Soviet Mafia Day One
 

Welcome to the first Day of the Revolution!

While the soviet decides on the first Commissar, the first Executioner Biotop will take care of any unseemly business.

Day One will on Monday April 1, unless the vote is hammered earlier. Vote counts in the other thread.Choose well!

In case you missed it

Fair enough.



for Commissonar.

Commissar, that is.

What is the advantage of voting for a commissar that you think is scum? Is it just the assumption that they'll either try to clear another capitalist or falsely finger a soviet?

If you read my ramblings above I think it will work This Day

The top vote getter becomes the executioners target- the runner up gets a job.

the results from the commissar will be weighed in later cycles as NKs occur

Oh! I am dumb and I see it now. The commissar's election and the executioner's kill both happen at dusk. Do we know if the kill precedes the election or follows? I don't want to elect someone, they get killed and then we have no commissar that night.

That is addressed in the rules/set up thread- the runner up gets the job



It helps if you read all the words :D

Ideally a subsequent Commissar investigates them. At some point liars will be outed. Perhaps a string of them.

I think I misunderstood Lightfoot, but OK. It still works.

By voting Scum for Commissar we have a trackable vote count
AND - since we are going to be suspicious of any commissar result- at some point we will be able to confirm/deny their truthfulness.

We don't know how many Days we will have since we don't know how many Scum there are.

worst case there are 6 so we would have have less than 5 cycles to figure this out- (assuming a standard win con)- If we don't find Scum.

I read all the words in Pleo's opening two posts!

So, given the discussion so far -

I'm not sure I'm down with the plan to have a scummy commissar. We're never going to be sure of the info we get from a commissar, but it just seems like we have a better chance of getting good information if we elect someone townie. I do agree with having a different commissar every day.

Plus tomorrow we might be forced to have a different plan. If Joe and Jane are the top 2 today, do we want Jill and Jane to be the top 2 tomorrow and let Jane be commissar twice?

I suggest that we vote for commissar someone we think is trustworthy. But we can always let the next commissar check that for us. And I suggest that we use a different method like say,
Kill Logic
to designate who we want Biotop to kill. I realize that that means there's no Kill vote counter, but I will volunteer to post vote counts.

for commissar because he looks townie to me

My last two posts were in the wrong thread oops

But not all the words in mine- which I thought you were responding to :hug:
This is a light hearted post as was the origional

Just my thought about this, if we vote someone that we find scummy for commissar are we ever going to trust any result? I agree that we need someone that we find trust worthy. I also agree that we need to change both the executioner and the commissar daily.

If you read my proposal it is Day one specific.

toDay we have an executioner that will abide by the peoples' wishes
It is a recordable method to track leans.
AND I think having a Scum Commissar Day one will net us more information

Can you elaborate on why you think Logic is Scum?

This sounds great, although complicated but that is the name of this game, more like a detective story than mafia, I love. I will need to reread in the morning though, far too much wine but I like the way you think.
Actually it's not that complicated, it depends on us either voting scum or Town as our commissar?

I am trying to communicate my idea clearly, but as usual I :sciencefail: am not.

My suggestion is likely only good Day one- We do not want a string of Scum office holders

And yes we should have a new appointee for each role every cycle.

As Town I won't find anyone trustworthy ( or thier results) until I can verify it myself- so why not give Scum a little rope Day one?

Okay, you made me splutter, I do think that you could be onto something here. I am trying to understand you and the more you talk the more I feel that you are Town. At the moment I am not sure about a couple of people but that can wait until tomorrow.

for commissary. Because I said I would in sign up and requires a minimum of effort.

I did miss the part about Day 1. I still think it's a bad idea even on Day 1. If you're interested in tracking leans, I think it's much better to track town leans and scum leans separately. I see too much confusion voting for both. Just look at Inner's votes. He's voted himself and Mahaloth. Does he think they're both scummy? If we follow his lead and vote a scum lean and a town lean, it looks like it will be easy for scum to manipulate things to their advantage in a close race.

