All Night Chroma - Mvt. 2: Mutations With Reeds

[Kaiveran]

Listen to the eerie dulcet tones of swellbox flutes and reeds, of otherworldly corners of the organ not often heard.

A far cry from the noble, unflappable majesty one is used to, they seem to suggest vulnerability, anxiety, loneliness...and with the entrance of the pedal bass below, perhaps even the creeping fear of death...

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Precambrianmollusc, GREEN, has been voted out.
Vanta Black, BLUE, has died by other means.

LIVING PLAYERS:

1. Meeko
2. Eristic Widgeon
3. LightFoot
4. raventhief
5. Bashorian Clement
6. Mahaloth
7. Dizzymrslizzy
8. Colby

SUMMARY OF EVENTS:
Movement 1:

• Precambrianmollusc axed
• Vanta Black dead of other causes

SPECIAL CONDITIONS:
There shall be no more!

[Kaiveran]

Movement 2 will conclude @ Friday, 2 September 2022 at 10:00PM CDT

In case it wasn't clear, you may now post here!

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Almost forgot: I would strongly advise that all actions be submitted at least 30 minutes before deadline.

I'm not setting a super hard cutoff here, but that's around when I'll start the EoP process, and if it's much later than that, it may not get counted.

Also, this advisory is NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

Feel free to submit your actions right up to the minute (:00 good, :01 bad) and I'll just take the time after deadline to get everything sorted.

[raventhief]

From the other thread

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Reading your last 3 posts I am surprised that was your choice?

Me too, in a way. I dithered and dithered and finally just went well, a min participating player helps no one...

But they turned out to be green. Which means... Well, nothing

[raventhief]

*non participating

[Mahaloth]

So is it right to say that we probably lost two Town, but we can't be sure? With no real information, how do we even try to make informed decisions?

[Eristic Widgeon]

Well, we DO have one super important piece of information: We are down to eight players, and we aren't in LyLo (the Mod would have told us, per the rules). Therefore, there must be only two scum; either we started with two or we got lucky with PCM.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

SPECIAL CONDITIONS:
There shall be no more!

Can you elaborate?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

So is it right to say that we probably lost two Town, but we can't be sure? With no real information, how do we even try to make informed decisions?

The long and short of all of it :: Eristic did not get the majority vote.

No. But seriously.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Well, we DO have one super important piece of information: We are down to eight players, and we aren't in LyLo (the Mod would have told us, per the rules). Therefore, there must be only two scum; either we started with two or we got lucky with PCM.

I'll bite. Walk me through this math.

[Eristic Widgeon]

And, in the absence of someone claiming to have vigged Vanta, we can assume they were the NK and therefore Town.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

And, in the absence of someone claiming to have vigged Vanta, we can assume they were the NK and therefore Town.

Nuances of the immediate game aside, has scum ever NKd scum before? For a deception such as this?

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Well, we DO have one super important piece of information: We are down to eight players, and we aren't in LyLo (the Mod would have told us, per the rules). Therefore, there must be only two scum; either we started with two or we got lucky with PCM.

So if there are three scum... And there are 5 town... We wouldn't be at LYLO would we?

[Eristic Widgeon]

If there were 3 scum and we lost two more town, it would be 3-3. Most Mods would call that a scum win, though some would keep playing until the scum had an absolute majority. Looking at the rules I don't see that Kaiveran specified either way.

Do scum need an absolute majority to win, or just to achieve parity?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Nuances of the immediate game aside, has scum ever NKd scum before? For a deception such as this?

I've been playing since 2009 and I think probably not. I mean, the idea is out there, but it's kind like any elaborate plan town comes up with. It rarely goes through.

I've never been on a scum team that killed one of their own.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I've been playing since 2009 and I think probably not. I mean, the idea is out there, but it's kind like any elaborate plan town comes up with. It rarely goes through.

I've never been on a scum team that killed one of their own.

