Greek History Mafia D2

[Visorslash]

No one has died.

Same time frame, 5 days, 8th of august 8pm aest gmt+10

[BillMc]

Curious and Curiouser said Plato.

[guiri]

Right, maybe a well-aimed block or protect.

Lightfoot, was Sister Coyote around at EoD? Or are you just commenting on her vote on Pizza, and not Double A, Lulz or Zeener?

Bill, why did you not participate in the actual discussion before EoD?

Pizza, hi!

/oog I am now on vacation (yay!) for two weeks with no regular internet access, I'll ask for a sub if I'm unable to participate but I should be able to check in at least once a day so I suppose I'm V/LA too!

Lulz, I still don't know what RVS means

[SisterCoyote]

Lightfoot wouldn't know if I was around at EOD or not (though I wasn't). And I think she was commenting on that.

I didn't have a strong sense of scum from anyone else, so I hadn't moved my vote. And I only had a mediocre sense of Scum from pizza.

[Scáthach]

Sorry for missing EOD /night - I had Friday off and today is a bank holiday here so I was basically either too drunk or too hungover to participate all weekend

I still see nothing to really convince me that lulz was scum, except maybe all the last minute vote switching around EOD? Doing a proper reread now but I'm on my phone and it's kind of a pain.

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[Scáthach]

Ok nothing has really changed from yesterday after reading d1 again. Still think double A's scummy - if they'd just said "oh I just noticed idrinkthere4iam ' s name" or something it would be fine but they doubled down on it when challenged.

Maha, LightFoot and guiri are all a bit oogy to me because of voting for lulz for the same exact thing he did in the last game when he was town (which they all played in).

I also hate hate hate pizzas push for no lynch. Even if you think both players are town most of the time a no lynch just pushes the same debate a day forward and we end up lynching one of the two the next day anyway. (Interesting though for a mafia variant actually, no one gets lynched til day 5 then everyone votes in order for who they want lynched in one big bloodbath and we see who is left standing at the end )

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[Zeener Diode]

Well it looks like I'm still around for another day.

Some thoughts:

Originally Posted by BillMc

I guess Zeener wasn't in your village.

So it appears. I'm not entirely convinced Pizza is Scum, but I could be wrong. He's fooled me before, both as Town and Scum. I'm almost ready to lynch him just to settle the issue. But for now, I'll give him a pass. Unless someone else presents evidence of his non-Town role.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I said I'd be voting to defend my village. No surprises there.

I'd call your lurking at deadline scummy, but you have that Batman signal avatar so I guess you must be clean.

Pizza was referring to BillMc's 11th-hour appearance, and voting for lulz. I've been in enough games with Bill to know that his late arrivals are normal, and do not indicate his role--- he does this both as Scum and Town. No tell here. That he put lulz ahead of me in the vote makes me think he's Town--- Scum would not lynch one of theirs, with a Townie so close to being mislynched. BillMc: Town

Originally Posted by guiri

You are underestimating the information we gain even from a mislynch.

Double A
Zeener

For pontificating and not acknowledging Double A's Eason for voting sario

I still have misgivings about lulz alignment (I think he's Scum), but I'm not feeling the same about guiri. Voting for a lynch over a no-lynch is always the best route for Town. It gives us knowledge about other players. Day 1 lynches usually are mislynches, but can be overcome by the Endgame. No read on guiri, but leaning Town.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I hate to say this because it goes against a lot of what I stand for in this kind of game, but...

I think we should deliberately no lynch today.

Bad form, old chap. Can you help me understand why?

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'd like Scathach votes if anyone wants to assist. But hey, I'm not going to complain if I have to help someone else instead.

Her posts thus far haven't been very helpful, but this seems to be the case with her. I can't find anything overtly Scummy, but if you're hell-bent on lynching I suppose you have good reasons. I'm not opposed to a Scathach lynch, but you know you'll hang if she flips Town.

More thoughts later.

[Scáthach]

Wait why are you around another day? You seemed pretty dead from the n1 first post?

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[Sario]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

Well it looks like I'm still around for another day.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you're dead.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

The assembly rounded up Ajax, hero of Greece and exiled him. Ajax, refusing to live under the shame, fell on his sword.

Zeener Diode was Ajax - 1 Shot BP Town.

