Masterchef Day 1- And Begin!!

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'm going to once again use those tomatoes to make gazpacho from the French Laundry cookbook.

I was asked if this was allowed. Yes, technically it is allowed… but I am not going to go looking for an ingredient list or look up the recipe… so if that recipe had whatever the secret ingredient is, or technique (if I’m looking for one in particular), then they are up a creek.

[TexCat]

Well Ok then. I'm guessing that making gazpacho is not what you are looking for. So...I'm taking that cedar box and throwing it on the grill with some beefsteak tomatoes on top to make cedar plank tomatoes.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Well Ok then. I'm guessing that making gazpacho is not what you are looking for. So...I'm taking that cedar box and throwing it on the grill with some beefsteak tomatoes on top to make cedar plank tomatoes.

I think the point is to list the ingredients and tell the preparations used to make you dish in order to - perhaps- hit the mystery bonus

[LightFoot]

fffu'd internet

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I used a bunch of tomatoes off the vine to make ketchup once and it basically just became a barbecue sauce instead.

Looking at a couple of recipes I have a feeling any attempt that I may make would result similarly. I may go for a nice pico de gallo instead.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

I’m gonna grab about three of these big heirloom tomatoes and peel ‘em, seed ‘em, and chop ‘em. Then let those bad boys rest while I chop up the rest of the stuff—about half a small white onion, all of a shallot, and the white end of a leek. Melt two tablespoons of butter in a skillet and add the onion, shallot, and leek, cook until transparent. Then add 1 tablespoon of cognac to the skillet and about ¼ cup of Madeira wine. Light it (preferably with a fireplace match). When the flames die out, put it back over medium heat, cook until reduced by half, then pour in your tomatoes, along with about a of chicken stock and some chopped fresh basil leaves. Simmer uncovered for 20 minutes, puree in a food processor or blender, strain. Whisk in one more tablespoon of butter and one more tablespoon of Madeira. Excellent over gnocchi, maybe with a pinch of grated parmesan and some freshly ground black pepper.

This sounds terrific. What do you call it?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

No Rationale?!

Does an rvs vote need rationale?

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

This sounds terrific. What do you call it?

It is good! I am a big fan of setting things on fire on the stovetop, it just does something good. Flambeed tomato sauce. It's also idiot proof so if you goof and dump in the tomatoes before you light it, you can still light it. It might even be better that way.

[Simon Templar]

Okay, we are a bit light on content at the moment so I will attempt to provide some.

BC's early vote--I think I remember him doing this before, although maybe not as the very first post on the very first day. Since he has no reason to really vote me out I'm treating it as a joke vote, although it could also be a "see who else jumps on" or "see who leaps to Simon's defense" kind of vote. No lean. (Pico de gallo?)

Mendie seems into the whole explosion thing what with a blastoff burger etc. Bit leery of her atm but it's early yet. She has a lot of posts so that's a good sign.

Pleonast--no recipe (glazed eyeballs? Okay no) I am a little suspicious of for not claiming anything. There is nothing to jump on except putting "chat" in quotes. A bit of suspicion for the vanilla townie thing.

Mahaloth (spaghetti sauce) is a player I often find hard to read. I am not leaning town at the moment. Also FOS for using canned tomatoes here, for shame. And with a cedar chest full of actual virtual tomatoes. So far, food talk, very little game talk beyond observation that it seems to be a normal game.

LightFoot (cheese and tomato sandwich with homemade tomato soup, sounds yummy) also no game content as yet.

Swammerdami (Caesar salad) has done some thinking about the game state, which I appreciate. Also helpfully provided a player list. But Swammi is a wily player so I'm reserving judgment.

And I just realized I am typing the kind of post I hate to read with a bunch of stuff about different players all lined up and threatening to become a wall. More later.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

...
Just doesn't seem like there's a good reason for this, other than IoT having one shooketh, perhaps.

What is IoT? I can usually figure these things out, but not this time.

This can also be an early scum lean.

