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Back to the old way, with italics. 9 14.52%
Keep it the current way, without italics. 19 30.65%
I hadn't noticed any change, so I guess I don't care. 17 27.42%
Fuck you! Fuck you right in the butt! 17 27.42%
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:37 AM
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Quote box text: italicized or not?

In response to a casual inquiry, I went off half-cocked and changed the style of quote boxes to mimic a recent change at the SDMB, wherein the quoted text is no longer italicized by default, thus preserving any italics used by the quotee to make it clear what a dick they think you are.

Now, I shall query the membership to see how they feel about this change. Please vote, and vote hard.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:39 AM
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Now, I shall query the membership to see how they feel about this change. Please vote, and vote hard. VOTE THE FUCK OUT OF IT MOTHERFUCKERS!
Yeah, I can see the benefit to not having any extra formatting in the quote. I'm liking it.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:40 AM
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I just couldn't not pick that last one, but I do prefer non-italicized quotes.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:41 AM
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I don't think I noticed. Doesn't bother me one way or another, either.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:41 AM
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I object to the fact that I can't keep it the current way and fuck you in the butt.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:42 AM
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I just couldn't not pick that last one, but I do prefer non-italicized quotes.
I, too, couldn't resist the last one... however, I think I like the italicized quotes better.

In the end, though, I'm fine with whatever the outcome is.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:43 AM
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I object to the fact that I can't keep it the current way and fuck you in the butt.
Life is full of hard choices.
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I am going to protest by drinking strong red wine, eating pasta and building expensive over-engineered high maintenance sports cars until you change it back.

So there!


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Old 27th October 2010, 09:48 AM
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Life is full of hard choices.
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Old 27th October 2010, 09:49 AM
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I would now also like the option to fuck Chacoguy in the butt for stealing my snigger at "hard."
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I voted to keep things as they now are, as I would like this place to be as much like the SDMB as possible. I am also looking forward to the day when all the pottymouths around here can no longer say 'cunt'.
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I would now also like the option to fuck Chacoguy in the butt for stealing my snigger at "hard."
You shouldn't have gotten mad at the first joke choice being taken, you should have just gone with the next one on the list.

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Life is full of hard choices.
Like your butt.




See? (oops, now I stole THAT one...)
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Old 27th October 2010, 10:03 AM
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I voted to keep things as they now are, as I would like this place to be as much like the SDMB as possible. I am also looking forward to the day when all the pottymouths around here can no longer say 'cunt'.

**lashes Borborygmi with wet noodles**


Oh, unless that was saaaaaarcasm.
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See? (oops, now I stole THAT one...)
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Honestly I didn't notice, so I guess I don't care.. but Khamphy cares, and us hippies have to stick together.
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I like having the original formatting preserved. And Shot having the option to fuck Chaco in the butt, for that matter.
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Old 27th October 2010, 10:20 AM
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I voted to keep things as they now are, as I would like this place to be as much like the SDMB as possible.
I'm just bringing the positive things I've contributed to the SDMB, such as my presence and unitalicized quotes.

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Old 27th October 2010, 10:26 AM
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Honestly I didn't notice, so I guess I don't care.. but Khamphy cares, and us hippies have to stick together.
Thank you, GC.

We are still way behind the 'fuck you in the butt' option, though.
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Like your butt.
That's it--you just made my list.
Waitaminnit... I flash you my dazzly bits, and I get bupkus. He says he likes your butt, and he makes your list? OH THE INEQUITY OF IT ALL!
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Old 27th October 2010, 10:29 AM
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I voted to keep things as they now are, as I would like this place to be as much like the SDMB as possible.
I'm just bringing the positive things I've contributed to the SDMB, such as my presence and unitalicized quotes.
So, if we use the Amway Associate Transition property, is that now TWO positive contributions by prr?

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That's it--you just made my list.
I try not to keep track of the lists I'm on - it's too depressing.
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God damn it, Giraffe!! How the hell am I supposed to choose between "I guess I don't care" and "Fuck you! Fuck you right in the butt!"



And naturally everyone was all over this long before I ever got here. As usual.

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I don't care. I don't care so hard I'm going to cuss you out for thinking I cared because FUCK YOU

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Old 27th October 2010, 11:15 AM
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OLD WAY, you arbitrary and capricious cretin.
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Waitaminnit... I flash you my dazzly bits, and I get bupkus. He says he likes your butt, and he makes your list? OH THE INEQUITY OF IT ALL!
You're not supposed to get butthurt until after the fucking.

