I was boxed for forgetting it was 9/11?
 

This is ridiculous. BTW, here's the response I was writing to TVeblen that I couldn't post because I had been boxed while writing it.

This isn't a shtick. I watch a lot of cartoons because I have three kids in the house, about the only thing we watch besides DVSs is PBS Kids and Qubo, and neither one of them mentioned 9/11 coming up.

It's not that I don't care about 9/11, I can remember the day it happened clearly, and how I was stunned by it and the sadness didn't hit me until two days later, when I started crying in my cubicle at work after seeing a video of people jumping from the towers. I'm just not big on remembering anniversaries and I haven't been exposed to much media to remind me that it's coming up (though my wife did mention it last night when we watched a 30 Rock episode that referenced 9/11).

Maybe Veb thought you were being ignorant to the point of trolling. I don't know. I wouldn't have boxed you, either way.

ETA: Although this post certainly isn't going to help your cause.

I did find it disrespectul to use their names like that. I had already been reminded that it was 9/11, I know full well how many people died. Bufftabby was trying to be witty, edgy, or something by posting a complete list of those who died and did it in such a sloppy way that the names were jumbled together. I think it was an exploitive, prickish, "Me too" kind of post.

Uthrecht, if you read this, that was my first assumption as well, but I remembered that the flags were only to be flown at half mast until the end of August, so I thought the post office was making a mistake or had someone who worked there die since other flags I saw were not at half-mast.

This is the not-enough-rolleyes-in-the-world crap that got you Boxed.

Blather all your want. Your shit will just be confined to the Box for a few hours instead of all over the board.

I was being a bit sarcastic there, but at the same time I did not think about today being 9/11 until I had to use the date at work. If I'd seen a flag, I probably would have assumed it was with regards to Kennedy.

So, why was I boxed, was it for forgetting it was 9/11 like Uthrecht and and john ingram, or was it for finding bufftabby's posting of all the names disrespectful?

The tag is mine. Just FTR, so as not to be accused of anonymous snark.

Nah, you got boxed because you upset the tards out there who don't realize that all this overblown over-memorializing of this day is nothing more than fodder for the fear-mongers who continue to use 9/11 for their bullshit attacks on American rights and values as well as on the nations that we just don't like much.

But then, y'know, it's okay to start bullshit wars, to lock people up in prison camps, and to destroy the entire basis of our political system because people died!!!!! And we should NEVER forget!!!!!

I'll stay in the box until they let you out, out of solidarity. If only because I, too, forgot that I'm supposed to still be attaching significance to today and because I thought that bufftabby's post was eye-rollingly exploitative.


'Course, I'm at work and off to a meeting, so it's really not much of a punishment.

Cheers!

Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only sane person in the asylum.

Perhaps you were boxed because you asked a really really really stupid question?

You signed online when you got into work, and logged onto the Giraffe Boards yes? On virtually every single "welcome" page (whether it's the msn one, or yahoo, or aol or whatever) there's a little news section, with highlights of the days news. Rather than just read those (I'll give you an example - the one on the yahoo search page has the SECOND story about 9/11 remembrances occurring today. Oh, did I mention it's the UK yahoo page?) you decide to log in here, and take the time to post a new thread.

Gosh, I wonder ... were you expecting some kind of reaction?

ETA: it's not that you forgot the significance of today (that's understandable) but it's that you asked a stupid fucking question, and with your history, it's not difficult to suspect that you're trolling.

I totally agree with you, but I still think Badtz's constant "Who me?" bullshit is tiring. He's either a troll or he's socially clueless to the point of actual retardation.

ETA: I agree with you about the sentimentalizing, not about Badtz's motives, that is.

A thread in "Just the Facts" that asks who died, and I answered. Gee, I'm such a jerk.

Honestly? Do you really think that? Or are you winding us up?

My homepage is Google, which had nothing about it. My first stop when I got on the internet was to check Digg. I did not see any stories about a famous death (I was working under the assumption that someone important had died, which was the reason the flags were flying at half mast last time). I then came here and posted a question, figuring I'd get a speedy response.

No, it's not you. It's the hamster on your shoulder that urges you to murder.

Nah, it just whispers "shit steam pork boot".

Jesus, Veb, who lit the fuse on your tampon?

Look, I know that Badtz may be a troll at times (or may play one for LULZ) but you seem to have taken on the mantle of TubaDiva-hood in this case. BuffTabby was cutting-and-pasting for holier-than-thou-snark and frankly, Badtz was right -- she does no respect to anyone with that ill-formatted list of names.

Shit, I am agreeing with Badtz, Fuck it, I'm already in the Box

You're just making my point. Come a little closer to this wood chipper, wouldya?

I don't think the event is over-memorialized. It's the only event in history that did not directly affect me that made me cry, so obviously it's an important and emotional thing to the public, who in general are probably more emotional than I am. I forgot the anniversary, but I don't mean to speak ill of it.

Yeah, we've started some bullshit wars over it and 9/11 has been exploited repeatedly, but I still think it's worth memorializing.

I find it hard to believe you would start a thread because you saw a flag/s at half mast.

I'd just like to chime in here with my vote that this is a bullshit boxing and an abuse of Mod powers.

What's hard to believe about it? I was honestly curious, and my first cursory check of the news did not yield anything - yes, there is news about 9/11, but my mind was looking for news about recent deaths and it didn't cross my mind at the time that some were flying flags at half mast because of that.

BTW, for those who are staying in the box until I'm out, here's the timeframe:

Do I really think which? That the continued teary-eyed remembrances are the very much stuff of the wet dreams of retards who plot and take every chance they get to lead us to war with phantom enemies and expand the powers of the state at the cost of our freedoms? Hell yes I believe that.

There are plenty of worse events that have happened since 9/11!!!!!!, but let's just keep focusing on that event. Oh, and let's just ignore what it's led to, both in our country and the rest of the world, because that would take away from our special remembering time.

why was i boxed i demand an explantion

badtz what wowld you do, if you were asked to give uyp your draems for freedom

Hey, I never called for the guy's boxing, or even berated him. Excuse the shit out of me for not painstakingly adding space after space throughout a list of over 3000 names. If you don't want the answer, don't ask the fucking question. Calling it holier-than-thou snark is aggrandizing my intentions by a long shot. Literalism snark is a whole lot closer to a reasonable interpretation. FTR, I am not a member of the Let's-Jump-on-Badtz Society. If he pisses me off, I tell him so, but I don't participate or enjoy the pile-ons on him.

Are you able to separate the politicised aspect of it and understand the significance of the event, and how it personally affected so many people across the world?

Ah, you know what? I've typed out about four different responses to this, and none of them can get across what I'm trying to say, so I'm just gonna leave this.

Because you have a habit of doing things and then pretending you didn't realize it might cause a fuss OR just straight out lying (by your own admission) to get a reaction.

Thanks for not being part of the Pile On Badtz Crew, but I still feel that the list was tasteless. Someone had already answered, and had mentioned that it was over 3000 people. I knew immediately when I saw "3000 people 8 years ago" who the flags were flying at half-mast for.

Would you name some, please? I am curious to know what has happened since then that you consider worse. Natural disasters are not directed attacks on civilians.

I read it as a snarky answer to a snarky question - so I'd say you're equal on that one.

Bush's War in Iraq - which continues to this day.