Typically, if you're town and notice a breadcrumb or some other potential bluetell, you don't shout about it except in dire circumstances (e.g they're in danger of getting axed and don't seem to be around to defend themselves).

Then again, Simon's a completely new face to me, so I'd appreciate if anyone could cite experience with him bumbling about like this.

I didn't actually notice a breadcrumb. Pleo often claims something early D1, here he merely commented on vanilla, as it's a cooking game. And my response was also a food reference. For some reason here we don't usually come right out and say "I am a vanilla townie" which is the only thing he could have been breadcrumbing. (I don't know why we don't, generally; I don't do it because Archangel said not to.) But it did make me a bit suspicious. On the whole I like my breadcrumbs a little heartier. Crunchy, even. And still I will probably miss them.

Oh I'm not actually a new face, Simon is an alt. Possibly someone will come and agree that yes, he does a lot of bumbling around. He has only played in one other game, the same one Mendie debuted in, HOH6. About a year ago.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by guiri

Pleo could be onto something… the more gruesome the recipe (chopping, grilling, mashing, frying) the more likely the chef is evil?

Uh oh, I am in trouble, having slashed, boiled, plunged into icy water, chopped, diced, fried, and SET ON FIRE. But wait, Pleo said what?

Is that fair game? So I can say I’ll make Gordon Ramsay’s polenta with tomatoes and leave it at that? Cool!

FOS for sucking up to the chef by using one of the judges' own recipes! But as you've probably seen by now, Colby is not going to look it up. Get back here and add some more detail.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

...
And now, that I finally got Covid*, all bets are off, further.

Hope it's easy going for you and you recover quickly!

[Swammerdami]

How many recipes are we allowed to submit in one day? I just realized that salade mechouia is made from tomatoes. How could I forget that? The months when I ate at a North African restaurant almost every day were a genuine highlight of my life.

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Okay, we are a bit light on content at the moment so I will attempt to provide some.

BC's early vote--I think I remember him doing this before, although maybe not as the very first post on the very first day. Since he has no reason to really vote me out I'm treating it as a joke vote, although it could also be a "see who else jumps on" or "see who leaps to Simon's defense" kind of vote. No lean. (Pico de gallo?)

Mendie seems into the whole explosion thing what with a blastoff burger etc. Bit leery of her atm but it's early yet. She has a lot of posts so that's a good sign.

Pleonast--no recipe (glazed eyeballs? Okay no) I am a little suspicious of for not claiming anything. There is nothing to jump on except putting "chat" in quotes. A bit of suspicion for the vanilla townie thing.

Mahaloth (spaghetti sauce) is a player I often find hard to read. I am not leaning town at the moment. Also FOS for using canned tomatoes here, for shame. And with a cedar chest full of actual virtual tomatoes. So far, food talk, very little game talk beyond observation that it seems to be a normal game.

LightFoot (cheese and tomato sandwich with homemade tomato soup, sounds yummy) also no game content as yet.

Swammerdami (Caesar salad) has done some thinking about the game state, which I appreciate. Also helpfully provided a player list. But Swammi is a wily player so I'm reserving judgment.

And I just realized I am typing the kind of post I hate to read with a bunch of stuff about different players all lined up and threatening to become a wall. More later.

I like to use others' opinions as a starting point for my own accounting. But the "Swammi is a wily player" is obviously insincere — I'm often misYeeted when Town and consistently fail my teammates when Scum — and I've done no thinking at all about the game state. If Mr. Templar is indeed who I think he is, then HE is the cleverest scum in the jungle, consistently fooling me. I'll wait 2 or 3 Days before voting to Yeet him, just to better accumulate evidence.

[Colby11]

I’ll let Gordon handle this one…

Gordon heads to Texcat’s station, where the box is currently on fire… “Just what the bloody hell are you doing?”

Texcat- “Making a grilled beef steak tomato”

Gordon- “You do know that the box isn’t made to be grilled, right? And that you can only make one thing?”

Texcat- “Ummm… no I didn’t..”

Gordon- “Obviously…. I sure hope your random tomato gazpacho tastes good…”

One recipe per round, I will ignore second or third recipes.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Does an rvs vote need rationale?

