Night TWO: Double Vision Mafia

[SisterCoyote]

Mahaloth looked at the crowd surrounding him, sighed, and folded his arms, scowling. "What are you waiting for? Get it over with, already!"

So they did.

Mahaloth, human has joined the ranks of the Dead.

Meanwhile, the ghost that had once been idrinkthere4iam had slowly been fading away. But around him (her?) there was all sorts of chaos, and poltergeist activity, and madness. "Get out," a muffled voice shouted against a sudden background of fire, "go to heaven or hell or purgatory. Wherever you belong."

idrinkthere4iam, Crowley, Crossroads Demon, Infernal Town, Vanilla has been Banished and will no longer walk among you.



Night Two begins Now. It will end on Wednesday, May 20th, at noon Pacific. Night actions must be in to the Mod no later than 11 a.m. Pacific.

idrink, let me know if you want spoilers.

[SisterCoyote]

The Mod will be out-of-pocket until no earlier than about 5:30 p.m. Pacific today, so it may take some time to receive and confirm Night actions.

[Mahaloth]

Ouch!

[Silver Jan]

Confused? Me? Really and truely

[TexCat]

Lulz, Was there something about the timing of your banishments that you forgot to tell us?

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Mahaloth looked at the crowd surrounding him, sighed, and folded his arms, scowling. "What are you waiting for? Get it over with, already!"

So they did.

Mahaloth, human has joined the ranks of the Dead.

Meanwhile, the ghost that had once been idrinkthere4iam had slowly been fading away. But around him (her?) there was all sorts of chaos, and poltergeist activity, and madness. "Get out," a muffled voice shouted against a sudden background of fire, "go to heaven or hell or purgatory. Wherever you belong."

idrinkthere4iam, Crowley, Crossroads Demon, Infernal Town, Vanilla has been Banished and will no longer walk among you.



Night Two begins Now. It will end on Wednesday, May 20th, at noon Pacific. Night actions must be in to the Mod no later than 11 a.m. Pacific.

idrink, let me know if you want spoilers.

I hate quirky spoilers, text jumping up and down does my head in in

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Lulz, Was there something about the timing of your banishments that you forgot to tell us?

I would like to know that too

[lulz]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

You, obviously, but I'll move on to other names.

These are all just gut feelings though.

Gnarlycharlie
Archangel
Heterometrus swammerdami
Scáthach

You'll all be shocked to know...

This was the first time I've participated in a town mislynch in nearly four games. Most of you are probably accustomed to and comfortable with lynching townies day in and day out but not me.

I was wrong about Swammerdami. It doesn't happen often. He's tote's scum and should be lynched tomorrow. His play D2 was all kinds of awful. Also confirmed Town called him scum and he was a counterwagon to myself, and drink.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Perhaps also important, you banished idrink N1 - is it possible that only took effect at Dusk D2, and you weren't roleblocked by Mahaloth N1?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I would like to know that too

There's nothing I "forgot" to tell you. I just straight up didn't tell anyone.

You all saw me banish drink at the start of D2. When did you expect the banishment to take place?

This also confirms that scum don't have a day Roleblocker so everyone should feel free to use their actions during the day as well.

If we have any protection roles, please do not use them on me tonight.

1. I'm feeling so guilty about Drink's mislynch that I don't care if I get killed.

2. The scum will never try to kill me knowing that I'm going to be protected. Please protector(s), leave me to my fate.

@SisterCoyote
Banish Mahaloth.

[BillMc]

So you are saying that you can banish both day and night? that seems pretty powerful.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by BillMc

So you are saying that you can banish both day and night? that seems pretty powerful.

Not really. Obviously I'm not going to banish my townreads. Hence drink got banished and Archangel didn't. If I'm wrong about a read, as in the case with drink, then I've denied the town a resource. It's no different than a vigilante who shoots wrong.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Lulz, I don't get you. You know the Mod prefers actions PMed yet you continue to post them publically? Why?

I also don't understand what happened....

Can you banish both in the day and the night? Can you do it twice a cycle?

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by lulz

This was the first time I've participated in a town mislynch in nearly four games.

I believe this just about as much as everything else you've spouted.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Lulz, I don't get you. You know the Mod prefers actions PMed yet you continue to post them publically? Why?

I also don't understand what happened....

Can you banish both in the day and the night? Can you do it twice a cycle?

I've claimed my ability. To prove that I'm performing my ability I posted it in public.

You know I tried to target drink last night and I got roleblocked. You know I tried again in the day phase and it went through.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

But the banishment does confirm lulz's claimed role, and it's hard to imagine what scum would even use the banisher for - the power to reveal alignment is way more pro-town than the power to keep people from talking would be pro-scum.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by lulz

I've claimed my ability. To prove that I'm performing my ability I posted it in public.

