Scooby-Do Mafia: Day Three
 

What!? Another peaceful Night? What a world, what a world...

Day Three will end on Wednesday 25 October at 1pm California time.

Current votes at https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpo...39&postcount=4

There is a certain Star Trek Episode that comes to mind here.

To say the least, I will await more information, before I give more information. That information will not be from Chip. And I don't expect it will be gained easily, or can be gained expediently, if at all. You know who you are, and you also know your timing.

Godspeed with all of that.

My vote stays put until then.

Well, so much for confirming numbers.

What of it?

I know you didn't get a guilty on me if you scanned me. I know that, if a kill targeted you at least, I am the reason it didn't succeed.

My money's either on (a) wol(f/ves) trying to bury me under a pile of whyfoam so big, there """must""" be a scumbag underneath it, OR a fortunate interdiction by one of our other Snackers.

Speaking of which...
@Skybreaker;
@The Angel Satan;
@The Pumpkin Queen;
Anything to report?

@Annie Wilkes Miseried My Shin;
That last line here should be corrected to if there's a D3 with 4 players or less, then there's only one scum. That obviously didn't happen, meaning we're still potentially 2:3 and your vote is still potentially game-ending hammer bait if hammers are indeed on. (The rules say nothing about it now I've checked.)

Not gonna have a lot of time today because of work but I will layout some thoughts

Since any team with X in it is busted, and I've already spilled plenty of ink on Sky's alleged individual scumminess, I feel like I need to take a far closer look at Satan and Pumpkin Queen than I have been. Yes, any of this work can be rendered moot whenever Annie takes the lid off her results, but patching a blind spot is always advantageous.

I am also pro-massclaim in this situation, but that's up to y'all

What result do you think I got? :science:

No. Really. Think about it. :sciencefail:

You understand where I am now?

I am delightfully a bit lost. Delighted that there were no deaths, but also a bit surprised.

And I definitely am missing something in the the scan conversation...

Let's blame bad decisions being made now or very near to it.

Well, I can safely say you didn't wander around and check anyone else. That would require you to have trusted my claim, which you very visibly did NOT.

That leaves three possibilities:

• Guilty, meaning you're lying, which easily catapults you to my Pantheon of the Bravest, Boldest, Most Long-Game-Playing Wuffs I've Ever Seen. And if you have a partner, you almost certainly win outright, because even before I protected you, I struggled to find anything even remotely scummy about your posts. You've got me over a barrel, and it's full of hungry piranhas. Jolly good show if so.
• No Result, which your post seems to be subtly hinting at, meaning you got blocked in some way. While undoubtedly disappointing, this is like, MafiaWolf 101 for any scumteam that has a block power. Doesn't technically point towards me, though it does fit in seamlessly with an overall strategy to make the scum!Chip world irresistibly tantalizing.
• Innocent, which you could still be hard-distrusting because Godfathers/Tailors exist. The height of the tinfoil hat you've displayed this game would certainly not make this impossible. (I've seen the hat! it's beautiful!)

Gun to my head, though (and there is a gun to my head, and you're holding it) I'd guess No Result.

work now

"scooby-do" :haw:

I have no information to report. Kind of surprised at two straight nights of no-death. All good news, though.

Is a mass claim crazy at this point? Not many of us left.

>>> Well, I can safely say you didn't wander around and check anyone else. That would require you to have trusted my claim, which you very visibly did NOT.

Why would I Lie?

Why is lying top of mind for you? Why does this have top placement?

Related, are you suggesting that you did other things to me, beyond protect?

>>>Guilty, meaning you're lying, which easily catapults you to my Pantheon of the Bravest, Boldest, Most Long-Game-Playing Wuffs I've Ever Seen.

I'm flattered that you think MY play, especially in this game, especially given the breadcrumbs I've already brought forth, and my claim brought forth, still is doing you in.

In plain terms, this is not a Pantheon or even a Paragon of great play. This is the pits. I'm not sure your end game here, but, if we can share in stress, then indeed we share it. This game has been shit on me.
... And Legit, on a personal level, outside of Mafia, I'd like to think we are still cool with each other. I've said it once, will say again, you are one of the first people to "get" me. I'd like to keep that relationship.

>>>And if you have a partner, you almost certainly win outright, because even before I protected you, I struggled to find anything even remotely scummy about your posts. You've got me over a barrel, and it's full of hungry piranhas. Jolly good show if so.