RVS vote?

[guiri]

Random Vote Stage, those early joke or meta-infused votes at the start of the game to spur discussion or reactions.

[Kaiveran]

Bah

I was hoping to have at least an hour to dig in here before work today, but instead i spent that hour fighting with my aging, possibly moribund computer

[Kaiveran]

Oops miscluck

I might be able to sneak some reading in on break but won't be able to give you more juicy meaty posts until c.11 cdt

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Bah

I was hoping to have at least an hour to dig in here before work today, but instead i spent that hour fighting with my aging, possibly moribund computer

Moribund.


Oh yeah! I remember them! Lode Runner, Carmen Sandiego, and The Print Shop! [[[And Myst, somehow?]]]

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by guiri

Random Vote Stage, those early joke or meta-infused votes at the start of the game to spur discussion or reactions.

OOG :

Ok. This cuts to the quick for me. 1. This is the Eristic Widgeon vote, from the last game, immediately. Why was I not given the courtesy that RVS seems to import, in the last game? 2. Why can I not let this go? 3. No, really. Like, even as Mendie, and with advance direct and indirect knowledge given out to all of you, that I don't want to be "this" person, am I still compelled here? 4. Like, as much as I don't want to pick this up again, why am I powerless here? What is the "Correct" best practice here? And how do I ever, ever, get satisfaction from it, if I ignore it?

:: Mendie runs away sobbing ::

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Does an rvs vote need rationale?

Guess not.

[Colby11]

Vote count with 46.45 hours left

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bashorian Clement (2): guiri (46), Mahaloth (71)
Simon Templar (0): Bashorian Clement (2)[21]

[Simon Templar]

Point the first: thinks recipes could contain mafia-sign (post #15)

Point the second: did not submit recipe

Conclusion: Fears any recipe submitted could inadvertently reveal mafia-sign

This is a real vote, but it could change, depending on discussion. Will check back no later than four hours from the deadline. There are other players I might vote for and a couple I would not.

[Mendie Taoma]

Simon

Why did BC hold an immediate out of the gate vote on you?

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Simon

Why did BC hold an immediate out of the gate vote on you?

My theory. (1) joke vote (2) leftover salt from previous Simon Templar game (3) why ask me? I hadn't even posted! Nobody had! BC's was the very first post so either (1) or (2), what else could it be, and I'm leaning (1).

Two people have voted him essentially for that. I'm thinking both Mahaloth and guiri could be town, but they can't both be scum.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

My theory. (1) joke vote (2) leftover salt from previous Simon Templar game (3) why ask me? I hadn't even posted! Nobody had! BC's was the very first post so either (1) or (2), what else could it be, and I'm leaning (1).

Two people have voted him essentially for that. I'm thinking both Mahaloth and guiri could be town, but they can't both be scum.

It’s not the vote, that’s fine, and potentially meaningless, it’s the unvote before you even posted with no reasoning. Sure, it was probably a joke vote, but why unvote then, without a better place to put the vote, unless self-conscious?

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by guiri

It’s not the vote, that’s fine, and potentially meaningless, it’s the unvote before you even posted with no reasoning. Sure, it was probably a joke vote, but why unvote then, without a better place to put the vote, unless self-conscious?

guiri's comment makes sense. But did I not see some pre-game dialog (BC vs Meeko?) suggesting feelings had been hurt recently? Perhaps BC's quick unvote was a reaction to that, avoiding further bad feelings.

I have misgivings about Simon Templar, whose accusation against Pleonast seems contrived. Pleonast's failure to submit a recipe may be just a lazy oversight — a Town tell. Or maybe he's developing a hunch (and still cogitating) but not worried about that hunch being "stolen."

I will be asleep at EOD, but will try to submit a useful vote tomorrow.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Guess not.

I don't understand this vote. Mahaloth, are you saying that BC should have a reason for his vote? It seems clear to me that it was just a joke vote. I see Guiri's reasoning, which seems a little thin, but it is day one. But I don't see your reasoning at all.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Is this some kind of ...breadcrumb?