You know I tried to target drink last night and I got roleblocked. You know I tried again in the day phase and it went through.

Assuming Mahaloth's PM has *some* truth in it, he's not the roleblocker. (I believe he edited his PM to make it town, but I don't believe he made it up out of thin cloth on his own.)

That leaves Silver Jan and Three, and makes me more nervous about Three, because SJ's claim such as it is seems too far-fetched to be made up out of whole cloth.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Flying Squid with Goggles

But the banishment does confirm lulz's claimed role, and it's hard to imagine what scum would even use the banisher for - the power to reveal alignment is way more pro-town than the power to keep people from talking would be pro-scum.

Or it means that he was not counterclaimed yet.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Or it means that he was not counterclaimed yet.

That too, but even if not the banisher, it would mean that lulz would have to be in communication with the real banisher - or know something about their abilities - which seems like a bit of a violation of Occam's Razor - it's more likely that he's just the banisher than that he's talking to the banisher and crafting the claim to fit.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Assuming Mahaloth's PM has *some* truth in it, he's not the roleblocker. (I believe he edited his PM to make it town, but I don't believe he made it up out of thin cloth on his own.)

That leaves Silver Jan and Three, and makes me more nervous about Three, because SJ's claim such as it is seems too far-fetched to be made up out of whole cloth.

Based on Drink's townflip, I'm now a lot less confident about Silverjan.

I was initially scumreading her but figured her claim felt townie.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by lulz

You'll all be shocked to know...

This was the first time I've participated in a town mislynch in nearly four games. Most of you are probably accustomed to and comfortable with lynching townies day in and day out but not me.
.

Truly we must be a sad burden for you to carry

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[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Or it means that he was not counterclaimed yet.

I feel like you're doing more devils advocatey posting than I would usually expect to see from you.

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[Silver Jan]

Good grief, I am a bit more worried about my my Town claim too. If I didn't have my PM well........

BTW Lulz I never claimed but I am so stressed atm that I might in thr morning

[Toonces]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Assuming Mahaloth's PM has *some* truth in it, he's not the roleblocker. (I believe he edited his PM to make it town, but I don't believe he made it up out of thin cloth on his own.)

That leaves Silver Jan and Three, and makes me more nervous about Three, because SJ's claim such as it is seems too far-fetched to be made up out of whole cloth.

If Mahaloth is the roleblocker, then lulz's banishment should go through and Mahaloth will be confirmed as scum.

If Mahaloth is not the roleblocker, then lulz's banishment of him will either not occur, or scum will block another player & we will learn that Mahaloth is town.


Any of these results should be informative.



Keeping quiet about the 3rd visitor is probably the best thing to do for now, Archangel. If early Day 3 gives us information that may implicate Three, then you can considering outing that player.

There is the off chance that Three is scum AND that scum have the ability to banish you toNight, but you have to weigh that against the possibility that Three is town.

[Toonces]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

Good grief, I am a bit more worried about my my Town claim too. If I didn't have my PM well........

BTW Lulz I never claimed but I am so stressed atm that I might in thr morning

I hope you meant Morning of Day 3. Please don't claim toNight, Silver Jan, at least not until after the deadline for Night actions. You're a possible target already if you're town, but no need to give scum all the details.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

I feel like you're doing more devils advocatey posting than I would usually expect to see from you.

LOL. Maybe. Or maybe I just keep looking for a way around Lightfoot's claim so that we can lynch Lulz.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

I feel like you're doing more devils advocatey posting than I would usually expect to see from you.

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Texcat wants so badly to find an excuse to lynch me ever since I discovered her scummy behavior off-site.

edit...

Originally Posted by TexCat

LOL. Maybe. Or maybe I just keep looking for a way around Lightfoot's claim so that we can lynch Lulz.

Oh look, a confession. There's no way Mahaloth was a vig with Texcat not getting shot.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by lulz

stuff

I think I like the way you play. You're unapologetically abrasive but you don't take offense to people getting annoyed with the way you post. It stimulates discussion which is only ever good for a game.

(I say super hypocritically after being basically a lurker so far - after Friday I promise I'll improve! )


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[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by TexCat

LOL. Maybe. Or maybe I just keep looking for a way around Lightfoot's claim so that we can lynch Lulz.

Do you think lulz is scummy or just irritating? Genuine question.

Also - do you disagree that you seem more reactive than proactive in this game?

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[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

Good grief, I am a bit more worried about my my Town claim too. If I didn't have my PM well........

