Felt vs. MC: Mafia Day 5 Thread

[Trepa Mayfield]

With sunlight and a fresh cop claim, the group seemed renewed and hopeful. Even the background music seemed to turn backwards, to fix the wrongs of the previous Day. Hope! Vigor! Was Giraffe revived? No. But there was cheerful news to be had:

No-one died.

Day 5 ends at 9:40 PM MDT, on Sunday, March 20th.

[BobArrgh]

WOOOOT!

That is some seriously good news!

[Trepa Mayfield]

Vote Count:

Not Voting: Sis Coyote, moody mitchy, Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Idle Thoughts, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

[Trepa Mayfield]

Also: since the players are few at this point, I will entertain a hammer from toDay on. Vote Hammer in Orange. ToDay, the hammer number is 4. The 4th person to hammer ends the Day.

[BobArrgh]

Pede, since you are still awake, can you explain the hammer in a few words? This is the first game I've been in where it has been used when I have been alive. I know it has to do with a certain number of people voting for one person, but what does it mean to vote "Hammer" in orange?

[BobArrgh]

NETA:

Does someone already have to be on the block for a lynch and then 4 people "second the motion" by posting "Hammer" (in orange)?

[BobArrgh]

[oog]I guess I'll wait for your answer in the morning. I had a system/software upgrade last night in the wee hours and I can't keep my eyes open.[/oog]

[Trepa Mayfield]

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

[oog]I guess I'll wait for your answer in the morning. I had a system/software upgrade last night in the wee hours and I can't keep my eyes open.[/oog]

'night.

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

Pede, since you are still awake, can you explain the hammer in a few words? This is the first game I've been in where it has been used when I have been alive. I know it has to do with a certain number of people voting for one person, but what does it mean to vote "Hammer" in orange?

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

NETA:

Does someone already have to be on the block for a lynch and then 4 people "second the motion" by posting "Hammer" (in orange)?

Ah, well, in this case, I am simply using the word "hammer" to mean "end the day", by way of metonymy. If four people "post 'Hammer' (in orange)", the Day ends. Theoretically, you all could end the Day before voting for anyone, and no-one would be lynched (but that would be silly).

[Idle Thoughts]

The whole Lucifer situation stinks. Obviously it'll be have to be dealt with eventually, because if he's scum, we don't want him hanging around and if he's Town, he's worthless to us not-playing and won't be good if it gets down to 3-5 players.

If Town, though, he'd be an easy, extra Town lynch for scum.

[Idle Thoughts]

I propose a mass claim at this time, I think.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Idle Thoughts

I propose a mass claim at this time, I think.

I hate mass claims, but given this from Romola last Night:

Originally Posted by Romola

Old 14th March 2011, 07:56 PM

For what my opinion's worth after my Giraffe debacle, I would be inclined to put SisC as scum rather than Bob, for her reluctant conversion to a bad cause that looked like a good one. But they could both be scum. Haven't done numbers, but I doubt very much that Ulla's the last.

And given my spotty-at-best voting history, I'm a logical Town target. Therefore:

Originally Posted by Hypnagogic Bonafide

You are Itchy (Town Vanilla)

You are Itchy, the fastest mobster in the land, the Fleet-Footed Fearmeister, the Quick Quarterback, the Tempest Tormenter. You’d think that would be a lot of help. But, of course, a fast-moving person like you ends up out like a light at Night, to build up energy. So you can’t use your super-speed to dodge stuff or save people or anything like that.

--Power--
You can push the "reply" button really, really fast. Other than that, nothing.

[BobArrgh]

Here's my PM:

Originally Posted by Hypnagogic Bonafide

You are Quarters (Town Governor)

You are Quarters, gifted with the unusual power to restart time, like more tokens in an arcade machine. Though it sounds useless, you can use it to repair a timeline that's been extremely damaged, or to simply give extra lives to your fellow frequent-death-travelers. And you are dead. Of course you are, silly! With a power like yours, you've died near on hundreds of times now. But you're also alive and kickin' and ready to play.

--Power--
If you would be lynched for the first time, you can instead restart time with yourself at the spawn point, evading the lynch mob.

So, who wants to go back to Day 1 and start all over?

I keed, I keed.

[moody mitchy]

So why does no one seem interested in voting for Total Ulla ?

Why no discussion as to why no deaths last Night ?

