151: We are the Durp. We are the Gweebers. We are the ones who make a shitty day, so let's start Snarking.

[Someone]

And….go

[Someone]

FPBP

We don't use that word anymore, sorry.

[Someone]

For the earworm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw&t=188

[Someone]

To snark things off, can someone tell me if there's anything good in this OP?

Protesting a warning by Steophan.

Because the subject post itself seems like a pretty clear personal attack:

No, you just don’t have a system of morality, you have a bunch of unexamined responses to things you find unpleasant. You are why we need laws, and why it’s so vital to apply them correctly despite the fact that it gives you a sad.

You can’t legitimately call someone who’s been found not guilty in a fair trial a murderer, and as yet no one has been able to show what was unfair with the Zimmerman or Rittenhouse trials. There’s no relevant evidence that was suppressed, there were high quality lawyers on each side, and the judges made no legal errors. The verdicts were fair, and should be respected. Even if that clashes with your childish desire for vengeance against people who did nothing but protect themselves.

...so I'm really not sure what the protest is about. And of course I cannot read that OP for... reasons. Is it some variantion of "I wasn't attacking the poster, I was attacking the poster's imputed desires!"?

But this reply by Steophan is precious:

I’ll have mine [popcorn] salted with liberal tears, please

Of course you will. Of course you will. And good idea bringing political jabs into ATMB to protest your warning! No doubt that'll go over real well.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

...so I'm really not sure what the protest is about. And of course I cannot read that OP for... reasons. Is it some variantion of "I wasn't attacking the poster, I was attacking the poster's imputed desires!"?

Why don't you just put the thread on ignore and not worry about it? I mean, you want people to read the OP for you because you don't want to un-ignore someone for 5 minutes?

[Someone]

Hey!

[Someone]

Just for fun, my favorite post from our friend Steophan:

https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in...7?u=iiandyiiii

Originally Posted by Someone

Also, apart from being tiny, my dick is fine.

[Someone]

Where is he from anyway? He mentions not being American more than your average non-American who enjoys commenting on American politics.

[Someone]

UK, I think.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Just for fun, my favorite post from our friend Steophan:

https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in...7?u=iiandyiiii

And Mr. Dibble gets a little homophobic in that thread. (responding to the tiny tool reference)

MrDibble November 18, 2019, 4:29pm #48


I bet you say that to all the lads, crazy boi.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

UK, I think.

He's a whiny, limey, useless prick. Like we don't have enough American trash, we need more? No thanks.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

And Mr. Dibble gets a little homophobic in that thread. (responding to the tiny tool reference)

Eh. Dibble is not only South African Coloured (as it used to be termed; they may use different designations nowadays) but a gay rape survivor and therefore above criticism, IIRC.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Eh. Dibble is not only South African Coloured (as it used to be termed; they may use different designations nowadays) but a gay rape survivor and therefore above criticism, IIRC.

I'm not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek (which itself would be in poor taste) but no, being a gay rape survivor doesn't give a free pass to say shitty things about a subset of society.

[Someone]

Meh, Dibble doesn't care about that stuff when he's trying to score a point in a fight. The real thing he should be embarrassed about is using a self deprecating remark to try to score a point. "I have a small dick" "Yeah you do! Haha!". I'll give iiandyii a pass because he doesn't really get it.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I'm not sure if this was tongue-in-cheek (which itself would be in poor taste) but no, being a gay rape survivor doesn't give a free pass to say shitty things about a subset of society.

Were you formerly known by another name? I thought I knew most of my fellow March-2009ers. Anyway, if you've known me for that long you should know that poor taste is my stock-in-trade. Except for the sloe gin I've just made. That tastes amazing.

[Someone]

Though coincidentally I believe Dibble said something similar about monstro and ywtf. Something about what with them being lefty black American women they thought they got a pass on trans issues.

Eta: weedy crocker=detroit hoser

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Meh, Dibble doesn't care about that stuff when he's trying to score a point in a fight. The real thing he should be embarrassed about is using a self deprecating remark to try to score a point. "I have a small dick" "Yeah you do! Haha!". I'll give iiandyii a pass because he doesn't really get it.

What's to get?

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

What's to get?

The dick.

I think.

Apparently that's meant to concern you for some reason. /struggling to keep up here.

[Someone]

Lol, exactly. Amusing how I'm the one often accused of not understanding human interaction.

Maybe we can tease this out: why did you think it was a good/useful/whatever adjective thing to repost his tiny dick post?

Eta: forget it, I'll just explain. You are highlighting him not taking himself seriously. And you look like a child bragging after someone let's them win a game.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Lol, exactly. Amusing how I'm the one often accused of not understanding human interaction.