I don't believe I have ever seen it either.
It almost did through miscommunication but I don't remember it happening

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Eristic Widgeon (4): Meeko (33), Mahaloth (44)[84], Dizzymrslizzy (60), Vanta Black (115), LightFoot (123)

Precambrian Mollusc (3): Bashorian Clement (110), Mahaloth (124), raventhief (130)
Precambrianmollusc (1): Eristic Widgeon (112)
Pcm (1): Colby11 (120)

Mahaloth (0): Eristic Widgeon (47)[112]
Meeko (0): Eristic Widgeon (37)[47]

For future reference
for my sanity Vanta is assumed Town unless someone claims otherwise

[LightFoot]

NETA I am aware that with the 'paint' power the colours above may not be the true colours

[Eristic Widgeon]

So, were the scum afraid of Vanta's plan, or just of Vanta? If there are in fact only two scum, Vanta's plan would have been strongly pro-Town. Not a great look for those who loudly opposed the plan.

raven is lock town. No way scum passes up the chance to dunk on me at the last minute there. Major FOS on the three players who did want to get rid of a strong player instead of a potato on Day One. I feel confident there is at least one and quite likely two scum in Meeko/Dizzy/LightFoot. I think of the three, Meeko is actually the least likely to be scum, because he started the whole thing and because he does unpredictable things as town.

So yeah, let's go there.

[Meeko]

OOG

I did promise some super obscure YouTubeage, right?



Right.

We'll let this one kick around a bit, and I will come back in with the "Answer Key" to this video, that I had to go google.

I mean, Once you crack the foreign language barrier, the fun only begins. Massive Rabbit hole here.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

So, were the scum afraid of Vanta's plan, or just of Vanta? If there are in fact only two scum, Vanta's plan would have been strongly pro-Town. Not a great look for those who loudly opposed the plan.

raven is lock town. No way scum passes up the chance to dunk on me at the last minute there. Major FOS on the three players who did want to get rid of a strong player instead of a potato on Day One. I feel confident there is at least one and quite likely two scum in Meeko/Dizzy/LightFoot. I think of the three, Meeko is actually the least likely to be scum, because he started the whole thing and because he does unpredictable things as town.

So yeah, let's go there.

Thanks? ?

[Eristic Widgeon]

Funny that scum (maybe) killed Vanta for fear of their idea catching on. And yet, most of the players have now checked in and nobody seems to have a Tracker result to report.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

raven is lock town.

How ?

In general, if we do figure out how to best play this one, all of us, together, it will be only at the end.

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Are there any of us out here, who have successfully been able to divorce our play here, from our play in ""regular"" mafia games?

Like, ok, I feel I've already said this, but to circle back around, the posts and the attitudes of other games won't work here.

The greater of the two evils, is trying to figure out how to reverse the car, do the three point turn, and drive in the right direction.




Whoever said that Eristic was on Chess, while the rest of us were on Checkers..... THIS.

But, I'm not sure that .... there is a reason why I haven't voted yet. Not sure what it is yet.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Funny that scum (maybe) killed Vanta for fear of their idea catching on. And yet, most of the players have now checked in and nobody seems to have a Tracker result to report.

Some may have tracked and have no need to report at this time.

[Eristic Widgeon]

If we did Vanta's plan Today,

Meeko and I track each other
LightFoot and raven track each other
BC and Mahaloth track each other
Dizzy and Colby track each other

The Dizzy/Colby pair would also have been in effect Yesterday, so if they were both scum Dizzy presumably would have been all for it. I'm not scum, and I really doubt either of the other two pairs are scum.

So I propose this. Let's carry Vanta on to victory on the Chromatic Cannonball. Or something.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Some may have tracked and have no need to report at this time.

Possible, of course. I guess I've given away that I have nothing to report.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Possible, of course. I guess I've given away that I have nothing to report.

Since you brought it up is it because you didn't do anything? OR ??

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

If there were 3 scum and we lost two more town, it would be 3-3. Most Mods would call that a scum win, though some would keep playing until the scum had an absolute majority. Looking at the rules I don't see that Kaiveran specified either way.

Do scum need an absolute majority to win, or just to achieve parity?

Ah yes, I should have included explicit wincons in the rules.

The Mafia win condition is to irreversibly equal/outnumber the town, so e.g they will not automatically win at parity, unless there are no Townies who can take the requisite actions to preserve Town majority.

The Town win condition is to eliminate all Mafia as usual.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

NETA I am aware that with the 'paint' power the colours above may not be the true colours

It's specified in the action description, but it bears repeating: players will always reveal their true Color on death.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Oh yeah, per the rules:

Votes will be locked in an ELo situation, that is, any situation where the number of Mafia is one less than the number of Townies.