Ok let me start then.

Vote Total Ulla

I am happy to accept Romolas claim and findings at this point... not only because I know I'm TOWN but because I can't see her claiming this late in the game and giving up another SCUM member just to gain cred...

If she is lying then she goes toMorrow it's as simple as that.

I feel it's possible that given the timing of her claim, there could have been some form of roleblocking going on last Night which meant that the SCUM kill did not go through or , like I said on Day 3 (I think) SCUM may have been able to pull a couple of kills forward and get rid of a couple of normaly active and investagative (as in post a lot asking a lot of questions ) within the game . Or SCUM targeted the pesron I protected.

Sister Coyote, though I have no real reason to not believe your claim... I am surprised that you're the first Vanilla we've had show up. Apart from BillMc whose alignment we have yet to find out... every other body or claim has had some sort of power.

Also , Idle Thoughts proposed a mass claim. Why so quick to claim without discussion of it's merits ?

Romola I know you've asked to be subbed so it's unlikely you'll be around but I am hoping that you managed to get an investigation in.

On preview I see we have yet another TOWN power claim... BobArrgh have you inquired as to exactly the nature of your power. To me it sounds like some sort of scotsman role..

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

So why does no one seem interested in voting for Total Ulla ?

Why no discussion as to why no deaths last Night ?

Can you reiterate your case against Ulla? Please?

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

Sister Coyote, though I have no real reason to not believe your claim... I am surprised that you're the first Vanilla we've had show up. Apart from BillMc whose alignment we have yet to find out... every other body or claim has had some sort of power.

Also , Idle Thoughts proposed a mass claim. Why so quick to claim without discussion of it's merits ?

Answering your last question first: Because I realized that I might end up on the chopping block based on last Night's commentary by Romola plus my lack of votes at the beginning of the game plus my generally bad play this game. Therefore, I figured I might as well.

Regarding your second: Why would I claim Vanilla unless I was?

[moody mitchy]

When Romola makes her claim in the Night 4 thread she lists her results...

Yes I see they can be seen as conveniant as one person isn't participating but it's good enough for me at the moment.

A vanilla claim is the most conveniant for SCUM as it doesn't stand a chance of clashing with a power that TOWN might have.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

When Romola makes her claim in the Night 4 thread she lists her results...

That's right. She did. I forgot.

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

A vanilla claim is the most conveniant for SCUM as it doesn't stand a chance of clashing with a power that TOWN might have.

While I'm not going to argue this for a second, I would like to observe that it is common thinking around these parts -- therefore, a VT claim is likely to get someone lynched, despite the fact that claiming a false role is worse for both Town and VT in the long run.

And, yeah, Scum would Totally Do That but I have to run with what I've got.

[moody mitchy]

How many SCUM do people think we have left ?

I ask because if this is a real bold claim by Romola and she's lying , would she be prepared to give one SCUM up to gain cred ?

Like I say I know I'm TOWN but don't know about the others.. With Lucifer being a non participant , he could be SCUM but she'd know that we might take a couple more Days before we lynch him...

BUT that would mean that there were 3 SCUM left... Total Ulla Romola and Lucifer. To me that just seems too many, given that Peekercpa also had the chance to join the SCUM team... 5 SCUM in a 15 player game ? That's a reason for me to believe Romola.

A reason not to is because the claim says she gets results from random.org and it states she might look at the same player... or a dead one or even the mod.... so if she does come back toDay with a dead players result or someone who has already been investigated. I think it's worth bearing in mind..

[BobArrgh]

What would be the benefit of investigating the mod? That part of Romola's posts were strange, to say the least.

[BobArrgh]

I'd like to think that we only have 1 Scum left, but as you pointed out, Moody, there could be 1 or 2 more. I'm inclined to think that Lucifer is a Scum, but I have nothing tangible to back that up, so I'm probably wrong. If he is a Scum, my guess is that he is just a goon, or that he had a power in the early game but used it. I can't see a Scum power role asking to be subbed out.

I'm a little tweaked by Sister's PM. Being the only person to have claimed VT out of 15 players is more than a little odd. I checked the Rules thread, and we don't have a sample Role. I thought that was Pede's way of indicating that everyone in the game had a power. Can anyone confirm her VT PM?

