Day Four -- Monster Manual Mafia

[Pleonast]

Another sour Day beings:
Mordenkainen is killed.

Role: Lich
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Powers:
1. Animate Dead: there is a Monster in this game who is your Zombie. You do not know their identity. If you die, they will as well. You are unaffected by their death, except for the loss of your Zombie Attack power.
2. Zombie Attack: each Night you may send your Zombie to another player. Your Zombie will kill that player, unless they are protected, or your Zombie is blocked or redirected. Be careful, because the Zombie will kill itself if ordered to do so. Your use of this power cannot be watched or tracked, but the Zombie could be.

Friendly_Illithid is killed.

Role: Zombie
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral
Powers:
1. Minion: you are the servant of another Monster player. You do not know their identity nor role. If they die, you will as well. Your death will not affect them, except that they'll no longer be able to direct your Attack.
2. Attack: each Night your master may send you out to kill a player. You have no control over this and do not know if you are attacking, who you are attacking, or if it was successful or not.
3. Undead: while your master is alive there are only two ways you can be killed. If your master directly orders you to kill yourself, you will. If you are lynched and one of the your voters is your master, you will die. If you are lynched and do not die, your role message will still be publicly revealed.

Day Four will end on Friday 19 Oct at 12 noon Cal Time. Be sure to check out the updated player lists and vote counts in https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=47537

[Bahamut]

for his choice to block F_I among other things.
for sheeping the wrong argument.

[Alan_Tudyk]

I've already addressed why in the prior day.

[Eileen Dover]

Well, shit. Didn't anyone protect Mordenkainen? I'm starting to worry that maybe we don't have enough powers after all. About the only positive is that we're still playing the game, which strongly suggests there are five (not six) Heroes. If there were six of them, the game would already be over (unless someone has a weird Day power to stop the lynch, but the rules suggest that's not the case).

I don't have any useful information to share from last Night but I might be able to corroborate others if they choose to claim.

[Bahamut]

Mordenkainen was killed by a Hero.

Friendly_Illithid was killed by a Monster.

Not sure what to make of that.

[Bahamut]

Actually, NVM; Mordenkainen technically "killed" F_I, I guess, looking at their roles.

[Owlbear]

Pfui. I had the whole WIFOM thing about whether or not to guard Mordenkainen, and I chose poorly. My bad.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Pfui. I had the whole WIFOM thing about whether or not to guard Mordenkainen, and I chose poorly. My bad.

Nope. You should always protect a claimed power role when there is no counterclaim. Mordenkainen was a step above the rest of us because he was keeping Friendly Illithid alive.

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Pfui. I had the whole WIFOM thing about whether or not to guard Mordenkainen, and I chose poorly. My bad.

Well, okay then, very odd.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Bahamut, Vichy, Owlbear: I see the three of you are online right now, but not contributing to any discussion. What gives?

[Owlbear]

Just because the light is on, it doesn't mean we're at the console. I am about to start supper, but I leave the screen up for when I pass through. I'm sure i'm not the only one.

I agree my play is inept, but i'm not scum.

[Bahamut]

I've probided the information I have, and am waiting to see if anyone else has commentary about it.

[Alan_Tudyk]

I will share something about my power.

Last night, I was immune to the first two powers that were sent my way. I could have been affected by the 3rd and beyond.

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

I will share something about my power.

Last night, I was immune to the first two powers that were sent my way. I could have been affected by the 3rd and beyond.

We are at LyLo. What good is being coy about you're power?

[Owlbear]

Neta:...your power. Sorry for the typo. Not used to the tablet.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Fair:

Role: Displacer Beast
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral
Powers:
1. Displacement: each Night, you automatically use this power, unless you are blocked (you cannot be redirected). Any powers targeting you are listed in the player-list order of the players targeting you. The first power targeting you is redirected to the first player who ended the Day with an active vote on you. The second power is redirected to the second player, etc. If more powers are targeting you than active votes on you, the excess powers will affect you normally. Powers that cannot be redirected will affect you normally, but not take up a slot.

[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Fair:

Role: Displacer Beast
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral
Powers:
1. Displacement: each Night, you automatically use this power, unless you are blocked (you cannot be redirected). Any powers targeting you are listed in the player-list order of the players targeting you. The first power targeting you is redirected to the first player who ended the Day with an active vote on you. The second power is redirected to the second player, etc. If more powers are targeting you than active votes on you, the excess powers will affect you normally. Powers that cannot be redirected will affect you normally, but not take up a slot.