[Zeener Diode]

Geez, what a mess of votes! I don't envy VisorMod's job, sorting this out.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot Lulz (5): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141), BillMc (235) Zeener (4): Meeko (63), idrinkthere4iam (205), guiri (236), Askthepizzaguy (238) Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)[236] Zeener Deener (1): Double A (209) Askthepizzaguy (1): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34)[235], SisterCoyote (99) Diode (1): lulz (180) Sooh (0): Zeener Diode (53)[141] Billmc (0): Askthepizzaguy (35)[71], Askthepizzaguy (76)[94] Meeko (0): Askthepizzaguy (74)[75] Idrinkthere4iam (0): Double A (32)[209] Lightfoot (0): Dizzymrslizzy (21)[133], lulz (124)[180] Scathach (0): Askthepizzaguy (75)[76], Askthepizzaguy (94)[238] Zeener Diode (0): lulz (36)[105] Mahaloth (0): guiri (4)[14] Sister Coyote (0): Zeener Diode (39)[52] Guiri (0): Askthepizzaguy (71)[72] Dizzymrslizzy (0): Askthepizzaguy (73)[74] Archangel (0): Askthepizzaguy (72)[73] Sario (0): guiri (14)[41], lulz (105)[124]

I've cleaned it up for the rest of you yahoos.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Zeener Diode (6): lulz (36)[105], Meeko (63), lulz (180), idrinkthere4iam (205), Double A (209), guiri (236), Askthepizzaguy (238)

Lulz (5): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141), BillMc (235)
Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)[236]
Askthepizzaguy (1): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34)[235], SisterCoyote (99)

Not Voting

Sario
Sooh

Of all those who voted for me, the one who seems Scummiest: Double A.



FOS: lulz (for obvious--- to me--- reasons), and Meeko (for placing an ostensibly naked/joke vote and not returning to either remove it or explain why it remained).

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Wait why are you around another day? You seemed pretty dead from the n1 first post?

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"I got better."

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Wait why are you around another day? You seemed pretty dead from the n1 first post?

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Originally Posted by Sario

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you're dead.

I'm a Town BP (Bulletproof). I have one life left to live.

[Scáthach]

But why did we get a reveal then? Sorry, you're probably right, I just assumed that a reveal meant you were dead.

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[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

I'm a Town BP (Bulletproof). I have one life left to live.

well at least I wasn't the only one confused.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Another message.

I guess he won't be zeen er heard from again!

Another cryptic message. I'm inclined to disregard any further messages.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

But why did we get a reveal then? Sorry, you're probably right, I just assumed that a reveal meant you were dead.

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Good question.

Was there a reason why you revealed my alignment?

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

Good question.

Was there a reason why you revealed my alignment?

For clarity sake since you're around - did you get a mod communication to let you know you're alive or are you assuming due to being bulletproof? To me the classic bulletproof only prevents being killed at night - unlike scotsman.

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[idrinkthere4iam]

From day one.

Originally Posted by Double A

vote parking is pretty gross

unvote: Idrinkthere4iam
vote: Zeener Deener

Role claims mean bugger all when everyone probably has a cover role (unless that's not normal here but it's pretty ubiquitous for me) and also you don't tell us your ability but whatever.

You essential vote parked on me Day 1. Also, til our reaction to lulz' post looks like role fishing to me. Basically asking him to provide more about his role PM.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Sooh

At this point I don't feel like I have a strong enough opinion on anyone to warrant a vote. I was hoping someone would come in and make a convincing case, but I haven't seen anything. Not sure I want to vote anywhere today.

It's always in the best interest of Town to vote. Especially on D1.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

For clarity sake since you're around - did you get a mod communication to let you know you're alive or are you assuming due to being bulletproof? To me the classic bulletproof only prevents being killed at night - unlike scotsman.

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My role PM stated I could survive one hit.

[Mahaloth]

Wow, I've never seen a reveal and have the person around. Zeener, would it be bad at this point to show us your PM? How odd this game is if Zeener lived.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Double A

Cause the edit was funnier.

Editing is bad form in mafia. I've been in other games where players have lynched someone for simply editing their post.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Wow, I've never seen a reveal and have the person around. Zeener, would it be bad at this point to show us your PM? How odd this game is if Zeener lived.

I'll ask.

Can I reveal my PM?

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by lulz

<snip>

zeener's scum you guys. Since I don't know when the deadline is I'll just claim now that I'm Archimedes, the great scientist.

This role reveals nothing about your alignment. Are you a JOAT? Yes, I am asking, not role-fishing, since you've already "claimed."

