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Vegas Mafia Night Two
Very sorry for the low effort modding, folks, but my internet is out again and I am on my phone.
Anyway, Vanta could hide, but he couldn’t run. Kaiveran, it turns out, had the opposite problem.
Great to see you, Kaiveran, hope you stick around. Night will last 24 hours or until everyone has their orders in, whichever comes first. Last edited by Eristic Widgeon; 29th June 2022 at 08:14 PM. |
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I gave you the option of using more "normal" alternates (they/them) which you apparently ignored. I have no more reason to BS, so know that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt this once. But it won't happen again. |
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Excellent! Well played Kaiveran, please come back.
EoD time changed again? |
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Nope, I checked this time. EoD was 2 pm Chicago time, it is now 2:34 here.
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Ah, was expecting midnight my time again, thanks.
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FWIW, unrelated to mafia, I agree with the sentiment, maybe wouldn’t go to the extreme of bot playing, but try to educate or influence. It’s a question of respect and understanding, whether you agree or not. If someone asks me to refer to them in a certain way, I’ll try to respect their wishes, I’ll probably mess up a few times, but it’s easy to refer to they or them as a general rule, especially when our nicks don’t indicate an obvious gender. I keep thinking Vanta is a he, but they could be a she, and I’m pretty sure I asked before but forgot the answer so try to use them instead.
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I thought you'd posted 3 pm which is why I was posting in the wrong thread. Sorry.
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I’ll try to put some notes down before Dawn in case I don’t survive the Night. Kaiveran’s last post was certainly anti-spew so should be ignored, but I don’t think much cred should be given to late voters, and consider some of the off-wagon or non-voters deserve additional scrutiny. Clearly Meeko stands out, and Archangel for her flip-flopping (did not count her final unvote and revote below as they were after EoD).
D2 Final Vote Count Kaiveran (6): guiri (4), Meeko (23), Bashorian Clement (93), TexCat (158), Archangel (182), Mordenkainen (204) Bashorian Clement (2): Mahaloth (165), Silverjan (194) Texcat (1): Meeko (1): Kaiveran (156) Guiri (0): Kaiveren (0): Mahaloth (0): Not voting (1): Colby11 Day 1 Final Vote Count Texcat (4): Gnarlycharlie (4): Silverjan (136), Archangel (209), TexCat (237), guiri (239) Vanta Black (2): Colby11 (72), LightFoot (114), Archangel (1): Guiri (1): Precambrianmollusc (0): Mahaloth (0): Meeko (0): Not voting (2): Kaiveran, Bashorian Clement |
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(I don't mean to be funny, I mean that pronouns can change over time.)
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And well played Vanta!
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I am going to need a moment, or three.
Seriously. I need to gather my thoughts. After that, Ineed to reassess where I am in this game. |
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Hug from me, Meeko.
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I think you did great toDay.
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Wow, I'm surprised.
Kaiveran, please join us regularly! And you had me fooled. |
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Holy carp well done.
I had every intention of returning before EOD but work decided it was more important than me checking with my game well done on the Kai early voters -- I do hope Kai does return to play another. Obviously I couldn't see the forest for the trees -or the other way 'round with Vanta's 'crumb' sorry Vanta you left it on the table and I didn't grasp it properly. |
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Twilight Sparkle: "You're a great friend even if we don't always understand you." Pinkie Pie: "Thanks, guys. You're all great friends, too, even when I don't understand me." |
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Other than work and finding a reliable vehicle my schedule is pretty open for the next week to I will attempt to be a better team member. |
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Ok.