You're only right if you only assume that my question was trolling, which it was not. Due to recent events, "flag at half mast" was not immediately associated with memorials for past events in my mind. I was thinking of Kennedy, but realized it shouldn't be him. I thought maybe some congressman had died or something, and figured a board with a lot of people from all over the country would be a good place to find out who.

How about the shit going down in Darfur? The guys in charge of the killing there will admit to levels of civilian deaths an order of magnitude greater than 9/11 and other estimates put it an order of magnitude higher than that.

Or how about the deaths caused by idiotic, inexcusable war in Iraq? The death toll of American servicemen alone is higher than the 9/11 count. Then you get to factor in the dead Iraqis. Hey, and as a bonus this one is directly related to 9/11...unless it isn't...but then it is again...wait, what part of the cycle are we at yet?

But hey, these things don't have a nice, neat anniversary date -- especially not such a wonderfully evocative one for the American masses -- so it's easy to ignore them.

Your response to bufftabby's list of names, coming on the heels of your OP, read to me as textbook trolling. Textbook to the point of cliche. Sure, maybe it was all a big misunderstanding and you are completely innocent, but I doubt it. I tend to take an Occam's Razor approach to trolling -- while one can construct complicated explanations for how someone could have accidentally posted a series of troll-like posts, it's far more likely that they were just trolling and are now at stage 2, Protesting One's Innocence.

If you are in fact 100% innocent, chalk it up as an unfortunate misunderstanding.

I recall watching the Katrina disaster unfold on TV, with much of the same feeling as watching the towers fall: disbelief that it could be happening. And impotent anger at the government for failing to act.

Prior to 9/11 I watched as the Branch Davidian compound was burned to the ground. Again, disbelief followed by impotent anger.

Had I been alive, I'd probably feel the same about Dec 7, 1941.

I think Badtz should be unboxed. I think any other poster could have posted this, and wouldn't have gotten penalized. I have my suspicions as to whether this was a genuine question, but that's it--just suspicions. I don't think it's serious enough to warrant a boxing. Whoever thinks it's trolling can ignore it--or engage him, if that's your style--and anyone who believes his question was asked in good faith can see that it's been thoroughly answered.

And so do you. Many times.

I also didn't know that it was 9/11.

I also thought it was disrespectful and unnecessary of bufftabby to cut/paste the names like that.

I'd like to add to this statement.

If you are in fact 100% innocent, consider it late punishment for the other times you trolled GB.

What's interesting is that the lead story on the news that I've just watched* has actually spoken about 9/11 as being a way of remembering anyone who has died as a result of conflict - be they soldier, civillian, innocent or guilty. I think that was my gut reaction to your post - it's a day to remember those who died, not a day to politicise events. The rest of the year can be used for that.

*ITN if anyone's interested!

My takeaway from this event Badtz is that you have a shorter leash to play than other folks. I'm of course assuming that, had I done the sequence of events you're saying you did, up to responding to buff's literalism snark, that I would not have been boxed. Which could be in error, of course.

It sounds like you might want to check with the mods to see what it would take to rehabilitate your reputation. There might be some kind of work-release program available.

Please point me to the threads where I have lied to get a reaction to people.

Please point me to the threads where my actions could be called trolling.

Some folks get an early start on that: cf. Glenn Beck and his 9/12 project.

Anyways, it's a 4 hour boxing for god's sake ... it's not like anyone died :innocent:





I await my own boxing with some excitement :meek:

This is a joke, right? You can't possibly take this shit that seriously. Can you?

Sorry... showing my ignorance, I've heard the name, but I have no idea who Glenn Beck is, or what he does (I could search, but I'm guessing I may not want to!).

I would like to participate in and enjoy the pile-on on her.

I'm really not sure quite how to take that!!!! :dubious: :D

And just to clarify, despite the title of this thread, Badtz was not Boxed for forgetting it was 9/11. It was his follow-up post feigning outrage that gave the appearance of obvious trolling. He's been pinging people's troll radar already lately, and this just seemed like an escalation of that. 4 hours in the Box is hardly a monstrous punishment, and if he dials it back a few notches after this, everything will be fine.

This is going to sound callous but because I have no personal stake in the Dafur war I feel it's irrelevant to compare that to 9/11. Or to compare Iraq/Afghanistan (where I have personal interests) to it. Wars are going on across the globe, some small, others large, and of deep personal interest to those involved. Natural disasters occur as well: floods, slides, earthquakes, hurricanes... They don't compare to the premeditated attack on NYC on 9/11.

I don't expect a Sudanese farmer to feel pangs about what happened thousands of miles away. Nor a Filipino villager who's house is gone. Let them worry of matters important to them. Let me remember today.

There's very little I take seriously. I think the Box should be for annoying socks, and not much else.

ETA: and spammers. I forgot those pesky little buggers.

Not even obvious trolling?

I really regret that one instance of trolling for reaction, because it broke my streak of being honest on this board. I find it annoying that I get accused of trolling other times when I ask honest (although sometimes dumb, in hindsight) questions. The "chinga" thing was not a troll. I did not know that chinga was a Spanish curse word, but my first guess was Spanish because that's the foreign language that my son is exposed to the most. Babelfish didn't translate it, and when I went to Spanishdict.com it said it meant "cigar end" or "drunkenness" in Venezuelan Spanish, a fee paid by gamblers, or a "bitch of a job".

Regarding the insurance claim thread, I was honestly surprised at the vitriol expressed towards me because I wanted to know how much I was getting lowballed by the adjuster. I've discussed that claim in other forums and with other people, and nowhere else was I told that I was being a scammer or doing something unethical. My pastor's wife encouraged me to try to get more than my initial offer, yet here I was piled on by all the same people who seem to think everything out of my mouth is a troll.

I've had it clarified by TVeblen that I was boxed for saying I found bufftabby's huge list posts to be disrespectful, but nobody else who expressed this was boxed. TVeblen has gone after me before and obviously has a grudge going back to the SDMB days.

Nah, doesn't bother me. The "ignore" feature built into my brain works just fine.

That's all fine and good, Zeener, and you won't find me criticizing you for callousness about that. But I'd argue that people who feel the same way shouldn't act shocked and appalled when encountering someone who feels fewer of those pangs about their own event. (Not claiming you have; I'm not really keeping score here.)

And, to be quite honest, eight years and untold amounts of shit after the fact, I'm one of those who just doesn't see a yearly need to memorialize 9/11.


ETA: This is in reply to post #52.

Were you banned from the dope?

If one person honestly feels it was "eye-rollingly exploitative", why do you assume I was "feigning outrage" when I said I found it "somewhat disrespectful"? That's not "outrage", that's an honest opinion.

Yep, but it was after my account had been deactivated for not paying for membership, for posting with a sock.

Weren't you banned from Dumbo?

That's just how it read to me. Like you were taking a different tack on getting a reaction by nitpicking the formatting of the person who responded to your OP. The switch from "what day is it?" to "the 9/11 victims must be memorialized with the utmost of respect and carriage returns!" didn't read as genuine to me.

As I've said, I don't claim to be 100% certain you were trolling. Maybe 90%. But if you weren't, I put part of the blame on you -- it's not that hard to post in such a way as to not come across as trolling, nor is the punishment when you do so accidentally so terrible.