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

The assembly rounded up Ajax, hero of Greece and exiled him. Ajax, refusing to live under the shame, fell on his sword.

Zeener Diode was Ajax - 1 Shot BP Town.

Bolding mine. For those who have forgotten. Unless the MOD is lying to us.

because Town would have no reason to muddy the waters.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bulletproof generally means you survive a night attack, not a lynch.

*shrug*



Without any further discussion, delay, dilly-dally, or ado, you're due to die.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Bulletproof generally means you survive a night attack, not a lynch.

*shrug*



Without any further discussion, delay, dilly-dally, or ado, you're due to die.

Ok I'm going to need a little further explanation. I feel my vote on double a was justified and I stand over it still - apart from that, what exactly is your issue?

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[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Ok I'm going to need a little further explanation. I feel my vote on double a was justified and I stand over it still - apart from that, what exactly is your issue?

Mostly the part where you're a big ole ball of scum and have been ever since receiving your role PM.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Mostly the part where you're a big ole ball of scum and have been ever since receiving your role PM.

That's a terrible reason and you know it. If you focus on me as scum then of course everything I say will come across scummy. Honestly sometimes I understand how people see me as scum, people always do in every game, but I'm really not following the reasoning right now.

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[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

That's a terrible reason and you know it.

Doesn't mean you're not scum.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Doesn't mean you're not scum.

True, but I expect better

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[Visorslash]

Zeener stop posting please. Maybe I should have worded your role PM a little clearer but you were only immune to one nightkill. Nowhere did I mention lynch in your role PM.

[Archangel]

for staying completely out of things. (I know Sooh didn't vote either but she at least got her ideas down.)

I'm still suspicious of DoubleA for the same reason as yesterday. And I feel like at least one of Pizza, Bill and Guiri is probably scum due to the fact that last minute vote changes almost always benefit scum. Given that Zeener was town I think it's least likely Bill. And Guiri's tone has been pinging me so if I had to vote one of them, it would be him.

I also don't like Meeko posting very little game related stuff (but I know Meeko is Meeko). DizzyMrs.Lizzy's participation level is low and I'm pointing that out because she does do that when scum.

[Archangel]

Because I'm rereading Day 1 and both Idrink and Double A's votes for Zeener bother me. They are where the bandwagon started. DoubleA didn't even try to justify his vote, but Idrinkthere4Iam did. I happen to agree with Pizza that scum tries to look reasonable (though I don't agree with much else he's saying this game) so:

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

[vote]

I also don't like Meeko posting very little game related stuff (but I know Meeko is Meeko). DizzyMrs.Lizzy's participation level is low and I'm pointing that out because she does do that when scum.

No my Day 1 participation is low regardless of team. Read any game I'm in and show me where I'm active on day 1.

Anyway. I agree I've never see. A bulletproof who was immune to a lunch. Glad visor confirmed that.

Lulz is still my number 1 suspect due to the shenanigans at day end. And if he's scum pizza and Guiri should probably go down too.
I'd rather

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

Right, maybe a well-aimed block or protect.

Lightfoot, was Sister Coyote around at EoD? Or are you just commenting on her vote on Pizza, and not Double A, Lulz or Zeener?

~snip~
Lulz, I still don't know what RVS means

I don't know if they were or weren't- I was referring to the tie- EOD as you surmised

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Ok nothing has really changed from yesterday after reading d1 again. Still think double A's scummy - if they'd just said "oh I just noticed idrinkthere4iam ' s name" or something it would be fine but they doubled down on it when challenged.

Maha, LightFoot and guiri are all a bit oogy to me because of voting for lulz for the same exact thing he did in the last game when he was town (which they all played in).

I also hate hate hate pizzas push for no lynch. Even if you think both players are town most of the time a no lynch just pushes the same debate a day forward and we end up lynching one of the two the next day anyway. (Interesting though for a mafia variant actually, no one gets lynched til day 5 then everyone votes in order for who they want lynched in one big bloodbath and we see who is left standing at the end )

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"oogy"? I myself seldom remember what a player did a previous game- What they did didn't sit right with me and later in the game I did not see anything that made me change my mind about lulz. So my vote stayed.