I mean, I am town. So, "Partner" I'm not quite sure how to answer that, right? Partner, no, not per se, but others on my team? Yes.

This is the "Chip" I know here. But, the barrels are multiple here.

>>>No Result, which your post seems to be subtly hinting at, meaning you got blocked in some way. While undoubtedly disappointing, this is like, MafiaWolf 101 for any scumteam that has a block power. Doesn't technically point towards me, though it does fit in seamlessly with an overall strategy to make the scum!Chip world irresistibly tantalizing.

It's interesting, you seem closest to how I feel about my result here, but, again, you have things a bit out of place. This is the one Answer that should be top of mind. Only, not with "No Result" but with other, different words.



What exactly do you mean by "Guilty" by the way? Has there ever, EVER been a detective result, in ANY game, that returns "Guilty" ?



My Results don't work that way. I'm not sure the Detective role, ever, works that way. .... Your diction here seems ... motivated.

Also, the phrasing of "" which your post seems to be subtly hinting at, "" is odd. There is a subtle hint here alright. But it's not from what I've not said. It's from something you've said.


>>>Innocent, which you could still be hard-distrusting because Godfathers/Tailors exist. The height of the tinfoil hat you've displayed this game would certainly not make this impossible. (I've seen the hat! it's beautiful!)[/LIST]

Ah. here it is.

Proclaim innocence, and cast doubt on me. There is no benefit in us tossing Godfathers around. That has no end.

>>>The height of the tinfoil hat you've displayed this game would certainly not make this impossible. (I've seen the hat! it's beautiful!)

Yeah, I have to admit the hat was beautiful. Its just too bad that you've smudged it, left, right, and center.



This is that "subtle hint" you were talking about earlier.



I have no guns. Do you?

Chip

Are you suggesting that I am not Town now?

Are you changing your story?

.... Does Town need to change stories? Ever?

My result was actually none of the above.

But, interesting that you seem to have ""known"" that, and what's more, insist that it had to be one of your only three possibilities.


There is an amount of strong-arm here that, I'm not sure is town. You seem to be speaking from an authority that is not yours, never was yours, and needs to become yours, in order to win.

"What exactly do you mean by "Guilty" by the way? Has there ever, EVER been a detective result, in ANY game, that returns "Guilty" ?"

It did (before Normal rule revisions) on MafiaScum, which is where I first played with "Mafia" flavor
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Guilty

Here's my account dating back to 2010 if you don't believe me
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...action=history

I don't think I've ever been cop here either. Just assume that whenever I say innocent I mean "town" and when I say "guilty" I mean "not town" or whatever the proper corresponding results are. Gircs of habit.

(Sorry for not quoting, hard to manage on phone and I've got bed lock like you wouldn't believe right now)

Does my last post of the night sound like an argument from authority to you?

I certainly FEEL like I have at least slightly sturdier legs to stand on bc of the work I put in.. but that attitude kills towns dead AND enough people think I'm full of shit that I openly invited people to deviate from my suggestions, as long as they had valid reasons to.

But more importantly I don't see how the bolded is possible.

Ohh

Oooihhhohohoh

I think I get it now!!

You DID go off-script, didn't you.

Because I was the one suggesting the scan in the first place. And you didn't trust m for shite, so of COURSE you didn't scan me because I might have had something to do with my evil Master plN?

I didn't think of that possibility at all. Until now of course. Very very clever and smart play there.

And now I realize .. if you have two town results that aren' me... and you know you yourself is innocent...that means the only scum candidates remaining are myself, and some other unlucky bastard. Right Annie?

Please tell me this is true

And if it is, please tell me who that other poor schmuck is so I can at least vote them and die with some dignity.

Not that I would particularly GAF if you didn't though. Because in this case the game is sewn up. Once I flip town it's clear that the other person is scum they still die, town wins.

If we're both scum then it doesn't even matter if you gave me the option to theatrical bus my buddy or not. We still die, town wins.

It's checkmate. So spill it if ta got it!

Annie, we’re nearing endgame, you’ve made a claim and allegedly investigated Chip, and it’s time for you to lay your cards on the table. You need to start posting coherently. Maybe copy/paste. This posting style of yours is starting to rankle me, and we need the information you should have, if you’re really town.