Yep, for posting my password at the Snarkpit. I didn't want to post there anymore. I did enjoy chat, but when it got out it was my sock, that got banned too (despite their policy at the time of tolerating socks).

This.

Either Badtz is just too stoopid to be a poster here among the adults, or he's trolling. The "Who? L'il ol' ME?!" crap is waaaay beyond old.

If I'd have seen that one first I would have boxed him.

Hell, I think it was kind of a dick move. I do apologize to anyone who found it disrespectful or exploitative; that was not my intent. Nor was it my intent to bring any additional shitstorm down on Badtz. Like I said, literalism snark, during which I neither giggled nor frothed.

If you work with the assumption that I did not realize it was 9/11, there was no "switch". There was only a "different tack" if you assume that I knew why the flags were at half mast and that I was, in some way, making fun of the memorial. I did not, and have not ever, posted anything that would indicate that I do not care about the victims of 9/11. If it's archived, you can see my posts at the time at SDMB where I'm pretty sure I posted about the emotional impact it had on me.

lol good one you owe me a new keyboard good sir

This is gonna give me the giggles all day. Thanks. Now everybody's gonna think I'm an asshole, not just youse internet guyz.

for every letter posted by badtz after this post he should get another hour in the box

So, someone posts something that is admittedly "kind of a dick move" and "snark" regarding the victims of 9/11, I post that it was "somewhat disrespectful", and I get 4 infractions and 4 hours in the Box? How is this fair?

I didn't say you didn't care about the victims, and I'm not saying I can prove in a court of law that you were trolling. But I think you were, and I don't think this is the first time you've been probing for reactions with your posts here.

It's not the end of the world. Just don't post stuff that looks trollish. Most people manage this pretty easily.

So I'm on a roll here.

I wanna Box bufftabby for disrespectful formatting. The gormless wench is guilty of gross carelessness in cutting and pasting.

And then ulfhjorr because I can't figure out how to say his name. "Ewelf-he-yore?" (Great avi though so he may be spared.) Then Zeener because c'mon, he's spent more time in the Box than a litter of kittens.

Unless you believe in God.

Put me on your list because Roo thinks I'm a troll as well.

Obviously, trollishness is in the eyes of the beholder. I posted an honest question that revealed that I forgot today was 9/11 - which is not outlandish as more than one other poster said they didn't realize either. I then posted a mild response to someone who posted something that more than one poster found offensive and that they admitted was a "dick move". That's all I did to get in the Box for trolling.

I didn't get put in the Box when I admitted to lying about my insurance settlement to see the response, and that was trolling. I EXPECTED to get Boxed for that, and if I was Boxed for that I wouldn't have had any complaints. The real reason I got boxed is because TVeblen doesn't like me and chose to interpret my posts as trolling.

For a brief period of time as an infant, I slept in a cardboard box with a towel in the bottom, much like a newborn kitten. People say this explains some things about me, but I don't know what they mean. I. Don't. Know. What. They. Mean.

Being a New Yorker I tend to get overly put out when people scoff at 9/11 memorial.

I consider myself blessed. A close friend's Godfather was on the plane that hit the second tower. Other than that everyone I know either got away or weren't in the area for various reasons (a pipe burst in my parents' bathroom - Dad was home waiting for the plumber).

It's not that I don't care about the other things. My sister was part of the invasion team in Iraq. She was injured in Iraq. She also has the most heartbreaking case of PTSD - It kills me to see her the way she is now. I think about Iraq 365 days a year, whether I want to or not.

Today is a day that something so horrible happened that I cannot even think of a word bad enough to describe it. It's personal to me. It happened to my home. My friends. My family.

I'm not asking you to cry or memorialize or even think about it. I ask you to not be rude to/scoff at those of us who do see a need to/can't help but remember what happened. And, maybe thank your lucky stars you weren't there for the event or the aftermath.

obvious buff is obvious.


Box her.

:D Mew!


OK, I LOL'd at that one.

Here's how a non-troll exchange would go:

OP: Yo, what's up with the flags at half mast, somebody else die?

FPB: Dude, it's freaking 9/11!

OP: Holy shit, didn't notice the calendar, never mind!

Thread sinks like plutonium biskit.

However, it went very differently. Wonder why that was? Enjoy the box!

*poke, pokepoke*

By the way, the main problem here is, it works fine if in fact he was trolling. If he was, he was doing a specific set of behaviors and can then stop doing those. And you're pretty sure he was, so then it should be easy.

If he is being honest, you're basically asking him to stop doing what he might otherwise normally do for a while, until people stop thinking he's a troll.

Yes, but even if that were the case, it supposes that he is unable to learn to post with any attention to how it might be perceived. I think the number of people in the world with true Accidental Internet Troll Syndome (AITS) is in fact quite small, possibly zero.

Well I don't. Then I could still be bringing it up 8 years later like Tommy Gavin trying to talk his way out of a parking ticket.

What did I post after being told that it was 9/11 that made the thread go the way it did? I responded to a person who said it was all over morning radio by telling them what I was listening to and that they weren't talking about it at the time. What made the thread go south was the multiple posts by other people after the question was asked and answered.

BTW, what is a G-C diad?

It's four hours in the box.

You were not banned.

Get over it.

Yeah, that must have been what did it. You're right. Enjoy the box. :rolleyes:

I was given infractions for something I didn't do. Next time someone decides to accuse me of trolling, it can be said "You were already given 4 infractions for this, we're going to ban you this time" or something similar. I've managed to avoid any kind of infractions or boxings (aside from Boxing Day) the whole time I've been here, and now I got something on my record for something I didn't do. It's also keeping me from asking follow-up questions on my chord thread. I think G C E can be seen as a G chord, I frequently add fifths to the root of other chords on guitar and that's what I was going for in my keyboard song.

That may be all that *you* are doing, but that's not all that it being asked on this day. Not when flags are lowered, radio is taken over, the morning news leads off with "Eight years ago today, something bad happened" in places nowhere near the big events, or streets are being shut down so that a hunk of steel can be escorted through town.

It affected you personally, so it's not wrong to remember that in your own way, and I'd neither scoff at nor be rude to anyone doing so. But don't think for a minute that the rest of us aren't being expected to do the same thing with these overblown events going on throughout the country, and I see nothing wrong with scoffing at that.

I'd say it's what you didn't post, namely an "oops, my bad, I forgot." Instead, you posted defensive justifications on how you couldn't possibly have known. You were into "little old ME?" mode well before this boxing.
A perfect fourth, if you assume the notes G natural and C natural. If you construct a G-B# interval, it is an augmented third on paper but it uses the G-C keys on the instrument.

Well, what's your answer then? Or are you just trolling me?

Nah, you're a real sensitive kinda guy. I want to learn lots more about rude and disrespectful formatting. If posters are gonna act like friggin' animals, not leaving spaces in lists and all...well, that's the kind of thing that made the name OpalCat legend. In the unfortunate zombie-monsters-eat-your-face kind of legend but we're talking about lists here.

Well, the way I see it Badtz, regardless of what you did and why you did it, right now a majority of the staff here think you have done things to troll and you were doing things to troll right now. I don't think you're going to change their mind on this. You probably want to start looking into what you can be doing to get folks to stop thinking you're trolling when you post in future. I don't have any immediate advice for you on that front.

Mmm, no, G-C-E is a C major, second inversion chord.