BTW Lulz I never claimed but I am so stressed atm that I might in thr morning

The good thing about this game is you can claim after you're dead. It's up to you whether your role is important enough to claim to save yourself from a Lynch or not.

**oog - haven't played with you in ages - hope all is well for you after the big move from sa to uk! **

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[guiri]

Originally Posted by Archangel

That leaves Silver Jan and Three, and makes me more nervous about Three, because SJ's claim such as it is seems too far-fetched to be made up out of whole cloth.

What's far-fetched about SJ's claim?

#98 Visited lulz, not nefarious
#100 Looks like lulz was not NK target
#141 Is not the doc
#157 Is not roleblocker
#290 Banishment will reveal three things about her role
#291 Has a role
#296 Is not a roleblocker
#345 Is human, is Mary Winchester

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

What I did learn was that it doesn't look as if Lulz was the target of a NK, which seems pretty obvious at this time seeing as Archangel was killed. I don't want to say too much right now because although my role isn't all powerful, it could be helpful down the road.

Her claim that she learned Maha was not the target of a NK is interesting since Maha claims he was trying to kill Lulz. Of course we currently believe Maha made a false claim but this would indicate he's not even a killer, or that SJ's claim is also fake.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Do you think lulz is scummy or just irritating? Genuine question.

Also - do you disagree that you seem more reactive than proactive in this game?

I think Lulz's behaviour is scummy and irritating, but I do believe Lightfoot's claim. I am more reactive to Lulz, but I think I've been proactive with everything else in this game (what little else there is). Is that an answer to your question?

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I think Lulz's behaviour is scummy and irritating, but I do believe Lightfoot's claim. I am more reactive to Lulz, but I think I've been proactive with everything else in this game (what little else there is). Is that an answer to your question?

I'd like an either or. Like I don't feel lulz as scummy but I can totes see the irritating. What is it you find scummy about lulz other than (her?) play style.

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[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by guiri

Her claim that she learned Maha was not the target of a NK is interesting since Maha claims he was trying to kill Lulz. Of course we currently believe Maha made a false claim but this would indicate he's not even a killer, or that SJ's claim is also fake.

Can someone link me to this? I swear I read all of day but I must have missed this part of Jan's claim

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[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by guiri

Her claim that she learned Maha was not the target of a NK is interesting since Maha claims he was trying to kill Lulz. Of course we currently believe Maha made a false claim but this would indicate he's not even a killer, or that SJ's claim is also fake.

I think there's at least one Maha in place of a lulz there, right, guiri? So Mahaloth attempted to kill lulz, but Silver Jan would know if there was an attempted kill? Bu there was the limitation on Mahaloth's power in his claim - that it would only work on scum or non-humans (see D2.201.)

Since lulz claimed non-human, Mahaloth cannot have been a killer limited in this way.

I suspect there's something we can't know yet that's interfering with these claims making sense. Maybe Mahaloth was scum that could only kill humans? But then why target lulz without knowing his species? And who would have killed Archangel if that were true.

It doesn't quite make sense, I think we need more information to figure this out.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

What's far-fetched about SJ's claim?

#98 Visited lulz, not nefarious
#100 Looks like lulz was not NK target
#141 Is not the doc
#157 Is not roleblocker
#290 Banishment will reveal three things about her role
#291 Has a role
#296 Is not a roleblocker
#345 Is human, is Mary Winchester

Her claim that she learned Maha was not the target of a NK is interesting since Maha claims he was trying to kill Lulz. Of course we currently believe Maha made a false claim but this would indicate he's not even a killer, or that SJ's claim is also fake.

Farfetched isn't the right word, I suppose. It's too detailed and specific to be a made-up-out-of-thin-cloth claim. Of course now I've said this someone will come up with some game where scum made up a role entirely * and won that way...but these super-specific claims I tend to think are real for the most part, and if they are scum they are just changing a detail or two.
(Although I suppose scum might also be claiming each other's roles-- I've seen that done before successfully.)

I guess it comes down to whether or not there's another roleblock tonight, but I can hold my tongue another day. I'm saying neither Mahaloth's or Jan's claims make me think they're town, but they also don't make me think they're roleblockers.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by lulz

[

This was the first time I've participated in a town mislynch in nearly four games. Most of you are probably accustomed to and comfortable with lynching townies day in and day out but not me.

.

Yeah, right. And now you are going to banish me and make it two Townies.

You are a real pro. We bow before you.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by BillMc

So you are saying that you can banish both day and night? that seems pretty powerful.

could be a Day power
that resolves at Dusk

Originally Posted by lulz

Not really. ~snipped~.

Originally Posted by lulz

I've claimed my ability. To prove that I'm performing my ability I posted it in public.