"" Major Chip Hazard is not a member of the Scooby-Doo Gang. ""

And because this game was designed, or should I say, not designed at all, let me do the following, concurrently.









:foil: :pure: or whatever coping mechanism / faith you buy into at this point.

NETA :: "And because this game was Designed, or should I say, not designed at all, [for maximum Chaos].

Annie Wilkes Miseried My Shin you voted Chip right out of the gate at the beginning of toDay (Post #2), presumably based on the results of your investigation. You've been asked to reveal the results, yet you continue to spew mostly incomprehensible nonsense. Now you've unvoted Chip and you're voting No Un-Mask (whatever that means).

The first sentence of the game rules thread: "This is a mafia game with exactly two sides." It's pretty binary. If Chip isn't Town, he's Scum. And yet, you've unvoted him. How do you explain this flip-flop? Why did you vote, then unvote?

Again, I'd like to see copy/paste of your investigation process, so I can evaluate it on its own merit. I don't want your interpretation - I want to draw my own conclusions.

Annie, you need to start making sense.

The following, still in my clipboard, is the exact cut and paste of my result. ::

Major Chip Hazard is not a member of the Scooby-Doo Gang.


As for "" Incomprehensible Nonsense "" , I've been dealing with that since we started playing.

Hopefully the Mod will answer your questions.

Skybreaker

If you are frustrated just now, you approach how I have been since I realized that "" You Will Leave The Game "" was an ambiguous phrase. And not a "Lovers" role.

You say you want no interpretation from me. Fair enough. The only other thing I can offer you is for you to appeal to the Mod. [[Hey, this is not unlike dealing with customers at work, and asking for management. .... And I had this week off from work, too. Dammit.]]

If there are two factions, and we assume one of them (Scoobie Doo Gang) are the good guys, and Chip is not a member of that faction, doesn’t that mean Chip is a bad guy?

You would think.

And so did I.


And Then I asked.

I was told

" You can read the rules "

and then given

Good Guys win when all Bad Guys are unmasked. The Scooby-Doo gang are Good Guys, but there are others. Good Guys typically don't know who else is on their side, but they outnumber the Bad Guys. Bad Guys win when they strictly outnumber the Good Guys. Bad Guys have a secret chat and a Nightly unmasking. No one can switch sides.

I've added in an underline that was given to me in my response. The following followed the above ::

Underlining added for emphasis.

You can also look at the reveals of players who have left the game.


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Which, I would like to think, points to Chip being Town.

But can I really think that? Or is that me, like you, giving in to someone else's interpretation?


And then, finally, it's like, ok, ..... what other options do I have, to go above and beyond all the ambiguity?

And why were we even given the option to not "Un-mask" , or do the other wise ""daily unpleasantness""


From where I sit, not un-masking needs to be entertained. Because we are getting no-where fast as is. Obviously.

I’m still not clear on the linkage in your reasoning that makes Chip town.

There are two sides, the Scoobie Doo gang are the good guys. Chip is not a member of the Scoobie Doo gang.

How can Chip be a good guy?

Again. I have been frustrated this entire game over the ambiguities. I'm really not sure what to tell you. I'm not trying to be impossible here. You can ask Pleonast.

You asked for cut copy paste, verbatim. You have them. You wanted it stripped of my additional commentary / editorializing .... you have it.


I'm > < close to giving up on this game entirely, and probably already should have given it up.

And yes, I say that, as Power Town.

I'm not asking Pleonast anything. I'm asking you.

Pleonast said this...
This is a mafia game with exactly two sides

This statement defines the binary nature of the game. There are Good Guys and there are Bad Guys.

Annie Wilkes Miseried My Shin (you) said this...

The Scooby-Doo gang are Good Guys

and this


Major Chip Hazard is not a member of the Scooby-Doo Gang.


Please explain where you disagree in this chain of logic

Was Chip claiming to be a member of the Gang?

Ohh.

Oh that's actually terrible.

WTF, Pleo?

@Skybreaker;
No. You haven't been paying attention. (Or have just written yourself into a corner, either or. But it's beneficial to all remaining townies to lay this out explicitly.)

The Night 1 flip revealed Kenough to be both a Good Guy in the [U]Scooby-Doo Gang.[/I]

Would be simple enough, except that on Night 2, the flip revealed XÆA-12SDAD to also be a Good Guy, but he wasn't a member of the Scooby-Doo Gang. He was a Busybody, just like me.

