All Night Chroma - Mvt. 1: Voix Célestes

[Kaiveran]

Welcome all to the Giraffe Festival Hall, for our exclusive première of All Night Chroma.

We kindly request you thoroughly review the program notes provided before we start.

Enjoy the performance!

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LIVING PLAYERS:

1. Meeko
2. Eristic Widgeon
3. LightFoot
4. raventhief
5. Bashorian Clement
6. Mahaloth
7. Precambrianmollusc
8. Vanta Black
9. Dizzymrslizzy
10. Colby

SUMMARY OF EVENTS:
<TBF>

SPECIAL CONDITIONS:

• During this Movement, if 3 or more players take actions on each other in a closed loop (e.g Player A targets Player B, who targets Player C, who targets Player A again), the involved players will lose 1 Chroma.
• During this Movement, if 3 or more players all take an action on the same player, everyone who targeted said player will gain 1 Chroma.

NOTE: Role PMs and Action Menus both need to go out before Movement 1 officially starts. I will post again verifying when that happens. Until then, DO NOT POST.

These gradients are my "Host Colors", basically meaning that y'all can make your posts as colorful as you want without fear of repercussions.

[Kaiveran]

Movement 1 has officially started, and will (tentatively) end @ Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 10:00PM CDT

YOU MAY NOW POST!

Yes, I am aware of GB's certificate issue and will be willing to grant an extension should it keep too many players from the game too long.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Movement 1 has officially started, and will (tentatively) end @ Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 10:00PM CDT

YOU MAY NOW POST!

Yes, I am aware of GB's certificate issue and will be willing to grant an extension should it keep too many players from the game too long.

A Chat Room Fader?!





/s GotMail.wav will come in next, I'm sure.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Ok. You asked for it.




Also, I can confirm I have PM-age.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

SPECIAL CONDITIONS:

• During this Movement, if 3 or more players take actions on each other in a closed loop (e.g Player A targets Player B, who targets Player C, who targets Player A again), the involved players will lose 1 Chroma.
• During this Movement, if 3 or more players all take an action on the same player, everyone who targeted said player will gain 1 Chroma.

Your John Horton Conway is showing. [RIP]

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Your John Horton Conway is showing. [RIP]

to a real one

Almost forgot: I would strongly advise that all actions be submitted at least 30 minutes before deadline.

I'm not setting a super hard cutoff here, but that's around when I'll start the EoP process, and if it's much later than that, it may not get counted.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Should we all just claim our colors straight away?

I asked that one month ago today. I think that colors are possibly irrelevant enough that posting them does not help. Why do we even have colors in addition to our alignment?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I asked that one month ago today. I think that colors are possibly irrelevant enough that posting them does not help. Why do we even have colors in addition to our alignment?

IIRC there is also the ability to "paint" and I think that, one can paint someone else.

Thus investigation would be irrelevant.

Which makes color claims irrelevant.

Because, lets be honest. We are going to have players that get the short end, repeatedly in this one.

As has been in all of ours in the past. Someone is going to get a target on them.

Related, where is that bartender with my drink?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

to a real one

OOG

I just meant, the entire "If 3" / "If Not 3" math here, is too close to the rules of Conway's life. And then, poking around, you see his name here and there, too, and it's like, I think he was ultimately underrated, mostly due to the fact that, well, how niche is mathematics on that scale?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I asked that one month ago today. I think that colors are possibly irrelevant enough that posting them does not help. Why do we even have colors in addition to our alignment?

You didn't confirm your PM.

[Vanta Black]

Hello, computers suck, I hate the internet. What have I done now? I have to log in every time I refresh! And put my password in! So if you don't see me as much as usual in this game that could be why, unless it starts working like it used to, grrr.

[Mahaloth]

Sorry, I guess I missed it and was probably skimming* the opening post. I guess we have yet to start.

Yes, I have a PM.

[Mahaloth]

*kill him! He's skimming!

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko

You didn't confirm your PM.

I don't see where we need to

[LightFoot]

I am here after 13 hours away I can't og in at work due to the not secure thingy .
Play I shall

[Luci69]

I'm new I'm interested in playing too

[Eristic Widgeon]

I'm here! I missed the whole first 24 hours but now I've set the whole evening aside and am ready to start catching up and taking notes...ah. It's like that, is it?

[LightFoot]

Hello
I have a bit of time but my day wi start 10 hours from now so sleeping may be a tthing- oh and food too- I think

there are so many keys on this board that are sometimers- translation requests wil be forthcoming

[Eristic Widgeon]

I think this is basically a flipless game with hints. We'll never really know what anyone's alignment was after they die, but we'll have enough information to make informed guesses.

