Chicago Mafia Day 2: Guns and Gin

[Vanta Black]

Chicago Mafia Day 2: Gin and Guns
As morning light filters through the city, the denizens struggle to wake up. Some have hangovers, which is to be expected, particularly with the stuff some of them were drinking last night. Some have sore feet from dancing all night. Some just want to pull the covers over their heads and go back to bed. But despite the prevalence of guns, and shots heard in the night, most of them do wake up.

But one did not.

He’d been anxious and edgy lately, thinking of his testimony in an upcoming trial, and worrying about whether to testify truthfully or to lie to get somebody off the hook. Maybe someone didn’t trust him to lie convincingly, maybe someone eliminated the wrong witness, possibly he got caught in the crossfire and it was all a mistake. As one of his patrons said, “Gin and guns--either one is bad enough, but together they get you into a dickens of a mess, don’t they.”

Whatever the reason, Swammerdami, a/k/a William Leathers, headwaiter at the Gingham Club and town-aligned, was whacked during the Night.

Living players:

Archangel
Bashorian Clement
Biotop
Colby11
Dizzymrslizzy
Eristic Widgeon
guiri
LightFoot
Mahaloth
Metallic Squink
Mordenkainen
Pleonast
Prof. Pepperwinkle
raventhief
Silverjan
TexCat

Congratulations to you all for surviving the Night! Play on!

Day 2 will end at noon8pm on Thursday, February 17.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Pfui! Take care, Swammi!

Well, I was gonna work on my case on Swammi. I need to find a new suspect.

[Vanta Black]

For non-participation, Metallic Squink receives one mod-vote. Failure to post toDay will result in a modkill.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Voting History:
post #21: Pleonast voted Silverjan
post #38: Mahaloth voted Silverjan

Early run on Jan. If Jan is town, seems highly unlikely Pleo and Mahaloth are both scum jumping on her. Actually, Pleo is probably town because of the claim, and Mahaloth's quickly jumping on feels unselfconscious and likely townie.

post #68: Swammerdami voted Dante G
post #80: Biotop voted Dante G
post #84: Archangel voted Dante G

Quick run here. We know Swammi was town. With all due [strikethrough]respect for[/strikethrough] terror of the Scum Queen, I doubt either Biotop or Angel are bussing aggressively this early on Day One.

post #93: Tinker voted Prof. Pepperwinkle
post #126: Eristic Widgeon voted Swammerdami
post #163: Prof. Pepperwinkle voted Colby
post #169: Bashorian Clement voted Guiri

OK, so here are three people who aren't jumping on the non-Dante wagon, a good sign.

post #180: Bashorian Clement unvoted All
post #185: Bashorian Clement voted Colby

Uh oh, now Bashorian consolidates a second non-Dante wagon. Mildly sus.

post #192: Eristic Widgeon unvoted Swammerdami
post #192: Eristic Widgeon voted Dante G,

Now Dante is ahead 4-2-2. It's starting to get serious and....

post #219: Archangel unvoted Dante G




post #227: Mahaloth illegally voted Silverjan
post #228: Mahaloth unvoted Silverjan
post #228: Mahaloth voted Dante G

Hard to see scum jumping up here to prop up the Dante wagon right after Angel got off it.

post #240: Tinker unvoted Prof. Pepperwinkle

(he actually voted Colby, making it highly unlikely that those two are aligned)

post #242: Silverjan voted Colby

Now 4-3...

post #246: guiri voted Dante

guiri dunks on scum!


post #263: Dante G voted Colby11
post #283: Archangel voted Professor Pepperwinkle
post #287: Prof. Pepperwinkle unvoted Colby
post #287: Prof. Pepperwinkle voted Swammerdami
post #288: LightFoot voted Prof. Pepperwinkle
post #293: Archangel unvoted All
post #293: Archangel voted Prof. Pepperwinkle
post #299: Dizzymrslizzy voted Swammerdami
post #301: Mordenkainen voted Swammerdami


Then there are last minute runs on Prof and Swammi which don't look great in retrospect, especially the one on Swammi (and yes, I know I was the one who first made the case...sorry, Swammi )

thus:

Archangel -- bad voting record, but not otherwise suspicious
Bashorian Clement -- lurky, bad voting record, but won't vote for now due to claim.
Biotop -- looks good based on voting record
Colby11 -- not sure. I don't think the death ray power makes him likelier than not to be town.
Dizzymrslizzy -- not sure
Eristic Widgeon -- towniest town in the whole damn town
guiri -- either non-scum or a VERY aggressive busser
LightFoot -- null
Mahaloth -- town read based on voting record and tone
Metallic Squink -- show up, dammit!
Mordenkainen -- you too. And vote for scum.
Pleonast -- likely-ish town based on claim
Prof. Pepperwinkle -- null
raventhief -- lurky
Silverjan -- bad voting record, otherwise null
TexCat -- lurky

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

I was going to vote for Swammi because I was guessing that someone in the Dante voters might well be Scum and bussing on Dante.

That does happen a bit more often than you might think, as a quick check of the last half a dozen games would show.

Therefore, IF (and it's just an if) that's the case, then the suspects are Biotop, Angel, Eristic and Mahaloth.

Eristic, above, does manage to pretty much clear Mahaloth, since his vote on Dante came last and was needed.

BUT Eristic's vote came in before Angel unvoted, and, therefore, looks to me to be the most suspicious of the lot.

[guiri]

With 15 players in the game you want to focus on the 5 who eliminated a scum D1?

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

16 players in the game, and it seems to be a smaller pool is a good place to start.

[guiri]

Maybe you missed my question D1, I’ll repost it here to save you having to click on the link…

Originally Posted by guiri

Can you indicate which post you’re referring to?

Was it this one?

Or the one he posted later when he returned?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

16 players in the game, and it seems to be a smaller pool is a good place to start.

Run that by me again… the 5, well now 4, players who voted to eliminate a scum D1 is somehow more likely to contain one or more additional scumbags than the pool or players who avoided that scum wagon or those who simply did not vote, or those who did not contribute?

[guiri]

There must be a scumbag among the players with a P in their name. Hmm, let me see…

BiotoP
Pleonast
Prof. Pepperwinkle

Oh, that’s handy. A small pool of 3. Well I think Pleo is likely town because of his claim. Oh and Bio was first on the known scum. So it must be Prof. p.



Is that how we play mafia now? Cool.

[guiri]

Bio was second, but my point remains.

[Bashorian Clement]

guiri's tonw

[Colby11]

Either he dies early or is scum…. I’m shooting there atm. (Yes I know it’s meta but meh).
I also think Prof. isnt town, so that would be my other vote (or where I would swap said vote.). His smudges without voting make it very suspect…

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by TexCat

It seems likely that there are forces other than scum that are against us. Is there a reason why you are not revealing your wincon? The town wincon is known, isn't it?

oDD thing for Town to say


Not the only place I want to vote- for much the same reason but I shall start there

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

guiri's tonw

elaborate?

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

oDD thing for Town to say


Not the only place I want to vote- for much the same reason but I shall start there

I'd still like Pleo to answer this. It still seems strange to me that Pleo doesn't want to reveal his wincon. It makes me think that Pleo might not be town, since town's wincon is already known.

Lightfoot, I'm not sure why you think that's an odd thing for town to point out.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Colby11

Either he dies early or is scum…. I’m shooting there atm. (Yes I know it’s meta but meh).
I also think Prof. isnt town, so that would be my other vote (or where I would swap said vote.). His smudges without voting make it very suspect…

Smudges without voting?

I voted Silverjan as soon as said she was suspicious.

I later suspected Dante more and moved my vote there.

Can you list my other smudges so I know? I said that me being persuaded by Archangel made me suspect her as scum, but since I followed that persuasion and it was right....I definitely have Angel in the "town" column.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'd still like Pleo to answer this. It still seems strange to me that Pleo doesn't want to reveal his wincon. It makes me think that Pleo might not be town, since town's wincon is already known.

Lightfoot, I'm not sure why you think that's an odd thing for town to point out.

The question at the end was the trigger.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

So I’m not liking these reveals, how do we know what we lost here?

What is a headwaiter?!? Can we try and speculate what he was?

[Mahaloth]

I see no reason to not replace that vote. I still agree with Pleonast that it was scum-like thinking back on D1. I did move to Dante, but never felt Silver was by any means cleared.