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You're not supposed to get butthurt until after the fucking.
I wouldn't be all butthurt if you'd just remember to bring the lube.
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Old 27th October 2010, 11:38 AM
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OLD WAY, you arbitrary and capricious cretin.



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In honesty I hadn't really noticed but my preference is for a straight quote with no messing. If one uses italics for emphasis and then is quoted the emphasis is lost. It's only a small change to the meaning but goddamn it niggles.
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I wouldn't be all butthurt if you'd just remember to bring the lube.
Just because I didn't bring any doesn't mean I didn't remember.

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goddamn it niggles.
That's racist.
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Old 27th October 2010, 12:45 PM
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EVERYONE LEAVE MY BUTT ALONE!!!!
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Old 27th October 2010, 01:04 PM
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No Simpsons references, n00b! Also no Python, Hitchhikers or Princess Motherfucking Bride quotes. Them's fightin' words around here.


Cue the tards who like to poke me making with the quotes...
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Cue the tards who like to poke me making with the quotes...
Can we have more beans, Mr. Taggart?

You didn't mention Blazing Saddles.
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No Simpsons references, n00b! Also no Python, Hitchhikers or Princess Motherfucking Bride quotes. Them's fightin' words around here.


Cue the tards who like to poke me making with the quotes...

I fully support Darmund in his preference that poster generated humor be original. The sly allusion can be amusing, but to just quote movie lines, not so much.

Too bad he'll never see that.

And if you disagree, WELL, EXCUUUUUUUUSSEEEE MEEEEE!

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No Simpsons references, n00b!
Ah, but it was appropriately ass-related.
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Old 27th October 2010, 01:36 PM
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Does it mean anything that Darmund recognized something SfG said as a Simpson's quote, but I didn't? Was it the Comic Sans thing, or the didn't remember thing, or what?
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Old 27th October 2010, 01:59 PM
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I want to vote, buttfuck if I know what you're on about.
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goddamn it niggles.
That's racist.
Now you're just being niggardly.

BTW how does it feel to be somewhere where people know how to format and crop nested quotes properly?
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Old 27th October 2010, 06:10 PM
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I hadn't noticed, so I guess I don't care. However, I am very disturbed by your avatar, Giraffe. It looks like you turned into a giant snake and you've unhinged your jaw and are swallowing a small child. Figures you'd pick a creepy avatar for Halloween. :bat:
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I picked go back to the old way, but then I realized I don't give a damn. (and there is nothing wrong with italicized quotes--you just then put the emphasized bit in regular type.)


Let me know when you're done playing. Imma play with the new smileys.

Ta for them.
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Old 28th October 2010, 05:55 AM
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BTW how does it feel to be somewhere where people know how to format and crop nested quotes properly?
I noticed that a day or two ago, and I almost wept silent tears of joy.

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(and there is nothing wrong with italicized quotes--you just then put the emphasized bit in regular type.)
Which would be great, if the board did that. But it doesn't. It just puts everything in italics. The formatting markup itself is preserved if you quote the post that contains the quote, but the way it's rendered by the board doesn't distinguish in any way between text in the quote that does and does not have italics. Everything just ends up italicized, which loses any emphasis that was created that way in the original material.
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And also, there is no markup to de-italicize text. So you cannot put the emphasized bit (or really, just put the entire quote) in regular type, if the quote code sets it to italics.
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Yes there is.

To de-italicize text, all one has to do is reverse the tags like this .

The deitalicization markup is
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 [/i] un-italic'd text [i]
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At the risk of ridicule, I kind of like some of the elements to the quote boxes over at Mellophant... the colored background and, to a lesser extent, the little opening quote graphic that comes at the very beginning. I don't know how easy it is to mix and match these sorts of things, but my ideal Evil Giraffe quote box would NOT be auto-italicized and would have a background color the same as the one used between and just outside of posts.

ETA: Fuck you! Fuck you right in the butt!

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At the risk of ridicule, I kind of like some of the ...Fuck you! Fuck you right in the butt!
So you're firmly in the 'works both ways' camp?
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At the risk of ridicule, I kind of like some of the ...Fuck you! Fuck you right in the butt!
So you're firmly in the 'works both ways' camp?
I prefer to think of myself as Originally Posted Bi-Curious.
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Old 28th October 2010, 10:43 AM
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Yes there is.
No there isn't, in quote boxes that force italics. Which is the specific context we're discussing. No matter what combination of italics coding you use, when the board forces all attributed quotes to italics, the entire quote is italicized.
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