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Old 17th August 2015, 02:30 AM
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Sario has died.

He was Athanasios Diakos, town self clearer (who would die a cycle after he used his power).

Askthepizzaguy has died. He was a recruited Mafia goon.

5 days for day.
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Old 17th August 2015, 03:33 AM
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Now that's worth a dance!

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Old 17th August 2015, 04:09 AM
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I didn't think it possible, but I'm more confused than ever now.
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Old 17th August 2015, 04:47 AM
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Askthepizzaguy has died. He was a recruited Mafia goon.
Holy cow. That means he pushed a lynch on his buddy mahaloth.

vote Lightfoot
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Old 17th August 2015, 05:41 AM
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I'm so confused.

Did I die due to my power, or was I NKed?

Go town!!!!
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Old 17th August 2015, 06:17 AM
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I fought so hard.... for you.

That this would be the end for me, is truly sad.
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Old 17th August 2015, 06:24 AM
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Askthepizzaguy was formerly Socrates, but was converted to Johnhughthom

No wonder he's dead.
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Old 17th August 2015, 06:25 AM
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I am so the opposite of johnhughthom but he's a nice (?) fellow so I'm honored (?)

Guess the smiley moustache ended up fitting after all. (?)



Baffling, frustrating game.

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Old 17th August 2015, 06:55 AM
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I am so unbelievably confused it isn't funny.
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:09 AM
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Well my lunch target was killed. Back to the drawing board.

Anyone?
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:09 AM
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Lynch target
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:24 AM
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The Dead
Zeener: Town - Lynch
Lightfoot v1: Town - Lynch
Archangel: Town - NK
Maha: Scum - Lynch
Sario: Town - Autodeath
Pizza: Scum - NK - Recruited

The Living Claimed
Meeko: Claimed Cop
Lulz: Claimed Vanilla (Meeko Confirmed)
Double A: Claimed Vanilla (Meeko Confirmed)

@Meeko, any results from last Night?

The Living Unclaimed
2. SisterCoyote
5. guiri
6. Sario
8. Dizzy/Lightfoot v2
10. BillMc
12. Sooh
13. idrinkthere4iam
14. Scathach

At this point, I'm going strictly with my gut:

, explain to me why we shouldn't kill you toDay.

Also, Scathach, you know Pizza's death hasn't remotely cleared you, right?
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:45 AM
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That makes two of us, Sister C.

Now Mahaloth. Would he clear his scum mates in his posts, or would he avoid them? To me it also looks like he spewed lulz and Double A town by not questioning Meeko's cop view on them like others have.

If Pizza was recruited that means some of his game is clear town game. I was fairly certain he was town at least up until I left for London. In fact, the most significant shift in his posting came between D3 and N3. In N3 he didn't say much, in contrast to what he had done before in the game. I'll have to read more thoroughly through his posts to be sure though. If I'm right he had one Night as scum.
It might be worth thinking about in case his earlier cases make sense. He did an awful lot of work there, so if we can use it for something we should.

I have a few people that I want to go back and case.
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:55 AM
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Also, Scathach, you know Pizza's death hasn't remotely cleared you, right?
I never suggested it would. Also - I should be in the claimed list, vanilla jason of the argonauts.

I'm not sure sario auto deathed - hopefully scum wasted their NK on him not knowing that he would die this cycle anyway. That would mean pizza could be a vig kill? (Although we already lost a town one shot vig if I'm not mistaken so there's that ). I can't fathom how pizzas death would be a scum kill but then I don't know how recruitment works this game.

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Old 17th August 2015, 07:58 AM
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So Pizza was recruited N2 or D3 ( depending on how that works)

They decided to bus Mahaloth for Town cred to get him (Pizza) to end game ?

Or do you see it another way?

Which means Scum didn’t manage a NK last Night – or they wasted .
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Old 17th August 2015, 08:01 AM
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Last night's kill was strange. Unless somebody has a mechanic where the person firing the shot is auto-killed, like a veteran perhaps? Doesn't the person trying to NK a vet die? Maybe that could explain Pizza's death?
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Scat- we have seen 2 one shot Town vigs so far this game.
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Old 17th August 2015, 08:06 AM
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Scat- we have seen 2 one shot Town vigs so far this game.
two?
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Old 17th August 2015, 08:20 AM
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Scat- we have seen 2 one shot Town vigs so far this game.
You and?
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Old 17th August 2015, 08:40 AM
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The assembly rounded up Ajax, hero of Greece and exiled him. Ajax, refusing to live under the shame, fell on his sword.

