Yeetmas 3 - Day 4 All I want for Xmas is another chance to get this right.

[Silverjan]

Vanta, I said I would come back to you about my feelings on pizza. I think it had something to do with his change of attitude towards me, I always respond to a bit of flattery or positivity It might just be an ego thing for me. I am still not 100% convinced he is Town because he can be very manipulative so I am still very wary of him.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I shot Dizzy.

Gotta say...nothing to do with Dizzy's play, all based on Shep's earlier play. And I don't know who else might have aimed at Dizzy as it kind of looks like at least one other faction did.

Perhaps both scum teams wanted you dead, that would be the most obvious solution to me.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Perhaps both scum teams wanted you dead, that would be the most obvious solution to me.

Neta: Why didn't scum shoot at Pleo if he is who he claims he is, surely scum would have known that the doc would protect either Prof or Vanta?

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

We could also hit the Mariah Godfather because then their doc wouldn't have anyone to protect, unless they can self protect.

We would have to hit them today. That would be nice. The doc, if still there toNight, can still protect the GF, if still there toNight. The docs canNOT self-protect.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Perhaps both scum teams wanted you dead, that would be the most obvious solution to me.

I'm sure they did! I'll bet there's a lot of people both teams want dead about now.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Vanta, I said I would come back to you about my feelings on pizza. I think it had something to do with his change of attitude towards me, I always respond to a bit of flattery or positivity It might just be an ego thing for me. I am still not 100% convinced he is Town because he can be very manipulative so I am still very wary of him.

Thanks!

I am also not 100% convinced, but getting closer, because I don't see how his play so far would benefit any scum team. But this is pizza who kind of understands the game on a molecular level and has even bragged about winning despite bussing everyone else on his scum team, so...

The only person I am 100% convinced is town, is me. I'm about 99% on Prof. P though.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Prof your result does tell us Mord is not the Scum Doctor of the Mariah faction.

I know this is a duh, but to help Vanta Black shoot, while Mordenkainen remains one of my top suspects, it's better to hit specifically the Scum Doctor of the Mariah faction.

Because he didnt come back guilty he cannot be that specific role.

I am still down to shoot Mord tonight or tomorrow night. Vanta will still be alive tomorrow night minimum and thats hilarious.

Oh let's take out one of the Mariahs. I think Bashorian Clement is one. I don't know why--partly his defense of Archangel which he did even after she flipped. I'll look into that.

It's gonna sound strange, but I also think Meeko needs some pressure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Pizza

I'm not reading your posts.

I get why.

Look, 90-95 percent of the things I type are to help me solve, and then I have a post here and there where I have a finding I want to present to others.

I will absolutely try to make my findings presentable and easier to understand when I have them.

This is the long explanation you're looking to skip, but its here to be read for those who want it.

To give you an idea where my mind is at right now, I know there are three safe targets that I need to hit, and ideally, they should be hit without any mistakes even though it is now possible to make a mistake and still win for town, because Vanta stayed alive so Vanta gets 2 more shots period. Not only that, scum doctors shouldnt be much of a problem anymore, especially since Prof P proved both you, Meeko, and Mordenkainen are not scum doctors at the very least. That means anyone who can be a scum doctor should be named Bashorian Clement, Silverjan, Gnarlycharlie, or Suburban Plankton. However, what I know about Suburban Plankton is that lots of folks called for him to be vig shot. He is unlikely to actually be the scum doctor we're looking for, and it wouldn't be a gambit because he wouldn't have been protected because he IS the doctor we need to kill, and they can't self protect. So that means the scum doctor remaining is always Silverjan, BC, or Gnarlycharlie. I looked over Jan and she doesn't look like it, because she played day one exactly as if she had no freaking idea Archangel was about to die and flip Mariah team, which Silverjan would have to know, because the scum doctor remaining is Mariah Team aligned. So Silverjan is also probably not the Mariah team scum doctor. Most specifically, Silverjan was so totally beyond relaxed all day day one and not tense in a manner I have ever seen from her, when she is scum at all, and especially if she had a mate under pressure in a setup like this where you almost always don't win the game if you lose a teammate that day. Now, I can think Mordenkainen is wildly scummy, but do you see how many names on my notebook I can cross off as being the Mariah team scum doctor in terms of impossibility, (Prof P, Vanta Black, Meeko, myself, Mordenkainen) followed by not that likely if I can read Jan at all (Silverjan)? Also, Pleonast doesn't make much sense as Mariah Team scum doctor when claiming to be the town doctor either. Because that just draws murders to Pleonast, and Pleo would usually die. So if, if Pleonast were just pretending, that's still not a viable idea. He could only be a godfather right now or the town doc, and he hasn't been counterclaimed. I know for a fact the Mariah Team Scum Doctor is not me. I got the pizzaguy card which says Mall Santa something or other.