Maybe we can tease this out: why did you think it was a good/useful/whatever adjective thing to repost his tiny dick post?

Because it made me laugh, so I'm presuming maybe it would make others laugh.

What do you think I'm missing here?

[Someone]

See my edit. The laughs you may get are pathetic fraudulent type. Laughing simply because you dislike the target, not actually humor.

And I'm not defending the guy. You well demonstrated that he is a naked hypocrite, regardless of the size of his manhood.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

See my edit. The laughs you may get are pathetic fraudulent type. Laughing simply because you dislike the target, not actually humor.

It's a funny post, regardless of how it was meant. Maybe it was meant as a self-deprecating joke, maybe it was meant as part of a humiliation fetish, maybe his roommate snuck in while he was away from his computer and posted it as a prank. Or maybe something else. But either way, funny.

[Someone]

See, I don't understand how you manage in the world if you think it was only "maybe" a self deprecating joke. Whatever.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

See, I don't understand how you manage in the world if you think it was only "maybe" a self deprecating joke. Whatever.

Does he have a history of self-deprecating jokes? If so, I must have missed it. Or perhaps I just lack the ability to sense tone through a computer screen, absent other indicators (like a history of this type of joke, or some explanation afterwards, etc.). Or maybe he just has a cheeky roommate.

But it's funny either way.

[Someone]

I think that's enough of the andy carnal show for today. Always leave them wanting more.

[Someone]

It's a bit late for that.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I think that's enough of the andy carnal show for today. Always leave them wanting more.

You started it!

[Someone]

Think of how small the average penis is and realize half of them are smaller than that. In fact, it's my understanding that some people have no penis at all.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Think of how small the average penis is and realize half of them are smaller than that. In fact, it's my understanding that some people have no penis at all.

Indeed. How profound.

[Someone]

Apparently Broomstick believes a person who commits suicide is always - without exception - acting out of selfishness. (Van lifer goes missing on cross country trip with fiancée thread.) And God help you if you disagree with her.

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The whole back and forth with her and ASL is ridiculous. But her type of attitude always bugs me. Who gives a fuck if it's selfish? The point of my existence isn't keeping everyone besides myself happy.

[Someone]

What I don't get is that self care is considered to be just fine and dandy--end a relationship because it's toxic for you, quit a job that's become toxic for you, refuse to do emotional labor because it's become toxic for you and all those things are okay even though they might and usually do negatively affect others around you but the line gets drawn at suicide when life has become toxic for you? I think suicide has gotten a bad rap and ought to be rebranded as Radical Self Care. Take THAT, life worshippers!

[Someone]

Disagree with BS and watch for her to play the victim card. Did she?

[Someone]

Who the fuck knows with all the derpy going on.

[Someone]

Dibble doesn't joke. He has no sense of humor at all. If there's a 'mean-spirited' interpretation of anything he says, that's what he meant.

[Someone]

I am not understanding the terms of this debate (Dibble, not suicide).

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Who the fuck knows with all the derpy going on.

It's the world's durpiest human centipede

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Disagree with BS and watch for her to play the victim card. Did she?

Well, she did accuse me of junior modding for suggesting that maybe she consider her audience—specifically, that it might include someone who is or might some day find themselves grappling with suicidal thoughts (which she seems to think is just the most absurd, fringe possibility imaginable)—and maybe strike a more compassionate tone.

Originally Posted by Someone

What YOU are doing it telling me to STFU and NEVER express my opinion in public on the off chance that maybe at some point someone who is feeling suicidal might read it. Real class act, that. Junior modding on top of it. How dare I say what’s on my mind, right?

I don’t want them to read YOUR words that you think so little of them that it’s alright with you if they just kill themselves. But you don’t see me telling you to shut up. Have you no care for the lives of your fellow human beings?

I do.

I think that last bit is particularly… ironic, because the preceding portion of her response, which I did not quote here, is her getting defensive and insisting that she didn’t make a blanket pronouncement that people resorting to suicide are selfish, but allowed for "exceptions."

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Oh, come on. You know it will be a frosty day in hell before you see anything like compassion or fairness out of Broomie.

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If I may be serious for a bit, the death of anybody we care for is a reminder to tell people how we feel about them.

Fenris- I've enjoyed your posts- the comedy (the one trick pony chowder and marching society springs to mind), the knowledge and the wisdom. I just wanted to say thank you and let you know that I look up to you.

[Someone]

Wait, Fenris is dead?!?!

[Someone]

No, Colibri is dead. Fenris is still alive (as far as I know) and I wanted to tell him that he is appreciated. I'm sorry for any confusion or distress I may have caused.