I'm not sure I see any relevance in posting what I wanted to post. Hope Kaiveran comes back to play in furture games, but, it is eir choice. I can't really force that any more than what it is. Not sure what to go on, in light of waiting on results toMorrow, and Tomorrow. |
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(posted in wrong thread)
Town Me (for SilverJan) Take the rest with a pinch of salt... Non-scum Archangel - apart from my D1 read, the entire angst and frustration at understanding Vanta's role, flip-flopping on Kaiveran, defending em but eventually settling on em just felt real. Tinfoiling - I can't see it. Meeko - happy with the progression during the Day, the early vote, solidified with the breadcrumb, and the plea to others in #133, plus Kaiveran's reaction to the vote. Tinfoiling - could the angst and sorrow be Meeko's real reaction to finding themself forced to bus a scumbuddy? Lean non-scum Lightfoot ISO, strong opposition to breadcrumbgate, went far out of her way to argue against the evidence, so far as to vote TexCat for her vote on Kaiveran, and threaten Bashorian with the same. Tinfoiling - she could be distancing from TexCat, if they are mates with Kaiveran it makes sense that 'eir colleagues split between jumping on the wagon and staying off, but there's quite a bit of hard distancing between them Bashorian Clement ISO, on Kaiveran early, before breadcrumb was spotted, with some hesitation following Meeko, strenghtened read as evidence appears. Tinfoiling - could be hard bussing if they'd found the breadcrumb and determined Kaiveran was a lost cause. Neutral/unsure Silverjan ISO, did not want to give the new guy a pass in #138 but stayed off Kaiveran despite being aware of how easy it was to jump on with plausible deniability if town or earn town cred if scum, followed her gut on BC, despite her gut being wrong on GC D1 Colby11 ISO, still suspect he could be 3P, lack of content makes any read difficult, did not post between his promise to go back and reread in #55 and his return in #189 where he says he missed the breadcrumb, nothing after, no vote, no boats being rocked here at all Mahaloth ISO, still need more here, I did not understand #122/165 where he voted Bashorian for jumping on the Kaiveran train, what was odd about it? Do you suspect it was a bus? Lean scum Mordenkainen ISO, D1#134/141 snuggle and indirect defense of Kaiveran stands out a little more now, comments on Kaiveran/Vanta in #131, returns in #186 with a little role-fishing attempt, factual re-hash of the previous discussion between Archangel and me, recognized 6 minutes later, was persuaded by the crumb - why now but not before in #131, since I spotted the crumb in #108? Changed stance on TexCat in #203, would like to hear current stance based on Kaiveran's flip. TexCat ISO, I've been back and forth about TexCat, D1 leaned scum but her late return before EoD gave me pause, accurately guessed the sequence of events leading up to Vanta's death, conceded alternate explanations later, did not follow up on the search for crumbs, can't help thinking she found it, she seemed to believe Vanta hid behind Kai in #123/125, vote only landed on Kaiveran in #158, leaning scum again on her Will look at Kaiveran's interactions with others, specially TexCat, Mordenkainen and Lightfoot, or someone else can do the legwork. |
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Please don't do that.
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I'll do legwork for you (Guiri), I owe you that for your patience with me from yesterday. But I also want to look at interactions from other players so I'm including my own legwork.
Again I'm sorry I don't know how to multiquote. D1.P38 Kaiveran voices suspicion of Mahaloth. D1.P39 Kaiveran subtly indicates we should give some time for LightFoot and BC to show up. D1.P141 Mordenkainen defends me (correctly) against Meeko's accusation that I was on Kai like a dog with a bone, and says he won't be voting me or Kai today. D2.P36 Kaiveran defends Silverjan for coming after Charlie and also defends me and Mordenkainen. He posted this reads list here: So in review, the interactions with gnarlycharlie in rough order of towniness: Mordenkainen Silverjan Archangel TexCat guiri D2.P66 Kaiveran talks to Jan, telling her not to make reads based on what you want to be true. Then 'e offers similar head-patty advice to LightFoot. D2.P93 BC voted Kaiveran, third on wagon I think. D2.P101 BC says neither Kai/guiri nor Kai/Meeko are w/w. D2.P131 Mordenkainen lists the possibilities for Vanta hiding behind Kai but draws no conclusions in the post. D2.P132 BC discusses the same thing. He draws a conclusion but I'm unable to understand what it is (I can't tell if it's pro-Kai or anti-Kai). D2.P143 Kai "reads" Mordenkainen but doesn't draw a conclusion. 'e also "reads" me and seems to be mostly positive but also leaves the door open for negative. D2.P147 Kai reads me positively. (I'm noting this because when you have my flip it proves he was snuggling as a strategy.) D2.P152 Kai reads LightFoot positively. D2.P155 Kai uses one of my favorite scum tells: "Is it that simple?" (Noting this for my own reference, it IS a reliable scum tell.) 'e called out Meeko, Colby, and Mordenkainen. By rule of 3 this is interesting but 'e knows some of us play on MU and would therefore know the rule of 3. D2.P158 TexCat voted Kai. I do not know what vote she was on this wagon, have to go back and look when I'm done. D2.P186 Mordenkainen explains the Vanta hiding possibilities to me and votes Kai. D2.P187 Mordenkainen agrees with Guiri that there are possibilities where Kai doesn't flip scum, but says the breadcrumb is persuasive. D2.P197 Jan votes BC and says that there might be scum bussing Kai (at least I think that's what her comment about brownie points means). D2.P203 Mordenkainen talks about TexCat if Kai flips scum. D2.P205 Kai calls TexCat's vote on 'im disingenuous and calls Mahaloth town. |
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I should have been looking for Kai/Colby interactions too because D2.P155 stands out to me. Will go back and do that if I have time.