From the rules:

The majority of the REDS are Mafia-aligned, and start the game with 5 Chromata (more on those later.)
The majority of the GREENS are Town-aligned and start the game with 2 Chromata.
The majority of the BLUES are Town-aligned and start the game with 5 Chromata.

There are presumably either 2 or 3 scum. Let's err on the side of caution and say 3. So either:

all 3 scum are Reds, and up to two Townies may also be. All Blues and Greens are Town.
or
there are 2 Red scum and one non-Red scum. There might be one Red townie.
or
there is one Red scum, who is the only Red, and the other two scum are non-Red.

So the number of Reds theoretically ranges from 1 to 5. As we get color flips we'll start to get some idea of how common Reds are, which will allow us to evaluate which world we're more likely in.

If I had to guess, I think the scenario where all scum are Red is least likely, if only because Reds all have 5 chromata. 7-3 is already pretty unbalanced in favor of scum, so I doubt they'd all be powered up too. OTOH, if there are only 2 scum, they're both probably either Red or Blue.

Blues or Greens should NOT claim their color! Blues are effectively Town power roles, so their claiming only helps scum.

It's possible that we should call on any Red townies to claim; if we assumed that all Red townies would do so truthfully, doing so would allow us to eliminate at least one of the three scenarios. Of course, not all claims would necessarily be truthful! I think this should be discussed before anyone claims. What do we think of it?

[Eristic Widgeon]

So basically I think the scum are likely either Red-Red-Green or Red-Blue-Green.

[Eristic Widgeon]

At the very least, any Red townies who find themselves in danger of elimination need to claim fairly early in the Day IMO.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Hopefully it won't come to that, but if we get to YoLo, that in itself will give us a great deal of information.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I asked that one month ago today. I think that colors are possibly irrelevant enough that posting them does not help. Why do we even have colors in addition to our alignment?

Because we don't see alignment when people flip, we just see color.

[raventhief]

Hello, in here, got my pm... Glad I checked GB before sleep, but sleep is nigh.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I think this is basically a flipless game with hints. We'll never really know what anyone's alignment was after they die, but we'll have enough information to make informed guesses.

From the rules:

There are presumably either 2 or 3 scum. Let's err on the side of caution and say 3. So either:

all 3 scum are Reds, and up to two Townies may also be. All Blues and Greens are Town.
or
there are 2 Red scum and one non-Red scum. There might be one Red townie.
or
there is one Red scum, who is the only Red, and the other two scum are non-Red.

So the number of Reds theoretically ranges from 1 to 5. As we get color flips we'll start to get some idea of how common Reds are, which will allow us to evaluate which world we're more likely in.

If I had to guess, I think the scenario where all scum are Red is least likely, if only because Reds all have 5 chromata. 7-3 is already pretty unbalanced in favor of scum, so I doubt they'd all be powered up too. OTOH, if there are only 2 scum, they're both probably either Red or Blue.

Blues or Greens should NOT claim their color! Blues are effectively Town power roles, so their claiming only helps scum.

It's possible that we should call on any Red townies to claim; if we assumed that all Red townies would do so truthfully, doing so would allow us to eliminate at least one of the three scenarios. Of course, not all claims would necessarily be truthful! I think this should be discussed before anyone claims. What do we think of it?

My thought - Any Red Town who claims is a target
when /if investigated the colour would be semi confirmed and when the going gets rough Town will vote them to see [self included]

do you follw my sideways logic [and borked keyboard?]

[Eristic Widgeon]

Yes, that's definitely a possibility.

I just realized though, that Red townies shouldn't claim now, because they are power roles. They should, however, not sit on their powers, since they may need to claim fairly soon.

[LightFoot]

Ihave more thoughts but I hav been up for 19 hours and back to peopling in 7 hours
atleast I have the weekend

[Bashorian Clement]

I'm unclear as to when actions are submitted and when they take place.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I'm unclear as to when actions are submitted and when they take place.

At any time during the Movement, actions may be submitted. They will be resolved immediately at the end of the Movement, along with the vote.

This is essentially an Instant Night game.

[Vanta Black]

I am trying to figure out a strategy to maximize points (3 or more target the same player), get info, and not lose points (by targeting in a closed loop, that seems easy enough). Unfortunately this seems to involve math. There seem to be some people here who are good at math I am not.

About claiming, I don't see any upside at the moment for any red towny to claim. It would not be confirmed by the flip in any case. If I'm reading the rules right, all we will get is the color.

Also: is the certificate problem cleared up for others? It doesn't seem to be for me. Obviously, I can get here, but having trouble staying logged in.