Touché!

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I used a bunch of tomatoes off the vine to make ketchup once and it basically just became a barbecue sauce instead.

Barbecue snobs like to look down on other traditions, but the boundary between bbq sauce and ketchup is a fuzzy one. And too many people take for granted how hard it is too make a good ketchup. Heinz doesn't get enough credit, especially for its "upmarket" brands like Simply.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

I think, it just speaks to the fact, that, at least we are more open with how neurodivergent we are, and we are probably divergent in similar ways.

No one is actually neurotypical--it's theoretical, like a perfect sphere. Most neurodivergent people don't realize they are.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Pleonast--no recipe (glazed eyeballs? Okay no) I am a little suspicious of for not claiming anything. There is nothing to jump on except putting "chat" in quotes. A bit of suspicion for the vanilla townie thing.

This is weirdly self-contradictory: you're suspicious of me not claiming anything while also suspicious of me claiming vanilla town. Pick a lane!

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

Pleonast's failure to submit a recipe may be just a lazy oversight — a Town tell.

Maybe I'm the only one who bothered to read the rules. We don't win a prize for a recipe, we win a prize for getting the special ingredient, dish, or technique. I've made a guess for the special ingredient (vanilla) and the technique (glazed). Still working on the dish; there's a hodge podge of choices.

[Mendie Taoma]

Mendie Post 001, MasterChef Day 1, An apology.

I'm Sorry.


It occurs to me, that even in moving at my own speed, I moved too fast. I let certain things drop, and I refocused on other things, that, frankly, I am trying to train myself away from. [Bones. Getting the final word, and in some cases, "jab" in.]

This is not Mendie.

To continue the shtick, I have not been a good raccoon gurl.

In my haste to leave "Meeko", I essentially guaranteed that I would have to answer some of his questions, and resolve a few of his issues.

We are working on this. We admit failure, and we also admit to not giving up.

I can move away from my past, at speed, or I can do so cleanly.

Not both. At least, not at the same time.

I want to be my ideal self so bad. (I'm told this pretty common among those questioning gender, and those past questioning.) I expected you all to read my mind, and go with me. At my pace.

Respectfully, regardless of Sock, Meeko or Mendie, you all rarely read my mind. I should have known better.

I will be better.

Please hold me to this standard.

----

Perhaps after this game, maybe in night phases, I will have Meeko tend to his own unfinished business. Obviously, up and until this point, Mendie could not do both Meeko and Mendie things.

---

I remain amazed that I completely forgot all of the frameworks (The title for this post, as an example) snd other ... Devices, that I wanted to try out with Mendie. This should inform, again, how far I've strayed.

In forcing my self to, and through routine, I hope to be a better player. ... Again, a hop, skip, and jump (perhaps a very big jump) away from this, are _some_ of my motivations that get me to where I am in my questioning of my gender. It's counterintuitive in places, and too good to be true, in others.

I digress.

---

A second "device" I want to bring forward in this post is that of the "Page Pet". A person who I think needs extra love and attention, at this phase in the game.

Oh, alright, a page pet needs extra attention, only.

A page pet does not guarantee a vote. Most often, however, it will come with a vote on the same.

---

Today's page pet is Bashorian Clement.

Usually, I will explain and use multiple pieces of evidence to support my page pet.

But. We all know why.

[Mahaloth]

Uh, I was just putting a no-reason vote. I don't actually have any suspects here and I don't think we need a train/bandwagon buildng up here.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

So basically Day 1:

We have a couple of joke votes

We have votes on the joke voter

We are questioning life.

Pleo maybe claimed vanilla, but not in his usually fashion.

And we started a train on BC that Mahaloth is now scared of.

I’m not really sure there’s anything of merit here.

[Kaiveran]

welp...I was so beat up from a last-minute rush at work that I don't even remember flopping onto the couch to sleep for 11~12 hours.

