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Old 29th June 2022, 11:06 AM
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Vegas Mafia Night Two

Very sorry for the low effort modding, folks, but my internet is out again and I am on my phone.

Anyway, Vanta could hide, but he couldn’t run. Kaiveran, it turns out, had the opposite problem.

Welcome to the game, you are Scum Role Cop. Your partners are XXX and you can talk with them at YYY.
Each Night, you may target a player and read their rolecard.
You win when all Town and any hostile Third Party players have been eliminated.



Great to see you, Kaiveran, hope you stick around.

Night will last 24 hours or until everyone has their orders in, whichever comes first.

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Old 29th June 2022, 11:24 AM
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Welcome to the game, you are Scum Role Cop. Your partners are [REDACTED] and you can talk with them [REDACTED].
Each Night, you may target a player and read their rolecard.
You win when all Town and any hostile Third Party players have been eliminated.
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Sorry, I won't do these odd pronouns, they make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
If this is your attitude, we definitely should not play together again.

I gave you the option of using more "normal" alternates (they/them) which you apparently ignored.

I have no more reason to BS, so know that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt this once. But it won't happen again.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:24 AM
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Wow, do I feel like a moron. But @Kaiveran, that was EPIC, I hope I get to play scum with you some day.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:27 AM
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Excellent! Well played Kaiveran, please come back.

EoD time changed again?
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:34 AM
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Nope, I checked this time. EoD was 2 pm Chicago time, it is now 2:34 here.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:35 AM
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Ah, was expecting midnight my time again, thanks.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:42 AM
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Sorry, I won't do these odd pronouns, they make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
If this is your attitude, we definitely should not play together again.
FWIW, unrelated to mafia, I agree with the sentiment, maybe wouldn’t go to the extreme of bot playing, but try to educate or influence. It’s a question of respect and understanding, whether you agree or not. If someone asks me to refer to them in a certain way, I’ll try to respect their wishes, I’ll probably mess up a few times, but it’s easy to refer to they or them as a general rule, especially when our nicks don’t indicate an obvious gender. I keep thinking Vanta is a he, but they could be a she, and I’m pretty sure I asked before but forgot the answer so try to use them instead.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:58 AM
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Nope, I checked this time. EoD was 2 pm Chicago time, it is now 2:34 here.
I thought you'd posted 3 pm which is why I was posting in the wrong thread. Sorry.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:59 AM
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I’ll try to put some notes down before Dawn in case I don’t survive the Night. Kaiveran’s last post was certainly anti-spew so should be ignored, but I don’t think much cred should be given to late voters, and consider some of the off-wagon or non-voters deserve additional scrutiny. Clearly Meeko stands out, and Archangel for her flip-flopping (did not count her final unvote and revote below as they were after EoD).

D2 Final Vote Count
Kaiveran (6): guiri (4), Meeko (23), Bashorian Clement (93), TexCat (158), Archangel (182), Mordenkainen (204)
Bashorian Clement (2): Mahaloth (165), Silverjan (194)
Texcat (1): Mahaloth (58)[122], Mahaloth (122)[165], LightFoot (124), Archangel (161)[170]
Meeko (1): Kaiveran (156)
Guiri (0): Kaiveran (36)[140]
Kaiveren (0): Mordenkainen (186)[204]
Mahaloth (0): Archangel (145)[161], TexCat (158)[158], Archangel (170)[182]

Not voting (1): Colby11

Day 1 Final Vote Count
Texcat (4): guiri (113)[239], Mahaloth (118), Mordenkainen (189), Vanta Black (227), gnarlycharlie (240)
Gnarlycharlie (4): Silverjan (136), Archangel (209), TexCat (237), guiri (239)
Vanta Black (2): Colby11 (72), LightFoot (114), Archangel (148)[190]
Archangel (1): guiri (23)[40], Meeko (100), Vanta Black (108)[187]
Guiri (1): gnarlycharlie (13)[240], Precambrianmollusc (151)
Precambrianmollusc (0): Archangel (89)[148]
Mahaloth (0): Colby11 (28)[28], TexCat (35)[237], Meeko (45)[75]
Meeko (0): Vanta Black (37)[108]