So, yes, it could be 5-3.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Since you brought it up is it because you didn't do anything? OR ??

I did not scan, kill or track anyone. I will not confirm or deny having guarded or blocked anyone.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

If we did Vanta's plan Today,

Meeko and I track each other
LightFoot and raven track each other
BC and Mahaloth track each other
Dizzy and Colby track each other

The Dizzy/Colby pair would also have been in effect Yesterday, so if they were both scum Dizzy presumably would have been all for it. I'm not scum, and I really doubt either of the other two pairs are scum.

So I propose this. Let's carry Vanta on to victory on the Chromatic Cannonball. Or something.

So, I will outright admit to not even knowing that the above had even been proposed.

But, the problem is, how can we assume it gets done? Who watches us? Who Watches the Watchers?

A P.O. Box in theory could break the chain.

But.... the entire "Wedlock" situation here ..... tickles my brain, in a good way.



Holy crap, is that a movie I have not thought about in AGES.

And you are talking to someone who, just yesterday got "Cloak and Dagger*" and "The Last Starfighter" through a convoluted program celebrating his 5 years with his employer.

* And I was like, wait, Elliot from ET?! He did other films?!

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I was going to save this for a PM, but screw it. I will ask here. Hopefully it is a measure of goodwill, or helps to provide more information, directly, or in directly.

Kai, did you nerf the ability to accrue additional chroma points to spend on powers when you changed the player count down?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Ah yes, I should have included explicit wincons in the rules.

The Mafia win condition is to irreversibly equal/outnumber the town, so e.g they will not automatically win at parity, unless there are no Townies who can take the requisite actions to preserve Town majority.

The Town win condition is to eliminate all Mafia as usual.

It's specified in the action description, but it bears repeating: players will always reveal their true Color on death.

How are we supposed to snip a Mod's posts if they are always further coded by the fader effect?


""True color upon Death""

Means nothing.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Can you elaborate?

Kai, did we get an answer on this, as well?

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Ok gang, cause like, my optimism in this game just dropped like a brick.

[Meeko]

What exactly is our math here?

That is to say, I thought that most games last 4 "nights" so I guess that we are at half that, as far as IRL timing goes.

But then again, we also have Red / Green / Blue ..... in place of color for reveals.

Who does this help more?

If It helps scum more, as I would assume that ultimately, it does, are we looking at One Scum from the beginning? The scum can camouflage better among all the "Colors in this game tell us something, but not really" -ness.

Because, like, the thing that I still cling to, is that town is going to need time to solve this. You can't move the goal posts out so far, and then not give corresponding additional time to figure it out.

I must assume that there is a way for Town to win this game, that is better than chance, better than a guess.

Shouldn't this lower the number of Scum at start?

[Meeko]

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

So, were the scum afraid of Vanta's plan, or just of Vanta? If there are in fact only two scum, Vanta's plan would have been strongly pro-Town. Not a great look for those who loudly opposed the plan.

raven is lock town. No way scum passes up the chance to dunk on me at the last minute there. Major FOS on the three players who did want to get rid of a strong player instead of a potato on Day One. I feel confident there is at least one and quite likely two scum in Meeko/Dizzy/LightFoot. I think of the three, Meeko is actually the least likely to be scum, because he started the whole thing and because he does unpredictable things as town.

So yeah, let's go there.

I think Vanta's plan would've worked Movement 1 only so I don't think they would've been afraid of it.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko

What exactly is our math here?

That is to say, I thought that most games last 4 "nights" so I guess that we are at half that, as far as IRL timing goes.

But then again, we also have Red / Green / Blue ..... in place of color for reveals.

Who does this help more?

If It helps scum more, as I would assume that ultimately, it does, are we looking at One Scum from the beginning? The scum can camouflage better among all the "Colors in this game tell us something, but not really" -ness.

Because, like, the thing that I still cling to, is that town is going to need time to solve this. You can't move the goal posts out so far, and then not give corresponding additional time to figure it out.

I must assume that there is a way for Town to win this game, that is better than chance, better than a guess.

Shouldn't this lower the number of Scum at start?

So you think it's possible there's just one? Or am I misreading.

[Eristic Widgeon]

I doubt there would only be one. Nobody wants to design a setup that could end on Day One.