On the bright side, it's the first decent sleep I've gotten in a long time, and in conjunction with a soon-to-be-finished delicious brunch I will be ready to carpe some serious diem.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

...
I have misgivings about Simon Templar, whose accusation against Pleonast seems contrived. Pleonast's failure to submit a recipe may be just a lazy oversight — a Town tell. Or maybe he's developing a hunch (and still cogitating) but not worried about that hunch being "stolen."

I will be asleep at EOD, but will try to submit a useful vote tomorrow.

First of all, how does it seem contrived? Second of all, if it does sound contrived it is perhaps because I composed the post, tried to send it, and my internet fitzed out. So I had to log off, reboot, log back into my VPN, log back into the board, and retype the post, and I was very irritated. Stuff rewritten because it gets lost is never as good as the first time.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Maybe I'm the only one who bothered to read the rules. We don't win a prize for a recipe, we win a prize for getting the special ingredient, dish, or technique. I've made a guess for the special ingredient (vanilla) and the technique (glazed). Still working on the dish; there's a hodge podge of choices.

Hey, Swammi, if you thought my post seemed contrived, what do you think of this?

(I'm thinking, tomato donuts?)

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So basically Day 1:

We have a couple of joke votes

We have votes on the joke voter

We are questioning life.

Pleo maybe claimed vanilla, but not in his usually fashion.

And we started a train on BC that Mahaloth is now scared of.

I’m not really sure there’s anything of merit here.

Nice assessment. Like.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

That's fine, I haven't known what mine was doing for the past month.

And now, that I finally got Covid*, all bets are off, further.

Yeesh. I'm sure many other people have said something like this already, but best of wishes on your recovery.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Mendie. That’s the common quarantine these days with Ba.4 and Ba.5

5 days from symptoms or test of quarantine, and then you can go out in the world wearing a mask for an additional 5 days

Yeah, I think we both know this, and I think we both call bullshit. I could go into all the ways that CDC "guidelines" have been wrenched away from clinical best-practices for the whims of the scum on top. But I won't, for the sake of thread health and my own sanity.

Now, to enter ~Interlinear Time~

Originally Posted by guiri

Pleo could be onto something… the more gruesome the recipe (chopping, grilling, mashing, frying) the more likely the chef is evil?

What makes you say this, guiri? I know this is but one reach at a very reachy stage of the game, but the tone here comes across as serious.

Pleo doesn’t usually breadcrumb, he just claims in his first post, except when he doesn’t.

Good to know, I suppose.

<snipping more conversational stuff>

It’s crazy how often a gut read from a page 1 post turns out to be true. Well, could be confirmation bias, but off the top of my head I remember a good few. The challenge is when no-one shares that gut read and you have to step back and wait for the player to do something, but you’ve already shown your hand.

Nice to play with you again, hope you’re town this time.

Cheah, maybe it might have been wiser to hold on to that one for a while, and maybe in other circumstances I'd have recalled that principle, but things were (and apparently still are) moving at the pace of a sedated snail, so I felt the need to just throw any observations I had out there.

And likewise, for sure. I don't think I'll disappoint you this time.

<snoipes>

I think the rvs vote/unvote is worthy of a proper vote.



Cool, I guess. I'm just worried that, at the rate things are going, this just turns into something like the classic "massive stupidwagon on LHF D1" canard, which tells us precious little about the gamestate even if we do bink a wolf. But better than nothing?

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Mendie can't answer this.

Kaiveran, this is all yours, if you think it's relevant. I believe we had a common mind here, as far as, in general, our guarding against preferential treatment of each other goes, in a game that is two games old now.

Yeah, I had a bit of a brain fart there, I meant me pocketing Meeko (b/c I was the guilty party in that game).

I am warming up to the "snuggling" terminology though, as 1) I do very much enjoy a good snuggle session, and 2) it speaks more about the reciprocity that these relationships often have, or appear to have.

I still feel the sting of that D2, honestly, even though it was absolutely correct play.

But yeah, when you and another player have a good bit in common and/or are visibly on the same wavelength, you will tend to like them. You will tend to trust them more than you would otherwise, and be less receptive to evidence against them. It's basic psychology. So I think it makes sense for this to be a continuing front-of-mind concern. We gotta make this all good sport, after all.