So here is the summary of all that.

Askthepizzaguy- Never the Mariah team Scum Doctor.
Mordenkainen- reads scummy, but Prof P proved he is not the Scum Doctor.
Meeko- Prof P also proved he is not the Scum Doctor.
Vanta- Should always be the Vig, therefore not the Scum Doctor.
Prof P- Should always be the cop, therefore not the Scum Doctor.
Pleonast- The Scum Doctor wouldn't be drawing murders to himself last night. Hasnt been counterclaimed yet either.
--------------tier----------------

Suburban Plankton- Would not be recommended for the vig shot by so many people I suspect if he were the scum doctor of the Mariah faction, because the Scum Doctor cannot self protect. Because of the circumstances, while this is somehow still possible, it isn't because someone fooled me. It could only be because that's the role he randed and then did nothing with it and exactly only the people who didnt say vig this person could be the Mariah Team Doctor. So I deem this excessively unlikely. Silverjan- by cold read, does not look like the Mariah faction Scum Doctor on Day One of this game. She was super relaxed, not tense, and I feel like she is always tense as scum on day one, and she genuinely did not seem to know Archangel was about to flip scum. This is the only name on the list that can still be the Scum Doctor by actively fooling me with great play. And my read here is that Jan didn't fool me. If she did then great. Her play YesterDay phase doesn't match that either, particularly near the end. But this is all a guess, and if I am guessing wrong on any of my other suspects and calling a townie a scumbag, then Jan is really really really often a scum. So she isn't clear. I just can't say she is the best choice today, because I can see three scumbags minimum outside of her body.

So almost never Suburban Plankton and rarely if not impossibly Silverjan.

That's literally 8 names who shouldnt be the Mariah Team Scum Doctor.

Who else is left?

Askthepizzaguy
Meeko
Mordenkainen
Pleonast
Prof. Pepperwinkle
SilverJan
Suburban Plankton
Vanta Black
Bashorian Clement
gnarlycharlie

So you can kinda guess why I've spent all day deeply peering into Gnarly's soul and saying if he doesnt participate today I am yeeting him into the sun, and why I am currently yeeting Bashorian Clement into the sun.

Except I don't want to miss.

Even though that's a 50/50 call when everything else I just assumed or processed and factored into it is correct, guess what.

I hate to effing miss.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can't say Gnarlycharlie is town on that deep dive.

What I can say is that Mordenkainen, who I think is very often scum,
Bashorian Clement who is very often scum,
And Suburban Plankton who I think is town dead weight,
are all extremely unlikely to be partnered with Guiri due to that iso I did.

If Gnarlycharlie is scum, he is unlikely to be partnered with almost everyone I think is scum, and the Mariah Team Scum Doctor has a live partner, period.

And since I strongly don't read Silverjan as Mariah Team specifically at the moment due to her day one, it's hard for a different reason to say Gnarly and Silverjan are the Mariah Team.

It's quite difficult to make that assessment.

So literally everyone I suspect doesn't appear to be partnered with Gnarlycharlie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, according to the logic I laid out, Bashorian Clement is the Mariah Team Scum Doctor.

That's a one liner conclusion. That's the one I want you to remember

@Meeko

You got me?

You can have gotten lost in the logic maze to get to this point, but I have teleported you to the end of the maze. The conclusion is supported by the couple of posts I made directly before this one.

That one is a simple, unambiguous, exhaustively supported conclusion.

Further, if I made a mistake somewhere, his iso is absolutely filthy with looking exactly like a scumbag anyway. I think the dude flips scum regardless.

But I think I have used process of elimination to tell you exactly which freakin scum he flips as.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Mordenkainen would therefore be the Mariah Team Godfather a lot.

I think Guiri/Gnarlycharlie makes sense to be the Elf Shelf Team Godfather a lot, because Guiri looks unpaired with a lot of people and shouldnt be Mariah Team atp.