Zeener Diode was Ajax - 1 Shot BP Town.
Remember him? On re-read perhaps he was only BP one time---- no one corrected me on it when I was making my case to save LFv1

where I was certain that he was a oneshot vig as well- used it making my case even.


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Old 17th August 2015, 08:43 AM
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One shot bullet proof. Not vig
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Old 17th August 2015, 08:52 AM
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Farewell Sario and Pizza. Sario's role is quite interesting, especially in a game with recruitment, claim, potentially get recruited, join the other side and die? Sounds a bit sucky for the player but prevents a confirmed town cruising to the end as scum.

Is there a defined resolution order of night actions? Can you share it?
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Old 17th August 2015, 09:46 AM
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Mm. That's not what the mod said happened.
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Old 17th August 2015, 10:05 AM
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And neither did I, I was discussing the implications of a self-destructing role in a game with recruitment. He wasn't revealed as scum so he wasn't recruited.
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Old 17th August 2015, 02:43 PM
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The assembly rounded up Ajax, hero of Greece and exiled him. Ajax, refusing to live under the shame, fell on his sword.

Zeener Diode was Ajax - 1 Shot BP Town.
Remember him? On re-read perhaps he was only BP one time---- no one corrected me on it when I was making my case to save LFv1

where I was certain that he was a oneshot vig as well- used it making my case even.


can we lynch Lightfoot please?
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Old 17th August 2015, 04:45 PM
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The Dead
Zeener: Town - Lynch
Lightfoot v1: Town - Lynch
Archangel: Town - NK
Maha: Scum - Lynch
Sario: Town - Autodeath
Pizza: Scum - NK - Recruited

The Living Claimed
Meeko: Claimed Cop
Lulz: Claimed Vanilla (Meeko Confirmed)
Double A: Claimed Vanilla (Meeko Confirmed)

@Meeko, any results from last Night?

The Living Unclaimed
2. SisterCoyote
5. guiri
6. Sario
8. Dizzy/Lightfoot v2
10. BillMc
12. Sooh
13. idrinkthere4iam
14. Scathach

At this point, I'm going strictly with my gut:

, explain to me why we shouldn't kill you toDay.

Also, Scathach, you know Pizza's death hasn't remotely cleared you, right?
I investigated Pizza last night.
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Old 17th August 2015, 04:46 PM
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I investigated Pizza last night.
What were your results?
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:00 PM
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I investigated Pizza last night.
What were your results?
And if I told you that I didn't get any?
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:03 PM
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And if I told you that I didn't get any?
That's what she said.
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Old 17th August 2015, 07:12 PM
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Remember him? On re-read perhaps he was only BP one time---- no one corrected me on it when I was making my case to save LFv1

where I was certain that he was a oneshot vig as well- used it making my case even.


can we lynch Lightfoot please?
I would ask you why but I wager you would not reply.


LFv1 went on about it when they were being lynched- and claimed-- no one corrected that misconception- so that was the thought I had stuck in me head.

What is your take on the results of this past Night? hast thou thoughts?
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Old 17th August 2015, 09:45 PM
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Okay, since Pizza was recruited I guess the scum tried to recruit or scan someone N1. It'd be weird if they couldn't scan for recruits. I'd say 1-2 starting scum and probably not too many more recruits.

I'd wager that Mahaloth was the recruiter.

Pizza had been pushing for Scathach nearly all game. Working off of Sooh's theory, that would mean townie Pizza proposed that Scath is scum. I don't know if that's enough for me to vote for her, though, cause Pizza was also adamant about lynching Lightfoot.

and that's all the analysis I have in me what the fuck is going on
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Old 17th August 2015, 09:55 PM
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Okay, since Pizza was recruited I guess the scum tried to recruit or scan someone N1. It'd be weird if they couldn't scan for recruits. I'd say 1-2 starting scum and probably not too many more recruits.

I'd wager that Mahaloth was the recruiter.

