Totally Legitimate Business Cruise DAY 5

[Vanta Black]

*GOOD MORNING PASSENGERS!*

The guests seemed to be avoiding the ping-pong table, either out of respect for the dead or out of superstition, we’re not sure. But it’s okay, everything is fine here! We all awoke, nobody got killed. There may have been some shenanigans in peoples’ private cabins but that’s none of our affair. It’s another beautiful day, perfect for sitting out on deck with a pipe and a nice ale (none of your IPAs, unless that’s your thing of course, we found it a bit disappointing). It’s a perfectly safe ship, why would anyone think otherwise--well other than the fact that we started out with 13 passengers and now we have seven.

Yeah, we better do a head count to make sure that no one died last night, the way things have been going you can’t be too careful.

Archangel
Bashorian Clement
BillMc
Lightfoot
Lion
raventhief
sturmhauke

Yep! That’s seven.

With seven alive it will take four (4) votes to launch someone on Day 5. You have until 1800 hours PDT Thursday, April 22.

Proceed.

[sturmhauke]

Another night with no deaths, interesting. Good for town at least. I do wonder what happened though.

[Lion]

I protected raventhief. And I feel pretty good about it

I hope this helps to make up some for my Pleo pigheadedness.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Lion

I protected raventhief. And I feel pretty good about it

I hope this helps to make up some for my Pleo pigheadedness.

Well, I feel good about it. But perplexed. It's great that there were no deaths. But it's weird that I would be a target, of either the kill or protection I've not exactly covered myself in glory over here.

[Archangel]

Nice to wake up to! Hopefully LightFoot has some good news too.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Well, I feel good about it. But perplexed. It's great that there were no deaths. But it's weird that I would be a target, of either the kill or protection I've not exactly covered myself in glory over here.

PERPLEXED is a good word

[LightFoot]

Why was I not targeted- did I get something right?
why was I not protected- wouldn't I be an assumed high priority target?

If the Towniest person ( yours not mine) wasn't in the mix? think
I will sober look at this but questions there are for Town to consider

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Why was I not targeted- did I get something right?
why was I not protected- wouldn't I be an assumed high priority target?

If the Towniest person ( yours not mine) wasn't in the mix? think
I will sober look at this but questions there are for Town to consider

Right??

[Lion]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Well, I feel good about it. But perplexed. It's great that there were no deaths. But it's weird that I would be a target, of either the kill or protection I've not exactly covered myself in glory over here.

Which is exactly why I picked you. I tried to guess what Scum would do. I should have done that the previous Night. I protected Lightfoot then, but I should have protected Prof P or Silverjan. Because after being burned Night 2 Scum would want to make sure they got a kill. Obvious Doc targets just might be too dangerous. Thus my guess of raventhief.

[Lion]

Which then brings me to the gist of the problem:

Lightfoot and raventhief are not going to be Scum. That means most probably 2 Scum among Archangel, sturmhauke, Bashorian, and Bill Mc.

Archangel and Bill are on the same team.

So are the remaining Scum Archangel/Bill? Or are the remaining Scum sturmhauke/Bashorian?

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

*GOOD MORNING PASSENGERS!*

The guests seemed to be avoiding the ping-pong table, either out of respect for the dead or out of superstition, we’re not sure. But it’s okay, everything is fine here! We all awoke, nobody got killed. There may have been some shenanigans in peoples’ private cabins but that’s none of our affair. It’s another beautiful day, perfect for sitting out on deck with a pipe and a nice ale (none of your IPAs, unless that’s your thing of course, we found it a bit disappointing). It’s a perfectly safe ship, why would anyone think otherwise--well other than the fact that we started out with 13 passengers and now we have seven.

Yeah, we better do a head count to make sure that no one died last night, the way things have been going you can’t be too careful.

Archangel
Bashorian Clement
BillMc
Lightfoot
Lion
raventhief
sturmhauke

Yep! That’s seven.

With seven alive it will take four (4) votes to launch someone on Day 5. You have until 1800 hours PDT Thursday, April 20.

Proceed.

Thursday, April 22, right? If not, I really need to wind my calendar, it's all mucked up

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by Lion

So are the remaining Scum Archangel/Bill? Or are the remaining Scum sturmhauke/Bashorian?

Alternative explanation: you and Bashorian are the scum team. I know I'm not scum, and I have the nagging feeling you know I'm not too. Maybe you really do have a permanent doc power, or maybe you are pretending to and taking advantage of the oddball setup to keep us all confused about what's really happening. This post in particular seems like you're trying really hard to look townie but not quite managing it:

Originally Posted by Lion

I tried to guess what Scum would do. I should have done that the previous Night. I protected Lightfoot then, but I should have protected Prof P or Silverjan. Because after being burned Night 2 Scum would want to make sure they got a kill. Obvious Doc targets just might be too dangerous. Thus my guess of raventhief.