So the real alignment dichotomy is between Good Guys and Bad Guys, not SDG vs. Busybodies. That last seems to purely be a vague indication of power level or something...meaning that Annie's results are not alignment indicative at all.

You understand her frustrations now?

Indeed

So let's you and me palaver, Chip. Who do you think are the scum? I'm suspicious of you, you're suspicious of me. Let's put that aside for a moment, and assume you and I are just a couple of Good Guy, not scum. Maybe you're a Busybody, maybe I am too, or part of The Gang, but that detail may not be relevant for now so maybe we can set it aside. Let's also assume that Annie is on our side. Who's that leave?

The Angel Satan

The Pumpkin Queen

Let's take a good look at there two. What do you say?

NETA

Whereas before, I felt like shit either way voting for Chip, damned if you do / don't, now I feel that way over voting, period

Do we still pile on Chip because how invested we are there? Or do [th]ey get a pass?

Do we move to anyone else? And what do we have as far as a case there?

... How have we gone two nights without an unmask?

What is our actual math?

Are we in the end game?

Do I need to get the foil hat back out?

Have we let this game get to us?

Do the costumes hurt the gameplay overall, ala Sanford Prison Experiment?

....Is this still fun for anybody?

I was hoping someone else could "work" on this a bit. I'm kinda tapped here.

Today's wordle didn't help. I got it. But I took a very scenic route to it.

@The Pumpkin Queen;
@The Angel Satan;

I had a more detailed post for you here, but my desktop browser crashed in the middle of it.

The points therein were 1) I never claimed Gang, literally the first sentence of my D2 was me misunderstanding what "Busybody" in my role PM meant

And 2) knowing what we know now, we should def mass claim. Too much information has been swallowed by vague reveals already and give that it may be 2:3 any info we're still sitting on is more beneficial to town than scum.

of course, these should be full and final claims, with all cards on the table, all details included, and nothing sneakily reservedaway for later. And Annie should go last both for fairly obvious reasons.

-

I'll start to give a general idea of it

I am Astrid Vikingsson, a Busybody aligned with the Good Guys

Powers:
- 1-Shot Doc protection (specifically phrased as protecting againstbALL kills)
- SCOOBY SNACK: 1 extra Doc shot

Action History:
- N1: protected Annie
- N2: protected Annie

Yes, I do feel like there's a need to examine both of them more closely after the series of oxygen sulking thunderdomes that was D2.

Getting them to commit to a claim today is part of that process for me

Annie, you have a Scoobie Snack, so one more investigation, right?

Would you be willing to investigate either The Angel Satan or The Pumpkin Queen toNight, and share the results toMorrow?

I'd be content with an investigation into either one of them.

I'm cool with claiming or being investigated.

My vibe/feeling is that Major Chip....is Town. There is no assuredness in this statement, just feeling and going with my gut. I have zero investigation knowledge or anything.

Pumpkin Queen, you good with claiming? I am at this point. I have zero read on Pumpkin and it makes me suspicious that I've gone this far with no feel.

@Pumpkin Queen

Sorry, I mean:

@The Pumpkin Queen

And I'd be content investigating you.

Unless you object?

I'm cool with partially claiming.
I AM a member of the Scooby gang.

I can vouch that Velma is a member of the Scooby gang.
. And that Chip isn't.



But Elon Tusk was a good guy without being a part of the gang.

No objections whatsoever

Not much here to work with. You vouch for Velma and confirm that Chip isn’t a member of the Scoobie Doo gang. How? What is your insight? If you’ve been revealed as lurking scum, this would be a good start to establishing an otherwise nonexistent posting history - soft snuggle to Annie, keeping the low-level suspicion on Chip without coming on too strong, and more or less aligning to a townie perspective.

Your post isn’t much more that a between plays but of commentary on the current drive in a football game. If you’re not scum you shouldn’t be afraid to post and add some real commentary.

How can you vouch for Velma?

I am also a member of the Scooby gang. My power was to investigate solely to see if someone else was a member. I investigated Chip, and I investigated Annie. I didn't realize that was Annie's, too, I was hoping it was more generic good/bad.

I'm not scum, lurking or otherwise, and I am now powerless.

I'm not entirely cool with FULL claiming just yet.

Why not?