I think I believe Romola's investigation, but want to hear what Ulla has to say for herself before putting a vote down. I don't want to put down a premature vote and then get suckered by having 2 Townies and 2 Scum drop the hammer and force a mislynch.

I think it is very interesting that there were no kills last Night. Were the Scum blocked? Did they miss the deadline?

[Trepa Mayfield]

With 4 days, 2 hours and 4 minutes until the end of Day 5:

Vote Count:

Total Ulla (2): moody mitchy [Day 5 Post 13], Sis Coyote [Day 5 Post 16]

Not Voting: Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Idle Thoughts, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

With these votes Total Ulla will be lynched.

[BobArrgh]

Speaking of mass claims, Idle, have you received further clarification of your role besides having a radio you can't find?

[Idle Thoughts]

No, but obviously that is moot now since I know Romanic is Town. The only reason I couldn't find it (I'm guessing) was to give a reason why I couldn't send a message back to him (and thus find out/know if he was Town or something else).

[Idle Thoughts]

Anyway, I don't like the vanilla claim..and, to be honest, I've had a growing suspicion of Sister Coyote for awhile now, so she'd be the person now at the top of my suspicion list.
But really, everyone's sort of bunched near the top other than Mitch.
Ulla I could see being scum, Bob I can see being scum (still didn't like how he just knew BillMc was Town--I'm pretty sure we still don't know what he was). Romola...ehh..maybe...
Mitch is the only person I'm more pro-Town than anything (since nobody else has counterclaimed full Doc and I can't see a game only having a weak Doc for the only protection role for Town).

But back to Sis. She, it seems, is the ONLY vanilla role in the whole game, as far as I can see (at least until Ulla claims). Everyone else is some kind of role. It smells like a cover up claim she's giving. My guess would be she has the type of role that, if explained, would probably be seen as a scum role.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Idle Thoughts

But back to Sis. She, it seems, is the ONLY vanilla role in the whole game, as far as I can see (at least until Ulla claims). Everyone else is some kind of role. It smells like a cover up claim she's giving. My guess would be she has the type of role that, if explained, would probably be seen as a scum role.

A lone vanilla has happened before. I have presented my role PM exactly as it was given to me; and if I were Scum I wouldn't have been so forthcoming about claiming. I'm generally opposed to mass claims, anyway.

Or maybe I'm a Jester, Idle, and today's the day I need to get myself killed.

[moody mitchy]

On the plus side if Lucifer is SCUM at least that's one SCUM member that's not been voting ...

I guess it could be said in reverse as we want all TOWN members to use their vote.

BobAargh you've popped back in but not answered my query as to whether you've asked the Mod for clarification about what your power actually entails... IE if it's a kind of Scotsman type thing ?

Idle Thoughts. If Sister Coyote has as you say , posted a Vanilla PM because they felt that the role they had been given could come across as SCUMMY... (and we've already seen this with Giraffe). Why not just post it and fend off the questions.... If now she comes back and say's "yeah you're right" and gives us a different PM, we'd have the problem of her having lied in the first place.

We're still waiting for Total Ulla and Lucifer to claim .. I doubt we'll hear from Lucifer and I know Total Ulla has stated that she's a bit busy at the moment but I would hope that she could find time to pop in and add her views to the game..

[Romola]

[moody mitchy]

Originally Posted by Romola

Any results from last Night ???

[Romola]

Ah, i mean

[Romola]

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

What would be the benefit of investigating the mod? That part of Romola's posts were strange, to say the least.

None, Bob. That's the point. Pede gives me investigation results each morning for a target he has chosen by random.org. I have no control over the target. I was lucky with the first 3, but toDay, he gave me results for Peeker, who is dead already and we already knew was Town.

I doubt that i can post any more in this game, lynch Ulla, she is confirmed scum. Go Town!

[moody mitchy]

Originally Posted by Romola

None, Bob. That's the point. Pede gives me investigation results each morning for a target he has chosen by random.org. I have no control over the target. I was lucky with the first 3, but toDay, he gave me results for Peeker, who is dead already and we already knew was Town.

I doubt that i can post any more in this game, lynch Ulla, she is confirmed scum. Go Town!

