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Old 3rd January 2022, 12:38 AM
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As promised. A little morning reading here. The case for and against trusting pizza is town. LONG.

(Full disclosure: if I had not borked the D2 vote and Silverjan also had not done a similar thing, he would be gone, I think. Well, I don't know about Silverjan, I do know about me. So which way does the luck fall here?)

1. In his first post (or anyway an early one) The teal “not today” posters were
Pleonast
Dizzy
Bashorian Clement
Meeko
Annoying Christmas Singer
Suburban Plankton

I said this didn’t agree with my list--without actually giving my list, some of them did agree, like Dizzy and Meeko. The rejoinder was that he just got in the game and hadn’t read. Okay. That was D2. On D3 he now agrees with most of my list, which my top two include two people on his “not today” list.

2. I have some private scumtells, formulated by going through and seeing who used them more, scum or town. And he hit them. These, by the way, are not tells listed in Pizza’s Guide, or they might be, I haven’t read the whole thing. Anyway he hit a couple. This is not a biggie because town do them too. I mentioned one of them, which is “flipping XXX will give us information on YYY,” because, duh, flipping YYY will also give information on YYY. I might have been particularly sensitive because player XXX was ME, and I have been playing the game, and player YYY was Annoying Christmas Singer, who has not. Again: people also do this when they’re town; I’ve seen it more often as scum. I have not read nearly as many games as Pizza.

3. Hits the “I’m town” thing pretty hard including saying he’s voting BillMc with two hardworking townies. Bothers me when people do this but I have certainly seen Pizza do this as town.

4. In the next post after giving his town leans he states he has only the thinnest of reasons NOT to vote Pleonast and Singer. This was approximately 15 minutes after the first post.

5. Came down hard on BillMc, who was frankly not the towniest player I’ve ever seen, so meh. I can’t fault this, I was very nearly voting BillMc myself.

6. Survived the night, nobody tried to kill him, that doesn’t make any sense because it seems like a scum team he wasn’t on would definitely try to kill him, and there were two of them. So possibly they didn’t want to both hit the same player?

now onto:

Reasons why pizza might be town

1. Changes his reads as he goes along. This is kind of a town tell for me, and for a lot of people, not that it hasn’t occasionally led me astray. But see #2.

2. Did not appear to know that scum cannot talk in Day phases, or that there was no Night 0 before the game. Town tell, is pizza a good enough player to know that? To fake these town tells? Fuck yeah, but…he was getting up to speed fast. Yes, he could be pretending not to know that, but it didn’t read that way.

3. He is saying things that make sense from a Town perspective, picking up on things other people have noted, from a Town perspective.

4. Probably illogical but when people quickly read me as Town I get a little suspicious, this doesn’t make any sense. Well, pizza did not immediately read me as town, and after the last time we played that definitely makes sense, if he remembers.

5. Desperate hope. If nothing else he’s livened up the game and gotten a few people more involved. There was a lot of apathy.

6. NKs, I don’t think scum pizza would have hit raven who voted for him, even though the other scum team might well feel that was a good idea to maybe frame him. scum-pizza might have hit dizzy, as he’d cleared her. Night action bingo, who knows.

7. And finally, quite aside from whether pizza is really Town and acting in Town’s best interest, his ideas line up pretty well with mine and I am definitely acting in Town’s interest.


TLDR: I was ready to vote pizza out yesterday and earlier today, now I have decided to trust him, time will tell if this is correct or just more lunatic play.