And whenever either of those is wrong, you look at Silverjan for Elf Shelf Godfather.

Silverjan is the person I suspected this game outside of Bill that I think I got wrong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's it. Not only do I have all the scums narrowed down to 4 names in the main outcome I am expecting (call it "Universe A"), but I have also largely eliminated the universe (call it "Universe B") where Silverjan is the Town Doctor and Pleonast was playing us yesterday. I had to keep that Universe B in my mind as Pleonast read scummy and weird all game. But I see Universe A containing these 3 scums in these 3 positions as an exact match. For Universe B to be true, Silverjan would have to say something right now to contradict that, and I don't think it is the case, and I don't think she needs to. Pleonast hasn't been behaving like a scum team doctor specifically anyway, and that's my target today. That one gotta die. As soon as that role dies, Vanta Black becomes God.

Summary: I've basically eliminated Universe B as likely due to the outcome of last night.

Last night would have gone super differently if Universe B still existed. Therefore Silverjan could just be town but not a doctor, who recognized that if she dies last night, it is GG for town. Same as if I died last night.

I read that as a doctor going holy shit, no, dont hit me now.

But it doesnt have to be. It was basically MYLO and man that was a bad shot even if it was a vanilla townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Silverjan

Based on everything I just said in my above posts (as a spurt, can take a while to read, but read it out)

Does that absolutely match my behavior this game?

Does that solve look absolutely accurate from YOUR slot? In other words, your solve sheet with both me and you as town should absolutely match my own conclusions as well, do they not?

Not only that, can you follow why BC is the MT Scum Doctor, Mordenkainen is the MT Scum godfather, and Guirignarly is the Elf Shelf Godfather exactly?

[Askthepizzaguy]

And can everyone understand why I was so gung ho on not hitting Suburban Plankton now?

I know people always want to flip the dead weight inactive, but do you see how I was able to read it for alignment?

I "read the room", meaning, I read all my suspects and saw how THEY wanted to deal with Suburban Plankton. When they read scummy and want him dead, SP is often town.

Is that a followable line of reasoning and a reasonable solve from the point of view of a townie with zero information?

If so, it is a legitimate solve.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also very nearly made a boo boo with wanting Pleonast dead.

Dude is hard to read, what can I say. I stopped trusting him when he read nothing like vanilla townie Pleonast and didnt look like the town doctor and claimed at a bizarro time, when I suddenly had a town read on Silverjan at the same time.

Which sprung Universe B into existence. And Jan can close that Universe off in her next post by saying that Universe doesn't exist.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All possibilities have thus been settled into this most likely scenario.

The wave function of the quantum state of this game has collapsed, at least on my solve sheet. The superposition of all of the possibilities sort of looks reduced to just the one right now.

I can also explain why there should have been a missing murder last night.

Either all the scums tried to kill Vanta Black at the same time which is.... not the correct move, someone kills Pizza and then someone kills Pleonast is the correct move, and Dizzy already signalled killing Pizza.

Or a scum was inactive.

And in both scenarios, a gnarlycharlie who has not a lot of time to read the game can have made a big, big boo boo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can also explain how a kill on Pizza could have been rescinded:

I'd been calling Guiri slot town most of the game, and Vanta presented a bigger problem for the scums, and a scum team can have assumed the other scum team would hit Pleonast.

Therefore, someone can have at the last minute decided, Pizza is going to help Gnarly skate to endgame.

Therefore let's try to hit Vanta anyway, just in case the doc is covering Prof P.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And that creates a scenario where both scum teams targeted Vanta, not Pleonast, and not Pizza.

How close to home is this hitting?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have to admit it would take a remarkable coincidence of a lot of things outside of my direct control to conveniently coalesce to create the illusion that this version of events just happens to be right.

And in that scenario, Bashorian Clement flips something besides Mariah Team Scum Doctor.

And the guarantee I offered when that was wrong was we have enough time to murder me now when that's wrong. By day or night, so I ain't some protected scum either.

Those are the kinds of solves and guarantees I can offer when I am town, and this is absolutely game losing when I am scum.

That's something none of the scums can do to me. It is an asymmetrical game. It's subtle, but every single townie is absolutely stronger than every single scum in endgames. We are not equal because scums have to pretend to be town, townies do not have to pretend to be scum.