I don't think the Meeko tinfoil is valid, Kai called Meeko out as town early on, and to me it looks like snuggling. |
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we want you around! |
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Commentary to follow if I find time, just the note about Mordenkainen's vote correction adds to my suspicion on that slot.
1. Lightfoot
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That's been going around here lately.
![]() ---- ---- God I hate this. I mean, I know exactly what I need to say, but I feel like I would be offending people more by my response, than the original item I'm responding to. Ultimately, speaking personally, I'm not really attached to any pronouns. I guess I use Him / He because, AMAB and the legacies and legacy cost therein. And by that I mean, I can tell that it moves other people A LOT MORE than it does me. For clarification, I restated my pronouns, because I was essentially asked for them. But, I can tell that... personal pronouns can mean more, personally, for other people. Perhaps this too, is a piece to my personal questions here. But, I'm just restating it to say that I don't want to see anyone, Kaiveran , or Silverjan included leave our group over it. Not sure how to say much more, as I already feel caught in the crossfire. |
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![]() It has a meaning? [[As opposed to Close it Encounters, "It means something"]] Just, I find it interesting that AA is posting this about me. |
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So I can certainly see hard-pairing with Lightfoot, Mordenkainen and TexCat, and light-pairing with Mahaloth, SilverJan, and Colby, only tinfoil pairing with Bashorian Clement. My independent reads keep Mordenkainen and TexCat at the top, but likely unaligned between them, so likely one of those two plus one of the second group, assuming a 3-person scum team.
I have to say that Kaiveran did a great job of snuggling and being snuggled, left interactions with all players, even Colby, and has not made this pairing work easy to solve. |
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1. By "it" I mean Kai calling you town early on looks like 'e is snuggling you. 2. I have this opinion because I'm town and 'e was snuggling me, and you appear to be 'is friend so you appear to be a likely candidate for snuggling by 'im. 3. I am a little paranoid about you only because we ALWAYS disagree, but the parts of what you're posting that I understand, I agree with. 4. What specifically do you mean by interesting? I mean is this an in-game comment, and if so, what? Or is it just commenting on the meta that we are like oil and water? (If so, see above.) |
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Silverjan, I think I can speak for the community in saying that you are our friend and nobody wants you to leave, but we really, really do want you to try to keep those particular opinions to yourself in future. It’s the 21st century and “they” should not be a hard ask.
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I think I'm doing the pronouns wrong, I'm sorry, that's just confusion. I'm going to stick to they and them for Kaiveran because that seems better than what I did in the above post.
Jan, we don't want you to leave. But pronouns can be massively impactful for vulnerable people, and queer/trans/nonbinary people are feeling VERY vulnerable right now in the US because the highest court in our land has indicated it wants to strip rights from them. This is literally making people physically ill with anxiety or making them feel suicidal (*in that sentence I'm not using them for Kai there, I'm talking about people in general). |
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^Also, for those (guiri?) who were wondering if we could add the pronoun functionality, it was pretty easy for me to change my "title" to pronouns, which are reasonably visible (at least on my desktop monitor, probably not so much on my phone).
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it's bugsnax, owo |
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