I have never been a fan of a no lynch ( in a standard game)

[LightFoot]

I am still having trouble with lulz I think they will have to be lynched to resolve it.

the way the almost tie went down ( like I said in the Night thread) makes me feel it is needed.

lulz as sure that zeener was Scum- determined even- No Townie KNOWS what another players alliance is On Day One ( unless they are a mason and know their mates)

Pizza is not innocent in this sort of ploy either- He gets 1/2 a point for being correct occasionally - but we should check his neck size as well- This witch hunt against Scathach which started Day one does not sit well with me either.

Double A with your Day one you don't look any better

Sario I look forward to seeing more from you to get some sort of read.

Not voting is not productive ( if you are Town- of course you don't Know who is Scum- )but you make your best analysis and go with it.

I don't see where lulz has posted toDay- After yesterDay's close call I would expect they have things to say

I will be open to other options from my suspect list ( since I assume they cannot be the only Scum )

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Lulz is still my number 1 suspect due to the shenanigans at day end. And if he's scum pizza and Guiri should probably go down too.
I'd rather

Why pizza and guiri if it isn't lulz? I guess I'm forgetful. Have they been buddies?

I don't suspect pizza at all. He's hard to read. Guiri has me leaning town for the most part. Lulz? Well, he is an odd one. He swore up and down I was scum last game, just like he did about zeener.

I'm still kind of seeing lulz as scum. I know he acted like a jerk last time. I know pizza(who I think is town) thinks that doesn't matter. But, still, his tone just makes me suspect him. I don't have a huge suspect aside from him, but I am open to another case if something strong comes along.

vote lulz

[Meeko]

The real question, is why Seemed as target for a bandwagon. What motivation is there, there?

If we can't consicsely answer that, then all of the case building thus far is a house of cards.



I remain amazed at how fast forward this game is, in a game that is basically still day 1.


Also, I wonder if those pointing a finger at the Zeener bandwagon, don't need to be looked at, as well. It pings. The entire speed pace tempo, all of those words, ping.

[Meeko]

NETA : Why Zeener is bandwagon. .... As my main opening question.

[Visorslash]

Another message:

BillMc has a fraction of it right. "Fun to play with, not to eat." said Play-Doh.

[Meeko]

You can't solve anything on day one. Town would never have the motivation to post a synopsis of each players participation on day one, and compare it to some imaginary yard stick. It is something scum would do, and jf looks more and more like the setup for the scum master plan to come after.

Being "new" is just cover.

[Meeko]

Ugh.

[lulz]

vote: lightfoot

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Because I'm rereading Day 1 and both Idrink and Double A's votes for Zeener bother me. They are where the bandwagon started. DoubleA didn't even try to justify his vote, but Idrinkthere4Iam did. I happen to agree with Pizza that scum tries to look reasonable (though I don't agree with much else he's saying this game) so:

Fair enough. Wrong. But fair.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Another message:

BillMc has a fraction of it right. "Fun to play with, not to eat." said Play-Doh.

Hemlock.

Plato.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

[COLOR="Blue"]vote: lightfoot[COLOR]

I expected that- but can you share why?

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Ok nothing has really changed from yesterday after reading d1 again. Still think double A's scummy - if they'd just said "oh I just noticed idrinkthere4iam ' s name" or something it would be fine but they doubled down on it when challenged.

I did what with a cheeseburger?

To be totally honest, I treat every vote I make on day 1 as a joke unless something to make me change my mind comes up. The five days per day phase thing was a hell of a lot longer than I'm used to, and I think it was a lot more productive than the average D1 I've mostly experienced in the past. When the case on Zeener was made, I dropped my ridiculous vote and put it on someone I thought was scum.

I also hate hate hate pizzas push for no lynch. Even if you think both players are town most of the time a no lynch just pushes the same debate a day forward and we end up lynching one of the two the next day anyway. (Interesting though for a mafia variant actually, no one gets lynched til day 5 then everyone votes in order for who they want lynched in one big bloodbath and we see who is left standing at the end )

I think he's said in the past that no lynch always hurts the town, and I'm still not seeing a decent reason to vote for you from him.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

From day one.

True, but it was a joke vote. So I guess I'm only, like, half a hypocrite.

Also, til our reaction to lulz' post looks like role fishing to me. Basically asking him to provide more about his role PM.

Nah, I was just trying to tell him that giving out his name meant bugger all. Why was he providing that information? What possible use could I have for knowing he's Archimedes? And then I said whatever because it didn't actually matter that much.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I expected that- but can you share why?

I would not hold your breath.