Not voting (2): Kaiveran, Bashorian Clement
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:59 AM
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If this is your attitude, we definitely should not play together again.
FWIW, unrelated to mafia, I agree with the sentiment, maybe wouldn’t go to the extreme of bot playing, but try to educate or influence. It’s a question of respect and understanding, whether you agree or not. If someone asks me to refer to them in a certain way, I’ll try to respect their wishes, I’ll probably mess up a few times, but it’s easy to refer to they or them as a general rule, especially when our nicks don’t indicate an obvious gender. I keep thinking Vanta is a he, but they could be a she, and I’m pretty sure I asked before but forgot the answer so try to use them instead.
Vanta is a he. At least he was the last time this issue came up (Vanta sounds like Vanna so I was misgendering him, and he corrected me).
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Old 29th June 2022, 12:00 PM
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(I don't mean to be funny, I mean that pronouns can change over time.)
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Old 29th June 2022, 12:03 PM
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And well played Vanta!
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Old 29th June 2022, 12:04 PM
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I am going to need a moment, or three.

Seriously. I need to gather my thoughts. After that, Ineed to reassess where I am in this game.
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Old 29th June 2022, 12:27 PM
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Old 29th June 2022, 12:39 PM
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I am going to need a moment, or three.

Seriously. I need to gather my thoughts. After that, Ineed to reassess where I am in this game.
I think you did great toDay.
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Old 29th June 2022, 02:35 PM
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I am going to need a moment, or three.

Seriously. I need to gather my thoughts. After that, Ineed to reassess where I am in this game.
I think you did great toDay.
You both did great toDay
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Old 29th June 2022, 04:21 PM
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Wow, I'm surprised.

Kaiveran, please join us regularly! And you had me fooled.
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Old 29th June 2022, 04:25 PM
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Holy carp well done.
I had every intention of returning before EOD but work decided it was more important than me checking with my game

well done on the Kai early voters -- I do hope Kai does return to play another.

Obviously I couldn't see the forest for the trees -or the other way 'round
with Vanta's 'crumb'
sorry Vanta you left it on the table and I didn't grasp it properly.
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Old 29th June 2022, 04:26 PM
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A good and thought out post.

Posted into D2 ... Well after time.

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Sorry, I won't do these odd pronouns, they make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Silverjan ::

I will take one pass at this.

Why are Kaiveran's pronouns any different than mine?

I'll restate that, for the moment at least, I am still using He/Him. Even if I chaned to She, it's still 3 "new" letters for me. I don't see the issue.

Kai,

1. Are we still good?

2. I was (and still am) thinking that my drive / vote on you was the leading, if not only reason why you no longer feel welcomed here / want to play with us.

3.Devils advocate, and benefit of the doubt::

A. You absolutely, to the letter of what you said, meant that "Until the next indent" was 1000% truthful, right? I mean, I'm not sure how I can trust you here... Except that you came in as a Furry, and frankly, I know the set of comrobid ... Us Furs typically have. And yeah, I'll re emphasize the Brony aspects here, too.

Tell me I can trust your aside on my gender validation.


B. In hindsight, one hell of a scum tell there.

I will post more later. I'm already late clocking back in.
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Old 29th June 2022, 04:38 PM
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Last one toDay, Lightfoot


D1
#64/65 Hi, fluff, was in hospital
#66 to Mahaloth, VT are always in the dark D1, nothing unusual about that
#67 asks me to clarify my statement about Mahaloth
#68 to Vanta, confirms she was in Vegas, mechanics talk re: vote bolding
#69 asks Mahaloth if he had a solid reason to claim this time
#73/80 to Colby & Vanta, more mechanics talk re: vote bolding
#74 to Mahaloth, thanks him for answering her #69
#114 votes Vanta for gut, suspects Gnarly stumbled upon something, promises to take a closer look for the context
#116 to me, clarifies she meant Colby's #72, where he accused Vanta of blending in plus the joke vote on Meeko
#149 to SilverJan, numbering miscommunication

- Lightfoot disappeared for the rest of the Day and Night, no reason given until D2#49 where her car "just" blew up
- no follow up on the Vanta vote, or the context behind Colby's #72
- not much else to go on here, posts in brief bursts of activity, commenting as she catches up/spots something shiny

