Discussion of a better term for the mob's justice/vengeance in Mafia games

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

The term "lynch" is a problem, and it's better to have something else.

What should that something be?

And what should we, as a very loose-knit internet community of people who enjoy figuratively stabbing each other in the back, expect from mods/gamerunners?

[SNFaulkner]

Democratically chosen sacrifice. DCS.

[Pleonast]

I like “vote off”. It’s descriptive and familiar from reality tv.

[babale]

I'll second Pleo's suggestion of Vote Off, when it comes to generic games of Mafia. With tbe caveat that most of my games tend to be heavily themed role madness games and part of that will likely include alternate names for being Voted Off.

[Colby11]

Or eliminate?

[Colby11]

We should do a Survivor’s themed mafia

[Lion]

I think "the vote off" works. It can be a death in game color if need be. (I am thinking of that great game with ghosts we had a while back, for one.)

[raventhief]

I like eliminate as a generic term, but subject to color modifications.

[Lion]

"No lynch" then becomes "No Vote Off" in all games. Works for me.

[Lion]

Originally Posted by raventhief

I like eliminate as a generic term, but subject to color modifications.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

I like "vote off" - it's very straightforward.




ETA: ah - the robot might need a minor tweak to deal with it; the above was typed [vote]Vote No Vote Off[/vote]

[Personal]

I'll voice an early objection to "vote off." I think it's headed in the right direction, but I prefer a term akin to "eliminate," as suggested by Raventhief. It has a degree of finality and gravity to it that vote off lacks.

One thing I like about this game is the pressure, and I think the vocabulary plays into that. A group murder is a very very serious thing, and I think the term that is used should reflect that.

It might be different if death weren't such a basic component. We have "night kills" and "serial killers" and "vigs." I just don't think "vote off" fits.

[Personal]

Originally Posted by Colby11

We should do a Survivor’s themed mafia

This is where "vote off" would work.

[Personal]

Originally Posted by Flying Squid with Goggles

The term "lynch" is a problem, and it's better to have something else.



What should that something be?



And what should we, as a very loose-knit internet community of people who enjoy figuratively stabbing each other in the back, expect from mods/gamerunners?

I would suggest leaving this thread open for around 10 - 14 days and not coming to a decision until then so as to ensure we're getting input from as many of our players who want to give it.

[Bear_Nenno]

It's quite simple, actually. I can't remember the last time I played a game where an actual lynch was part of the color. Just use whatever word the game's color happens to use. This places the onerous on the moderator who should ensure that his/her game has something in place.

Otherwise, I think the easiest term that requires the least amount of social re-engineering is "Day Kill". We already refer to a Night Kill. Why don't we just call the other thing a "Day Kill". How easy is that!

[babale]

Day Kill is elegant in its simplicity. I love it.

[Pleonast]

To me, “Day Kill” is the power of a player to kill during the Day.

I don’t think we need a standard term and I like seeing all the ideas. It’s not like we use standard terms for other game mechanics and powers.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

To me, “Day Kill” is the power of a player to kill during the Day.

So rare, that I think Day Kill could still work as a replacement for lynch. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a power role that could kill during the day that wasn't referred to as a Day Vig or something like that. In which case, it would just be referred to as getting Vigged, Day Vigged, etc.

[Zeener Diode]

These are great suggestions and I'm not opposed to "Day Kill." Thanks for starting this post, Pleo.

Since this is technically called "mafia", what about getting whacked?

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

To me, “Day Kill” is the power of a player to kill during the Day.

I don’t think we need a standard term and I like seeing all the ideas. It’s not like we use standard terms for other game mechanics and powers.

Town Kill could be an alternative to Day Kill if DK is an individual power, and TK implies that it's a group effort

[Sunny Daze]

First choice, eliminate.
Second choice, vote off.

Both can be killed in favor of in game color.

[SNFaulkner]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

These are great suggestions and I'm not opposed to "Day Kill." Thanks for starting this post, Pleo.

Since this is technically called "mafia", what about getting whacked?

That seems more like what the NK should be called.

[Oxirane]

I'm not much of a Mafia player although I've lurked the last few games...I think the term needs some degree of finality, some gravity, so I'm not a fan of 'vote off' as it seems so mild...

I agree the term should change based on the color of the game, but if we choose one term, I prefer, "eliminate".

[Ludovic]

If it's "eliminate", then the color of the game is either yellow or brown.

[Dante G]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

If it's "eliminate", then the color of the game is either yellow or brown.

Dude, what are you, like 12?

[Pleonast]

Hey, some of you haven’t signed up for my Kung Fu Mafia game. It starts tomorrow and we can still use more players.

“Town kill” is slightly misleading, since it’s all the players voting, not just town.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Flying Squid with Goggles

The term "lynch" is a problem, and it's better to have something else.

What should that something be?

And what should we, as a very loose-knit internet community of people who enjoy figuratively stabbing each other in the back, expect from mods/gamerunners?