You could, I suppose, in theory, on the planet Crazy, call it a G-suspended-4th-plus-6 (minus 3 minus 5) but come on. It's a C chord.

By the way, your "I can't possibly be the one who's wrong about this chord" is also the same kind of behavior as in the other thread. It's just thin rationalization.

I had no idea anything was being done other than at The Pentagon and Ground Zero (and a few smaller ones around the local area here for local firemen that were lost in the tragedy). And, I thought that was what you had the problem with.

I understand where you are coming from now and were I not a New Yorker I can imagine it might get irritating to me as well.

So tell me, which do you prefer, to be thought of as too stupid to continue breathing on your own or to be thought a troll?

And I'm not trolling you, I'm poking you. With a stick. Because you're in The Box. Because you're a numbnutz.

*poke poke*

Most people don't have tags in every thread they start or post in calling them a troll. That might make it easier for other people to avoid the label.

That said, if people think someone is a troll, they can certainly choose not to engage them. Did someone get hurt by his actions?

Why don't you change your avatar back to a picture of sleeps or her ass now.

Yes.

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Hi roo. I'm still waiting for my threads.

If forgetting it was 9/11 or finding bufftabby's list tasteless is being "too stupid to continue breathing", then I guess that's me.

You still didn't answer my question.

I apologized for that, and I don't see how that has anything to do with this Boxing.

That's because most people don't post like a retarded troll--the tags are there for a reason.

Since when has "someone getting hurt" been the criterion for Boxing? He was boxed for being an annoying git, said so right on the label, and he's been proving the point ever since. Butthurt troll is butthurt, so I'd say the "damage," if such there be in this instance, is for once concentrated right where it ought to be, karmically speaking.

And you didn't answer mine, troll. Forty-love.

*pokety pokepoke*

One might reasonably suggest that past behavior is an indication of present intentions, yes?

Yes I did. Vision is the first to go...

The cynical part of me would believe that news media organizations were anticipating this day in order to kick-start their reports. But there will be remembrances and memorials held across the country, and observance on a national level around the time of the initial strike. I can put up with topics until they stray into conspiratorial plots and calls for more security and the lax state of monitoring all incoming cargo, etc. At this point I turn off the news.

Why do you hate America?

This thread is moving almost as fast as the "Seven got banned" threads.

Hush, Space Monster.

I think you meant their families and friends. And I guess it's true that some people get to post things that others don't. bufftabby already claimed that doing so was a dick move. I'm not sure how repeating it makes it funnier or more appropriate.

I'm very sorry for all those affected by the 9/11 tragedy.

Badtz, I read your OP when there was one response and immediately thought OTIO. At this point, I completely agree with Aleq and 7. I consider my suspicions confirmed because a non-troll response would have been something along the lines of a headslap.

As far as I'm concerned, you already had a record when you admitted to trolling this board. No, before that, when you tried to incite a spam attack at Domebo.

And about your avatar: got anything with you in a red cape?

We don't follow the infraction system. It doesn't matter how many infractions you've have in your past. So, I wouldn't worry about that.

But, you did put Sleeps' ass as your avatar to provoke her. You had a previous fight with Sleeps and you put her picture as your avatar. It got a reaction from her. Out of the blue you did it again with her ass knowing damn well when she saw it she'd get pissed.

When she noticed, your reaction was very similar to your reaction now for being boxed. "Gosh golly, I didn't know. I didn't do anything wrong. BLah blah blah"

Deal with it.

What are you talking about? Seriously, I never tried to incite a spam attack at Domebo.

Edited to add: Oh, you mean when I posted my password, I think. I was confused because I had heard they had a board invasion and GED was posting that I was behind it, and I was not.

Ohhh...custom title heaven.

I asked you which one you preferred, but if you can't make the logical leap or just can't help but put a wimpy, stupid, pointless "defense" of yourself into every sentence you whine out on your keyboard, I guess this is my lucky day and I can pretty much consider that you're both. Cataclysmically stupid AND a troll is no way to go through life, son--but hey, chase your dreams, rock on with your bad self, shine on you crazy diamond. :rolleyes:

*pokepokepoke poketypoketyPOKE*

ETA: Let's make that "lying, disingenuous, stupid troll." Yes folks, it's a trifecta! :science:

Yeah, and this is just a 4 hour silly thing.

Where did I post anything like that in the "Who died?" thread prior to being boxed?

Which do you prefer being thought of, as an ugly bitchy cunt or a senile old woman? Same kind of choices offered to me (Brain dead or a troll).

I could well be wrong, but did you not give out your password and say have at it? Was it not your Domebo account?

Actually, never mind. I should have checked first before posting. I apologize; I won't do that again.

Come on this is fun. Can you extend the penalty?

I think you mis-read the mission statement here. It's laissez-faire.

This board was created as a reaction to the byzantine efforts of dispensing fairness at the drope: "You may say it's a lie, not that the poster is a liar." "You may use some non-controversial expletives (cf. balony, shoot, darn) but nothing from our secret list of forbidden words that will butthurt some cuntlappers." The SDMB, where everything that isn't mandatory is forbidden.

You should try to re-apply there. Your posting style is somewhat similar to The Troll King himself, Liberal de la Mancha, though as a padawan, you'll need a lot more practise. Just please don't do it here.

Also: Giraffe's board, his rules and the original motto was "We like to poke you with sticks". Fair was never one of those cool new features we were promised when we signed up

Difference is that you earned your soubriquets--but please do keep on trolling, because there's nothing funnier than watching a frothingly stupid troll in a hole keep digging. And I'd be wary of calling anyone else ugly, were I you, because I've seen your pics and you bring a whole 'nother dimension to unpleasant physiognomy.

*poke poke POKE pokety poke*

We box people just for fun sometimes. :science:

Another complaint common about the SDMB was people receiving warnings for non-existent rules.

REPORTED!

Jeez, you go to one silly three hour lunch meeting...

I tried to reply from the road, but my blackberry, she no likie, did not allow quotes. Not to continue the hijack, but:

ulfhjorr, not appalled, but a little shocked (as in surprised) that he didn't remember. If we were, say, a little further west or even somewhat north, I wouldn't have been. My surprise was due to the fact that we live in Texas. C'mon. Everyone knows what flag waving idiots we are here. We're renowned for it. So I've been doing some eye rolling all week because it has been up on our company intra-net ("Remember that Friday is 9/11. Please keep the fallen and our military service people in your thoughts that day.") since Monday, and it was all over the local news last night. So yeah... it seemed a bit odd that he didn't connect the dots. Other than that...jeez, it's been 8 years. I agree, time to stop the wallowing already.

Okay, we now return you to your regularly unscheduled pitting.

And then go on for many posts to justify your actions, all the while calling someone a troll without any evidence except for past behavior. Obviously, some people are having more fun than others.

Now that you've determined your mission statement, could you post it prominently somewhere? I remember TVeblen saying that you clearly didn't want a mission statement.

Roo, what's your problem with all this? 'Now that you've determined your mission statement'? What a bizarre thing to say.

Also, I would say that past behavior qualifies as evidence for trolling.

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My homepage is my Igoogle thing. There are no headlines on it. I keep it fairly spartan, I have the weather on there and my bookmarks, but there was nothing on there about today being a special remembrance day. I totally forgot until I saw his thread. I see from plenty of people that I'm not alone in having it slip my mind either. There's plenty of reasons that people forget that today is that particular anniversary.