D2
#49 Car just blew up, will try to focus
#50 to TexCat, who suggests Vanta hid behind scum and PCM was the scum kill, clarifies that Vanta could also have hidden behind PCM, she would have hidden behind a town read, as a form of investigation
#51 to Meeko, asks to clarify their "super town power" comment
#52 to me, concurs that there are likely multiple enemies
#53 to Meeko, asks to explain their vote on Kaiveran, is also suspicious but wants to compare reasoning
#54 to SilverJan, also thought Meeko had claimed VT
#61 to Meeko, re their response to #53, does not think the town roles are severely handicapped, explains her read on Kaiveran, felt good out of the gate but there was no follow-up, does not want to give Kaiveran a pass for being new but wants to see how 'ey interact
#62 asks if AA and Silverjan are a little muted/low-profile, hegdes with a "it could just be me"
#81 to Archange, who says Vanta could not have hidden behind PCM, advises to re-read the reveal
#115 to Bashorian, who questions the lack of a 3rd kill and why no-one else is curious, an additional killer might have held off, or been blocked
#116 to me, cautions against reading too much into a turn of phrase (Vanta's "get behind"), was once NKed for using the word track, does not think Vanta would hide behind one of their scumreads
#121 to Bashorian, who still asks why no-one is curious about a missing kill, thinks two were enough, suggests he share if he knows of a thwarted attempt
#124 To Texcat, did not read Vanta as town-reading Kaiveran, votes TexCat, would also vote Bashorian
#128 to TexCat, who asks why Lightfoot voted her, says that she's wrong about Vanta and would like to resolve the D1 tie

- More bursts, feel natural, some fighting tone, desire to solve
- not sure about the vote reasoning on TexCat (town can be wrong too, even strong-headedly wrong) but she certainly believes Vanta did not town-read Kaiveran, does not believe the breadcrumb is a crumb, and therefore did not hide behind 'em, maybe she's the voice of reason we were waiting for, but Occam's razor and all that, meh, doubting myself sucks.
Well we all now now I was wrong about the crumb- I wasn't the only one anyway.

Other than work and finding a reliable vehicle my schedule is pretty open for the next week to I will attempt to be a better team member.
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Old 29th June 2022, 07:43 PM
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Ok.

I'm not sure I see any relevance in posting what I wanted to post.

Hope Kaiveran comes back to play in furture games, but, it is eir choice. I can't really force that any more than what it is.

Not sure what to go on, in light of waiting on results toMorrow, and Tomorrow.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:34 PM
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A good and thought out post.

Posted into D2 ... Well after time.

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Silverjan ::

I will take one pass at this.

Why are Kaiveran's pronouns any different than mine?

I'll restate that, for the moment at least, I am still using He/Him. Even if I chaned to She, it's still 3 "new" letters for me. I don't see the issue.

Kai,

1. Are we still good?

2. I was (and still am) thinking that my drive / vote on you was the leading, if not only reason why you no longer feel welcomed here / want to play with us.

3.Devils advocate, and benefit of the doubt::

A. You absolutely, to the letter of what you said, meant that "Until the next indent" was 1000% truthful, right? I mean, I'm not sure how I can trust you here... Except that you came in as a Furry, and frankly, I know the set of comrobid ... Us Furs typically have. And yeah, I'll re emphasize the Brony aspects here, too.

Tell me I can trust your aside on my gender validation.


B. In hindsight, one hell of a scum tell there.

I will post more later. I'm already late clocking back in.
You can use whichever pronoun you want but to me it doesn't make sense. They is not singular, it is confusing. I don't even like the term Ms for Miss or Mrs. Sorry that I upset everyone, I will play this game and then quit.
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Old 29th June 2022, 11:48 PM
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Ok.

I'm not sure I see any relevance in posting what I wanted to post.

Hope Kaiveran comes back to play in furture games, but, it is eir choice. I can't really force that any more than what it is.

Not sure what to go on, in light of waiting on results toMorrow, and Tomorrow.
I wasn't actually referring to Kaiveran at all, it was just in general. I didn't honestly mean to upset anyone.
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Old 30th June 2022, 03:23 AM
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(posted in wrong thread)

Town
Me (for SilverJan)

Take the rest with a pinch of salt...