[Someone]

Oh, well in that case, where the fuck is he?

[Someone]

Broomstick/BigT

Originally Posted by Someone Telling me my feelings are wrong is also extremely hurtful. Why are my feelings valued less than someone else's? They explained that was their *belief*. Please provide proof that that is a fact before telling me I can no longer express MY belief. Yes, they are. Um... no, it hasn't. One of the problems of suicidal people is that they don't seem to think they are worthy of anything. If you tell them they're not selfish that won't stop them from trying to kill themselves because they still (apparently) don't think themselves worthy of life. Or of being helped. I did not intend to hurt anyone by speaking my truth. No one seems to care about the pain it causes me to be told my feelings are wrong, or the pain it causes me when people insist I change my feelings to match those that they approve of. I am not going to lie to you and offer you an apology for something for which I am not sorry. Please provide your educational professional credentials for "diagnosing" my mental state. I am not "lashing out". I am expressing my sincerely held belief that the vast majority of people either attempting or succeeding at suicide are committing a hurtful act that will harm not only themselves but others. Again - what are your educational and professional credentials to make such a statement? Are you yourself a psychologist? Psychiatrist? My, my, my - you are quite the mindreader. If a person's selfishness harms no one else I do not view it as unethical and I frankly do not care. If it does harm someone else I do care and I do see it as unethical. Frankly, I've been called far worse than "selfish" in my life. It's a pretty minor insult as these things go, really. I don't feel compelled to change my thoughts to conform to those of the majority - if what you believe even IS in the majority, which as far as I'm concerned is not proven. Stating my belief HERE is not attacking anyone. If someone randomly encounters my posts I am not responsible if they then decide to harm themselves as a result of words that were not directed at them that they randomly encountered. It is as if a person for some reason finds the color red traumatizing and scary. One day I go outside wearing a bright red scarf. The person then randomly encounters me on the street and has a flashback to whatever trauma caused their issue with the color red. How am I then responsible for that? I had no notion that I would encounter this person, or how it would affect them. Had I known, I would have worn a different color. But you're saying that because I might randomly encounter such a person I must NEVER wear the color red ever again. When I state my viewpoint you continually try to shut me down - you tell me I'm wrong, that I need to "admit" my "error", that I must change my personal thoughts and feelings to accommodate YOUR viewpoint, that I must NEVER speak my true feelings or my mind because I just might, maybe, possibly have my words encountered by someone vulnerable. You are attempting to coerce my thinking, to forcibly change my own interior thoughts, and I find that absolutely abhorrent and unethical. Coercing another to change their beliefs is a deep violation of my ethics, and you are repeatedly subjecting me to this. I am not telling anyone else to agree with me. If you don't think suicide is a selfish act I think you're wrong but I'm not telling you to change your beliefs, your thoughts, or demanding you apologize to me. But YOU, @BigT, **are** doing that to me. How is that right or ethical in your view?

https://boards.straightdope.com/t/va...e/950604/1368?

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

UK, I think.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Someone

And Mr. Dibble gets a little homophobic in that thread. (responding to the tiny tool reference)

I'm openly queer (I used to identify as bi, but I've met too many non-bianry people recently to feel comfortable with that label), so he gets a pass for that one. He's said far worse homophobic shit to me though, he's still a cunt.

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Re: the Broomstick vs BigT hiss fight


Fuck that old sack of Imitation Christ Complex for making me see BigT as utterly reasonable and entirely right. Fuck her right in the stigmata.

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Also, yes, obvious self deprecating joke. And something of a dig at those who think I'm some sort of uber macho acting cishet christian type, like Doucheboarder Bo in the pit thread.

[Someone]

My self control is weakening...I don't want to wade into drama with broomstick but dagnabbit! I don't need drama, I don't want drama. ARGH! I might just drop a post and leave and not come back. Just say what I gotta say and that's it.

ETA: I hit submit. I doubt it will do any good against her but I did take a stand and say what I thought. Why do I get the feeling this will bring me more drama though. I shoulda just stayed gone! Famous last words!

[Someone]

I’m right there with you (on not wanting to wade into the drama, but not being able to resist). I knew it was a bit of a sidetrack, but I couldn’t stand to let that "people who take their own life are selfish" line of argument stand unchallenged. Call it a derpfight if y'all want, but I hold sincerely to the belief that such attitudes are harmful and should be challenged when expressed openly.

[Someone]

Telling her that expressing her opinion is risking extra suicides is actually completely fucked up, my friend. You are in no position to be saying shit like that with any confidence.

But hey, I'm just some guy on your ignore list.