I am also not entirely against dumping Metallic Squink. Was it my game that just ended or the previous one that yeet-the-lurker actually produced a scum result?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Smudges without voting?

I voted Silverjan as soon as said she was suspicious.

I later suspected Dante more and moved my vote there.

Can you list my other smudges so I know? I said that me being persuaded by Archangel made me suspect her as scum, but since I followed that persuasion and it was right....I definitely have Angel in the "town" column.

Who did I say I was suspicious of? This is getting out of hand now. I did not say I was suspicious of anybody at the time you voted. The comment I made was I found it odd that there were two claims right at the start of the Day, I didn't say I suspected either person that claimed. It was a comment. I have never seen a game start with two claims right out of the gate.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So I’m not liking these reveals, how do we know what we lost here?

What is a headwaiter?!? Can we try and speculate what he was?

Do you think it might just be colour?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

oDD thing for Town to say


Not the only place I want to vote- for much the same reason but I shall start there

A rhetorical question perhaps or accusing "can't remember who" of not knowing the Town wincon.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

A rhetorical question perhaps or accusing "can't remember who" of not knowing the Town wincon.

It was Pleo

[Biotop]

Sorry to see you go Swami. However, as the sole dead Town your vote counts as much as anyone's toDay. Indeed your vote counts even more because it is also the tie breaker.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

guiri's tonw

You didn’t clarify either? Does it bother you that I questioned your vote?

Originally Posted by guiri

Same question here. Since when is saying I’ll be back and then coming back scummy? What am I missing?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

guiri's tonw

Ahem. 🤦*♂️

Guiri’s tone? Or Guiri’s town?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

oDD thing for Town to say


Not the only place I want to vote- for much the same reason but I shall start there

It is odd.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by guiri

It is odd.

I didn't think that was odd, I thought it was a bit like saying "the sky is blue, isn't it?" as if Texcat was asking Pleo why he wouldn't reveal his wincon. If she was scum, why would she point out that she didn't know the Town wincon?

[guiri]

Did the moderator just add the sample vanilla role PM to the rules? I could have sworn it was not there at the time of Pleo’s post and subsequent conversation.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

A rhetorical question perhaps or accusing "can't remember who" of not knowing the Town wincon.

The "It seems likely that" there are other forces. I pointed this out N1.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by guiri

You didn’t clarify either? Does it bother you that I questioned your vote?

Even though he did come back, that doesn't change the scumminess of the first post.

[guiri]

Bashorian, was your typo Town or Tone? Large difference

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

I didn't think that was odd, I thought it was a bit like saying "the sky is blue, isn't it?" as if Texcat was asking Pleo why he wouldn't reveal his wincon. If she was scum, why would she point out that she didn't know the Town wincon?

I was asking Pleo why he wouldn't reveal his wincon. It not as if I was asking. I was asking. I still want to know. I don't understand the problem. I know the town wincon. But did Pleo?

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by guiri

Did the moderator just add the sample vanilla role PM to the rules? I could have sworn it was not there at the time of Pleo’s post and subsequent conversation.

Yes, I think he did. It was always buried in signup thread, but I think he added it to the rules.

[TexCat]

I want an explanation.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So I’m not liking these reveals, how do we know what we lost here?

What is a headwaiter?!? Can we try and speculate what he was?

I thought he was vanilla and that headwaiter was just color.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Yes, I think he did. It was always buried in signup thread, but I think he added it to the rules.

Ah, well I did not see it there, and I did not see it in the rules until toDay, so personally I had no issue with Pleo’s caution about sharing his wincon or Swammi’s (joke) attempted handshake, and this Texcat’s question seemed odd to me. Not any more.

We still don’t know whether Tinker was a threat to town or not, and therefore whether we’re a step closer to the wincon or not…

[Biotop]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I thought he was vanilla and that headwaiter was just color.

I asked the mod about the reveals and power (or not) of the revealed and was simply told to refer to rule #6.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by guiri

Ahem. 🤦*♂️

Guiri’s tone? Or Guiri’s town?

town

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I thought he was vanilla and that headwaiter was just color.

I guess? If he referred us back to Rule #6, that....should be the case? I tend to say "Blah Blah Color" and then I pause and say: Vanilla Town

Just so people know for sure.