(second page incoming)

[Mahaloth]

Everyone has posted at this point(I just checked).

Of the two lowest posters, Dizzy comes off pretty good because of the day 1 overview post, which seems pretty good.

I have to give Lightfoot credit as well since it was LF that pointed out to me that I needed to post the "what you do with the ingredients" portion of the recipe. I had somehow missed that was important, thought the whole thing was ingredient based.

Anyway, I wouldn't support execute the lurker in this game because both of the two lowest posters are not just posting pure fluff or anything.

No new leads, but at least an examination. I guess Lightfoot hasn't been too helpful aside from telling me to post my "recipe directions" or whatever they are called?

[guiri]

No, absolutely meant that chopping and dicing being >rand scum as a humorous throwaway comment. I doubt there are any recipes that don’t involve some sort of violence against the ingredients or that a townie would be more inclined to steer away from those verbs. I’ll add a smiley face or something next time

As for my vote, yes, it’s weak sauce, but I don’t agree that even if BC flipped scum we’d learn nothing. Not as much as a Day full of accusations, interactions, and reactions back and forth, sure.

The game is quiet, but having just come off a couple of mad games on another site, this pace suits me just fine.

[Pleonast]

Gut or otherwise feels so far:

Scummish
Mahaloth
Kaiveran
Texcat

Neutralish
Swammi
Mendie Taoma
Lightfoot
Guiri

Townish
Bashorian Clement
Dizzymrslizzy
Simon Templar

I'll start off here

but will switch to others as needed.

[guiri]

@Mahaloth. The credit for Lightfoot is because it was townie of her to give you a chance to win the extra powers, right?

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I think the point is to list the ingredients and tell the preparations used to make you dish in order to - perhaps- hit the mystery bonus

Originally Posted by LightFoot

fffu'd internet

Not entirely sure of the meaning here, but I can hazard a good guess. Hope you're better able to participate soon, LF.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Does an rvs vote need rationale?

No, but I'm of the firm belief that subsequent votes/unvotes should have at least some.

If you didn't feel confident in any option and/or didn't want your vote lingering on Simon for whatever reason, I couldn't understand that. But not voicing any concerns and apparently trying to move on like it never happened doesn't seem like a town move.

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

What is IoT? I can usually figure these things out, but not this time.

Illusion of Transparency. Read all about it here. It's something that wolves struggle with a lot, in my experience.

This is in contrast to the other IoT, the Internet of Things...which, like, I don't think I've seen someone not struggle with. But I digress.

I didn't actually notice a breadcrumb. Pleo often claims something early D1, here he merely commented on vanilla, as it's a cooking game. And my response was also a food reference. For some reason here we don't usually come right out and say "I am a vanilla townie" which is the only thing he could have been breadcrumbing. (I don't know why we don't, generally; I don't do it because Archangel said not to.) But it did make me a bit suspicious. On the whole I like my breadcrumbs a little heartier. Crunchy, even. And still I will probably miss them.

(Emphasis mine)

Well, the reason we don't usually do this is because (usually) we have Power Roles (which I call "Blues" due to my upbringing) which can be helpful in catching the scums and/or otherwise thwarting their efforts. Now usually, the big worry for townies is that the Special Snowflakes claim/crumb/ let slip too obviously and too early, making them a big honkin' target for the wolves. But letting slip that you're vanilla is also dangerous. If there's no role information out there, wolves are shooting in the dark and just hoping that they hit one of those pesky power roles. Someone credibly claiming vanilla narrows the pool of potential power roles by 1, and thus increases the odds of the scum hitting one.

It's like if they were hunting them in a dark patch of woods, and then suddenly a light goes on. The bad guys can now see that nobody they're looking for is in the lit up section, and know not to shoot there. Whereas if that light stayed off, they in fact might have wasted their time shooting there, leaving the good guys alive to further plot their demise.