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. The power described is a Scummy one.

. The alignment detective makes no sense for Town so it probably matters to Scum. I think the "no lynch" votes on Day 1 would have certainly had 1 scum on board so as not to group all of the Scum in one anti NL subset. The only "no lynch" survivor left is GC.

for blocking the Town vig. He had no right to do that if Town.

because I have not felt in general agreement with the arguments from this player.

for hiding in the game without making much of a fuss. Scum BZ play.

Probably 5 Scum. So am guessing these five and hope for a quick wrapup of the case.

[Owlbear]

That's beautiful. Pleo, great job!

[Alan_Tudyk]

Do you suspect me, Owlbear?

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Do you suspect me, Owlbear?

The only people I don't suspect at this point are myself, Illithid and Gazebo ('cause the Mod sent me a note saying he was a Monster). 5 out of 8 should be easier.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Yeah, more fool me. I guarded Bahamut 'cause I thought he was a likely target.

Originally Posted by Owlbear

That's beautiful. Pleo, great job!

Well, I'm pretty sure that means you are caught. Because if you thought I was a hero, you would not be complimenting the narrator for a beautifully crafted role; you would be accusing me of having faked it.

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Well, I'm pretty sure that means you are caught. Because if you thought I was a hero, you would not be complimenting the narrator for a beautifully crafted role; you would be accusing me of having faked it.

Not a bit of it. The Mod probably created cover roles for Scum, so this argument doesn't fly.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Not a bit of it. The Mod probably created cover roles for Scum, so this argument doesn't fly.

Yet, you wanted everyone to claim roles yesterday?

Nope. This line of thinking doesn't fly. You are caught.

[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Yet, you wanted everyone to claim roles yesterday?

Nope. This line of thinking doesn't fly. You are caught.

I find myself believing Owlbear. I have seen the "You are caught" line before. It's always a Scum line.

Owlbear, if I retired from Mafia for playing badly I would have done so a long time ago. It is not time to quit when making mistakes, it is time to play more to get better.

[Mad Mage]

I was quite taken aback when Owlbear said he didn't protect Mordenkainen and yet he had jailkept Friendly earlier in the game.



Did you use your power on anyone Owlbear?

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by Mad Mage

I was quite taken aback when Owlbear said he didn't protect Mordenkainen and yet he had jailkept Friendly earlier in the game.



Did you use your power on anyone Owlbear?

Yeah, more fool me. I guarded Bahamut 'cause I thought he was a likely target.

[Erinyes]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Every time a player has died, their 1-per-Night powers have the phrase "each Night", while the 1-shot powers have the phrase "once per game at Night,", "at Day or Night,", or "during the Day,". I think that also applies to the claims so far, but I didn't double-check that. (It was easy to check post 1 of every day/night thread; less so to find the individual claims.)

Power 2 doesn't fit this description -- it looks like a truncation of the common "once per game at Night," phrasing, but without the comma. Bahamut, you said in the next post "Emphasis all mine, not in the original." Aside from that, did you make any edits/deletions to this?

[Bahamut]

Yes, that's correct. I did truncate "once per game at Night", hoping that doing so might make me a more juicy target for the Heroes. I had intended to come clean about it just before Dawn but my (actual) morning was a lot busier than I expected it to be. And that's also why I held off on the first Night; I figured better to have at least two sets of results before sending them to someone else than to burn it the first Day.

But I really hadn't fully processed what F_I being outed meant, at first.

[Owlbear]

I know I'm playing badly. I'm retiring from the game after this one, 'cause that last play was just too stupid. If this wasn't LyLo, I'd probably go down quietly, so as to get past it. But I am Town, it's LyLo, and if I'm lynched, Town loses. So, I have to try and convince y'all not to make that easy vote. There are probably 5 Scum and 6 Town. I'm leaning Town on Bahamut, but that's it.

[Owlbear]

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

How does that follow? How does that make sense?

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

Why would the mod even bother crafting fake roles if they can't pass scrutiny?

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Why would the mod even bother crafting fake roles if they can't pass scrutiny?

The Mod creates cover roles at the start of the game. It's up to Scum to play their own roles in such a way as to match the cover roles provided, which is not always possible.

[PurpleWorm]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

If the mod has created fake roles for the Heroes, we won't find an error in the role, but we might find discrepancies in the results of those roles. This is why I'm so suspicious of Gelatinous Cube. He hasn't claimed results. And why I voted Onna, her results did not match what happened.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Also, V-P, why is Mad Mage NOT in your list of scum?