Pizza had been pushing for Scathach nearly all game. Working off of Sooh's theory, that would mean townie Pizza proposed that Scath is scum. I don't know if that's enough for me to vote for her, though, cause Pizza was also adamant about lynching Lightfoot.

and that's all the analysis I have in me what the fuck is going on
ATPG was adamant about making a tie when it came to Lightfoot v1 but miscalculated the VoteCount. I agree that ATPG was likely recruited the same night he was killed. That hop onto MAHA looked real and that last minute challenge to me looked real.
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Old 18th August 2015, 12:12 AM
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ATPG was adamant about making a tie when it came to Lightfoot v1 but miscalculated the VoteCount. I agree that ATPG was likely recruited the same night he was killed. That hop onto MAHA looked real and that last minute challenge to me looked real.
Really? yet at the start of d3 we have the mod message saying the titans are now at full strength. if pizza was recruited last night and killed the same night, then that would imply that the titan's could continue to recruit.

I'm leaning toward lightfootv2 being town, as it doesn't seem likely that a scum v2 would continue to make the same "two vig" mistake.
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Old 18th August 2015, 01:27 AM
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Farewell Sario and Pizza. Sario's role is quite interesting, especially in a game with recruitment, claim, potentially get recruited, join the other side and die? Sounds a bit sucky for the player but prevents a confirmed town cruising to the end as scum.

Is there a defined resolution order of night actions? Can you share it?
Every game has a defined resolution of actions, and no I can't.
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Old 18th August 2015, 04:15 AM
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How does everyone feel about Sister C and Idrink?

I kind of want to leave Lulz and Double A alone today, and I feel like Guiri has done quite a bit of solving.

I didn't like Dizzie, so I'm going to watch closely what Lightfoot does in her place.

Bill, I have no clue. He could go either way for me, but perhaps some of the things he points out are more favorable for town to know than scum.

At this point
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Old 18th August 2015, 08:10 AM
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Well my lunch target was killed. Back to the drawing board.

Anyone?
You wanted to lynch Sario? Really?
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And if I told you that I didn't get any?
Is that a hypothetical, or did you not receive any results? I'm presuming you are not going to answer the other questions about your results on lulz and Double A, right?

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LFv1 went on about it when they were being lynched- and claimed-- no one corrected that misconception- so that was the thought I had stuck in me head.
I certainly didn't make that connection, this was your post:
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I am a one shot vig
I didn’t use my one shot last Night for two reasons- When Zeener was revealed as a one shot BP Town
I reasoned that there were others too
If you thought Zeener was a one-shot vig, then you'd have had more reason to shoot N1, not less. I figured you were referring to his "one shot" power.

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Really? yet at the start of d3 we have the mod message saying the titans are now at full strength. if pizza was recruited last night and killed the same night, then that would imply that the titan's could continue to recruit.
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Every game has a defined resolution of actions, and no I can't.
OK, I was wondering if recruitment is resolved before or after kills, I think it's usually after which would indicate that Pizza was recruited before N3, which matches Bill's deduction above.

Assuming Pizza was recruited D1/N1

Day 1
Zeener Diode (6): Meeko (63), Lulz (180), idrinkthere4iam (205), Double A (209), guiri (236), Askthepizzaguy (238)
Lulz (5): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141), BillMc (235)
Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)[236]
Askthepizzaguy (1): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34)[235], SisterCoyote (99)
No vote (2): Sooh, Sario

Day 2
Lightfoot (5): lulz (45)[63], lulz (100), Sooh (124), Askthepizzaguy (136), SisterCoyote (178), guiri (211)
Lulz (3): SisterCoyote (25)[73], Dizzymrslizzy (35), LightFoot (38), Mahaloth (39), Archangel (112)[134]
Double A (2): idrinkthere4iam (18), guiri (67)[211], Scáthach (109), SisterCoyote (111)[178]
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (26)[81], Double A (117), Sario (158)
Sooh (1): Meeko (44)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Archangel (34)[112], Archangel (135)
Archangel (1): BillMc (171)