Non-scum
Archangel - apart from my D1 read, the entire angst and frustration at understanding Vanta's role, flip-flopping on Kaiveran, defending em but eventually settling on em just felt real. Tinfoiling - I can't see it.
Meeko - happy with the progression during the Day, the early vote, solidified with the breadcrumb, and the plea to others in #133, plus Kaiveran's reaction to the vote. Tinfoiling - could the angst and sorrow be Meeko's real reaction to finding themself forced to bus a scumbuddy?

Lean non-scum
Lightfoot ISO, strong opposition to breadcrumbgate, went far out of her way to argue against the evidence, so far as to vote TexCat for her vote on Kaiveran, and threaten Bashorian with the same. Tinfoiling - she could be distancing from TexCat, if they are mates with Kaiveran it makes sense that 'eir colleagues split between jumping on the wagon and staying off, but there's quite a bit of hard distancing between them
Bashorian Clement ISO, on Kaiveran early, before breadcrumb was spotted, with some hesitation following Meeko, strenghtened read as evidence appears. Tinfoiling - could be hard bussing if they'd found the breadcrumb and determined Kaiveran was a lost cause.

Neutral/unsure
Silverjan ISO, did not want to give the new guy a pass in #138 but stayed off Kaiveran despite being aware of how easy it was to jump on with plausible deniability if town or earn town cred if scum, followed her gut on BC, despite her gut being wrong on GC D1
Colby11 ISO, still suspect he could be 3P, lack of content makes any read difficult, did not post between his promise to go back and reread in #55 and his return in #189 where he says he missed the breadcrumb, nothing after, no vote, no boats being rocked here at all
Mahaloth ISO, still need more here, I did not understand #122/165 where he voted Bashorian for jumping on the Kaiveran train, what was odd about it? Do you suspect it was a bus?

Lean scum
Mordenkainen ISO, D1#134/141 snuggle and indirect defense of Kaiveran stands out a little more now, comments on Kaiveran/Vanta in #131, returns in #186 with a little role-fishing attempt, factual re-hash of the previous discussion between Archangel and me, recognized 6 minutes later, was persuaded by the crumb - why now but not before in #131, since I spotted the crumb in #108? Changed stance on TexCat in #203, would like to hear current stance based on Kaiveran's flip.
TexCat ISO, I've been back and forth about TexCat, D1 leaned scum but her late return before EoD gave me pause, accurately guessed the sequence of events leading up to Vanta's death, conceded alternate explanations later, did not follow up on the search for crumbs, can't help thinking she found it, she seemed to believe Vanta hid behind Kai in #123/125, vote only landed on Kaiveran in #158, leaning scum again on her

Will look at Kaiveran's interactions with others, specially TexCat, Mordenkainen and Lightfoot, or someone else can do the legwork.
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Old 30th June 2022, 03:27 AM
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Please don't do that.
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Old 30th June 2022, 05:51 AM
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I'll do legwork for you (Guiri), I owe you that for your patience with me from yesterday. But I also want to look at interactions from other players so I'm including my own legwork.

Again I'm sorry I don't know how to multiquote.

D1.P38 Kaiveran voices suspicion of Mahaloth.
D1.P39 Kaiveran subtly indicates we should give some time for LightFoot and BC to show up.
D1.P141 Mordenkainen defends me (correctly) against Meeko's accusation that I was on Kai like a dog with a bone, and says he won't be voting me or Kai today.
D2.P36 Kaiveran defends Silverjan for coming after Charlie and also defends me and Mordenkainen. He posted this reads list here:

So in review, the interactions with gnarlycharlie in rough order of towniness:
Mordenkainen
Silverjan
Archangel
TexCat
guiri


D2.P66 Kaiveran talks to Jan, telling her not to make reads based on what you want to be true. Then 'e offers similar head-patty advice to LightFoot.

D2.P93 BC voted Kaiveran, third on wagon I think.

D2.P101 BC says neither Kai/guiri nor Kai/Meeko are w/w.

D2.P131 Mordenkainen lists the possibilities for Vanta hiding behind Kai but draws no conclusions in the post.

D2.P132 BC discusses the same thing. He draws a conclusion but I'm unable to understand what it is (I can't tell if it's pro-Kai or anti-Kai).

D2.P143 Kai "reads" Mordenkainen but doesn't draw a conclusion. 'e also "reads" me and seems to be mostly positive but also leaves the door open for negative.

D2.P147 Kai reads me positively. (I'm noting this because when you have my flip it proves he was snuggling as a strategy.)

