F**k Hamas

[Sputnik]

Hamas, the terrorist government of Gaza did a really stupid thing. Really stupid. I’m speaking of 10/7, and the slaughter of innocent people at a music event in Israel, not to mention innocent people in nearby communities. Pure terrorism. Apparently they thought they would get away with it only to learn that Israel wasn’t going to let that go unpunished, and punishment is raining down on them like never before. So what do those cowards do? They play the victim card and beg their Palestinian brothers to back them up and save them. Just f**k Hamas.

The US just ordered the Eisenhower carrier strike group to the Eastern Med to join the Ford carrier strike group already there. 2 carrier strike groups represent a huge military armada, not to mention the Air Force sending F35s, 15s, 16s, and A10s to the general area. Israel has massed 300,000 troops outside Gaza and is isolating Gaza from the world. Hamas has created one hell of a mess and deserves the wrath they are feeling. I’m just hoping this doesn’t spread and when this is done, a lasting peace breaks out.

F**k Hamas.

[kayaker]

If this were a novel, Jimmy Carter would step in at some point.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by kayaker

If this were a novel, Jimmy Carter would step in at some point.

He's in Hospice Care currently. That would be impressive.

[kayaker]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

He's in Hospice Care currently. That would be impressive.

Him building houses was impressive. I'm thinking he'd pick up a phone and minutes later be on a call with all interested parties.

[Jaglavak]

Of course, the Israeli reaction is exactly what Hamas wanted and expected. There is a cadre of assholes in Gaza who have dedicated their lives to keeping the cycle of violence going, and they needed a few more recruits. Nothing like getting your home blown up to radicalized a kid. As usual, most folks on both sides just want to get on with their lives.

[Dr. Winston O'Boogie]

I understand that there are (right or wrong) grievances by Hamas against the Israeli government. That attack is not the way to try to solve them. You claim that you care about your peoples, so why do you fire rockets from residential areas? Why do you hide among innocent civilians? Your actions are GUARANTEED to cause mass civilian casualties among those people you pretend to care about.

Hamas is a bunch of cowards. The ground troops hide among the innocent, hoping that Israel will worry more about collateral damage. The leaders hide IN ANOTHER &@$*ING COUNTRY. Won't they be surprised when they finally die and Allah sends them straight to hell.

[PlantCarnivorous]

They also ask people to not evacuate the Northern area, because Israel asked them to, since Israel is apparently going to blow it to snot.

[Joe Biden]

People always point to the massive casualty disparities between Israel and Gaza during these conflicts, but they “forget” to mention that the biggest reason for it is that Israel actually cares about whether their citizens live or die, while Hamas would prefer their citizens dead because their most powerful weapon against Israel is photos of their own dead civilians.

Israel builds bomb shelters. Hamas builds tunnels to smuggle weapons in between schools, hospitals, and tower blocks filled with non-combatants. If you want to know which side is the more morally upstanding in this conflict then there’s really nothing else you need to know.

[PlantCarnivorous]

My worry is how large the booby traps are that Hamas has concealed in the North East.
Do they have a nuke? Are they willing to lose half of the strip to take out a portion of Israel and claim that the Israelis used it against them?
Hamas knows the Israelis are coming, and thanks to the warning to civilians, they know where.

[Sputnik]

Well, it’s getting hot over there. Iran sent a warning to Israel, through the UN, that if they continued their war against Gaza, Iran would intervene against Israel. Okay, a little math. The US has 2 carrier strike groups at or getting near the eastern Med. There is also an amphibious ready group closing in on the eastern med with 2000 Marines in it. B-52s have also made the flight to somewhere over there. The UK has one of their new carriers headed there too. This has the potential of being one very large shit show if all that power is unleashed over in the Middle East.

I saw a blurb that put the value of the Ford carrier strike group at 43 billion, including all the ships, planes and the 2 LA class subs that are possibly part of the CSG. Very few people know if/where the US subs are, so that has to be speculation. But the subs do protect the carriers. Like good watch dogs.

[What Exit?]