You know I tried to target drink last night and I got roleblocked. You know I tried again in the day phase and it went through.

how do we know these things?
and f the answer is ' not really " as above--- How do you think you were role blocked?
You can't have it both ways

Originally Posted by Toonces

If Mahaloth is the roleblocker, then lulz's banishment should go through and Mahaloth will be confirmed as scum.

If Mahaloth is not the roleblocker, then lulz's banishment of him will either not occur, or scum will block another player & we will learn that Mahaloth is town.


Any of these results should be informative.

- I wager Archangel could/would confirm that powers can not be used after death so I don't follow this

Keeping quiet about the 3rd visitor is probably the best thing to do for now, Archangel. If early Day 3 gives us information that may implicate Three, then you can considering outing that player.

There is the off chance that Three is scum AND that scum have the ability to banish you toNight, but you have to weigh that against the possibility that Three is town.

If Archangel is banished we can cross that bridge ( there may even be clues left behind)

Originally Posted by TexCat

LOL. Maybe. Or maybe I just keep looking for a way around Lightfoot's claim so that we can lynch Lulz.

I hear you - but I can't wrap it - and any banisher is worth keeping?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Lightfoot- I read Toonces as:

If Mahaloth was the roleblocker, then he can't act tonight, therefore Lulz will banish him tonight.

If Mahaloth is NOT the roleblocker, then the roleblocker is still out there, and will possibly/probably block lulz again.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Lightfoot- I read Toonces as:

If Mahaloth was the roleblocker, then he can't act tonight, therefore Lulz will banish him tonight.

If Mahaloth is NOT the roleblocker, then the roleblocker is still out there, and will possibly/probably block lulz again.

( that makes more sense) of course there is the question - is a Night action OR a Day action as well

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

could be a Day power
that resolves at Dusk




how do we know these things?
and f the answer is ' not really " as above--- How do you think you were role blocked?
You can't have it both ways
- I wager Archangel could/would confirm that powers can not be used after death so I don't follow this
If Archangel is banished we can cross that bridge ( there may even be clues left behind)

I hear you - but I can't wrap it - and any banisher is worth keeping?

My powers can't be used after death but I don't know if everyone's can't.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

( that makes more sense) of course there is the question - is a Night action OR a Day action as well

I 100% agree with that, I've never seen a power that you can use both day and night and use it every cycle.

[gnarlycharlie]

ah, we have a banishment now. i see idrink was town. it's not totally unexpected. D1 lynches have that result. i think we can all agree that lulz is being truthful about his role. i'm surprised that he can banish in both cycles. i don't think we'll really know the truth until after this game ends.

so, if Mahaloth flips scum, does that mean that Silver Jan and the third visitor are town? if he flips town, does that mean Silver Jan or the third have to be scum?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

so, if Mahaloth flips scum, does that mean that Silver Jan and the third visitor are town? if he flips town, does that mean Silver Jan or the third have to be scum?

I'm not sure, but I will flip Town eventually(I kind of figure I'll be banished toNight) and I would say the safest bet is to lynch Silver Jan.

[SisterCoyote]

Back in pocket; Night will end in a little over twenty-seven hours, Night actions due in twenty-six.

OOG: No surgery yet. MRI to be scheduled. What fun.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Sorry to hear about that SisterC - hope everything goes smoothly and well.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Back in pocket; Night will end in a little over twenty-seven hours, Night actions due in twenty-six.

OOG: No surgery yet. MRI to be scheduled. What fun.

If you need help and I get banished, I can co-mod with you. Heck, I won't have anything else to do.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

OK, so I kind of half-claimed, stating that I believe lulz to be town.

1. I just thought lulz was attracting a lot of attention and decided to help out by posting what I learned.

2. I'm not claiming cop, just that I learned that lulz is town.

3. It is possible my information is wrong, via re-direction or some other kind of power altering problem. Still, I bet my information is right on this one.

Was it the wrong timing to post my discovery? Maybe. I can never tell when to do these kind of things.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I have ways(well, a way). I should point out, though, that I may have had my power redirected or blocked or limited. I said I believe he is Town; I'm not entirely positive. But enough to not vote him today.

@Mahaloth, Before you are banished, would you care to explain why you thought you were redirected? Was this just something that went with an alternate claim that you were considering and then abandoned?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Before you are banished, would you care to explain why you thought you were redirected? Was this just something that went with an alternate claim that you were considering and then abandoned?

When did I say I thought that? No, I had no alternate claim as my claim is legit.

[TexCat]

Did you see what I highlighted in your quotes above? Twice you said you thought you might have been redirected.