Only if that were somehow the case would the game be roughly equal for each alignment. Since it is not, everyone has to try to behave as a townie.

Which screws over the scums when they can't do the Harpo Marx and Lucille Ball routine and absolutely match the movements of every townie.



Townies can do stuff scums should never do.

If Harpo drops the hat, but has it on a string, and you do not, you cannot match the move.

Everything scums can do, town can do better. But scums cannot behave exactly the same as townies. Therefore they cannot pull off an exact mirror.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now I look like a doofus when literally any of my predictions fails to materialize.

I am prepared to look like a doofus.

That's kind of my whole bag. I am either really really smart or really stupid and I don't usually hit some kind of middle ground with that.

Who wants to see how foolish I look? Vote BC and find out how dumb I am.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My mind really cleared up after that sleep. It was right in front of me but I was in no state to reach a conclusion. It's like being drunk, sleep it off, so your head is right, before you make a big decision.

For any of the above to be wrong, all of my suspects have to name 3 scums besides themselves now, and state why those people are scum.

And, I don't think you will win a thunderdome with me personally, so you might also want to pick a name that's not Pizza.

I think that's roughly impossible for all three of you, but it is possible when any of you are town.

Like most of the rest of the game versus my slot, I have a better view of the game than they do because I know my alignment.

But if youre town you have an even BETTER view of the game than me and the game should be exactly solved from your point of view.

What is that exact solve, if you're town?

It's kind of process of elimination, so if you don't get it, you look wildly suspect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Prosecution rests.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

So unless the slim possibility occurred that both scum factions shot at whomever the Town doc protected, both scum know who the other faction's godfather is. And the Mariahs have the upper hand in eliminating the Elfs (is it Elfs because it's a proper noun? Sister C needed). But no I'm not reading that correctly because one scum faction could have shot at whomever the Town doc protected and one at the other faction's godfather. So really my initial conclusion is only true if the Mariahs shot at whomever Dizzy protected. But the Mariahs really need the Elf godfather's help at picking off townies at this point, so even if they know who it is they wouldn't lim there.

This reads exactly like BC, Mariah team aligned, is directly asking Elf Shelf to help kill townies, and a promise not to hit them for the remainder.

Also saying, if you shot at us (Mariah Team), you therefore know who our godfather is, but we know who you are by process of elimination, so we can kill you at any time. Ergo you have to cooperate or we kill you and you lose anyway.

For reference, in Fight of the Mafia I caught scums talking to each other in code when town was largely inactive and at each other's throats, so they could yeet a townie and coordinate their kills in a game where the game is largely over if they do that on day one and night one and survive day two together.

As soon as I exposed the code the scums betrayed each other and they lost.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why would scums talk to each other in such easy to read code?

A) Look at everyone besides me who read that post. None of them saw anything out of the ordinary.

B) Other scum team is reading the thread looking for such code, and the code has to be kind of really obvious otherwise it is unreadable.

C) They don't have much of a choice but to try to not kill each other when town is this strong, and if theyre in a superior position they can try for an alliance, and the other party has to accept or they lose anyway, because Mutually Assured Destruction.

As long as town doesnt spot it, its possible to improve a bad position and coordinate kills even if Mariah Team lost a person today. There would still be 2 kills in play, so that's why they can coordinate.

But I have played probably 2 dozen multiball games in my life and Ive not only done code but Ive spotted code multiple times, so I always look for code.

[Askthepizzaguy]

None of that is even a bad move.

Its all superior play but there just arent any options left on the board.

It's like if you were forced to play the losing side of a checkmate in three puzzle, instead of the computer. Your hope is that the player on the superior position blunders a won game.

You can't brute force a win from that position. You can make all of the absolute best moves and still lose. The game is asymmetrical. If town guesses right you just lose, and there's nothing you can realistically do about it except hope town decides to lose because we get distracted by a squirrel or get a wild tinfoil or whatever, and that does happen more often than you think anyway.

Don't even feel bad, the scums are largely an extension of the game host. It's a game of town guessing right, and you try to dodge when town fires at you. That's all.

You did nothing wrong. You can't even feel bad about being unable to telepathically coordinate kills optimally. That's not something you can really control, its someone else controlling that kill and making choices you can't control. It's not a symmetrical game when youre not in control of either the day execution or the opposing team kill, but town does control both a day and night kill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

We could also hit the Mariah Godfather because then their doc wouldn't have anyone to protect, unless they can self protect.