[Archangel]

Driveby to say oh, thank God you guys are here, I know I'm not the most engaged right now but I would miss you all terribly and I thought the board was defunct (it happened to Idlemafia and I thought the same thing was happening here).

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

At any time during the Movement, actions may be submitted. They will be resolved immediately at the end of the Movement, along with the vote.

This is essentially an Instant Night game.

One would need to have some context / ability to deduce a better choice over others, right?


Right?


Quasi related, if we aren't going to have "Night" Per se, ... that is really going to mess with my esoteric Youtube video posting. I mean, that Meatball Parade was just an appetizer, if you will. I got one, that even with explanation, still needs to be unpacked.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I think this is basically a flipless game with hints. We'll never really know what anyone's alignment was after they die, but we'll have enough information to make informed guesses.

From the rules:

There are presumably either 2 or 3 scum. Let's err on the side of caution and say 3. So either:

all 3 scum are Reds, and up to two Townies may also be. All Blues and Greens are Town.
or
there are 2 Red scum and one non-Red scum. There might be one Red townie.
or
there is one Red scum, who is the only Red, and the other two scum are non-Red.

So the number of Reds theoretically ranges from 1 to 5. As we get color flips we'll start to get some idea of how common Reds are, which will allow us to evaluate which world we're more likely in.

If I had to guess, I think the scenario where all scum are Red is least likely, if only because Reds all have 5 chromata. 7-3 is already pretty unbalanced in favor of scum, so I doubt they'd all be powered up too. OTOH, if there are only 2 scum, they're both probably either Red or Blue.

Blues or Greens should NOT claim their color! Blues are effectively Town power roles, so their claiming only helps scum.

It's possible that we should call on any Red townies to claim; if we assumed that all Red townies would do so truthfully, doing so would allow us to eliminate at least one of the three scenarios. Of course, not all claims would necessarily be truthful! I think this should be discussed before anyone claims. What do we think of it?

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

So basically I think the scum are likely either Red-Red-Green or Red-Blue-Green.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's go here.



Based upon and given your two posts I've quoted.

PIS.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I am trying to figure out a strategy to maximize points (3 or more target the same player), get info, and not lose points (by targeting in a closed loop, that seems easy enough). Unfortunately this seems to involve math. There seem to be some people here who are good at math I am not.

About claiming, I don't see any upside at the moment for any red towny to claim. It would not be confirmed by the flip in any case. If I'm reading the rules right, all we will get is the color.

Also: is the certificate problem cleared up for others? It doesn't seem to be for me. Obviously, I can get here, but having trouble staying logged in.

1. I more or less hinted at this with my sideways glance / comment on John Conway.

http://pi.math.cornell.edu/~lipa/mec/lesson6.html

For our immediate use in this game, it informs the entire notion of having 3 players doing X, or Y to each other, or to fourth player. AFAICT / AFAIK / FWIW I think even the greatest minds on problems similar to this, have resolved that such problems are unsolvable and cannot be determined from the first steps, if ever.

We can talk ideas on this until we are blue, .... green, or red in the face. And it still wont help.

Until I get more concrete / mod confirmed / certified information, I'm not going to invest too much time on that part of the game yet. We need answers, answers will come. It's no less than for any other Day 1. It is however, a lot more than any other Day 1.

At least for our group, and I would assume the games we play in our sphere.

An arms length from the above, one can take the above to inform as to my early vote on EW. You wouldn't move as far as you did, with all of this "" Color "" logic .... unless you had Perfect Information.


2. Your second paragraph ..... see my point 1 here. More or less the same.

3. I posted into the "About this board" post that covers the certificate issue back on the main screen of Giraffe. They are aware, and Giraffe has even stated that the date should have been 2025.

So, I think, as far as I can trust this board, I can trust being here, despite the certificate. I mean, you know, I think we are good. It's kinda like that one scene I had with Shannon, and she said I couldn't safeword.....

I digress.

Suffice to say, by my own twisted logic, I feel that we are beyond safe and good, as far as the certificate goes. Obviously, by virtue of the fact I'm already playing.

[Mahaloth]

I'm sorry, have we actually started now or still waiting?

[raventhief]

This is an odd one, we won't know when we get a scumbo, right? Aq

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's go here.



Based upon and given your two posts I've quoted.

PIS.

Based upon your total inability to make any fucking sense, go to Hell.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I am trying to figure out a strategy to maximize points (3 or more target the same player), get info, and not lose points (by targeting in a closed loop, that seems easy enough). Unfortunately this seems to involve math. There seem to be some people here who are good at math I am not.

About claiming, I don't see any upside at the moment for any red towny to claim. It would not be confirmed by the flip in any case. If I'm reading the rules right, all we will get is the color.