D2.P152 Kai reads LightFoot positively.

D2.P155 Kai uses one of my favorite scum tells: "Is it that simple?" (Noting this for my own reference, it IS a reliable scum tell.) 'e called out Meeko, Colby, and Mordenkainen. By rule of 3 this is interesting but 'e knows some of us play on MU and would therefore know the rule of 3.

D2.P158 TexCat voted Kai. I do not know what vote she was on this wagon, have to go back and look when I'm done.

D2.P186 Mordenkainen explains the Vanta hiding possibilities to me and votes Kai.

D2.P187 Mordenkainen agrees with Guiri that there are possibilities where Kai doesn't flip scum, but says the breadcrumb is persuasive.

D2.P197 Jan votes BC and says that there might be scum bussing Kai (at least I think that's what her comment about brownie points means).

D2.P203 Mordenkainen talks about TexCat if Kai flips scum.

D2.P205 Kai calls TexCat's vote on 'im disingenuous and calls Mahaloth town.
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I should have been looking for Kai/Colby interactions too because D2.P155 stands out to me. Will go back and do that if I have time.

I don't think the Meeko tinfoil is valid, Kai called Meeko out as town early on, and to me it looks like snuggling.
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Old 30th June 2022, 06:14 AM
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Sorry that I upset everyone, I will play this game and then quit.
Please don't do that.
Jan take the sour grapes and make wine
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Commentary to follow if I find time, just the note about Mordenkainen's vote correction adds to my suspicion on that slot.
1. Lightfoot

D1#39 Kai calls out Lightfoot and Bashorian, asks everyone to post a read
D2#53 indirectly, to Meeko, asks why they're voting Kai, is also sus but reasons may be different
- note this is the first mention of Kai
D2#61 indirectly, to Meeko, found Kai's start good but then lacked follow-up, may not give Kai a pass for being new, still early in the game, will watch interactions
D2#66 Kai says Good Job to Lightfoot for questioning his vote reasoning on Kai
D2#116 indirectly, to me, says Vanta's was highly unlikely to hide behind someone they felt was scum and therefore discounts the breadcrumb
D2#124 indirectly, votes TexCat, did not see Vanta town reading Kai, would vote Bashorian too
D2#128 indirectly, to TexCat, is offbase, setting up a lynch that will protect her
D2#152 Kai quotes Lightfoot, calls her posts brusque, but sees independent thought
D2#154 Kai suspects one of the non-voters is scum - excludes Lightfoot - who is an indepent thinker

2. Mahaloth

D1#38 Kai quotes both of Mahaloth's opening posts, reads wolfy
N1#10 Kai agrees with Mahaloth that a lack of claim from gnarly is bizarre
N1#21 indirectly, is asked by Vanta for his reads on Kai and me
D2#66 asks Mahaloth if he can spare a line to support his vote on TexCat
D2#122 indirectly, (mis)votes Bashorian for jumping on the Kai wagon
- and this came after the crumb
D2#143 Kai comments on my low-poster ISOs, agrees that bar for vote reasoning (on TexCat) should rise
D2#165 unrelated, simply comes back to fix vote on BC

3. Silverjan

D1#82 indirectly, to Vanta, agrees that Archangel's question to Kai is strange
D1#84 to Kai, gives advice about playing with Meeko, shares a read on gnarly
D1#139/140 indirectly, asks Archangel to explain what she expects to learn from Kai's answer, found it
D2#36 indirectly, Kai finds her read and then vote on gnarly without malicious intent, likes her progression, ranks the interaction 2nd out of 5 in order of towniness
D2#66 indirectly, to Lightfoot & SilverJan, Kai explains that Meeko's ping from Mahaloth about claims is different to Meeko's own claim
D2#66 Kai warns Silverjan not to write me off based on style, it's NAI
D2#138 indirectly, to audience, does not agree with giving the new guy a pass
D2#154 Kai suspects one of the non-voters is scum, excludes SilverJan as purest of Gnarly voters
D2#197 indirectly, to me, when I suggested that Kai is a slam dunk for scum to hop on, plausible deniability, adds that they'd also get cred if ey flip scum