Day 3
Mahaloth (5): SisterCoyote (167), Double A (179), Askthepizzaguy (189)[199], Sooh (193), guiri (198), Askthepizzaguy (201)
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (3)[189], Sooh (6)[193], Sario (17), SisterCoyote (23)[167], Double A (150)[179], lulz (188), Askthepizzaguy (199)[201]
Askthepizzaguy (2): Light_v2.0 (110), Scáthach (168)
Light_v2.0 (1): Mahaloth (138)
No vote (3): Meeko, BillMc, Drinkie



Assuming Pizza was recruited D2/N2

Day 1
Zeener Diode (6): Meeko (63), Lulz (180), idrinkthere4iam (205), Double A (209), guiri (236), Askthepizzaguy (238)
Lulz (5): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141), BillMc (235)
Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)[236]
Askthepizzaguy (1): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34)[235], SisterCoyote (99)
No vote (2): Sooh, Sario

Day 2
Lightfoot (5): lulz (45)[63], lulz (100), Sooh (124), Askthepizzaguy (136), SisterCoyote (178), guiri (211)
Lulz (3): SisterCoyote (25)[73], Dizzymrslizzy (35), LightFoot (38), Mahaloth (39), Archangel (112)[134]
Double A (2): idrinkthere4iam (18), guiri (67)[211], Scáthach (109), SisterCoyote (111)[178]
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (26)[81], Double A (117), Sario (158)
Sooh (1): Meeko (44)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Archangel (34)[112], Archangel (135)
Archangel (1): BillMc (171)

Day 3
Mahaloth (5): SisterCoyote (167), Double A (179), Askthepizzaguy (189)[199], Sooh (193), guiri (198), Askthepizzaguy (201)
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (3)[189], Sooh (6)[193], Sario (17), SisterCoyote (23)[167], Double A (150)[179], lulz (188), Askthepizzaguy (199)[201]
Askthepizzaguy (2): Light_v2.0 (110), Scáthach (168)
Light_v2.0 (1): Mahaloth (138)
No vote (3): Meeko, BillMc, Drinkie



The Living Unclaimed
2. SisterCoyote Pizza, Lightfoot, Maha
5. guiri Zeener, Lightfoot, Maha
8. Dizzy/Light Lulz, Lulz, Pizza
10. BillMc Lulz, Archangel, no vote
12. Sooh no vote, Lightfoot, Maha
13. idrinkthere Zeener, Double A, no vote
14. Scathach Double A, Double A, Pizza

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How does everyone feel about Sister C and Idrink?
Sister Coyote was instrumental in the Mahaloth lynch. Don't have a strong feeling about Drinkie right now, need to review.
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I kind of want to leave Lulz and Double A alone today, and I feel like Guiri has done quite a bit of solving.
I realise I eventually moved my vote, and I know you were traveling, but I thought you'd respond to my case and vote on you yesterDay.
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Old 18th August 2015, 08:22 AM
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Sooh (1): SisterCoyote (12)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Sooh (35)
Lightfoot (1): lulz (4)
If you want, you can paste this as well:

Voting History:
post #4: lulz voted Lightfoot
post #12: SisterCoyote voted Sooh
post #35: Sooh voted Idrinkthere4iam
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Old 18th August 2015, 09:16 AM
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I investigated ATPG, I did not receive results.
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Old 18th August 2015, 09:19 AM
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I kind of want to leave Lulz and Double A alone today, and I feel like Guiri has done quite a bit of solving.
I realise I eventually moved my vote, and I know you were traveling, but I thought you'd respond to my case and vote on you yesterDay.
When you voted me because I didn't say anything about Pizza's case on Scathach?

I didn't mention it anymore, because I realized I must have dreamt up the whole thing. I didn't find the case I was looking for.

I was never sure on Scathach, still am not, so I was glad when the lynch moved to Mahaloth. He seemed like a better candidate for me. I did vote Scathach in order to get a better read on Pizza and other people in the game. Also I didn't have the time or opportunity to make my own case yesterDay, so I wanted to sheep my best town read. Obviously I may have been wrong about him being town at that point.
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Well my lunch target was killed. Back to the drawing board.

