Day Four -- Monster Manual Mafia
 

Another sour Day beings:
Mordenkainen is killed.
Friendly_Illithid is killed.
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for his choice to block F_I among other things.
for sheeping the wrong argument.

I've already addressed why in the prior day.

Well, shit. Didn't anyone protect Mordenkainen? I'm starting to worry that maybe we don't have enough powers after all. About the only positive is that we're still playing the game, which strongly suggests there are five (not six) Heroes. If there were six of them, the game would already be over (unless someone has a weird Day power to stop the lynch, but the rules suggest that's not the case).

I don't have any useful information to share from last Night but I might be able to corroborate others if they choose to claim.

Mordenkainen was killed by a Hero.

Friendly_Illithid was killed by a Monster.

Not sure what to make of that.

Actually, NVM; Mordenkainen technically "killed" F_I, I guess, looking at their roles.

Pfui. I had the whole WIFOM thing about whether or not to guard Mordenkainen, and I chose poorly. My bad.

Nope. You should always protect a claimed power role when there is no counterclaim. Mordenkainen was a step above the rest of us because he was keeping Friendly Illithid alive.

Bahamut, Vichy, Owlbear: I see the three of you are online right now, but not contributing to any discussion. What gives?

Just because the light is on, it doesn't mean we're at the console. I am about to start supper, but I leave the screen up for when I pass through. I'm sure i'm not the only one.

I agree my play is inept, but i'm not scum.

I've probided the information I have, and am waiting to see if anyone else has commentary about it.

I will share something about my power.

Last night, I was immune to the first two powers that were sent my way. I could have been affected by the 3rd and beyond.

We are at LyLo. What good is being coy about you're power?

Neta:...your power. Sorry for the typo. Not used to the tablet.

Fair:

Role: Displacer Beast
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral
Powers:
1. Displacement: each Night, you automatically use this power, unless you are blocked (you cannot be redirected). Any powers targeting you are listed in the player-list order of the players targeting you. The first power targeting you is redirected to the first player who ended the Day with an active vote on you. The second power is redirected to the second player, etc. If more powers are targeting you than active votes on you, the excess powers will affect you normally. Powers that cannot be redirected will affect you normally, but not take up a slot.

That's beautiful. Pleo, great job!

Well, okay then, very odd.

I was quite taken aback when Owlbear said he didn't protect Mordenkainen and yet he had jailkept Friendly earlier in the game.



Did you use your power on anyone Owlbear?

Every time a player has died, their 1-per-Night powers have the phrase "each Night", while the 1-shot powers have the phrase "once per game at Night,", "at Day or Night,", or "during the Day,". I think that also applies to the claims so far, but I didn't double-check that. (It was easy to check post 1 of every day/night thread; less so to find the individual claims.)

Power 2 doesn't fit this description -- it looks like a truncation of the common "once per game at Night," phrasing, but without the comma. Bahamut, you said in the next post "Emphasis all mine, not in the original." Aside from that, did you make any edits/deletions to this?

Yes, that's correct. I did truncate "once per game at Night", hoping that doing so might make me a more juicy target for the Heroes. I had intended to come clean about it just before Dawn but my (actual) morning was a lot busier than I expected it to be. And that's also why I held off on the first Night; I figured better to have at least two sets of results before sending them to someone else than to burn it the first Day.

But I really hadn't fully processed what F_I being outed meant, at first.

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. The power described is a Scummy one.

. The alignment detective makes no sense for Town so it probably matters to Scum. I think the "no lynch" votes on Day 1 would have certainly had 1 scum on board so as not to group all of the Scum in one anti NL subset. The only "no lynch" survivor left is GC.

for blocking the Town vig. He had no right to do that if Town.

because I have not felt in general agreement with the arguments from this player.

for hiding in the game without making much of a fuss. Scum BZ play.

Probably 5 Scum. So am guessing these five and hope for a quick wrapup of the case.

Do you suspect me, Owlbear?

Yeah, more fool me. I guarded Bahamut 'cause I thought he was a likely target.