If we elect a scum commissar, and investigate him night two then we have a scum in hand, but our result from night one will be worthless. But if we elect a town commissar and investigate him night two, then we will be able to trust his result also. (Assuming we close the investigative circle at some point...)

I will put a case together on Logic eventually, but it started way back on N0 when he said he wasn't liking you at the moment without saying why.

He wasn't the only one.
Some don't like my idea(s) that is fine

It doesn't make me Scum
Scum don't float ideas as often as Town since they don't have to solve anything- just kill IMO

NETA you have just done what you say Logic did

Given my suggested model I understand the votes for Mahaloth
But as was said earlier would Scum so blantantly support having a rogue executioner?

Inner, Are you voting Mahaloth because you think he is Town?

Or do you think you are Scum?*

* rhetorical but it goes to your confusing votes

OK, I'm fine with Lightfoot's idea and I'll serve as commisar if elected. I still suspect Lightfoot, though, and Biotop(who I doubt will kill LF).

Vote Lightfoot

Does it make sense to vote to kill the person I am also voting as commisar? I think not. Bio and Lightfoot are my picks for death as well, but I am conflicted what to vote in terms of death.

If I am the vote leader I am fine with the executioner taking me out- it is what was agreed on ( by some)

If Biotop does not follow through with the promised outcome - again Town will gain knowledge.


I have said if we get a Scum Commissar it will be outed in the coming Days- so why not?

Do you plan on doing more that this?
Ok in the sign up you said you would vote Maha and you have- twice

can you move on now?

I voted for Mahaloth understanding that we were voting for the scummiest player to get axed by Biotop. And then I voted for myself because at the time, Dead Cat was second in line to be Commissar. But if we're not doing that plan, then I am reconsidering.

Ugh, stop it. Now, I don't suspect you as much. I like my suspects to act all suspicious. Still, leaving my commisar vote on you.

For now, I also say to kill you, though it feels like cognitive dissonance.

Kill Lightfoot

I will try to make sense of this when I get back from town.I can't right now

How is your Tuesday? I would vote for a filibuster to give you more time.

Don't try, even I don't get it.

If you are really just going with the top vote getter, can you just PM that to Pleonast right now? Then tell him otherwise if you decide against it.

You mean voting to kill him without saying why? Perhaps. But I am voting to kill him. I saw his remark about you as more of a smudge, testing the waters.

Kill votes

Logic: 1, Texcat[14]
Lightfoot: 1, Mahaloth[31]

I am going with the player most people want killed. It works for me for that player to be the one selected as Commissar, but because everyone has not agreed to that plan I would like to hear from the other players. I can see how that might be a problem if there is a tie.

Mahaloth, I would have no problem with you being first Commissar. It would pretty much ensure you being investigated at some point, hopefully Night 2.

If you claim to find Scum, then we kill the person you say is Scum and then you get investigated. Then the new Commissar could be investigated. And so on. Every time a Commissar is investigated and reads Town, that makes all the previous investigation results accurate unless/until someone gets a Scum read. Once we get a Scum read we kill the player who is supposed to be Scum, but we still investigate the Commissar.

This plan suffers setbacks if the new Commissar does not investigate the previous Commissar, but as long as we elect a different Commissar every Night it should still work in the long run.

Note: Once there is a Scum read,it puts the results of previous investigations in doubt. But as long as we kill the player named as Scum but still investigate the Commissar involved, we can find the liar once we elect a true Town Commissar.

If there is a tie pick one= simple. the only thing a Town read does is give the commissar ( if Town) someone to trust.
I don't follow the part I underlined above.