Then, of course, you have the opposite: if too many people (including everyone) claims vanilla, then some of these claims are obviously bullshit – and in my experience, this is actually worse than being back to square one with no info, because then the wolves can start guessing who's lying; for example, if someone is acting too fussy or too self-interested to be a vanilla townie.

Generally, it gives the best odds for town that nobody reveals their power level unless absolutely necessary. We want to keep the wolves in the dark as much as possible, so our special roles can keep doing their thing for as long as possible. Understand?

Oh I'm not actually a new face, Simon is an alt. Possibly someone will come and agree that yes, he does a lot of bumbling around. He has only played in one other game, the same one Mendie debuted in, HOH6. About a year ago.


Good to know. I might not have the time to actually go into this today, but I've peeked downwards and nobody seems to have called BS.

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Uh oh, I am in trouble, having slashed, boiled, plunged into icy water, chopped, diced, fried, and SET ON FIRE. But wait, Pleo said what?

FOS for sucking up to the chef by using one of the judges' own recipes! But as you've probably seen by now, Colby is not going to look it up. Get back here and add some more detail.

I do like this post. Yeah, he's trying to ensure that more power is injected into the game in the abstract, but this is actually pro-town simply by dint of there being more townies than wuffs.

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

How many recipes are we allowed to submit in one day? I just realized that salade mechouia is made from tomatoes. How could I forget that? The months when I ate at a North African restaurant almost every day were a genuine highlight of my life.

<snfsnf>

I like to use others' opinions as a starting point for my own accounting. But the "Swammi is a wily player" is obviously insincere — I'm often misYeeted when Town and consistently fail my teammates when Scum — and I've done no thinking at all about the game state. If Mr. Templar is indeed who I think he is, then HE is the cleverest scum in the jungle, consistently fooling me. I'll wait 2 or 3 Days before voting to Yeet him, just to better accumulate evidence.

Damn, you remind me SO MUCH of some of the old OC homies here.

Are you sure you've never played on any site/tradition/etc. that allowed private communication between individual players?

I might have to run major bias correction for you more than Mendie, because you're a dead ringer for the kind of townies I used to team up and smash scums with.

(I'd include something about pocketing and smashing townies with you, but actually, wolf!Kai's pocketing game sucked back then, and I routinely buckled under persistent DM pressure from townies. Gotta fix that if those kinds of games ever happen again.)

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Moribund.


Oh yeah! I remember them! Lode Runner, Carmen Sandiego, and The Print Shop! [[[And Myst, somehow?]]]

Before me time, m8 – I only know Carmen Sandiego from that game show I used to watch religiously as a kid.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Guess not.

I have to admit this is pretty funny

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Point the first: thinks recipes could contain mafia-sign (post #15)

Point the second: did not submit recipe

Conclusion: Fears any recipe submitted could inadvertently reveal mafia-sign

This is a real vote, but it could change, depending on discussion. Will check back no later than four hours from the deadline. There are other players I might vote for and a couple I would not.

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

My theory. (1) joke vote (2) leftover salt from previous Simon Templar game (3) why ask me? I hadn't even posted! Nobody had! BC's was the very first post so either (1) or (2), what else could it be, and I'm leaning (1).

Two people have voted him essentially for that. I'm thinking both Mahaloth and guiri could be town, but they can't both be scum.

Finally, an explicit peek into some solving processes from Simon. Countervoting with some deduction, and some unpairing. I dig it, enough to bring him out of voting range toDay, methinks.

Originally Posted by guiri

It’s not the vote, that’s fine, and potentially meaningless, it’s the unvote before you even posted with no reasoning. Sure, it was probably a joke vote, but why unvote then, without a better place to put the vote, unless self-conscious?

This sums up my thinking perfectly.

I might have to take some pointers from you after the game b/c I write so many words and sometimes don't even express the point I'm trying to make clearly. Meanwhile, you just fuckin' do it, man.

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

guiri's comment makes sense. But did I not see some pre-game dialog (BC vs Meeko?) suggesting feelings had been hurt recently? Perhaps BC's quick unvote was a reaction to that, avoiding further bad feelings.