The only people I don't suspect at this point are myself, Illithid and Gazebo ('cause the Mod sent me a note saying he was a Monster). 5 out of 8 should be easier.

Well, I'm pretty sure that means you are caught. Because if you thought I was a hero, you would not be complimenting the narrator for a beautifully crafted role; you would be accusing me of having faked it.

I know I'm playing badly. I'm retiring from the game after this one, 'cause that last play was just too stupid. If this wasn't LyLo, I'd probably go down quietly, so as to get past it. But I am Town, it's LyLo, and if I'm lynched, Town loses. So, I have to try and convince y'all not to make that easy vote. There are probably 5 Scum and 6 Town. I'm leaning Town on Bahamut, but that's it.

Not a bit of it. The Mod probably created cover roles for Scum, so this argument doesn't fly.

Yet, you wanted everyone to claim roles yesterday?

Nope. This line of thinking doesn't fly. You are caught.

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

I find myself believing Owlbear. I have seen the "You are caught" line before. It's always a Scum line.

Owlbear, if I retired from Mafia for playing badly I would have done so a long time ago. It is not time to quit when making mistakes, it is time to play more to get better.

Be prepared to be disappointed, because I'm town.

How does that follow? How does that make sense?

Why would the mod even bother crafting fake roles if they can't pass scrutiny?

You might still be town, but why would you remove your vote from Owlbear after he jail kept Friendly AND failed to protect Mord? Those are 2 not just sub-optimal plays, but downright anti-town!

The Mod creates cover roles at the start of the game. It's up to Scum to play their own roles in such a way as to match the cover roles provided, which is not always possible.

Because I believe OB. Maybe stupidly, but there it is.

I don't understand why you are casting doubt on yourself. This doesn't make sense.

Also, V-P, why is Mad Mage NOT in your list of scum?

Because at EoD yesterDay Ogre Jelly was in the lead to be lynched. Votes changed to create a 3-way vote with Onna Role and Mord. Mord claimed, and the votes shifted onto Onna Role. Onna and Mord were both Town.

It makes sense that Scum saved Ogre.

This is the first towny looking thing you've said today.

Because he/she has not raised my hackles as much as those I voted. Indeed when I unvoted Owlbear I looked at the others but was not moved to vote a new "fifth Scum" to replace Owlbear. I suspect there are five Scum, and would probably, if forced, pick Mad Mage or Ogre Jelly as the fifth. But I am not forced to make that decision so I choose not to now.

Alan_T,

Why did you encourage folks to vote for you as runner-up when such an action would divert powers from you onto those voters?

1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

Because I do doubt myself. I see the case against Owlbear. I do not understand blocking Town. I do not understand not protecting Mord. And it is suspicious that Scum did not seem worried about Owlbear protecting Mord. After all, they are far ahead so why risk a block on their kill? Just kill some random Townie and be done with it.

But emotionally I believe Owlbear, and though it indeed may be stupid to believe that player, I do. This creates a problem for me. My gut says Owlbear is innocent. So I cannot vote for them.

You did early on encourage players at the bottom of the list to go after you because they had a better chance of getting through your defenses.

See, that's not entirely accurate. I said one player, Purple Worm, would be most likely to get through, and I wasn't encouraging anyone to do it. You seem to be misremembering things.

Sorry I missed start of day. I had stuff to do and then another 13 inning baseball game to suffer through.

I was ready to vote Bahamut toDay, but the explanation of Telepathy power being a 1-shot makes sense. Kudos to Erinyes for figuring it out. And I'm still not sure about Bahamut's motive in keeping it a secret.

Gelatinous Cube, can you tell us what you did N1 and N3?

Alan, ??? Why did you single me out?

I have no idea what to make of Owlbear. Townie making a series of bad decisions? Or scum trying to look too scummy to be scum?

You were on the bottom of the list. If anyone could get through, it would be been you. Did you ever end up using a power on me and were you ever redirected?

G_Cube said he alignment investigated Strocaryn N1 if I recall correctly.

What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.