And I sincerely doubt you would propose this as a move if you were Elf Shelf godfather.

You don't want to draw the aggression of the opposing scum team.

That leaves Gnarly.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I keep thinking that I am done, but I keep finding more evidence that Universe A is solved.

As soon as Jan says its not Universe B I think I am ready to proceed with town winning Universe A.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Going over it again,

Prof. P, Vanta and Pleonast are Town due to claims.
Meeko and Mord can't be the Scum Doc due to investigations.
I don't believe Pizza or Silverjan wouldn't have pushed to have the Doc NK'd.
Plankton's absence is a null, obviously.

That leaves gnarley and BC.

[Askthepizzaguy]

With scum doctors you could even leave Vanta alive and just hit 2 vanilla townies whose names are not Suburban Plankton last night, because he is inactive.

After that, you can straight up yeet Vanta Black by numbers during Day, bypassing the town doctor. The cop doesnt matter if town is in the minority, and he could report the guilty member of the opposing faction, finding their doctor for me. The vig doesnt matter if he dies during Day. The doctor cannot self protect, so he is an easy shot the night after.

That's how the scum factions could have gotten three kills between last night and ToDay, hit most of active town, killed the vig before he shoots again, killed the town doctor tonight, and the town cop doesnt matter at all, or is even potentially helpful to scums since he assists with their solve.

The only danger town presented was the fact that they had people voting and those people were voting scums.

The vanilla townies were the largest threat this game, and I knew that, and none of them died here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That plan doesn't ever work when gnarlycharlie is scum, however, because then town does have exactly the right amount of townies to win, because then gnarly is a scum inactive as opposed to a townie inactive.

If scums cannot reliably outvote town because town lost people at night and have 2 inactives during day, they have to try to kill Vanta Black and the town Doctor.

And without being able to just out themselves and say who is killing who without drawing a vig shot from Vanta Black, they had to play a guessing game as to who should shoot the doctor and whether to shoot Prof P or Vanta Black as one of them was likely to be protected.

If they each decided the other team would hit the town Doc, then they both went for one of the two other town PRs, and only one of those would be protected at a time, but one of them would be and neither team would know if the other team was hitting the other target, so those targets overlapped.

They kind of guessed the other team would hit Doctor, and then both made the same town PR choice as a target, as opposed to one and the other, guaranteeing one death.

So they both guessed exactly incorrectly.

Its also not farfetched that Dizzy realized she couldnt shoot me anymore, and therefore changed her target before deadline after trying to coordinate with the opposing team by signalling she was shooting me, which would tell the other team to shoot the town Doctor.

It is still a bit baffling that neither team would shoot the doc.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That would be explicable if Jan was doc and Mariah Team shot Pleonast and it turned out Pleonast was protected and therefore Elf Shelf Godfather.

But Jan can remove that possibility by stating it outright. I don't think it is Universe B.

But it would also explain why Dizzy was so protective of Pleonast and also agreed that Pleonast wasnt the town doctor and why Pleonast isnt doing anything right now.

So I havent locked in my guess, but Jan knows that half of the guess is wrong if it is, so I functionally only have to worry about Universe A. The game is also essentially over in Universe B, so I havent bothered with that one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jan, is Pleonast Godfather or Town Doctor?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Neta: Why didn't scum shoot at Pleo if he is who he claims he is, surely scum would have known that the doc would protect either Prof or Vanta?

Jan thinks Pleo is a Godfather on one of the two teams, not the doctor.

Which means Jan is claiming to be the town doctor.

If that is true I correctly read Jan before Day ended yesterday.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

@Silverjan

Based on everything I just said in my above posts (as a spurt, can take a while to read, but read it out)

Does that absolutely match my behavior this game?

Does that solve look absolutely accurate from YOUR slot? In other words, your solve sheet with both me and you as town should absolutely match my own conclusions as well, do they not?

Not only that, can you follow why BC is the MT Scum Doctor, Mordenkainen is the MT Scum godfather, and Guirignarly is the Elf Shelf Godfather exactly?

I do understand your reasoning except for one very important thing, Pleo is lying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

HAHAHAHA

Whenever that universe was true, I also had to be solving the game in that universe.