6. Mordenkainen

D1#134 quotes Kai's #38, is a positive start to the game, gives an overall townie feel
D1#141 indirectly, corrects Meeko on Archangel's approach to Kai, will not be voting Kai or Archangel toDay
D2#36 indirectly, does not think Mordenkainen's defense of gnarly is white-knighting, ranks the interaction 1st out of 5 in order of towniness
D2#131 indirectly, lists out three options for Vanta's death including Vanta hiding behind Kai
D2#143 Kai comments on my low-poster ISOs, unsure of my read on Mordenkainen, could be wolfy self-focus or struggling to get a read, waiting for follow-up, unlikely aligned with TexCat due to early vote, sees an improvement in content and evolving reads compared to BC
D2#154 Kai suspects one of the non-voters is scum, excludes others so "that leaves Colby and Morden", votes Meeko without reasoning why not Colby or Morden
D2#186 works through Vanta scenarios, Vanta's hint, votes Kai, asks em to come and play again
D2#187 agrees with hypotheses that Kai could be town, but finds crumb to be persuasive
D2#203 suggests a need to look at TexCat, for thinking Kai is townie, especially if Kai flips scum
D2#204 fixes spelling of vote on Kai so ensure the vote count reflects it correctly
- possible smoking gun here, there was no vote count posted, how did Mordenkainen notice the typo? Why was he so concerned about it appearing correctly in the vote count?

8. Colby11

D2#66 first interaction, Kai asks Colby for an update on his re-read, is missing Colby's perspective on game
D2#143 Kai comments on my low-poster ISOs, also in blindspot, suspects possible passive wolves, no reasoning, earlier asked to step it up
D2#154 Kai suspects one of the non-voters is scum (between Archangel - who he trusts, Colby, Lightfoot - who is an indepent thinker, Mordenkainen, Silverjan - purest of gnarly voters & TexCat), "that leaves Colby and Morden", votes Meeko without reasoning why not Colby or Morden
D2#189 indirectly, to Archangel, explains that Vanta would die if he hid behind Kai, seems to have missed the breadcrumb

10. TexCat

D1#21 indirectly, asks me to explain my question to Kai re: drinks
D2#8 indirectly, quotes Vanta's question to Mahaloth for his reads on Kai and me
D2#36 Kai reviews votes on gnarly, assuming both gnarly and Texcat are Town, handwaves TexCat's self-pres vote on gnarly, null, ranks her interaction 4th out of 5 in order of towniness, does not enter into worlds where TexCat is scum and being saved
- note Kai never considers w!TexCat afterwards either
D2#65 indirectly, Kai can not find a scum motivation for my vote switch, but does not necessarily believe TexCat is Town, my EoD actions make them consider a w!TexCat
D2#123 Agrees that hiding behind Kai made sense since Kai was "a townie who wasn't likely to be the NK"
D2#125 to Lightfoot, agrees that it's not certain Vanta town-read Kai, but Kai was an unlikely NK anyway
D2#154 Kai suspects one of the non-voters is scum excludes everyone except TexCat, Colby and Morden and says "that leaves Colby and Morden", votes Meeko without reasoning why not Colby or Morden, and no further mention of TexCat
D2#158 votes Kai, thinks Vanta could have hidden behind em, likes wagon, may need self-defense vote again

14. Bashorian

D1#39 Kai calls out Lightfoot and Bashorian, asks everyone to post a read
D2#93 Bashorian votes Kai for being overly defensive, something in eir posting that's gnawing at him, does not get a town feel
D2#95/96 is sheeping Meeko's suspicion of Kai/maybe not, will see how it plays out
D2#101 declares impossible pairings of Kai with Meeko or me, without great theater
D2#107 to Archangel, agrees that the pairigs could other than w/2
D2#120 to Meeko, who asks his opinion of the breadcrumb, says it's likely Vanta hid behind Kai, making Kai scum
D2#143 Kai comments on my low-poster ISOs, had BC in a blindspot, fluffiness and lack of comment pings em as wolf, interested in Archangel's elabortion of BC's tone
D2#147 indirectly, to Archangel who explains her tone read on BC, now downgraded to neutral, understands process, hopes to hear more from BC
D2#151 Kai explains ey've been defensive as ey're the only serious candidate all Day, likes BC's concise and readible reads wall, agrees that there might be no 3Ps, agrees there's no evidence of a town super power
D2#152 Kai calls BC definitely Town
D2#154/155 Kai suspects one of eir votes in scum (between Meeko & BC), prefers Meeko

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Old 30th June 2022, 08:25 AM
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That's been going around here lately.