I agree with everything in this post. This is really a bullshit boxing.

Have to agree with this one too. Absolute bullshit. (Or in other words...THIS.)


This is bullshit, Giraffe. If he hadn't posted that reply, there are several of us here who could have posted the exact same thing! When I was reading that thread, I got kind of pissed off when I came to that ungodly box of text. It was ridiculous and unreadable and totally unnecessary.



I agree that he should be unboxed.


This is utter bullshit, 7. Utter utter bullshit. If he should have been boxed for something else, box him for THAT at the time. :pissed:


Seriously, Giraffe, I could've posted the exact same thing he posted, because I had the exact same reaction to her giant blob of unreadable text.


There have been plenty of us who didn't remember today. And some of us also live in flag-waving, more-patriotic-than-thou places too.

As for trolling, how about we just take questions as being sincere. How about that? There's no harm in it for anyone. Just answer the question if you know the answer, and skip it if you don't. All this hand waving about OMG I SUSPECKT TEH TROOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLS is so freaking stupid. Just ignore him if you think he's trolling. It's not hard.

It's almost as stupid as the hand-wringing comments about an abuse of mod powers. It's 4 hours in the box. Who cares?

ETA: Seriously, using the little angry man smilie to show how pissed off you are? It's laughable. I really don't understand why people are so worked up about this.

It's Badtz, though. What're the odds? ;)

Or we could poke him with a stick. That's not hard either.

No, I'm pretty sure I said I really didn't want a mission statement. I don't want goals, objectives or Robert's Rules of Order either. I have no idea what 7 wants but given his general, uh, free-wheeling outlook, I doubt he's big on Mission Statements either. We both stretch parameters and create new paradigms about that.

Oh, and since I'm in the box with nothing else to do: The whole point of this boxing is past behavior. Saying that you wouldn't have been boxed for posting the same thing is kind of the point. BM is an admitted troll. Everything he says (in my opinion) should be taken with a grain of salt.

7 has posted that he has trolled other message boards as well. Are we to assume everything he posts may be a troll?

Yuh, this. Y'all need to remember a boxing isn't an 'official' warning. It's a time out. It's sitting in the corner for a while. Fuck, most of the time it's only an hour. Get up from your computers for a little while, or maybe get some work done. That's what it's supposed to be about. Cooling off. Relax.

I don't know and neither do you. He says he's being sincere, and you can believe that or not. If you believe he's trolling then don't read, if you don't believe it or are undecided you can answer the question as if it's good faith. Frankly, if he is trolling he's getting exactly what he wants. If his questions were answered in good faith, then he wouldn't be getting what he wants.

Ah well, then I guess you've decided I'm a troll.

And I won't get any more explanation than that.

Be careful Mirhanda, I posted almost exactly the same things you have, and I'm evidently getting called a troll.

I don't know about handwringing - I merely wanted to register my annoyance at what seemed like a fairly arbitrary "I don't like you" boxing. It seemed to me like a mod was boxing someone just because they felt like it and could. If that's not an abuse of mod power, what do you call it?

I'm not worked up about it at all. I'm just calling bullshit where I see it.

ONOZ, fate worse than death alert! :smack:

Sure, but there should be a real reason for it, not something made up or based on a completely different thing. There's no way that what he posted in the thread he was boxed for was box-worthy. I say that because there were many of us in the exact same situation with regard to the question and to the huge blob of text and none of us were boxed because those opinions weren't and aren't box-worthy.

:grossout: :eek:

Okay, so first off, giving eyerolls or talking about concern trolls or not understanding why this is a big deal are all great ways to shut down arguments. To me, the thing to do is listen to whether folks have anything valid as their argument.

And I think there is a valid point that what Badtz did is not a terribly big deal with regards to what posters do. Several other people might have made a snarky comment back to buff's snarky comment.

Now, the staff have admitted (in my reading of it) that a large amount of the boxing about that is based on prior history. And Giraffe has said before that folks that they deem to have a history will be given less room to maneuver than other folks. Sounds to me like Badtz is now in that elite club.

So, if you want to call BS, go right ahead, but simply decrying the specific circumstances, to me, misses some of the point. It should be rather, that if you don't like prior behavior to count against a poster, decry that. On the other hand, if you feel like it should, then perhaps the thing to be doing is counseling Badtz on what behaviors you felt were trolling in past, so that he might try to avoid them.

It was a joke. Relax.

I'm still waiting on you to back up your past statements.

Once you do that we'll move forward.

I'd ask you to act your age but it would probably get reported as a death threat.

Actually, I was hoping someone would explain all the angst to me. I certainly wasn't trying to shut down an argument. This is a board with few rules, and we all know (at least I thought we all did) that the mods and admins would have a certain amount of freedom to keep things running smoothly. It's been clearly stated that we don't do the permanent record thing here, and the only actual poster who was banned did a suicide by 7, so I really don't get why people are so worked up about all this.

I think my previous comment still sums up my position on this: If anyone else had posted it, they would not have been boxed - and I think that's fair.

I've been told what they considered trolling. I explained that I was not trolling, and explained why, and my explanations were taken as evidence that I was playing "poor me" and continuing to troll.

I choose not.
Who cares what he wants? What about those of us who like to argue on the internet as a hobby? What about our needs?!

FFS. "Abuse of power." Oh, the dramaz!

Oh, you got a new chance to get your panties in a bunch about mod persecution. It's been, what... three months. Well, If you can't stand the heat, get your bouncing ass outta the kitchen.



This here, ladies and gentlemen, is classic troll, exhibit c, misdirection.

After sensing that the trolling is about to misfire, our underthebridgedweller tries to divert attention from himself to a person of authority, hoping to get enough schmucks (I'm sure Roo will join) on the bandwagon.


Problem is - most of us know you're a troll. I think you should join MC and be perma-boxed. However, enough posters enjoy seeing you writhe as you're being poked, so I'm not gonna get my way.

It seems to me though, that the prior behavior isn't necessarily from this board, that there's some history between Veb and Badz from the dope. That's a pretty objectionable reason to box someone, IMO.

If there was past history, and Veb bowed to it, don't you think we would have been her put Badtz in the box sooner?

Isn't that pretty much the textbook definition of trolling?

Nah, it was last month, too, you just weren't here for it.

Can you rephrase this? I'm trying but I don't understand exactly what you mean by "don't you think we would have been her put Badtz in the box sooner?" Especially the "would have been her put" part.

Badtz says there is, but I haven't seen any evidence. I ran a search for posts by Veb with the keyword "Badtz". The first few are totally friendly and welcoming. She says she didn't even know why he'd been banned at the Dope. Only after persistent trolling by Badtz do they start to turn negative.

I'm not a troll. A troll is someone whose primary purpose for posting is always going to be to elicit a negative response. In my posting history at Giraffe Boards, I have only trolled the board once. I never trolled at Domebo. I never trolled at SDMB as Badtz Maru, only doing so a couple of times with socks after I was no longer a member of that community (and even then, most of my socks were not used for trolling).

If your definition of a troll is anyone who has trolled, then you are going to have to include 7.

And you got another chance to poke at me. The first time you did it, I was surprised since I didn't know where you were coming from. How does what I post affect you in any way?

I still don't get where you're coming from, but now, it's just old.

If you don't like what I'm posting, you can comment about it. I can do the same to you.