So you should have guessed what scum would do, as opposed to what? Throwing darts at pictures of the players? And yes, normally scum want to be sure they score a kill... unless they're trying a gambit of some kind.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Lion

Which then brings me to the gist of the problem:

Lightfoot and raventhief are not going to be Scum. That means most probably 2 Scum among Archangel, sturmhauke, Bashorian, and Bill Mc.

Archangel and Bill are on the same team.

So are the remaining Scum Archangel/Bill? Or are the remaining Scum sturmhauke/Bashorian?

I am not scum. There is literally nothing I can do to convince you of this apart from dying but I’m not scum. I would offer to die to confirm Bill, but I’m not 100% convinced that result isn’t from misdirection.

This game is more like a mashup (very large game on MUA where everyone has a power) than a vanilla game, which is fun, but it means that not all results can be trusted, and we have weird things going on that haven’t been accounted for (Prof P’s jailkeep).

I really thought Pleo was going to flip scum because he contradicted you and took credit for blocking BC and thus the kill, whereas you had backup from LightFoot, but he wasn’t. I should have realized that; when I’m scum I fake claim all the time to sow confusion, but it doesn’t make sense as scum to make a claim you know will be proven false.

I think Pleo did really block BC but it did nothing. So that could mean BC is town, or it could mean BC is scum but did nothing because he knew he was going to be a target that night after not gambling.

[Bashorian Clement]

Are we in lylo? I don't want to stick a vote out there until I'm reasonably sure about that. There seems to be an assumption that there are two scum left, and I think that's probably true. But is it?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Are we in lylo? I don't want to stick a vote out there until I'm reasonably sure about that. There seems to be an assumption that there are two scum left, and I think that's probably true. But is it?

Four scum in a 13 p game would be too many.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Four scum in a 13 p game would be too many.

I agree it's too many in most games, but still could be. Go retrieve Pleonast's posts from when he talked about how we're screwed.

[BillMc]

Yes, perplexed is a good description.

Lion is now claiming a permanent doc power. That would seem to skew the balance to town.
With Maha, he said he stopped the kill and knew it was Maha.
He is now saying he stopped the kill of raven...but no information on the killer?

Did he actually know it was maha, or just used it to push his agenda and got lucky? or did he bus maha?

But Pleo did say he blocked BC when there was no kill.

BC's whole behaviour seems weird - his whole censored/redacted stageshow - I'm so weird and drawing attention to myself that I can't be scum.

Bashorian is pinging me more than Lion.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by BillMc

Yes, perplexed is a good description.

Lion is now claiming a permanent doc power. That would seem to skew the balance to town.
With Maha, he said he stopped the kill and knew it was Maha.
He is now saying he stopped the kill of raven...but no information on the killer?

Did he actually know it was maha, or just used it to push his agenda and got lucky? or did he bus maha?

But Pleo did say he blocked BC when there was no kill.

BC's whole behaviour seems weird - his whole censored/redacted stageshow - I'm so weird and drawing attention to myself that I can't be scum.

Bashorian is pinging me more than Lion.

Not arguing with you but I do think the rules said there was one permanent power.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Not arguing with you but I do think the rules said there was one permanent power.

Not to argue with you not arguing, but my godfather/miller power would have been permanent has I not gambled it away. Permanent in the sense of "not one shot"- it would have lasted all game.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by BillMc

Yes, perplexed is a good description.

Lion is now claiming a permanent doc power. That would seem to skew the balance to town.
With Maha, he said he stopped the kill and knew it was Maha.
He is now saying he stopped the kill of raven...but no information on the killer?

Did he actually know it was maha, or just used it to push his agenda and got lucky? or did he bus maha?

But Pleo did say he blocked BC when there was no kill.

BC's whole behaviour seems weird - his whole censored/redacted stageshow - I'm so weird and drawing attention to myself that I can't be scum.

Bashorian is pinging me more than Lion.

Do I have to remind you that I'm not the one who was voting me for an undisclosed reason the entire game?

Day 1:

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm going to
vote Mahaloth
vote Bashorian Clement
on a hunch. Don't bother asking for more explanation; none is forthcoming at this time.

Day 2:

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Weekends are impossible for me to play, and today is crazy-busy at work. I've only lightly skimmed the Night and the Day so far.

vote Bashorian Clement
vote Mahaloth
for the same (undisclosed) reason as Day One.

I won't be voting for myself, Archangel, or raventhief. Lion has moved off that list.

Everyone else is undecided by me at the moment.

Finally, the power I received is one that would be bad for scum to have. I'll be sitting on the power and definitely not gambling. Come get some, scumbos.

And you wonder why I wondered what I was being voted for? I know you're not that dense.


And you apparently aren't concerned with this being possible lylo.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by BillMc

Yes, perplexed is a good description.