Originally Posted by TexCat

Yes, I think he did. It was always buried in signup thread, but I think he added it to the rules.

Agreed as I remember it.

[Archangel]

I would totally bus Dante D1 if I were scum, that's my patented move. I'm not sure others would though because Pizza has harped on it being bad scum play. So I'm with Guiri that maybe we want to focus off the Dante wagon first.

I'm confused by the people that think Colby isn't close to clear from all of this.

1. He shot Tinker and she flipped third party. It's possible he's third party and he didn't know she was his teammate, as someone (TexCat?) mentioned yesterday, but if so he probably has some sort of idea that he has teammates he needs to find and I feel like it would have occurred to him that Tinker was a possibility.

2. He could be scum trying to use his power (this is the reason the people saying he's not clear cited), but Dante voted on him for self-preservation. That doesn't make sense unless Dante was a more powerful scum power, and I feel like if Dante were a more powerful scum power we would have had more shenanigans. I'm the only person who moved off of Dante so I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who can be legitimately accused of trying to save him.

I guess I need to go see who it is that still thinks Colby is scum and vote them.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Hokay, I've gone back over the last 6 games for D1 to see if I'm right or just plain wrong.

Going backwarrds:

Yeetmas: D1 yeeted Archangel (Scum), but no co-Scum voted her, but she only had 2 co-Scum since there were two Scum teams.

Build Your Own Mafia: D1 yeeted Colby (Scum), and was voted by 2 co-Scum, guiri and Swammi. This must be the game that made me think going after bussing Scum was a good idea.

Starship Trooper: D1 yeeted Dante (3P).

Hall of Heroes 6: D1 yeeted Dr. French (Town).

Return of the Clowns: D1 yeeted bladescape (Town).

Ragnarok: D1 yeeted Fruitbat (Town).

So, I'm basically wrong in my premise. It could happen; it does happen, and the last time it happened guiri was one of the bussers. Town does yeet correctly on D1 a lot more than we used to though, this makes 4 in a row.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

town

Well it's true, and coming from a claimed mason, also intriguing.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I would totally bus Dante D1 if I were scum, that's my patented move. I'm not sure others would though because Pizza has harped on it being bad scum play. So I'm with Guiri that maybe we want to focus off the Dante wagon first.

I'm confused by the people that think Colby isn't close to clear from all of this.

1. He shot Tinker and she flipped third party. It's possible he's third party and he didn't know she was his teammate, as someone (TexCat?) mentioned yesterday, but if so he probably has some sort of idea that he has teammates he needs to find and I feel like it would have occurred to him that Tinker was a possibility.

2. He could be scum trying to use his power (this is the reason the people saying he's not clear cited), but Dante voted on him for self-preservation. That doesn't make sense unless Dante was a more powerful scum power, and I feel like if Dante were a more powerful scum power we would have had more shenanigans. I'm the only person who moved off of Dante so I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who can be legitimately accused of trying to save him.

I guess I need to go see who it is that still thinks Colby is scum and vote them.

What if there are more than 3 parties? Rare, yes, but the reluctance to clear up whether Tinker was part of a group adverse to Town's wincon suggests that there may be a survivor (I can't remember what Tinker flipped exactly) who can win with Town and a Serial Killer, cult or Town-adverse faction or player.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

BTW, congrats to guiri. I've been called a great number of things, but I think "Professor Pepperscumbag" is a new one.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

A tad rude, though.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

A tad rude, though.

Sorry, just having a little fun!

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

What if there are more than 3 parties? Rare, yes, but the reluctance to clear up whether Tinker was part of a group adverse to Town's wincon suggests that there may be a survivor (I can't remember what Tinker flipped exactly) who can win with Town and a Serial Killer, cult or Town-adverse faction or player.

I guess there might be more than 3 parties, except that we know there are exactly 3 wincons.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

What if there are more than 3 parties? Rare, yes, but the reluctance to clear up whether Tinker was part of a group adverse to Town's wincon suggests that there may be a survivor (I can't remember what Tinker flipped exactly) who can win with Town and a Serial Killer, cult or Town-adverse faction or player.

The rules say there are 3 wincons. I don't see more than one third party group where multiple of them have the same wincon-- that verges on Gastard to me.