Essentially I have been playing two games with two different setups that both appear identical to this game.

But I have to solve them correctly in both universes and the setups are in fact different.

Holy shit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Silverjan?

Hi effing five, my friend.



Excellent non counterclaim. EXCELLENT move.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pleonast didnt get anything out of that gambit at all. All he did was out himself.

Thank god.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You see how on edge I am all the time because I am fighting like 10 battles at once and I keep having to reduce the number of universes down to a manageable amount, and solve correctly in all of them, and then make moves that do not lose for town in as many of those universes as possible, so I look like I am literally insane to everyone else?

This is why, its because scums can do like 4 different strategies and 100 different tactics and when I spot any of them I warn people not to fall for it.

So I have to solve the game out with multiple solutions all the time. Thats why it takes for freaking ever to do.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

That plan doesn't ever work when gnarlycharlie is scum, however, because then town does have exactly the right amount of townies to win, because then gnarly is a scum inactive as opposed to a townie inactive.

If scums cannot reliably outvote town because town lost people at night and have 2 inactives during day, they have to try to kill Vanta Black and the town Doctor.

And without being able to just out themselves and say who is killing who without drawing a vig shot from Vanta Black, they had to play a guessing game as to who should shoot the doctor and whether to shoot Prof P or Vanta Black as one of them was likely to be protected.

If they each decided the other team would hit the town Doc, then they both went for one of the two other town PRs, and only one of those would be protected at a time, but one of them would be and neither team would know if the other team was hitting the other target, so those targets overlapped.

They kind of guessed the other team would hit Doctor, and then both made the same town PR choice as a target, as opposed to one and the other, guaranteeing one death.

So they both guessed exactly incorrectly.

Its also not farfetched that Dizzy realized she couldnt shoot me anymore, and therefore changed her target before deadline after trying to coordinate with the opposing team by signalling she was shooting me, which would tell the other team to shoot the town Doctor.

It is still a bit baffling that neither team would shoot the doc.

It's not baffling at all if the "so called" doc was really scum and was protected. There is just no other explanation for it. Scum team 1 would protect Pleo but scum team 2 wouldn't know he was scum and so they tried to kill him, meanwhile scum team 1 tried to kill Vanta.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Three:

Originally Posted by Silverjan

YOU need Vanta to kill me. Damn it pizza, if you are Town you sure as hell don't want me dead quite yet!

This is what created Universe B.

We're living in Universe B?

Man oh man. Shenanigans happened, popcorn is ready, I am so stoked.

My tinfoil hat came true and I protected a town doctor without being a town doctor.

Jan is in a really really poor position to be claiming doctor here as scum. Its very bad.

Pleonast's claim was very forced. Prof suspected him all game, Vanta suspected him all game, the scums couldnt find the town doc all game because theyre whiffing every night.

Oh man oh man oh man we're living in the exciting universe i am laffing my butt off.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am so worried about hitting wrong that I already had Universe B in mind while calling for Jan to be shot.

I dont actually want Jan to be shot if she is the doctor.

I even said it in that post that because I had a reason, any reason, at all to believe Jan wasnt the town doctor, I needed to call for her head, since we were cross voting each other at MYLO.

So it was unlikely town wins that game even if its wrong and I changed my mind on her because she would still be voting me, town, for the loss the next day.

Jan reacted like a town doctor would so I reread her rapidly to see if it fit.

It fit enough for Pizza to not instantly believe Pleonast.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

It's not baffling at all if the "so called" doc was really scum and was protected. There is just no other explanation for it. Scum team 1 would protect Pleo but scum team 2 wouldn't know he was scum and so they tried to kill him, meanwhile scum team 1 tried to kill Vanta.

Yes, that makes much more sense.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's another big big clue:

Pleonast is not solving the game during Day
Silverjan is.

Pleonast has zero WIM right now
Silverjan is playing with WIM right now

Come on, the psychology fits Jan being townier than Pleonast.

And that means that Prof P and Vanta were right about Pleonast all game and I actually got there too and sniffed out his gambit and stopped it!

I am jumping up and down right now. This is insane. This is the best universe ever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jan you know I'd shoot you all day every day if I were scumming here.

HAHAHAHAHA amazeballs.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Jan you know I'd shoot you all day every day if I were scumming here.

HAHAHAHAHA amazeballs.