Lion is now claiming a permanent doc power. That would seem to skew the balance to town.
With Maha, he said he stopped the kill and knew it was Maha.
He is now saying he stopped the kill of raven...but no information on the killer?

Doctors seldom have self protect as an option. and I don't recall them knowing who/what they protected from - I did track Maha that Night but did not reveal that until after Lion- I think- will check

Did he actually know it was maha, or just used it to push his agenda and got lucky? or did he bus maha?

But Pleo did say he blocked BC when there was no kill.

which I assume is true

BC's whole behaviour seems weird - his whole censored/redacted stageshow - I'm so weird and drawing attention to myself that I can't be scum.

Bashorian is pinging me more than Lion.

I plan to vote with you if more beleivable information does not come to light

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

And you wonder why I wondered what I was being voted for? I know you're not that dense.

And you apparently aren't concerned with this being possible lylo.

I'm not that dense as I can count and see it is not lylo

With 7 alive and 4 votes needed to launch, that's not lylo

With no launch and a scum kill toNight, it would be 6 alive toMorrow, and 4 needed for a launch, still not lylo.
With a mislaunch and scum kill toNight, it would be 5 alive toMorrow, and 3 needed to launch town, still not lylo
With a scumlaunch and a scum kill toNight, it would be 5 alive, still 3 needed to launch, still not lylo

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Not to argue with you not arguing, but my godfather/miller power would have been permanent has I not gambled it away. Permanent in the sense of "not one shot"- it would have lasted all game.

YES I WILL ARGUE WITH BOTH OF YOU!!!

Ahem. Sorry. Anyway, yes there are a few permanent powers going around. The issue isn't whether a permanent doctor power could exist, but whether Lion actually has it or not. It still looks to me like Lion and BC are trying to lead us into a fog while pretending to light a beacon. (Nautical metaphors! Whee!)

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

YES I WILL ARGUE WITH BOTH OF YOU!!!

Ahem. Sorry. Anyway, yes there are a few permanent powers going around. The issue isn't whether a permanent doctor power could exist, but whether Lion actually has it or not. It still looks to me like Lion and BC are trying to lead us into a fog while pretending to light a beacon. (Nautical metaphors! Whee!)

Lol. I went to look and I had it wrong but then got distracted. There is one power according to the rules that can’t be gambled away, that’s what I was remembering incorrectly (as usual).

[Archangel]

Lion, why didn’t you protect LightFoot? I understand the reason you’re saying you chose Raven, but LightFoot said she might have something that would help us today.

[Vanta Black]

*UPDATE*

Just a couple of notes here. We provided the wrong date in the first version of the post and it has been corrected to Thursday, April 22. It’s almost like we wanted it to stay 4/20 forever. It’s fixed now.

Meanwhile, it is quite fun driving this ship, much better than paddling a kayak through some namby-pamby “rapids.” We like big boats and we cannot lie.

Here is the current vote count.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bashorian Clement (1): BillMc (17)
Billmc (1): Bashorian Clement (20)

Not voting: Archangel, LightFoot, Lion, raventhief, sturmhauke

[LightFoot]

BC what is Room service?

Lion Who did you protect N2? And why did you choose Maha for the launch?

It really makes little to no sense if Lion and Maha were scum buddies
why
would Maha visit Lion - and/or why would Lion finger Maha right out of the gate?

[LightFoot]

Bill you are casting doubt on Lion but surely you asked yourself the questions above?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

I won a one-shot power on N1 and used it N2, but it had no apparent effect. There are a few possibilities as to why, but I don't have enough information to figure that out yet.

Did you ever tell us what this was?
since it was a one shot it matters not if you tell now.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by BillMc

I'm not that dense as I can count and see it is not lylo

With 7 alive and 4 votes needed to launch, that's not lylo

With no launch and a scum kill toNight, it would be 6 alive toMorrow, and 4 needed for a launch, still not lylo.
With a mislaunch and scum kill toNight, it would be 5 alive toMorrow, and 3 needed to launch town, still not lylo
With a scumlaunch and a scum kill toNight, it would be 5 alive, still 3 needed to launch, still not lylo

Errrr... That depends on number of scum left, right? If there are three (which I find unlikely, but...) Then it would be lylo wouldn't it?

[raventhief]

Wait, I need to do some remedial math real quick

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Wait, I need to do some remedial math real quick

No, I think I was right the first time. If there are three scum left ((I know it is unlikely but how does one balance a freaky game like this? I have no idea)

And a mislaunch and a scum kill, that would be 5 alive tomorrow and three of them scum, right?

(damnit Kindle scum is a word I use, get used to it)

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Bill you are casting doubt on Lion but surely you asked yourself the questions above?

Yes, something doesn't add up with his story.

Lion implied he knew it was maha...how would a doc know who attacked them?
Indeed in most games, a doc wouldn't even know they were attacked, never mind who did it.