Squid, thanks for starting this thread.

[Personal]

This is difficult. I can tell you what doesn't sound right to be easier than what does. I thought Town Kill sounded alright, but Pleo had a good point about that. I don't know. Maybe Purge? But I don't know that even that works.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Hey, some of you haven’t signed up for my Kung Fu Mafia game. It starts tomorrow and we can still use more players.

“Town kill” is slightly misleading, since it’s all the players voting, not just town.

Good point - "Group Kill"? "Voted Kill"?

"Purge" sounds pretty good - if I ever think up a "Glory to Arstotzka!" Game, then I'd use that



Just combing through the thread, here are the alternative so far (let me know if I missed one!)


Democratically Chosen Sacrifice (DCS)
Vote Off (VO)
Eliminate
Group Murder (GM)
Day Kill (DK)
Getting Whacked (GW)
Town Kill (TK)
Group Kill (GK)
Voted Kill (VK)
Purge



I'll keep this list growing as we go so mods have a bunch of suggested alternatives they can pick from if their game doesn't already have an obvious choice from the color.


_{Somewhere deep in the NSA Echelon servers, an AI routine has probably flagged my file just for typing that list}

[raventhief]

Dispatch

Mob kill (mk)

[Dante G]

How about Convicted and Sentenced? We're acting like a jury anyway, right.

Or is that too big of a term? C&S'd, maybe?

[Cao Cao]

Originally Posted by Dante G

How about Convicted and Sentenced? We're acting like a jury anyway, right.

Or is that too big of a term? C&S'd, maybe?

Oh, she can't be convicted, she's earner her degree...

[The Mighty Quinn]

Perhaps “elected”? It’s literally accurate and has a nice ironic ring to it.

“Getting whacked” has possibilities. It could be shortened to “whack”. It was whack or lose and we miswhacked.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Originally Posted by Dante G

Dude, what are you, like 12?

I must admit I have the same issue with this term, though I’m sure I could get used to it in time.

[TexCat]

Stoned? It still implies mob violence, but without the racial implications? I don't like the scum getting a night kill and all we get to do is vote off. I want blood and gore.

[SNFaulkner]

Burned at the stake?

Fed to the lions

In to The Pit with em!

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Democratically Chosen Sacrifice (DCS)
Vote Off (VO)
Eliminate
Group Murder (GM)
Day Kill (DK)
Getting Whacked (GW)
Town Kill (TK)
Group Kill (GK)
Voted Kill (VK)
Purge
Dispatch
Mob Kill (MK)
Convicted & Sentenced (CS)
Elected
Stoned
Burned at the Stake (BATS)
Fed to the Lions (FTTL)
In to the Pit with 'Em (IPE)

This is great Thanks for the contributions, everyone, keep 'em comin'

[hilarity n. suze]

Since it's a community thing how about "lotteried" in homage to Shirley Jackson?

"They were mislotteried."

[Personal]

Another Mafia community tackling this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopi...9251b9ea6346cb

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Democratically Chosen Sacrifice (DCS)
Vote Off (VO)
Eliminate
Group Murder (GM)
Day Kill (DK)
Getting Whacked (GW)
Town Kill (TK)
Group Kill (GK)
Voted Kill (VK)
Purge
Dispatch
Mob Kill (MK)
Convicted & Sentenced (CS)
Elected
Stoned
Burned at the Stake (BATS)
Fed to the Lions (FTTL)
In to the Pit with 'Em (IPE)
Lotteried




Thanks for the link, Personal, I'm glad to see we're not the only mafia community dealing with this

[Personal]

I'll ask that "execute" be added.

[Pleonast]

Yeah, I think "execute" works well if a violent term is desired.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Democratically Chosen Sacrifice (DCS)
Vote Off (VO)
Eliminate
Group Murder (GM)
Day Kill (DK)
Getting Whacked (GW)
Town Kill (TK)
Group Kill (GK)
Voted Kill (VK)
Purge
Dispatch
Mob Kill (MK)
Convicted & Sentenced (CS)
Elected
Stoned
Burned at the Stake (BATS)
Fed to the Lions (FTTL)
In to the Pit with 'Em (IPE)
Lotteried
Execute

[brownie55]

This was just brought to my attention. I agree, lynch has got to go.

I am fond of cull.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

You want to be careful not to change to another word that can be racially bent also.

Purge I think carries a negative connotation to Jews. I'd eliminate that as well.

Day Kill has a slip value to it, that I don't think should be the replacement.

I'm a fan of something strong like execute.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

What's a slip value?

[hilarity n. suze]

smite

[brownie55]

Originally Posted by hilarity n. suze

smite

Too Jewish.

[raventhief]

Sentence (to death)?

[hilarity n. suze]

How about "zap"?

If a town player got it you could say they had a little mis-zap. (Go on, say it out loud.) I think it would be pretty apt.