I have misgivings about Simon Templar, whose accusation against Pleonast seems contrived. Pleonast's failure to submit a recipe may be just a lazy oversight — a Town tell. Or maybe he's developing a hunch (and still cogitating) but not worried about that hunch being "stolen."

I will be asleep at EOD, but will try to submit a useful vote tomorrow.

*single tear* it's like I'm a teenager all over again.

I'm gonna reserve judgment for now, but GTH town on Swammi

If it's scum fakery, then it's fakery that's very distinct with it's excitement for the possibilites. Which means he won't be able to keep it up for long.

Originally Posted by TexCat

I don't understand this vote. Mahaloth, are you saying that BC should have a reason for his vote? It seems clear to me that it was just a joke vote. I see Guiri's reasoning, which seems a little thin, but it is day one. But I don't see your reasoning at all.

It doesn't seem like you're quite caught up – could you read guiri and I's posts on the matter and comment on that?

(Blech, that last part feels so grammatically mangled.)

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Touché!

...oh God.

Please tell me this was just some puntastic gag I took this long to get.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Uh, I was just putting a no-reason vote. I don't actually have any suspects here and I don't think we need a train/bandwagon buildng up here.

Hmm.

Quite inchresting indeed.

I haven't had any strong inclinations on Maha thus far, but looking back it seems like he's one of the lightest on content, and this is strong potential pairing behavior between Maha and BC no matter how you slice it.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So basically Day 1:

We have a couple of joke votes

We have votes on the joke voter

We are questioning life.

Pleo maybe claimed vanilla, but not in his usually fashion.

And we started a train on BC that Mahaloth is now scared of.

I’m not really sure there’s anything of merit here.

Rule 1 of D1s: They always suck.

Always.

I've played various forms of this game on and off for ~half of my 30 years on this miserable rock, and never has a first stage of the game been free of suckage.

It just comes with the territory.

What I try to do is just throw whatever I have out there, explore possibilities and connect dots (however flimsily) and reach whatever consensus is there to reach. Remove at least some of the infinity possible worlds from play.

That way, D2 and onwards aren't just repeats of D1, they dispense with the suckage and are thus worth the slog.

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

First of all, how does it seem contrived? Second of all, if it does sound contrived it is perhaps because I composed the post, tried to send it, and my internet fitzed out. So I had to log off, reboot, log back into my VPN, log back into the board, and retype the post, and I was very irritated. Stuff rewritten because it gets lost is never as good as the first time.

Mmmmmhh...I mildly dislike the two-faced defense on display here. It's just a step away from "this isn't X, but if it is, here's a perfectly good reason for why?"

However, as a person whose thought processes are frequently scattered and wander off, and knowing these technical difficulties intimately, I am given considerable pause.

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Huh. I didn't think it'd be over this quick. Could have sworn I picked out more posts.

[Kaiveran]

Anyways...



This is the alternative to BC in my eyes.

Already gone into my misgivings on BC, and on review no-one seems more strongly paired with him than Maha. I think we therefore get a (relatively) great deal of info from either flip.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bashorian Clement (2): guiri (46), Mahaloth (71)[85], Mendie Taoma (84)
Texcat (1): Pleonast (94)
Pleonast (1): Simon Templar (73)
Mahaloth (1): Kaiveran (97)
Simon Templar (0): Bashorian Clement (2)[21]

We have 24hrs + change left, ya?

Not feeling Pleo at all. TexCat, I'd rather wait for a response.

I wish to slot some other endeavors in today (my ADHD brain is seething) but I'll check in again later tonight.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by guiri

@Mahaloth. The credit for Lightfoot is because it was townie of her to give you a chance to win the extra powers, right?

Yes, and reminding people of things in the rules and so forth is pro-town in my opinion.

[Swammerdami]

In addition to blissful sleep at EOD. I plan on — OOG and TMI — awakening in a strange bed and on being away from my desk until then (though I MIGHT attempt to click on my Smartphone). So I will make a very weak vote now just to make sure I have a vote in place.



His answer to me almost seemed to "protest too much."

No hard feelings please. I love all of you!