Yet, you saw maha visit lion.

Did they assume maha was going to be investigated so used some power on a godfather lion in the hope of making him look like a confirmed townie while bc failed the nk due to pleos block? But Lion also passed Jan's lie detector, possible if a godfather. Yes that's a huge stretch which is why I'm voting bc rather than lion

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by raventhief

No, I think I was right the first time. If there are three scum left ((I know it is unlikely but how does one balance a freaky game like this? I have no idea)

And a mislaunch and a scum kill, that would be 5 alive tomorrow and three of them scum, right?

(damnit Kindle scum is a word I use, get used to it)

I'm assuming no more than 2. 4 scum to start with would be imbalanced from the start at all vanilla. If tgere are 3, we've already lost, we're just treading water waiting for the sun to set

[LightFoot]

Lion can you self protect?

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Did you ever tell us what this was?

since it was a one shot it matters not if you tell now.

Yes, I've mentioned it several times now. It was Untouchable, which can redirect actions off me and onto a target of my choice.

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[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

Yes, I've mentioned it several times now. It was Untouchable, which can redirect actions off me and onto a target of my choice.

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so we know you did use it and you redirected onto whom?

Odds are you were not targeted=no effect
but I am curious

[LightFoot]

we are getting close to the end game and I am thinking out loud

[Lion]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Lion can you self protect?

Yes. Hence Night 2.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Lion

Yes. Hence Night 2.

But you didn't know who your attacker was right?
why did you choose Maha?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

BC what is Room service?



Lion Who did you protect N2? And why did you choose Maha for the launch?



It really makes little to no sense if Lion and Maha were scum buddies

why

would Maha visit Lion - and/or why would Lion finger Maha right out of the gate?

Roomservice didn't get me anything. I was hoping for a nice bagel and some eggs with a bottle of wine.

[Bashorian Clement]

I refuse to just assume there are two scum remaining. I think it's foolhardy. That there wasn't a pile-on on Bill though tells me that either he's town or there are just two.

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

so we know you did use it and you redirected onto whom?



Odds are you were not targeted=no effect

but I am curious

I redirected onto Lion, but I have no way of knowing if I was ever targeted.

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[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Roomservice didn't get me anything. I was hoping for a nice bagel and some eggs with a bottle of wine.

I don't feel like buying this

[LightFoot]

NETA I was told all ## actions are immediate .

You used one and won't tell us what it was = Not Town response

[Archangel]

This is the most likely answer. We should have resolved him days ago, and Pleo voting him for “undisclosed reasons” seems significant. It would have been better for him to tell us what they were, but I’m wondering if he had some kind of result that he didn’t share because he didn’t want to reveal a power.

Lion is making me paranoid again, but it’s probably just paranoia, and if he is scum, then the shenanigans would indicate he was trying to save BC.

[Archangel]

(Why save BC over Mahaloth I don’t know, but I also just don’t think Lion is scum so it’s probably moot.)

[Archangel]

NETA: he’s making me paranoid by claiming he successfully prevented the NK twice, but the facts indicate the simpler explanation is he’s not scum.

[LightFoot]

note

Maha claimed the body guard power
we know it was in play
Noone disputed that
If he visited Lion with the body guard power .....

of course he could have lied about his power- I need to check the timing of powers/usage /claims

damn I so want to get this right
My intent is to vote BC But I don't want an early EOD without hashing these things

[Lion]

I would so like to get it right too:

Bashorian: Been playing rogue/cagey all game. Back and forth talking to self seems designed to attract attention. In a multi-power game, such play for Scum is madness. Unless it was designed to attract attention. But why? I am frustrated by Bashorian because I do not think Scum or Town would play like this. Third Party? I feel like this play is something unguessable, which frustrates.

Bill: Hiding in the background all game. Had, IIRC, a list of roles that was missing something Professor Pepperwinkle claimed. Nothing stands out. Has not seemingly analyzed his list. Just presented it, shrugged, and moved on.

Archangel: What really bothered me yesterDay about Archangel is that she told us all her thoughts about her Bookie role without being asked. Almost as if the lie had been thought up and she was darn well going to tell it whether we asked or not. I thought her asking about my Sea Serpent persona on Night0 was a Town tell. But Archangel is smart enough as Scum to drop any number of casual Town tells. Voted for Mahaloth against Bashorian. But she would as Scum, wouldn't she?

sturmhauke: Takes "notes" but is missing key elements of the game. (Accusing me of being Scum without taking into account evidence from Lightfoot, silverjan, as well as two Nights where there were no deaths that I have taken credit for). However, I am distracted by real life and may have skimmed, missed and done the same. But, OTOH, I do not claim to have any notes.

+++++

Lightfoot, raventhief: I want to figure this out. My gut tells me right now Scum are Archangel/Bill.