her reaction is... What, 25% of why you keep voting her?

The thing is, I can see being frustrated at random votes, so while I don't know if it's a good vote in terms of catching scum, but it's not an entirely bad vote in terms of "day 1, is random.org NAI, anti town, pro-scum, or what"? I can't really see random voting as protown, but I don't know it's it's AI.

GAME UPDATE

Sario has not posted since this afternoon, before he was in the running to be lynched. He had mentioned earlier that he may lose power due to the storms. In the interest of fairness, I am extending the Day phase until Monday(tomorrow) at 12 Noon EST.


I hope you all agree with my decision.

Thank you, peekercpa.

Regarding how long I've been playing, it's less than you think. I would be surprised if I've reached 10 games. I started with the mega game at the Dope, and then stopped for a while. My experience returning wasn't great, I can't remember why, but I think it likely had something to do with getting lynched early. I am very good at that. Dante had a game I joined and I enjoyed it so much that I've tried to stick with it since then, minus a few games here or there for IRL reasons. Which is a very long way of saying that I'm not familiar with that type of vote mechanic discussion. Or I can only count to 1. It's one of those (see what I did there).

peekercpa?

Anyway, OOG, I know the weather is rough out there for some of you. Take care and stay safe.

Peekercpa was a guy before my time even. I hear he was a helluva character.

So I guess that was...a compliment?

Way, way before my time too.

He was my favorite player and a great guy. Kind of nuts, died IRL way too young. A hilarious guy.

Sario must have lost power. He was engaged in the game and would probably not just quit whatever his alignment.

I hope he's ok

I was just looking at The Weather Channel and Windytv. I didn't realize conditions were so rough in some areas. Even if he has not lost power, an online Mafia game might not be a high priority at this time.

I like him too, he was a lot of fun.