Meh. If you catch me trolling (you won't) feel free to call me on it and call me names. Verbal fisticuffs isn't the same thing.

I think it was meant to be "don't you think we would have seen her"

But I'm not 7, so don't take my answer as gospel.

Yeah, it would be, if it were true. Which it isn't, in case you're interested. I probably posted to some of the same threads as Badtz at the Dope but that's the extent of it. I remember he got banned but don't really remember why. It might be in that monster 'train wrecks' thread but if so, I missed it. I mainly remember he created a bunch of socks afterwards. Since I thought the Dope's hysterical over-reaction to socks was really stupid and pointless, I frankly didn't care.

So there was no history between us, at least on my part, beyond a deeply felt 'meh'.

Yeah, sorry about that. I was writing that and doing something else.

What I was attempting to say was...

If Veb had a thing against Badtz, don't you think Veb would have boxed Badtz sooner?

Back up that statement with a cite please.

Yeah, like getting yourself BOXED. HAW HAW.

I'm not sure that the contentious debate of abuse from the unilateral punishment of a board member is what I would consider "things running smoothly".

Really?

Shush you.


This thread is retarded and getting blown out of proportion.

Dude, use smaller words. Some of us are pretty stupid.

No, I get what you're saying, but this is the first 'contentious debate' that I can remember on this board that has to do with the mods/admins. It seems silly to ignore the past months and imply that the board doesn't run smoothly.

http://giraffeboards.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=101

This shit is bananas.

Boxing is Not That Big of a Deal.

Well done. You get a cookie.

ok let it be written:

1) TVelbin acts all serious business Tuba-style

2) Everyone already knows that and if you know that and keep posting here and she shits up your day welp it's your own damn fault because you kept posting here

3) badtz maru is a convicted troll and terrible poster

3) only huge sissies anf girly men whine about being boxed

close thread unplug server

Would you mind repeating that here :innocent:

If 7's a troll, I'm a troll. I started off my internet life as a troll. Nearly a decade ago. When I was about 13.

Ok, so BM has a history of trolling and so does 7. You will note that 7 has been boxed as well, so I think we can end this here, right?

Wow, is that all you got? Assuming your giant slabs of gut and ass lard don't cause you to myocardially infarct in a terminal manner you'll be the age I am now at some point too. However, if and when you get there, you'll not only be old but you'll still be a stupid, ugly, friendless, sleazy, no-count, white trash, clueless troll you, living a life that, were I sentenced to lead it, would in short order inspire me to take a fast train to SleepyForeverLand. It's a good thing you aren't smarter than you are or have more imagination, I guess. For you, anyway.


*pokepokepoke*

Seconded!

How much is that in human years? ;)

This is true. But don't confuse this action with the non-actions of the past that have allowed the board to run smoothly. Had Badtz not been boxed, the original thread would likely have died and nothing would have come of it. Instead we have a handful of people upset over perceived abuse of power.

Sometimes the Libertarian approach really does work.

Really? I don't think it's a secret that I don't much care for BM, but ... really? That's a bit much, don't you think?

Is that all you got? "You should kill yourself"? AGAIN? It's getting tired.

Indeed. When I read this huge kerfuffle, all I could think was 'damn, it sounds like Domebo in its first incarnation.' Those mods couldn't move without getting shouted down. Over really stoopid shit, too. Things seem a bit better now but holy shit. We don' need that here. It becomes an un fun place to visit.

The stupid part or the other stuff? In either case, I hear what you're saying.

I dunno. That was a pretty good smackdown and I greatly enjoyed it - I don't care who it was directed at.

I'm not buying the 'it's only 4 hours' issue. If it were 4 hours for a pun, that would be one thing. And some people were even unhappy about that because I guess, it seemed a little random.

But this is a Boxing for trolling. With a great big discussion about why he's a troll. While some people may find it pretty funny, it's not really a joke; it's ostracizing, which is punishment.

I think it's because dumbo is gone and this is a day of remembrance for many.

That's why we have Box a Mod day and "Don't Post To This Thread (or you will be boxed)" threads. Because it's not at all a joke and is, in fact, a very serious punishment.

ETA: Dammit, 7, I have drunk to much to not giggle when you say stupid shit.

It is! When The Longnecked Tyrant boxed me for post padding in the Dumbo thread I cried the whole entire hour. I don't know that I will ever get over the terror and humiliation of that day.

I take it all back. Boxing is so harsh. ;_;

You conveniently left out the first part of that post. I posted that it would be one thing to be Boxed to making a pun, which is on the same level as Box a Mod Day or this this new thread that 7 just created today. Those are distinctly different things.

ETA: And we've all been Boxed on Boxing Day, which was obviously a joke.

Ely. You apparently have the gift to override the "in the box" title.

I didn't 'conveniently' do anything. I responded to the part I felt needed responding to because it's clearly bullshit. Boxing is not the ominous thing you're making it out to be and a little perspective seemed in order.

ETA: I was not boxed on boxing day. In fact...I have not been boxed. That seems unfair somehow. OH WHO WILL RIGHT THIS WRONG?

BOXING DAY WAS NOT A JOKE!

You take that back!

Not at all, I said that, essentially, if I were you I'd kill myself. You patently have a much higher threshold for living a shitty, miserably useless life than I, so you just keep on and on with your Energizer Troll schtick. I think that on some level, though, you do recognize how abysmally grotesque your very existence is and that's why you act the way you do--with that constant, whiny "oooh, poor me" litany you exude like greasy sweat in a fat bastard's ass crack.

But yeah, I'm old, you really got me there! :science:

I liked the "myocardially infarct" part, but ultimately the 'if I were you, I would kill myself' thing does seem a bit tired. I would have been more impressed if she'd said:

"Badtz, if I were you, I would spend every morning dousing my face with lye and every evening dipping my balls in sulphuric acid. Then I would knock out all of my teeth and subsist on a diet of vegemite and onions. And I would do all of this because, being you, I would know that I am the most worthless sack of fetid rodent excrement that ever existed and I am unworthy of even the sympathy fuck of a blind, limbless crackwhore."

That would have made me smile.

John, dawg, that's HARSH!!! :D

I'm cool like dat.

It was the vegemite bit, wasn't it?

And you managed to avoid the box with your special usergroup.

OMG!

SHE'S A WITCH!

The "kill yourself" thing bothers me a little because that's how I felt about myself in my early 20s, and I did attempt suicide once when I was 22 and did a lot of things that were more indirect forms of suicide (taking risks instead of taking some sleeping pills and putting a plastic bag on my head). It's not an issue anymore, I have a lot more meaningful life and even when I do feel like killing myself, I can just remind myself how much it would hurt my family.

Hey, me too! My SIL and I used to troll the boards and chat rooms on AOL years ago. We were TOS'd so many times they won't put service in my name anymore!

Yeah, that's pretty good. :science:

You and half the population.

TAKE THAT BACK! I weigh more than a duck.

Mostly I flooded chat rooms. I think I still have a log of where I finally trolled this guy I really hated to the point where he left the room. I was fifteen. The log still makes me laugh. :D

Remember you said that in a week or so, ok? :innocent:

For the record: I don't think Badtz is a sack of fetid rodent excrement. I actually feel sorry for the guy, because the only time he ever shows up on my radar it's in a thread where he is defending the sincerity of his posts. I've never seen anything from the guy that leads me to believe that he's trolling. Hell, not everyone knows that a C-E-G chord really is the same as a G-E-C chord.

nm

You didn't go through with it.