Anyone?
You wanted to lynch Sario? Really?
No. I wanted to lynch pizza.
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Old 18th August 2015, 11:50 AM
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I need to do some digging but probably won't be back to this until tomorrow some time.
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Guiri can you tell me how you were able to solve the cypher so quickly?

looking back I think Pizza was the one sending them- and he was I believe recruited by that time.

scathach same question- with the added bit that you didn't notice that Guiri already had and you did it from the taptalk thing that you stated was so difficult to make elaborate posts from?
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Question - can @Meeko or someone else clear up whether Meeko definitively said that he had investigated Double A and lulz as town or was it just as vanilla? I thought he said town, but going back and rereading he only clearly says vanilla?
(by someone else - I mean if someone has a link to a post where Meeko says exactly what he meant)

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scathach same question- with the added bit that you didn't notice that Guiri already had and you did it from the taptalk thing that you stated was so difficult to make elaborate posts from?
Sure - it looked very much like a caesar cipher so I tried an online websolver for it. I picked 13 as the key because rot13 is a fairly famous special case of caesar cipher (if it hadn't been 13 I could have brute forced it by trying 1-25 in order). 13 gave me a bunch of obviously latin stuff - google translate then gave the result. It was easy to do on my phone because it's just copy pasting without any real typing.
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I had also figured it was some sort of ROT13 based cypher but didn't have time to do it myself before others did it.

Which is a defense neither of scathach nor guiri.
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Guiri can you tell me how you were able to solve the cypher so quickly?
I cheated. I copied the first four words into Google and the first result was from geocaching.com. Right next to Additional Hints you can see the Decryption Key and there's even a handy Decrypt button. Then I googled the first four words of that text and the first result was the lipsum website. I'd estimate it took about 15 seconds in total!
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Guiri can you tell me how you were able to solve the cypher so quickly?
I cheated. I copied the first four words into Google and the first result was from geocaching.com. Right next to Additional Hints you can see the Decryption Key and there's even a handy Decrypt button. Then I googled the first four words of that text and the first result was the lipsum website. I'd estimate it took about 15 seconds in total!
I received precisely the same results with your method
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I re-read D3 with a Pizza is Scum in mind.
ATPG yesterDay ( assumed recruited at this point)
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Sario (modconfirm)- innocent child
Myself- vanilla

Lulz (by Meeko) Nilla wafer
Double A (by Meeko) Nilla wafer

Meeko (by uncountered cop claim)

Sooh- solving
Guiri- taking risks


SisCoy
Bill


Dizzy- pass until subbed
Drink

Mahaloth
Scathach
That's where I'm at.

The inertia of the game should continue forward in this direction.

Villagers inside my Red or Orange who have no passes need to show their villageness or we are going to lose the game.

Those are your options. I did my best, if this is wrong, then I accept my fair share of the blame for this team collapsing. But I was not alone.
the coding on this is weird but not an issue
Pizza was pushing hard for Scathach's lynch for 2 days- started again Day 3- pretty much had it- changed to Mahaloth- succeeded-
Did Pizza change the push to get Town cred- because Mahaloth was OK with it and Scat wasn't
could both of Pizza's Scum leans actually be Scum ? Is one of his 'clears' Scum? Scum had to have agreed to this ploy- right?


I think Pizza thought/hoped he would breeze through the rest of the game with Town cred from the Maha lynch - He would have had to followed through with Scat toDay and if Scum that would not have worked- so Scat is looking more Town to me
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rephrased- I don't think Pizza thought for a minute that he would be NK'd so his comments after his recruitment and the birth of the 'plan for cred' have clues to who he was going to mislynch after he got his hero card.


Back to find his LyLo comment and check the timing of that.



I will likely be in and out - death in the family and other bad news-
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I think ATPG was recruited the same night he was shot. I think if he was recruited earlier then he would have actually tried to defend Maha in some way or tried to come up with an excuse to justify a "not scum" read on Maha.

Real question...

If there is another one-shot vig out there should they claim?
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I think ATPG was recruited the same night he was shot. I think if he was recruited earlier then he would have actually tried to defend Maha in some way or tried to come up with an excuse to justify a "not scum" read on Maha.
Horsehockey. Pizza will do what Pizza does, and also cf the Mod's comment already quoted toDay.

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Real question...

If there is another one-shot vig out there should they claim?
No.



I've been suspicious of your play for days now and this seals it for me. Also, even if I'm wrong (which I don't think I am), your flip will tell us something about Meeko, if not Double A.
 


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