You haven't felt my frustration though.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So, according to the logic I laid out, Bashorian Clement is the Mariah Team Scum Doctor.

That's a one liner conclusion. That's the one I want you to remember

@Meeko

You got me?

You can have gotten lost in the logic maze to get to this point, but I have teleported you to the end of the maze. The conclusion is supported by the couple of posts I made directly before this one.

That one is a simple, unambiguous, exhaustively supported conclusion.

Further, if I made a mistake somewhere, his iso is absolutely filthy with looking exactly like a scumbag anyway. I think the dude flips scum regardless.

But I think I have used process of elimination to tell you exactly which freakin scum he flips as.

I'm here.

I was catching up.




1. They did have that entire ""slip"" that I pointed towards to begin with.

2. While I am still not reading a majority of your posts, obviously, I read this one, or at least, enough to quote it. [per se]

This next part is going to be interesting, gang.

There was a lingering doubt. I wanted to circle back to BC before I scrolled up (going back through the game, literally) and saw that Pizza was working on BC as well.

Even if Pizza wasn't on BC, I was debating voting BC as a form of .... insurance? I guess, that I could be wrong on Pizza.

Pizza, you are Ulterior. The problem is, I'm thinking that ultimately, that Ulteriorness is NAI, at least for you. That, or my god, you have moved heaven and earth, and then some, to carve out the niche you have in this game, to pretty much do as you damn well please. This, here later on, for this one, hasn't been a game so much as it has been, take a gasp of air where you can, and then dive back through Pizza playing with himself, but do not touch, do not engage, do not open the package, and do not get involved. You only have enough air to make it through by NOT reading pizza, let alone play the game.



And so, it is that, I can do both, and .... obviously, there is still doubt, but, marginally, I sweat this one less than voting for ACS when and how I did.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Going into night, before ACS flips scum these are my leans:

Askthepizzaguy
Prof Pepperwinkle
Vanta Black
Meeko
Gnarlyguiricharlie
Suburban Plankton
Silverjan (or) Mordenkainen (but probably not both)
Bashorian Clement
Pleonast
A Poor DizzyLizzy Gal

This was my main solve before the Pleonast claim, as he was playing like scum speaking in code all game.

When he claimed, I split the game into two possibilities, or universes.

I knew Pleonast was likely dead when he is the town doctor, so it is more obvious what town has to do when he doesn't die, therefore I put that universe as the lower priority option.

Town's solve is more straightforward there, whereas there's still a lot left to do to solve the game in the universe where Pleo is town.

In Universe A

I have to sort Jan as town if she is, and that means I am missing a scum somewhere, and to determine it is not Plankton, I have to examine everybody, all over again. That takes time.

So even though universe B solve came first, I needed to focus on Universe A solve after that. There's a limit to my time and energy so thats where I directed focus.

Jan would know what to do if I died overnight in Universe B and I felt it wasnt likely the scums would shoot into the scummy pile for town power roles.

If they did, they might shoot gnarly instead of Jan, or Mordenkainen, so Jan still had quite a bit of cover.

In Universe B

Pleonast is outed and got nothing from trying to provoke a counterclaim
He would have to unclaim before night ended to stop other team from shooting him
He would have to try to shoot one of the possibly protected people or try to hunt the doctor himself blindly
Bashorian Clement already looks outed-level guilty
And Mordenkainen also looks very guilty
And I had been calling out A Poor Dizzy Gal as being a wolf.

So that universe is already solved, and there's now still time to consider gnarlycharlie when any of it is wrong.


In Both Universe A and B

Bashorian Clement literally communicated to opposing scum team in the post I made and he's the most likely Mariah Doc by far. I have eliminated all the other options and he basically outed himself anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's only in Universe B where I have to worry about whether it is Mordenkainen or Gnarlycharlie as the last one, and I'd like to not miss even once, so I wanted Jan to clarify which universe we were in.

[Silverjan]

I would like to see Pleo killed toDay because I am fairly sure he is a Godfather, not sure which team though but perhaps an Elf. I think he might have claimed in order to out the doc last Night and to get investigated as Town. I am worried that Pleo might be a Mariah though and will be protected toNight and then we lose a chance of killing him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think Pleo votes AA and parks on her all day one as her partner.

Pleo should be Elf Shelf and thus is always vulnerable now that Dizzy died.