[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what I am reading as I go along, when I read the following post.

Note: This can read like sarcasm or mockery.

That is why communication via written text can be ambiguous. Its neither thing. This is what I am seeing as intentions when I see Jan commit to the following thoughts and positions, from my perspective.

Originally Posted by Silverjan No they don't but perhaps warrants a vig kill. "Use the town vig shot on a townie / non teammate scum of mine, tonight please, I do not have to care which." It looks as if scum have jumped onto the ACS bandwagon and I am a bit surprised that Vanta changed her mind about pizza and ACS but I have a strong feeling that pizza is scum. "For random reasons, I conclude pizza is scum. I am not worried in any way about being wrong, because I can afford to be wrong, because I am scum. And anyone who is eliminated in this game who is not on my very small team advances my win conditions, so I do not have to care. And even when every single townie has to vote together to advance town's win conditions, I am going to vote for a one-off in defiance of both of town's power role claimants, openly and deliberately dividing the vote, which means when my vote for pizza is wrong... (and it is) That provides the five scums outside of my body (because I am claiming to be town) with the crucial sixth vote for Pizzaguy, losing the game for town. But I am totally unconcerned about this. Because I am scum, and there aren't five scumbags outside of my body, for I am Silverjan and I am scum. If I am still voting for Pizza after the day concludes, I am lickity lock scum for being unconcerned with the situation, the dire circumstances town is in, or even voting united with the only people we can be most sure are town, not to mention, essentially lock scum from Pizza's perspective due to MYLO divided vote for a townie. Same as Return of the Clowns Day Four. Same scenario, on repeat." I wouldn't be surprised if scum did protect a Town player just to get him/her lynched but my feelings in this game have been up to maggots anyway. "Scum like to risk getting shot by opposing scum, and not only that, they love to protect a player of unknown alignment who is town by default for some reason." I don't think my vote is needed on ACS but I want on record that I think pizza is scum. I hope to hell ACS is scum because we cannot afford to fail this time.' "I hope ACS is scum. I will not vote for the player I think is scum."

So that is what I am hearing in my mind when I am reading that post.

That's what it sounds like to me, because I am pizza and I hold the pizzaguy card which says Mall Santa on it, in a MYLO voting situation where Jan decided I was scum after I logged off in the previous day, exactly the same way Vanta Black did in Return of the Clowns on Day Four when I was dogpiled by scum after I logged off in the day phase.

The blatant display of not voting with town and voting for a townie here indicates to me that Silverjan is absolutely signalling to the opposing scum team that she can reliably be counted on to vote against town if they do so as well today.

Can this be wrong? Of course. Can Jan simply be incorrect? Uh huh. Can she have stuck up for a vulnerable but turned out to be scum archangel despite not being on AA team? Sure, that's not hard to explain from a day one townie. Would I be forced to evaluate her on those terms if she bothered to ever vote with town and for a scum at any point? Absolutely.

Do I need to do so under these circumstances? Or can I do so, is the point?

I cannot do so. To do so is gambling the game on someone openly siding with scum all game long without fail, who has no sense of urgency, no sense of danger, no desire to solve, no case work, no suspects outside of pizza which is incorrect, in a situation where, like Return of the Clowns Day Five, she literally needs to have more than one suspect at a time or she is not town at all, and still failed to produce multiple suspects of her own or vote with town.

So I don't need to continue putting mental processing power into Jan's alignment. That's a dead end for me (personally). Others have to continue to evaluate her, but if she is town, the game is already over for town, more or less.

I could invest more time into Jan's alignment than this, but due to a lack of overall time, and these specific circumstances, that cannot be anything but a time sink.

Each one of the yeets and vigs remaining have to be on a scumbag, because town is in that position.

And, again, like Return of the Clowns Day Four, I would rather be voting with other scums on a scumbag, than with a townie on a townie.

In the event something absolutely silly like a lack of coordination between teams occurs, or within teams, and the scums are caught voting divided, and town votes united in a manner that doesn't lose, then it once again matters what Jan's alignment is.

Until then, I actually have to proceed with the game as though I know Silverjan is scum aligned, even when I do not actually know that for a fact.

Which is a real shame when that's not the case, but the choice isn't really up to me anymore. And I am explaining why. And those reasons might not make total sense to someone if they play the game really casually and for funsies and don't have that sense of urgency or minding of the tally, which is a thing that has already happened in the previous day phase, meaning, townies voting willy nilly and in a manner that cant even cause a yeet even if they were correct.

Why I wrote this post despite the massive danger it doesnt get understood or read correctly: Because it is important to be absolutely open and honest and communicate as clearly as possible in this exact situation.

That way, if and when Jan is somehow town, there is that one percent chance the game isn't thrown away today. Because I have to think about that scenario, because I don't have the luxury of not considering that scenario and trying to path out a victory for town in that scenario. I have to try to win the game for town even when that happened to be the case, and that would be a win that would be snatched not from the jaws of defeat, but the lower intestines.

I have done it before, but not completely. I did reverse at LYLO on two players I thought were town and two players I thought were scum and had them exactly the opposite, but I didn't do it completely. I only got halfway there in time.

That's really hard for town to ever do. It's nearly impossible.

If Swammerdami wasn't super duper lock town to me in ROTC by Day Four, his vote there for me would have sealed town into a loss. Thankfully it was MYLO and scums didn't vote united.

Here, something similar may be happening so I thought about it. Spent a good 20 minutes thinking on it and typing it out, time I really needed to solve everyone else, just to make sure I wasn't overlooking the Jan is town scenario.

You lock a townie as scum here and town loses no matter how many other guesses are correct. That's burned my ass a jillion times already and ruined otherwise incredible games and 100 hour efforts by me, and I learned that lesson and wrote pages about it as literal lessons elsewhere.

If you fill in a sudoku incorrectly with a single number, in permanent ink, the puzzle cannot ever be completed properly. Right now, Jan is marking down my name incorrectly in permanent ink.

And I am checking her carefully and my only conclusion has to be that she is doing it deliberately, considering everything else she is doing and has done.

Can a townie look exactly like they are doing all that deliberately? Yes.

Can I afford to think that way after end of day today? That's Jan's deadline for looking anything like a villager in any way shape or form. After that, no, I have to close off that universe forever.