A Wizards True Name - Day 4
 

Day four sees the wizards well rested and spry after their short previous day. At breakfast they noticed one of their number was missing: guiri.

Guiri, aka Rip Burnham, a Town wizard is dead.

The hammer for today is 8.

The day will not be able to end at the usual time, as the moderator has a prior engagement on the 26th. The day will instead end on the 27th @ 7pm EDT.

I am mobile so just quick.

I had no result, not that it matters now.

No result on Dizzy.

Well, that's a surprise. First I thought either Scathach or one of Bufftabby/SisC would be dead. And second, that's yet a fifth surname.

No result on bufftabby.

No result on texcat

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Nothing on mahaloth

Barring someone coming in and admitting that they investigated TexCat as well last night, I'm going to

for now

SisterCoyote is Town.

So that's all of the Arks, except lightfoot. That leads me to believe that lightfoot is either scum, or hisher name match (assuming everyone has a match, which I would think they do) is scum hiding in one of the other name pools. With either of those scenarios, it seems like it would've been worthwhile for texcat to complete hisher "assigned" investigation of [b]lightfoot/b].

Texcat, please explain why you thought you not investigating at all was preferable to a potential "no result" (or even possibly a scum ID!) because I just don't see it.

I have to admit, this is super frustrating. Why have there been no matches in the RIP pool? Do we all have different last names?

I'm starting to wonder. Does this in any way mean a scum is likely in the Rip pool?

I said no result already, but if you did not see, I investigated guiri.

sorry, i was busy over the weekend and had no investigation. ironically, i therefore have: no result.

what's the case on Texcat?

I did not investigate last night because there are no Itos left for me to investigate. I had a Town result on Scathach N1 and No Result on Visor N2. I could have ventured into the Rip or Ark pools, but Guiri seemed to think it was better for the Rips to continue investigating themselves.

I know that Scathach's investigations were interfered with N2 and N3, and so I know that it was pointless for me to repeat from investigation of Visor from N2.

TexCat claims to have investigated me and gotten a town result n1. N2 and N3 I've attempted to investigate her and gotten no result so either she was lying or I was blocked twice.

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I'm not sure who visor investigated though as he's an Ito too so it is possible that I was blocked again

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First post Day3 at the time I thought - well of course- why would you say that ( as if Scum would not NK? we have nothing to stop them and they won't be hitting their own)
Last Night I was curious
And got no response
now - a second investigation of Tex by Scat got no result

What other investigation do you think scum would have blocked last night?

How do you know there are no Itos left? What makes you think scum are being truthful about their names? The investigation power seems to be for more than just to confirm Town; it should be used for scum hunting also. What harm would an investigation of lightfoot caused? I see absolutely no downside to investigating the designated candidate from outside your pool, while the downside to not investigating is that possible scum are going unchecked. I would expect a Townie to be scum hunting every chance they get. Why aren't you?

Lightfoot, I just went back to look. :smack: I totally missed that post by Guiri. Why didn't you point me to it last night? I made a plan to work Visor and me into the investigations and I thought Guiri shot it down and Giraffe said he didn't want me making plans so I just threw my hands up.

for now-

No result on Visor.

more to think about name pairings- which I will be doing

off to work for me

This is incredibly frustrating. We still have a shot here, but we need to be using all of our resources, i.e. our investigations. You even posted last Night. Come on now.

Remember that we don't know anything about the game setup: maybe the Rip pool are all the Townies who match scum, and we've been spinning our wheels trying to match each other? The Arks and/or Itos could effectively be the Masons, pairs of Townies who can confirm each other but not find scum. Each of those pools is large enough that it could take a few Nights to find your pair.

I suspect we've confirmed all the Town we're going to. toNight, I think we should go for a complete random attack: one of our confirmed Townies can either set the order or use random.org to set it and see if we can't find some scum.