Or that's just conveniant as I've already said... Still I feel happy with lynching Total Ulla toDay... and if she's not SCUM then you go toMorrow at least this is a bit of the game that is pretty clear

[Trepa Mayfield]

With 3 days, 8 hours and 6 minutes until the end of Day 5:

Vote Count:

Total Ulla (3): moody mitchy [Day 5 Post 13], Sis Coyote [Day 5 Post 16], Romola [Day 7]

Not Voting: Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Idle Thoughts, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting from the Future: Romola [Day 7]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

With these votes Total Ulla will be lynched.

[Idle Thoughts]

Vote Sister Coyote from ToDay

[moody mitchy]

Originally Posted by Idle Thoughts

Vote Sister Coyote from ToDay

So does this mean you're completely disregarding the information that Romola has given us ? If you think she is lying then why not vote her?

If you think she's telling the truth then why not vote Total Ulla and then we could hammer the Day and move on to the next one...

I'm not saying Sister Coyote isn't SCUM. I think there was another time when I picked up on something she had wrote and she passed it off with an "Oh I missed that" comment... but I'm just trying to see the reasoning for your vote..

[BobArrgh]

Here are the PMs I exchanged with Pede on the question:

Originally Posted by BobArrgh

Pede, in my role PM, you said, "If you would be lynched for the first time, you can instead restart time with yourself at the spawn point, evading the lynch mob."

Where is the spawn point? Do we get assigned positions throughout the Day? (I have this picture of a whole bunch of angry billiard balls barreling down on me.) If I am a lynch leader, do I have to tell you that I am invoking my power?

Originally Posted by Hypnagogic Bonafide

Much simpler than that. Your PM says, in so many words, that you won't be killed the first time the others vote to lynch you.

Hoot mon, laddie ... it looks like I am a Scotsman, although I prefer the Irish part of me family (from County Cork, oh so many years ago). The Scots may speak a form of Gaelic, but they are too close to their Sassenach kin for my tastes.

Happy St. Patrick's Day to all ... Stay away from too much green beer!

[BobArrgh]

@Romola (and any other folks from England): Absolutely no offense was intended in that previous post. I have both English and Irish blood in me (as well as German and Dutch). Please accept my apologies.

[Idle Thoughts]

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

So does this mean you're completely disregarding the information that Romola has given us ? If you think she is lying then why not vote her?

If you think she's telling the truth then why not vote Total Ulla and then we could hammer the Day and move on to the next one...

I'm not saying Sister Coyote isn't SCUM. I think there was another time when I picked up on something she had wrote and she passed it off with an "Oh I missed that" comment... but I'm just trying to see the reasoning for your vote..

I actually didn't see her/his post. My mistake.
(no idea how I missed it)

Unvote SisterC
Vote Ulla

[Trepa Mayfield]

With 3 days, 1 hours and 8 minutes until the end of Day 5:

Vote Count:

Total Ulla (4): moody mitchy [Day 5 Post 13], Sis Coyote [Day 5 Post 16], Romola [Day 7], Idle Thoughts [Day 5 Post 36]

Not Voting: Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting from the Future: Romola [Day 7]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

With these votes Total Ulla will be lynched.

[BobArrgh]

I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of a good lynching of (perhaps) identified Scum. Her silence has been deafening.

[moody mitchy]

Hammer

Seems that all the players that are posting agree on the target we might as well get it over with.

[BobArrgh]

Hammer

[SisterCoyote]

STOP! Hammer Time.

[Trepa Mayfield]

With 2 days, 12 hours and 29 minutes until the end of Day 5:

Hammer 3/4

Vote Count:

Total Ulla (5): moody mitchy [Day 5 Post 13], Sis Coyote [Day 5 Post 16], Romola [Day 7], Idle Thoughts [Day 5 Post 36], BobArrgh [Day 5 Post 38]

Not Voting: Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting from the Future: Romola [Day 7]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

With these votes Total Ulla will be lynched.

[Idle Thoughts]

Okay, put the Hammer down.

[Trepa Mayfield]

Final Vote Count:

Total Ulla (5): moody mitchy [Day 5 Post 13], Sis Coyote [Day 5 Post 16], Romola [Day 7], Idle Thoughts [Day 5 Post 36], BobArrgh [Day 5 Post 38]

Not Voting: Total Ulla, BobArrgh, Lucifer [who is absent]

Voting from the Future: Romola [Day 7]

Voting in the Past: Romola [Day 4]

With these votes Total Ulla will be lynched.