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God I hate this.

I mean, I know exactly what I need to say, but I feel like I would be offending people more by my response, than the original item I'm responding to.

Ultimately, speaking personally, I'm not really attached to any pronouns. I guess I use Him / He because, AMAB and the legacies and legacy cost therein.

And by that I mean, I can tell that it moves other people A LOT MORE than it does me. For clarification, I restated my pronouns, because I was essentially asked for them.

But, I can tell that... personal pronouns can mean more, personally, for other people.


Perhaps this too, is a piece to my personal questions here.


But, I'm just restating it to say that I don't want to see anyone, Kaiveran , or Silverjan included leave our group over it. Not sure how to say much more, as I already feel caught in the crossfire.
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I should have been looking for Kai/Colby interactions too because D2.P155 stands out to me. Will go back and do that if I have time.

I don't think the Meeko tinfoil is valid, Kai called Meeko out as town early on, and to me it looks like snuggling.



It has a meaning?

[[As opposed to Close it Encounters, "It means something"]]



Just, I find it interesting that AA is posting this about me.
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Old 30th June 2022, 08:35 AM
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So I can certainly see hard-pairing with Lightfoot, Mordenkainen and TexCat, and light-pairing with Mahaloth, SilverJan, and Colby, only tinfoil pairing with Bashorian Clement. My independent reads keep Mordenkainen and TexCat at the top, but likely unaligned between them, so likely one of those two plus one of the second group, assuming a 3-person scum team.
I have to say that Kaiveran did a great job of snuggling and being snuggled, left interactions with all players, even Colby, and has not made this pairing work easy to solve.
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Old 30th June 2022, 08:37 AM
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I should have been looking for Kai/Colby interactions too because D2.P155 stands out to me. Will go back and do that if I have time.

I don't think the Meeko tinfoil is valid, Kai called Meeko out as town early on, and to me it looks like snuggling.



It has a meaning?

[[As opposed to Close it Encounters, "It means something"]]

Just, I find it interesting that AA is posting this about me.
It was in my reads list, I have you and Archangel as most likely non-scum, but there’s a very small niggle that some of your angst and frustration with voting Kai was because you hate bussing, she discounted that possibility entirely.
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I should have been looking for Kai/Colby interactions too because D2.P155 stands out to me. Will go back and do that if I have time.

I don't think the Meeko tinfoil is valid, Kai called Meeko out as town early on, and to me it looks like snuggling.



It has a meaning?

[[As opposed to Close it Encounters, "It means something"]]



Just, I find it interesting that AA is posting this about me.
Not sure what you're asking here, but:

1. By "it" I mean Kai calling you town early on looks like 'e is snuggling you.

2. I have this opinion because I'm town and 'e was snuggling me, and you appear to be 'is friend so you appear to be a likely candidate for snuggling by 'im.

3. I am a little paranoid about you only because we ALWAYS disagree, but the parts of what you're posting that I understand, I agree with.

4. What specifically do you mean by interesting? I mean is this an in-game comment, and if so, what? Or is it just commenting on the meta that we are like oil and water? (If so, see above.)
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Silverjan, I think I can speak for the community in saying that you are our friend and nobody wants you to leave, but we really, really do want you to try to keep those particular opinions to yourself in future. It’s the 21st century and “they” should not be a hard ask.
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I think I'm doing the pronouns wrong, I'm sorry, that's just confusion. I'm going to stick to they and them for Kaiveran because that seems better than what I did in the above post.

Jan, we don't want you to leave. But pronouns can be massively impactful for vulnerable people, and queer/trans/nonbinary people are feeling VERY vulnerable right now in the US because the highest court in our land has indicated it wants to strip rights from them. This is literally making people physically ill with anxiety or making them feel suicidal (*in that sentence I'm not using them for Kai there, I'm talking about people in general).
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Old 30th June 2022, 09:50 AM
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^Also, for those (guiri?) who were wondering if we could add the pronoun functionality, it was pretty easy for me to change my "title" to pronouns, which are reasonably visible (at least on my desktop monitor, probably not so much on my phone).
 

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