[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Also, V-P, why is Mad Mage NOT in your list of scum?

Because he/she has not raised my hackles as much as those I voted. Indeed when I unvoted Owlbear I looked at the others but was not moved to vote a new "fifth Scum" to replace Owlbear. I suspect there are five Scum, and would probably, if forced, pick Mad Mage or Ogre Jelly as the fifth. But I am not forced to make that decision so I choose not to now.

[vichyssoise please]

Alan_T,

Why did you encourage folks to vote for you as runner-up when such an action would divert powers from you onto those voters?

[Owlbear]

Because at EoD yesterDay Ogre Jelly was in the lead to be lynched. Votes changed to create a 3-way vote with Onna Role and Mord. Mord claimed, and the votes shifted onto Onna Role. Onna and Mord were both Town.

It makes sense that Scum saved Ogre.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Because at EoD yesterDay Ogre Jelly was in the lead to be lynched. Votes changed to create a 3-way vote with Onna Role and Mord. Mord claimed, and the votes shifted onto Onna Role. Onna and Mord were both Town.

It makes sense that Scum saved Ogre.

This is the first towny looking thing you've said today.

[Alan_Tudyk]

1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

You did early on encourage players at the bottom of the list to go after you because they had a better chance of getting through your defenses.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

You did early on encourage players at the bottom of the list to go after you because they had a better chance of getting through your defenses.

See, that's not entirely accurate. I said one player, Purple Worm, would be most likely to get through, and I wasn't encouraging anyone to do it. You seem to be misremembering things.

[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

See, that's not entirely accurate. I said one player, Purple Worm, would be most likely to get through, and I wasn't encouraging anyone to do it. You seem to be misremembering things.

What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.

I was obvious then that is what I meant, or only obvious now?

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

And did that gain any scum responses, being second in line. Oh no, it wouldn't have because you never were. You confuse me totally. Noone jumped on a wagon for you and you seem to just be baiting everyone, it might be good play though if you are Town and fishing.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Mad Mage

And did that gain any scum responses, being second in line. Oh no, it wouldn't have because you never were. You confuse me totally. Noone jumped on a wagon for you and you seem to just be baiting everyone, it might be good play though if you are Town and fishing.

I was town and fishing.

Why would I intentionally ask to set myself up to be the alternate lynch target when things could have swung to me at any moment?

Why would I discourage power use on me when they wouldn't help town anyway? Scum-me with my powers would have WANTED as many powers coming his way, so as to reduce the chance of powers being directed at buddies to begin with.

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

I was town and fishing.

Why would I intentionally ask to set myself up to be the alternate lynch target when things could have swung to me at any moment?

Why would I discourage power use on me when they wouldn't help town anyway? Scum-me with my powers would have WANTED as many powers coming his way, so as to reduce the chance of powers being directed at buddies to begin with.

Okay, I think, but scum would also discourage power usage on them? Sorry, it's late and I do think you are Town, at the moment, and why would scum want to catch a scum when they already know the answer to that. Does that make sense?

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Mad Mage

Okay, I think, but scum would also discourage power usage on them? Sorry, it's late and I do think you are Town, at the moment, and why would scum want to catch a scum when they already know the answer to that. Does that make sense?

No. But I'll think on it some more. You make it sound like your questions come from a towny place, so I'll reassess.

[PurpleWorm]

Sorry I missed start of day. I had stuff to do and then another 13 inning baseball game to suffer through.

I was ready to vote Bahamut toDay, but the explanation of Telepathy power being a 1-shot makes sense. Kudos to Erinyes for figuring it out. And I'm still not sure about Bahamut's motive in keeping it a secret.

Gelatinous Cube, can you tell us what you did N1 and N3?

Alan, ??? Why did you single me out?

I have no idea what to make of Owlbear. Townie making a series of bad decisions? Or scum trying to look too scummy to be scum?

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by PurpleWorm

Sorry I missed start of day. I had stuff to do and then another 13 inning baseball game to suffer through.

I was ready to vote Bahamut toDay, but the explanation of Telepathy power being a 1-shot makes sense. Kudos to Erinyes for figuring it out. And I'm still not sure about Bahamut's motive in keeping it a secret.

Gelatinous Cube, can you tell us what you did N1 and N3?

Alan, ??? Why did you single me out?

I have no idea what to make of Owlbear. Townie making a series of bad decisions? Or scum trying to look too scummy to be scum?

You were on the bottom of the list. If anyone could get through, it would be been you. Did you ever end up using a power on me and were you ever redirected?