7-2 is usually considered well balanced, so 8-2 would be slightly pro-town. Given that we don’t have flips, 7-3 does seem really overpowered for scum. But I don’t think we can afford to ASSUME there are only 2.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I did not scan, kill or track anyone. I will not confirm or deny having guarded or blocked anyone.

I'm guessing EW is green and most likely Town, then. Just a hot take and guess based somewhat on this post here. No real evidence to take from it though.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

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How are we supposed to snip a Mod's posts if they are always further coded by the fader effect?


""True color upon Death""

Means nothing.

The colour that the good Mod gave them.
Which yes means next to nothing

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

What exactly is our math here?

That is to say, I thought that most games last 4 "nights" so I guess that we are at half that, as far as IRL timing goes.

But then again, we also have Red / Green / Blue ..... in place of color for reveals.

Who does this help more?

If It helps scum more, as I would assume that ultimately, it does, are we looking at One Scum from the beginning? The scum can camouflage better among all the "Colors in this game tell us something, but not really" -ness.

Because, like, the thing that I still cling to, is that town is going to need time to solve this. You can't move the goal posts out so far, and then not give corresponding additional time to figure it out.

I must assume that there is a way for Town to win this game, that is better than chance, better than a guess.

Shouldn't this lower the number of Scum at start?

I am not sure about the number of Scum but they do know the colour of their kin- Town is clueless in that dept.
Like I think I said earlier - poke and hope seems to be the option available to us since we will not know the game state untill we hit [for lack of a better term] critica mass

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm guessing EW is green and most likely Town, then. Just a hot take and guess based somewhat on this post here. No real evidence to take from it though.

How did you divine a colour?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

How did you divine a colour?

I'm guessing he eliminated the skills that cost more than the chroma he would receive as green.

[Meeko]

Just saying, if there was only one scum in the game, the reaction that Eristic Widgeon had to my vote, actually would fit.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Just saying, if there was only one scum in the game, the reaction that Eristic Widgeon had to my vote, actually would fit.

I don't think there is just one [but what do I know] if/then that would fit for me as well

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I don't think there is just one [but what do I know] if/then that would fit for me as well

Someone agrees with me!

Someone agrees with me?

I just wish I knew our exact math. Because, if we are tighter on time, over looser, well, I'd have voted for someone by now. No bonus points for guessing.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Someone agrees with me!

Someone agrees with me?

I just wish I knew our exact math. Because, if we are tighter on time, over looser, well, I'd have voted for someone by now. No bonus points for guessing.

We are dancing with a different partner here [game wise] so I shall dance

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Kai, did you nerf the ability to accrue additional chroma points to spend on powers when you changed the player count down?[/B][/COLOR]

Yes, although they were never gonna be earthshaking amounts anyways. Which segues nicely into the next question:

Originally Posted by Meeko

Kai, did we get an answer on this, as well?

With the removal of events from the game, the Mvt. 1 special condition wass the only means to get additional/refunded Chromata. There will be no more conditions like it going forward.

Sorry to disappoint!

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Yes, although they were never gonna be earthshaking amounts anyways. Which segues nicely into the next question:

With the removal of events from the game, the Mvt. 1 special condition wass the only means to get additional/refunded Chromata. There will be no more conditions like it going forward.

Sorry to disappoint!

Well hell.

[Meeko]

Well .... I was coming in to do this.... And seeing as how my chroma points are more or less fixed... I'm further incentivized to do this.





1. Your reaction.
2. Your reaction, even if it wasn't out of character for the EW account, or any other (with respect, obviously) account in your sock drawer.
2.5 I'll get back to point 2 momentarily.
3. It is PIS
3.5 Or at least a reaction adjacent to PIS and or because of the PIS.

4. Yes. Because you were playing chess, as we were playing checkers.

5. The entire lack of getting extra chroma points.

6. Because this is a hill I need to die on. (See Number 2)
6.1 And I need to die on this hill, 'as' Meeko.
6.2 Yes. The legacy of the last game.
6.3 Yes, because I get to do this, not 'as' Mendie.

7. Yeah. If we need to talk about Mendie, we can do that later. Ask me about the relevant YouTube video, and my most recent trip to Harrahs.

8. Because the unorthodox rule set this game has.
8.1 I am not and will not find a better lead than I will be willing to "get on board with."

9. This is my bone.

10. Besides. "Mendie is going to Mendie" doesn't quite work the same.