But what if you are playing over it like it's a G instead of a C? Couldn't that be considered some form of G chord?

Did you look up my previous edit? Usually when you edit a thread after someone has looked at it, it shows "edited by" at the bottom. I took that out because I decided it was too much personal info and I shouldn't be sharing so much in this environment.

If you fuckers start arguing over music theory in the box while I'm stuck here, I'm getting out the ban stick.

I hit quote. What you typed was there. By the time I hit submit (i had to take a phone call) and I was returned to the thread, it shows you removed what you posted.

The "edited by" only shows after a short window.

If you pretend Seven is playing the bongos for emphasis in each of his posts, it makes this thread so much more entertaining.

I'm not pretending.

I need to get some live mic/streaming audio action up on this shiznit.

No. It's still a C chord, you're just playing over it as if it were not. All of these notes reside in the Gm scale, so it wouldn't sound bad to use this chord in a melody in Gm, but it's still a C chord.

:innocent:

You know, I saw his post, too, then saw he'd removed it. IMHO, not that anyone asked, it's bad form to bring it back like you did. He pulled it, through the edit window.

Again, you're telling me what perspective to take.

Some people think that getting banned from the SDMB isn't an ominous thing in the grand scheme of things. But some people were up in arms about that recently.

Oh, I thought it only showed the "Edited by" after someone had viewed the thread, and you were using super secret admin powers to see what my old post was.

I guess saying I went through with it isn't entirely accurate, but I made my best attempt and it was my subconscious or instincts or something that kept me from dying, not a conscious backing down.

FWIW, I've thought Badtz was a huge douche pretty much since this thread. He occasionally has something of value to offer, but mostly all he does is bring the drama, and I have zero patience for drama. I once quit a job I'd been at for almost two years over drama (that doesn't sound like long, but I've only been in the workforce for 5 years, so there.) So Badz is not a favorite of mine, and I can totally support this boxing.

Also, Roo, I like ya, but the tags about trolling in his threads are pretty much irrelevant here. I got a tag the other day that said "swf: shitty poster". Does that make me want to be a shitty poster? No, it just means that somebody out there is a shithead coward who can't say it to my face. Should "obvy troll is obvious" make Badtz want to be a troll? Not unless he already is one. Unless I've completely misunderstood what you were trying to say, in which case, don't mind me.

So G - C is a G 4th chord, but adding the E makes it a C chord? Weird.

I didn't bring it back. I quoted what was there at the time.

This is one of the drawbacks of having the ability to edit posts.

I don't really like Badtz, and I don't particularly care whether he is sincere, or whether he is a troll, because either way I don't see that he contributes much to the board apart from the occasional dramatic meltdown. I usually ignore his posts entirely.

However, I do think that it is absolutely foolish to pretend that every post, every sentence, every thread, can or should be judged on some International Scale of Trollness, without taking the poster's larger pattern of previous (and current) behavior into consideration. It's similar to the difference between white guys from the suburbs and black dudes in gold chains each using the word "nigga." It's not the words, it's the context. The same word, in the mouth of a different person, unavoidably has a different context, and only an extremely narrow-minded literalist would argue that it shouldn't be the case.

I'm on the side of the mods, here, because I can totally appreciate why Badtz and all he touches might lie within the penumbra of the "suspected troll" context. I can also see, with some befuddlement, that Badtz's self-perception doesn't align with that. But personally? I don't think about him one way or another.

In short: this one action by the mods ain't no huhu. There's no pattern of OMG MOD ABUSE to react to. I want the mod-raeg to go back to Dumbo and die.

By "Bring it back", I meant post it even after he'd withdrawn it. Yea, I know the edit window blah blah blah. I still think it was 'bad form' to repost what he'd withdrawn.

For the love of Og, don't list who.

7 quoted it and started to type his post before Batz withdrew it. 7 didn't know that it was withdrawn when he submitted his post.

My music theory is pretty rusty, but I'm pretty sure two notes don't make a chord - it has some other name I can't remember.

Interval.

You're thinking of this in terms of G being the root note of the chord, when it's really not. You may be playing it as the lowest note in the chord, but that particular grouping of notes (regardless of placement on the keyboard) result in a C chord.

If you play a C-E-G and a G-C-E, you get the same chord (with a slightly different tone based on the octave change of the G). But, simply changing the octave of the G note doesn't change the chord.

We put that dog down last week. We were still on a waiting list for a no-kill shelter, she kept escaping the yard and terrorizing the neighbors cats, causing damage, and running in front of cars, and when she knocked down a little old lady we realized she was too big of a liability. So, we ended up using some of the advice in that thread. My wife's really depressed because she decided to do it while she was PMSing and has been wondering if that affected her decision, and she loved that dog.

Is there a key where that would be a G chord? G Mixolydian would have all the same notes as C major but start at G, would that make a difference?

Thanks, but I understood that. As soon as he hit submit, however, he could have seen the post had been withdrawn and removed his. That would have been classy.

I don't recall ever defending Badtz before, or really participating in any of his threads (I could be wrong but he just doesn't ping my radar much), but I think the 'just kill yourself shit' is uncalled for. Not that I want rules about it, I just tend to think poorer of those who post that sort of shit. Kinda like you didn't like it when folks were posting nasty stuff about the family of a poster (possibly even Badtz?)

Thanks for giving me a chance to explain.

I was commenting on how people have been telling Badtz to stop trolling, and that if he did, he would not be perceived as a troll.

I was noting that it's hard to change a perception when people continue validating the perception through tags, even if you change your posting style. Sometimes, people will perceive your actions more in that light because they think that it's commonly accepted since there are tags saying that.

How is one supposed to know they edited what you are quoting until after you post it?

You posted that you noticed he'd edited after you'd posted. You could have removed it then.

It was just a level of nasty that was unexpected.

I've had enough of this topic. Had no problem w/the original boxing, short term boxing like that serves as a reminder to have some idea of what you sound like before you post.

You should probably not have told me that.

Someone call me when this place is back to normal. Until then, I'm gone.

I sure will miss Seven.

This is, honestly, outside the breadth of my knowledge, but it seems rather silly to say that you're playing in a different mode, simply to accomodate the need to refer to that chord as a G-something-or-another.

That's pretty common in guitar playing, I think. If I am playing a melody that has all the notes of C major but has G for the root, that's not the same as playing in C Major.

The reason it's hard to think of that as a C is because the very next chord after that is a C Major, and the melody shifts up to play around C instead of around G, and it definitely sounds like a chord change, not just the same chord played differently.

Oh, fair enough then. I read the tags, I just don't pay much attention to them. Some tags are funny, but the nasty taggers are fucking cowards. If they had balls they'd post it in the thread with their names attached. But they don't, because they are pussy little bitches, and I don't really care about the opinions of pussy bitches.

[spooky kid from the Matrix]Do not believe in the BM. Instead only try to realize the truth ... there is no dog[/SKFTM]

Good idea, that's what I'll tell myself.

You might even say it's gone pants-on-head retarded...

I can't believe you guys were so 'tarded 7 ran away. You know what? 4 hours in the box is not shit. Badtz, don't be such a whiney bitch. Everybody else, get over yourselves. It's just a message board, and it's just another boxing. THERE ARE OTHER THREADS THAT NEED ATTENTION, PEOPLE.

