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Old 29th June 2022, 07:29 AM
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1. Vanta was the NK and some other role took out PCM. (Unlikely though because I believe the breadcrumb.)

2. PCM was the NK and someone else shot at Vanta, regardless of his power. (More likely than 1.)

3. Someone targeted Kaiveran with a non-scum kill, and Vanta died because of it.

If someone targeted Kaiveran with a non-scum kill such as a vig, would Vanta die if Kaiveran was town?
I misread the role at the start, thinking that any actions targeted at Vanta would go to the person they were hiding behind instead, it's since been clarified. I can try again for you...

Vanta could choose to hide behind a player at Night
While hiding, Vanta cannot be targeted directly by any action
If the player hidden behind is scum, Vanta dies
If the player hidden behind is not scum, but a target of any action, Vanta will also become a target for the same action

So, since Vanta turned up dead, there are three possibilities:
1. They did not use their power, and were a target for a scum or other NK
2. They used their power, and hid behind a scum player, and auto-died
3. They user their power, hid behind a non-scum player, who was targeted for any NK, and so Vanta also died - this would have to be PCM. In this scenario, there was only one successful NK, there might have been another that was blocked, protected or otherwise failed
(4. maybe a 4th option is a redirector or strongman kill which is successful against any kind of protection)

So, if that's any clearer, to your scenarios:
1. Vanta would have been protected against any NK by hiding, so either they did not use their power, or were not the scum NK target
2. Someone else could not have shot at Vanta, for the same reason, unless they did not use their power
3. In this case Kaiveran would have died too, and we'd have had three deaths. If Kaiveran had been protected, 'ey and Vanta both would have survived

I asked the question because you seem to believe that this breadcrumb is true, yet are not voting Kaiveran, so I'm confused as to how you can both believe Vanta hid behind Kaiveran and Kaiveran is not worthy of your vote?
I do not understand Vanta's role and I don't understand your explanation of it and I'm so stressed I don't have time to figure it out. I will try to recircle but things are a hot mess IRL right now.

I absolutely believe the breadcrumb is true, and I don't think Kaiveran is scum. So I need to know if there are any other possibilities, and I'm sorry, you're trying to spell it out for me but I don't get it.

Does everyone agree with Guiri that if Vanta hid behind Kaiveran, Kaiveran MUST be scum?

Please still answer my question above.