This bothers me. I've been sick and was busy over the weekend and I managed to get an investigation in on Mrs. M that, unfortunately, came back No Result so we don't match on some factor.

But you didn't even get something in before you left? And with posting multiple times at Night?

:dubious:

OOG: I am, in fact, STILL sick and it's really starting to piss me off. I managed to knock down the eye infection but the throat infection is still there AND the other ear has decided it wanted to play, too.

Lightfoot made a good case Yesterday. I just wish Colby hadn't made it look like the case on him was better.

@bufftabby

Could you point me to your breadcrumbs, please and thankyou. :)

Yes, I can give links after work. (Tapatalking now) But I remember my main crumb pretty specifically, I said I wanted to keep furthers details of my name "in the dark". You'll note that my name is quite literally *in* the word dark.

Honestly, I have no idea and can't even argue against my lynch. I'm surprised that not only have we not killed a scum, but that we haven't even found one in our investigations. Massive bad luck for us town players.

It's a total shot in the dark from me at this point. I have no idea who to lynch.

This is a very weird post to me. It feels like scum-bragging, almost, with a dash of "you guys lead the lynch and I'll follow". There is quite a bit of data at this point, so not being able to find a lynch candidate is absolutely bizarre to me.

Between this and mixing up your name claim during the early Days, I think you're a good lynch for toDay.

OK, I'm now waffling between TexCat and Mahaloth. After claiming an investigation of Scathach as Town, we've had two Nights in a row where Scathach got No Result on TexCat. Scathach is scum only if TexCat is also scum (which would be a bizarre play), so for now let's take it as given that Scathach is Town. If TexCat is Town, someone else has investigated them both Nights. Unless Town comes forward, that has to be scum, which means scum used their only investigation power for two out of three Nights to muddy the waters around TexCat. Why? As stated, there's no scenario where one can reasonably suppose Scathach is scum, so all this gains scum is getting a Town player lynched -- why wouldn't they just NK TexCat instead?

Did TexCat ever breadcrumb her name? TexCat, can you point me to said breadcrumb if it exists?

Yep, I'd rather have my vote on TexCat for now. I believe Scathach to be Town and Town has reported results that are inconsistent with TexCat's claims.

No, I never breadcrumbed my name. I was the first to announce that my name contained 3 letters. Where do you think scum's investigation has been the last two nights? What investigation would you block if you were scum?

I don't know, but why do you assume the scum wouldn't be using their investigative power to actually investigate and try to learn Town's names? If the only value of scum investigations was to block Town investigations, why even give scum an investigation, why not just give them a block?

Looking back at Day one, I see where you claimed -- it was a quick "me too" after Bill's name claim:
Note that all Mahaloth said was that he'd investigate Bill, which you took to mean he was definitely an Ito. Not a huge leap, but you didn't think to confirm that he wasn't just being dubious of Bill's claim? If you two were talking off-board, that could have been you overeagerly telegraphing a previously constructed plan of claiming the first name anyone mentioned. (I'll note you were also one of the early proponents of a name claim.)

Do you think I made a lucky guess when I said my name was 3 letters? Why would I risk that if I were scum?

I'm sure that scum has used their investigation to block Scathach's investigation of me. I don't need to speculate about it. And the obvious intent of that is to prevent another confirmed townie and to get me mislynched. Have you fallen into their mislynch trap? Or as I am beginning to suspect, did you set up the trap?

Why would a town Mahaloth who knew his name to be Rip, try to investigate someone who claimed Ito?

Mistake, I guess. I ended up investigating Mcginty, only because the other claimed rips were taken.

Scum have to lie about their first names because they don't know them. Just because someone claims to be a rip doesn't mean they're not really an Ito.


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I meant the other way around - stupid phone typing

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These were not rhetorical questions. Stop evading.

YSWIDT?

I don't think you made a lucky guess, but knowing that the first names have three letters doesn't make you Town. Perhaps scum were told all the first names had three letters to help them make up a plausible fake in the event of a name claim?