Also: is the certificate problem cleared up for others? It doesn't seem to be for me. Obviously, I can get here, but having trouble staying logged in.

I suppose we could consider announcing who we are going to target, thus increasing the chance that others will target the same person and get the bonus. Of course, scum could take advantage of that, too.

The main advantage for a Red Townie claiming is that we might not vote them off, whereas if they don’t tell us and get scanned, we almost certainly will. That’s just the basic logic of the Miller role. In this case, there’s some additional benefit, as knowing the number of Red townies would allow us to make inferences about the setup.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I suppose we could consider announcing who we are going to target, thus increasing the chance that others will target the same person and get the bonus. Of course, scum could take advantage of that, too.

The main advantage for a Red Townie claiming is that we might not vote them off, whereas if they don’t tell us and get scanned, we almost certainly will. That’s just the basic logic of the Miller role. In this case, there’s some additional benefit, as knowing the number of Red townies would allow us to make inferences about the setup.

Except there is a block function. So announcing our targets is probably not the smartest!

[Mahaloth]

I guess we have begun?

Is announcing our colors useless? I'm fine with revealing mine if we think it is helpful.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Based upon your total inability to make any fucking sense, go to Hell.

[vote]Meeko[vote]

Perhaps I should make a signature, that informs about my inability to be understood, and how tge Magic Of Friendship, pervades, regardless.

Are you voting me, because I don't have perfect information?



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Also, what a dum dum I am, I was taking "All Night" to mean that it was one hue rave, or something. I thought the title of the game was pure color, and not informative in the least.

But, no, Kai you mean that, essentially the entire game is at Night. ?

[Meeko]

NETA : HUE RAVE actually kinda works better over "Huge Rave".

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Yes, that's definitely a possibility.

I just realized though, that Red townies shouldn't claim now, because they are power roles. They should, however, not sit on their powers, since they may need to claim fairly soon.

Is it possible to vote you twice?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Based upon your total inability to make any fucking sense, go to Hell.

For coming on way too harsh:



I mean, come on, relax a bit.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I guess we have begun?

Is announcing our colors useless? I'm fine with revealing mine if we think it is helpful.

Mahaloth is starting to feel like he’s trying too hard to look like a clueless Townie. This is his third post saying basically “I’m not paying attention to the thread”.

I’ve discussed my thoughts about claims in some detail and he doesn’t comment on them at all, despite ostensibly asking for advice from others. (FTR, again, definitely do NOT claim if you are Blue or Green. Only if you are Red should you even consider it)

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Is it possible to vote you twice?

1. Why do you think I have “Perfect Information”? Because I have thought about the setup and posted detailed thoughts about it? How do you think my post would read differently if I were town trying to figure the game out rather than “scum with PIS”? Sorry for being rude, but I was very annoyed that you seemed to just reflexively vote the only person who’s made an effort to move the game forward.

2. What about this post specifically do you dislike? Do you feel that Red townies should claim immediately? Or do you feel that they should be cautious and conserve their powers until later in the game? Or is it just “hurr durr, reading the rules is scummy?”

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

For coming on way too harsh:



I mean, come on, relax a bit.

Fair point. Relaxing.

Besides, Meeko is probably just being Meeko and bad logic isn’t necessarily scummy. But your posting pattern is suspicious and you’re rushing to put the second vote on a Townie with not even a pretense of a game related reason.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

For coming on way too harsh:

[vote]Vote Eristic Widgeon[vote]

I mean, come on, relax a bit.

Glad it is not just me.

I will have more to say later. Minutes away from the end of my lunch break. After work I will post more on this, and why I am not unvoting at present. Plus, I will be on a computer, not a phone, hopefully less typos. More time for thinking.

Hopefully.

Also, one piece of OOG, then, as well.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Mahaloth is starting to feel like he’s trying too hard to look like a clueless Townie. This is his third post saying basically “I’m not paying attention to the thread”.

I was genuinely thrown by the thread starting without the game starting. I actually hosted "Book of the New Sun" mafia, which was also Nightless, and yet here I am confused.

I do see the "game started" post now, but really think we should have had a Night Zero thread before it got going.

Anyway, here we are.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I’ve discussed my thoughts about claims in some detail and he doesn’t comment on them at all, despite ostensibly asking for advice from others. (FTR, again, definitely do NOT claim if you are Blue or Green. Only if you are Red should you even consider it)

Again, and you can double-vote me(heh heh) for my cluelessness, but why should people with green or blue not just tell us?

And how do these colors help or hurt us at all? Just hints as to who we are(uh, were if we're dead)?