Originally Posted by Sputnik

Well, it’s getting hot over there. Iran sent a warning to Israel, through the UN, that if they continued their war against Gaza, Iran would intervene against Israel. Okay, a little math. The US has 2 carrier strike groups at or getting near the eastern Med. There is also an amphibious ready group closing in on the eastern med with 2000 Marines in it. B-52s have also made the flight to somewhere over there. The UK has one of their new carriers headed there too. This has the potential of being one very large shit show if all that power is unleashed over in the Middle East.

I saw a blurb that put the value of the Ford carrier strike group at 43 billion, including all the ships, planes and the 2 LA class subs that are possibly part of the CSG. Very few people know if/where the US subs are, so that has to be speculation. But the subs do protect the carriers. Like good watch dogs.

Fast Attack Subs are just there to protect the fleet. These don't launch Tomahawks or anything to the best of my knowledge.

2000 Marines is a very small force if the conflict widens.

It is nearly 1000 miles from the coast of Israel to Tehran. Until the fleets move to the Persian Gulf, I don't think Iran has a lot to worry about from the 3 carriers.

Now the B-52s can do a frightening amount of damage. Just ask Iraq.

If we take Iran's threat seriously, the big threat is more missiles flying at Israel. So what we need to do is find more anti-missile defenses to give to Israel.

As far as Iran's Airforce vs. said 3 carriers, they would be completely destroyed if they flew into Israeli airspace. I doubt one would make it home. They're jets are garbage compared to what we'll be putting in the air from nearby. The USS Ford can launch at a rate of speed greater than any carrier in history. Our fighters can use all of the armaments and make a quick turn around for more.

[Sputnik]

Stormie, maybe you could come into this thread and continue safe from the bullshit that made it into your thread. I’m especially interested in whether you feel Hamas/Palestine was in any way justified in its Oct 7th attack? I find it difficult to see any justification for the murder of 1500 Israeli citizens because of what others, long dead, might have done in the past.

I’m sorry others couldn’t behave appropriately.

[stormie]

Originally Posted by Jaglavak

Of course, the Israeli reaction is exactly what Hamas wanted and expected. There is a cadre of assholes in Gaza who have dedicated their lives to keeping the cycle of violence going, and they needed a few more recruits. Nothing like getting your home blown up to radicalized a kid. As usual, most folks on both sides just want to get on with their lives.

This is a biiig problem. Once a couple generations have grown up with violence, or the constant threat of violence, the society develops a weird relationship with violence. A lessened ability to feel like the potential for a less violent world is possible. The whole thing can recover in a generation, with the third generation being unable to fathom the life their grandparents lived.

I'm so saddened, it isn't going to stop. Damn.

[stormie]

Originally Posted by Sputnik

Stormie. . . I’m especially interested in whether you feel Hamas/Palestine was in any way justified in its Oct 7th attack?

(Sputnik, it's okay, that's why I posted in the Pit! I wanted to see what the response would be. Decided not to talk with the neighbors about my pro-Palestinan views.)

The problem with your question is "Hamas/Palestine". They are not the same. Seeing the two as the same is so sad.

Hamas is the worst of us humans. Terrorist acts are . . . unspeakable. I really don't have words. I do not support Hamas, not would I defend or believe their is justification for their acts. It makes me a bit sick to think of being able to feel that way. Ugh.

Palestinians are people who want to live their lives. Poor rabbits. I am glad I cannot imagine what hell they are living now.

ps. I was going to change my avatar to this fellow, but Warren is just too adorable.

[JackieLikesVariety]

I heard an interview on the radio that I wanted to post a link to in your thread, Stormie, but then I couldn't find the interview and now the thread is locked. it was with members of Stand Together and they were describing the threats and intimidation against them for doing things like praying for the children in Gaza.

so I'm posting this link about What It's Like to be a Peace Activist in Israel right now because I can find it.

the idea that you can't criticize your government because that makes you a traitor is all kinds of wrong. Just like deciding Stormie must be a Nazi for saying Fuck Israel. and yet here we are.

If military might and war was the answer, Israel would have already won. this doesn't mean I don't think Israel shouldn't defend itself.