As for a mislynch trap, that was originally why I favored Mahaloth over you for toDay's lynch: because investigations cancel, we can't ever be sure scum aren't manipulating one result / Night. But writing out my argument against you, I realized that Scathach has to be Town regardless of your alignment:

Case 1: you are both Town
You got lucky and found another Townie on the first Night. Scum used their investigation to block you the next two Nights.

Case 2: you are Town, Scathach is scum
You wouldn't have gotten a Town result on him, i.e. impossible.

Case 3: you are scum, Scathach is Town
You don't know your first name, but say you matched a Town player to take name-not-knowing heat off yourself.

Case 4: you are both scum
The two of you decide to claim that you found Scathach to be Town on Night 1, but then have Scathach claim that you're lying on Nights 2 and 3. I guess it's possible Scathach convinced you to do this to give him Town credit, but I think it's so unlikely as to essentially be impossible.

With Scathach 99.99% likely to be Town, that changes the narrative from "scum are trying to keep two players from confirming each other" to "scum are trying to keep me from being confirmed". It's possible, yes, but I think it's unlikely enough to make you a good lynch.

Mahaloth is my second highest scum candidate, so you'll get no argument from me that it looks scummy. You could also very easily be scumbuddies.

all 3 of the current vote carriers have made sufficient errors to warrant the vote.

Texcat not leaving a breadcrumb- choosing the first name outed-unscanable by their supposed mate ( twice) choosing not to investigate last Night- with a target -

Mahaloth name confusion- not sure if 'e breadcrumbed until pushed ( after the name was known)

Gnarlycharlie championed Colby after the Lynch- ( do I need to link to that exchange?)-neglecting to investigate last Night-with a target

charlie did you breadcrumb? I forget


did I miss anything?
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additionally
visor you were suggested by Tex to not investigate ( did you ?)

Chaos has not posted toDay anything on gnarly?

all living players have claimed a first name- they are not all Town- cross examinations are in order- and I do agree a semi confirmed Town ( not confirmed until they are dead of course) should lead the charge

you posted in the Night thread after guiri posted and I did call you on it

Yep, I saw you asking why I wasn't investigating anyone, and I thought I had just explained. I just missed the tail end of Guiri's post. I wish you had just asked me why I wasn't investigating you as Guiri suggested.

If you are town, you know that I would have received No Result. So I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal out of this.

I did not investigate anyone as asked.

I think gnarly probably would've just claimed no result if he was mafia, I don't really agree with the line of reasoning that is voting him for not submitting at this stage anyway.

seriously? i miss one Night and you're taking me to task for that? i have been more participative than other players. i posted BEFORE the final list for investigations came out. i had family matters to attend to and being in opposite time zones didn't help either. this will be the LAST time i will address this issue.

you're wasting your vote. see my reply above to see my explanation. i was busy AND not at home. perhaps in your part of the world internet connection is available everywhere. not so here. furthermore, guiri and i had a handshake very early in the game.

i didn't champion Colby only AFTER the lynch. i've been saying it for Days. also i wouldn't say championed. that's a strong word with certain connotations. i prefer to say i made an argument for his towniness.

also if you have been truly paying attention, you will know that i dropped my breadcrumb in N1. or have you totally missed guiri's posts too.
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does anyone have a list of investigations of those with town results and who made them?

Sorry, my focus is distracted but I have done a bit of reading - ignoring most of the name stuff because I'm not good with those things, but I do see similarities to lightfoots scum game in the previous game. A lot of questioning, not a lot of leading. I'll quote some tomorrow night, I'm busy most of the day tomorrow.

re gnarly - i think buff found sisc town, i think scat found someone town.

gnarly charlie

Your arguments were most noticable after the fact= you made one post the Day he was lynched and did not mention him.

and since I double checked

gnarlys name clues Day one

the game has gone full. dead. stop.

who are we missing comments from?