Quote: Originally Posted by LightFoot (Post 1515261) Quote: Originally Posted by Biotop (Post 1515190) ~ I am going with the player most people want killed. It works for me for that player to be the one selected as Commissar, but because everyone has not agreed to that plan I would like to hear from the other players. I can see how that might be a problem if there is a tie. If there is a tie pick one= simple. Quote: Mahaloth, I would have no problem with you being first Commissar. It would pretty much ensure you being investigated at some point, hopefully Night 2. If you claim to find Scum, then we kill the person you say is Scum and then you get investigated. Then the new Commissar could be investigated. And so on. Every time a Commissar is investigated and reads Town, that makes all the previous investigation results accurate unless/until someone gets a Scum read. Once we get a Scum read we kill the player who is supposed to be Scum, but we still investigate the Commissar. This plan suffers setbacks if the new Commissar does not investigate the previous Commissar, but as long as we elect a different Commissar every Night it should still work in the long run. the only thing a Town read does is give the commissar ( if Town) someone to trust. I don't follow the part I underlined above.

If there is a tie at EOD I cannot pick one if I am at work and not online. The rules say I have to pick someone during the Day to execute at dusk. If it is tied when I go to work it might still be several hours before EOD. Even if it is not tied the vote for Commissar could change over that post-8am Monday period. It just seems better to me to pick a time that I can be online (8 am Eastern) Monday and just send in the kill on the one we want to kill at that time. We could filibuster until Tuesday when I am home until 1pm Eastern, but does it really matter? We have several days and I hope it is all sorted out by Monday morning.

What I mean by the part you underlined is simple. If a previous Commissar is investigated and the result is Town, then the current investigator knows that the previous investigation report was true. And if the next Commissar investigates that Commissar and gets a Town read, he/she will know that Both previous investigations were true. Meanwhile, if we keep selecting different Commissars and keep getting Town reads, we would have to have had a string of very bad luck in picking Commissars that are all lying Scum to be wrong about all the investigations.

But if the Commissar comes back with a Scum report on the previous Commissar, then we cannot trust the previous report(s) until we discover which of our disputing Commissars is actually the Scum.

Biotop. as close as you can to EOD choose who ever has the most votes- I don't have a problem with it an neither should anyone else.

"If a previous Commissar is investigated and the result is Town, then the current investigator knows that the previous investigation report was true. And if the next Commissar investigates that Commissar and gets a Town read, he/she will know that Both previous investigations were true"
It is not that simple


It only works IF the commissar is Town in each phase- and we- as a group= would not know those things at all

Bill Investigates Sue: Town

Tom investigates Bill : Town

Julia investigates Tom: Town

Alice investigates Julia: Scum

1. So either Julia is Scum OR
2. Alice is Scum OR
3. Alice and Julia are both Scum.

The only way Sue could be Scum is if Bill, Tom, and Julia are also Scum. The only way Bill could be Scum is if Tom and Julia, are both also Scum. The only way Tom could be Scum is if Julia is Scum.

We kill Julia and investigate Alice.

Unless we are very bad a picking Commissars, we should be able to get good information this way.

With the suspicion, even as low level that it was, that Biotop levied against Mahaloth during night 0, I gotta say this is an odd vote.

Biotop even claimed the Commissar was the more important role.

I believe at the moment, Biotop is planning on axing the top commissar vote getter.

It's not a matter of "even" claiming. Commissar is the more important role as long as we elect executioners and not vigs.

If Mahaloth is executed I am OK with that. His case for rogue Executioner is bad. If Mahaloth ends up instead Night 1 Commissar, that's OK too. He will be investigated. I don't know whether Mahaloth is Scum or not. But as half the players are hardly posting at all he is all I got.

Ugh, so I guess I should read the rules. I thought I had a handle on them, but I seem to be more confused than I thought.

OOG, sorry for my less than minimal effort. On top of all my other shit recently, I managed to smash up my car. Plus a new update for State of Decay 2 just dropped. The combination of the 2 events means I spend more time at my parents home playing xbox than going to the bar, which is where I usually play this game...

Ok, do we know how many capitalist pigs there are? 4? 3? Have we had this discussion yet?

I was going suggest we hire 3 or 4 different people as commissar over as many days and have ALL of them investigate the same person. And then have that person be commissar until the end if s/he gets town read by the previous 3/4 commissars.

BUT, this is while I was under the impression that there was no night kill and just an execution. So...nevermind.

There's definitely no more than 6 and if someone is dead on Day 2, no less than 1.