I put the person who got Stormie's thread locked on ignore. Not the nicest thing, shunning a person, but once someone is overcome with hate there's no point in listening to them.

[Crafter_Man]

Now Hamas is trying to fool the world that they have a "heart" by releasing an elderly hostage.

I'm not fooled. Fuck them. They need annihilated.

[Sputnik]

Military might and the crisis.

Here’s something that escaped our attention 40 plus years ago. This happened in the Southern Middle Atlantic Ocean.

A Central Intelligence Agency-sponsored panel of well-respected scientists concluded that a mysterious flash detected by a U.S. Vela satellite over the South Atlantic on the night of 22 September 1979 was likely a nuclear test.

Israel has been silent about this but it’s pretty well accepted that it was their test. One might wonder just how much help Israel got from friendly nations in becoming (allegedly) a nuclear power?

Now, keeping that in mind, just how far will Israel be pushed before the world finds out, if in fact, they are a nuclear power?

The US has said that the 2000 Marines stationed off shore will be used for humanitarian aid. I hope Biden understands that putting American boots on he ground over there will light political fires that may never be extinguished.

All this is my 2 cents worth, that’s all, so disagree as much as you like.

[What Exit?]

2000 Marines is a very small force.
They are not for military operations.

They might be to beef up embassies in the region or to protect and escort citizens out of a war zone.

It is pretty well accepted Israel has nukes. Iran better be careful.

[Sputnik]

It’s a powder keg in a thunder storm. At least we have a POTUS who doesn’t think he’s smarter than all his generals, or that his intuition is more accurate than the experts.

[Jaglavak]

Originally Posted by What Exit?

2000 Marines is a very small force.
They are not for military operations.

I think they are to back up our remaining forces in northern Syria.

[Sputnik]

Hamas has frogmen? Apparently they were detected attempting an infiltration of an Israeli base.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...r-israeli-base

The War Zone is a good read a couple of times a week.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by Sputnik

One might wonder just how much help Israel got from friendly nations in becoming (allegedly) a nuclear power?

It's an open secret that the "friendly power" they got help from was Apartheid South Africa.

Israel was best buds with the most racist government in the world for the two decades of that regime's worst excesses. They only pulled back when the writing was already on the wall for Apartheid.

That's how Israel got their nukes - with South African yellowcake and South African-assisted Indian Ocean tests (Vela was the third such).

[Jaglavak]

Huh, I thought the US slipped a file folder under the door. Couldn't tell you where I got that though.

[stormie]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

I'm posting this link about What It's Like to be a Peace Activist in Israel right now because I can find it.

the idea that you can't criticize your government because that makes you a traitor is all kinds of wrong.

This makes me so sad. I've seen from afar too many too long wars. Honestly I've given up hope for us as a potentially peaceful species. You know the people who are in or grow up with or live in wars are shell-shocked or normalize violence or both.

[Sputnik]

This is becoming tragic. I agree with Stormie to a point. Civilian deaths are tragic, more so when the civilians are trapped in a war zone. Then there’s Israel’s side. The slaughter of over a thousand Israeli civilians by Hamas on Oct 7th leaves no choice but to eliminate Hamas. Hamas choses to hide among the civilians like cowards. What is the answer? Is there even a fair one?

I’ve been watching a YouTube channel called “Daral, an Iranian family.” It’s a small family who is building a home partially in a cave, and partially by adding concrete to areas trying to make a home out of nothing. They do so much with so little, the whole while their government spends money supporting terrorism and despots like Putin. I get the feeling they could care more about caring for their family than politics.

It’s amazing how one man, one leader, one terrorist with followers, can screw up the world.

[Zeener Diode]

And over here we have tent cities that spring up overnight.

But it's not for lack of care: my town provides cleaning stations and porta-potties to the long-term established areas, and frequent trash cleanups to all. Meanwhile the people in their $300k homes and bigger ones in the suburban/rural areas figuratively spit upon them and blame the local politicos for not doing anything (i.e., forcibly removing them to... where? jail? some mythical place beyond visibility?). My point is that it's a problem everywhere.

[JackieLikesVariety]

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