Holy shit, this is just surreal! "You hurted my feelings because I did try to killed myself once. By the way, I killed my dog too. Hey guyz let's talk about guitars!" Are you kidding? TROLL!

YOU GUYS CHASED OFF SEVEN?

ELY RAEG

I made a retarded comic about this retardness earlier. Here you go.

Disclaimer: Opinions contained within said comic are not necessarily the opinions of the subjects within the comic.

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Awesome!

Yes, but are there retards in you comic?

Mmmaybe.

Some shit is just BEYOND THE PALE, mister! I have my eye on you... :dubious:

Yeah, okay, DIAF, troll.

I owe you a beer, homes. I'm serious! :p

That was frocking beautiful.

Really.

Is this a whoosh?

I'll admit to being slow regarding this particular post. Could you explain it to me, please?

Fucking awesome! *kowtow, obeisance, curtsey*

Yup, this is Giraffe's place. I thought I was somewhere else by accident.

I'm going to be different than most of you here. I like Badtz. I just think he doesn't self edit enough and consider how what he posts will be seen, considering his history.

Did I think he was trolling? No. Did I think he deserved boxing? Who the fuck cares, it's fucking 4 hours. If someone asks me, "Well, how would you like being boxed for four hours?". Well, to answer that...

I, hereby invite any moderator or administrator to box me for any length of time, up to 6 hours, any time they feel like it for the next year (this offer may be renewed after one year depending on my mood at the time).

Now, some of you may have seen that after my boxing ends, that I can be thrown right back into the box. Yup, I saw that too... and I'm not bothered enough to try to close the loophole.

Ely, if you weren't already planning a wedding to a super guy, and also you were gay, I'd so be asking you to marry me right now.

Oh yeah. And if I wasn't married as well, I guess.

It means, everybody doesn't have to spaz over a tiny 4 hour boxing. It's nothing. It's not a blip on the radar. Half of us have been boxed for COMMAS, for fuck's sake.

Also, Badtz is a whiney bitch. And a dog killer, but I digress.

These things are not boundaries to being fake gay message board married!

In that case, wanna make it a lesbian three way fake gay message board marriage? Maybe we oughta call Guinness... :science:

FAKE LESBIAN PARTY

I'M IN

Remember, just because 7 decided to leave because he subjectively felt things were retarded, does not impact whether things in this thread, are, in fact, retarded. They were simply retarded from his perspective.

For example. Assume that 7 is standing in the Box and a post passes him. Viewing it from his perspective, he may believe that shit's all retarded. However, from a different point in the Box, another person may view the post and, from their perspective, not see any retardation in it at all.

No, it's retarded.

It's pretty retarded from my perspective.

Talks like a fag, too.

This is best reflected in the equation E=MC².

omg it's not retarded, it's differently abled. Sheesh.

BWAHAAHAHAHAHA!

"...without any evidence except past behavior"?!

What do you want? A fucking forensics kit? A time machine? A vulcan mind-meld? Past behavior is the primary predictor and indicator of present and future behavior.

His whole posting gimmick is to say something outrageous and then say "Golly! That was bad?!! Gawrsh!" from the "Did my kid say a curse word in a foreign language" to "Hey, I cheated the insurance company and am spending the money on video games--oops I wuz just funnin' with you and lied!" or "Gosh! People got upset at the word "retard" dropped into the middle of an A&E post?"* So don't be surprised when he got boxed for it this time and probably gets boxed for it next time.

*If this was the SDMB he'd have gotten a 15 page train wreck out if it. It's pretty cool that we didn't.

That is so cool, Ely.

::crosses arms, pronouncement-like::

Many post. You, Elyanna, wrest art from nonsense.

Of course I did a lot of vanity preening because I'm shallow. "Look at how pretty Ely made Anubis's ears look!"

The greatest thing is, if I showed that cartoon to one of my friends they'd have no idea what was going on in it. It's like, a secret code.

If I could give you a custom title for a terrible pun that made me LOL, I would.

But I can't, so a charter member you stay. :sciencefail:

Danke, Ms. Anubis.

That should go in the 'zine.

You're star Ely - well played!

My thoughts exactly.

:foil:

The big problem with your comic is that someone...some moderator maybe...just possibly? was missing from it. Other than that, it was a classic! One for the ages. Huzzah!

Mmmaybe a certain moderator should be quicker to box Badtz than Veb.

So...you're saying that this certain moderator is old and feeble? Not as quick on his reflexes as some? (Finger hovers over the BOX! BOX! BOX! button)

Muhahahaha. :hijack:

That moderator is slower than an ancient Egyptian god.

And I'm not easily boxed, baby. Even Seven had trouble containing me.

No, she's saying that certain moderators need to perform acts that are impactful to her perspective. Like a Boxing that provokes a popular thread. Or maybe more personal... like boxing her, herself. I bet that'd get a certain moderator a comic.

Thanks, but I was actually more asking about this part:
If anyone else on this message board left the thread in a huff, claiming that the thread was retarded, would you be asking the rest of the board to stop posting in the thread and get some perspective?

I kinda doubt it, but that's why I was asking.

As for the 4 hours, it's not about that at all for me. It's about someone being called a troll repeatedly by every mod in this thread and them saying that he deserved the Boxing for trolling. If he was doing that and they can show it, great. But if they can't, saying that it's only 4 hours doesn't make it better.

Actually yes, I'd probably have made a similar comment. That's all it was, a comment. Filler. My post wasn't about 7, it was about the 4 hours, and Badtz being a bitch. It was about how this is just a message board on the internet, and everybody ought to untwist their panties (or take them off, at least) and just forget about it. It's no big thing. If it was an injustice, I can think of plenty of worse ones for us to get all up in arms about. 7 was just a passing thought I happened to throw in there. No offence to 7, of course.

Yep, this thread is retarded. My posts in it are definitely retarded. I should have realized sooner.*

Actually, I did, but then the fucking cable went out and I couldn't get online to post how retarded I was being.

A four hour boxing, spawns a 7 1/2 (and counting) butthurt bitchfest? Jebus. :foil:

That's why it's so retarded.

To be fair, half of it is people complaining that it's a butthurt bitchfest. Or retarded. Drooling, short-bus, glassy-eyed, special olympics retarded.

Applause! Too bad we're all out of cool toys to give you.

Okay hajario, that's hilarious.

<fans self furiously>

You deserve a promotion. You're too good to be simply the 'queen of the boards'

I do it for lulz.

:sciencefail: Some of us don't GET to join in your reindeer games. :sciencefail:

Fenris, sweetie, perhaps someday.

Ely, I *heart* you for the "shit I hope not". :D

And some of us are just here for the fake gay messageboard lesbian party hottubbing event!

May I join in the chorus of "Ely is fucking awesome!"? 'Cause clearly it's true!

Sure, hon, room in the faux lesbian fake gay marriage hot tub o'doom for everybody! Except boys, they're icky... :yuk:

Naw, I'll just fix y'all some snacks and chase the boys away. I keep my queerness for realness.

I try not to do the 'me, too' thing....but me, too. So I got myself boxed and went and had a life for the evening.

Ely I just saw that strip. There's aren't enough LOLs to express my appreciation!

:D <3