154: My Durp Snark brings all the boys to the yard and they're like, it's better than yours

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Calling out assholes is a waste of time IMO. They're still going to be assholes. Pointing and laughing at them from here is kind of amusing, again IMO.

That's a tough conundrum because if people aren't called out, then people who are not Ignoring the offenders will assume there is tacit support for their viewpoint when in reality everyone is just so tired of their BS that they get ignored.

That actually happened to me with regards to Elucidator. I had him on ignore for a long time because, while there are certainly much bigger assholes than him, he still never added anything of value to the conversation, so I wasn't missing anything. I had assumed that since there was rarely if ever any pushback for what he said that everyone else either agreed with him at worst or thought him harmless at best. Turns out most people were ignoring him too (formally or informally).

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I get where POC are coming from--I get similar pushback for being "angry" and "confrontational" and "an asshole" when I wade into discussions of women's rights, feminism and abortion. Since I know I'm generally none of those things, and because the opinions of (especially) white men on these subjects are at best something I can tolerate I definitely grasp the levels of pissoff and fuckoff from POC on the subjects of racism and bigotry. Being white myself I don't have standing to have terribly firm opinions on the subject so I'm fine with deferring to my siblings of color when they tell me they're opposed to something--why would I not defer to someone with greater expertise than I possess?

Yep. I'm not feeling particularly eloquent today, but especially watching Roe going down, and voting rights going down, and civil rights going down, and the rich profiteering off the rest of us, and the disabled and the poor and elderly being told they are expendable; given all that, being nice doesn't cut it.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I think I'm done here. There's just meanness and conflict left on the dope and it's bleeding over to here. What used to be a fun, gossipy corner of the internet has gotten all uncomfortable and weird and I think I'm over it.

It's affecting my posting so it's time to detox.

I'm sorry about this, but I get it. You're one of my favorite posters. I giggle every time I think about you hiding things around the office and scaring your boss.

I think life is just chaotic and scary and bitchy right now. I hope it gets better. I'll miss you.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I think I'm done here. There's just meanness and conflict left on the dope and it's bleeding over to here. What used to be a fun, gossipy corner of the internet has gotten all uncomfortable and weird and I think I'm over it.

It's affecting my posting so it's time to detox.

stepping away is rational but really... Rosey Glasses. The same old snarky sniping. Just not so fun to be on the ricochet side and becoming threadbare. Whatever self-deception people here like to engage in.

[Someone]

^^What Sunny Daze said.

Also, as I see it, the issue with Mr. Dibble's latest outrage is that it seems he is conflating two separate issues:

1. The extent to which SD moderators call out bigotry.
2. The extent to which moderators have a hierarchy according to seniority and/or the extent to which they want to / feel compelled to consult each other before taking mod actions.

These are independent issues. Yes, #2 can have an impact on #1, but I don't think outrage over bigotry, which is of course invariably justified, means that the very same outrage should spill over into issue #2.

Hierarchy / a consultative approach is not inherently a bad thing in any time, place or situation. Bigotry is.

[Someone]

Ratty, don’t go. Dibbles isn’t worth it. He’s got anger issues that require professional help. He’ll get boxed when he runs off people.

[Someone]

I'm mostly a lurker, so what I have to say here ain't worth much.

That said, Dibble's posts didn't bother me at all; these threads typically have a few arguments in them. But saying another poster is a rabid dog that needs to be put down? They deserve to be shot and used to fertilize fields? WTF.

Whenever I'm tempted to start posting more here and join in the "light-hearted snark," it seems I see bullshit like that and realize I don't want to be associated with the (very few) people over here that are just plain ugly and mean. Post 494 is not the "same old snarky sniping."

[Someone]

Are men responsible for women’s happiness or unhappiness? This takes the prize for Most Pointless Thread. It's full of numbskulls who generalize about the habits of men and women ("Men do this, and women do that. And women do this, and men do that"), along with the occasional "My spouse was a jerk, let me tell you why" post.

[Someone]

I love you all.

[Someone]

I find myself aligned with Mr. Dibble much more frequently than not. Anyway, @Rat Diva, please don’t go!

[Someone]

I can't get past the trolliness of the title to take that thread seriously. Even in the thread, there are some well-reasoned arguments against the idea that the reason women statistically seek separation more than men is how crappy men behave on average, but that doesn't mean that if you do believe that, you think men are "responsible for women's happiness".

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Oh, mother of fucks. You're either deliberately misreading me or denser than osmium, and I know you're not stupid.

Yes he is. If the mod in question won't BURN IT DOWN, like he would, the mod in question isn't as much an asshole like he is. If you're not an asshole like he is, you are not as GOOD as he is. If you won't kill the assholes like he would, you're not as good as him. In other words, unless you will kill the same people he would, you are not as GOOD as he is. Someone needs to be burned down, where he stands, but it ain't the people he keeps reaming. He's lucky he's half a world away. I'd shoot the fucker without a second thought.

[Someone]

Naa you wouldn't. We'd lose a golden snark target for the future. I'm betting he's on your snark list as a MBM. (mouth breathing moron) and not as a MDM. (massive drooling moron)

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I can't get past the trolliness of the title to take that thread seriously. Even in the thread, there are some well-reasoned arguments against the idea that the reason women statistically seek separation more than men is how crappy men behave on average, but that doesn't mean that if you do believe that, you think men are "responsible for women's happiness".

The thread title reads like as much a disingenuous and back-handed attempt to slide some misogyny in just under the radar (and provide an outlet for others to do likewise) as DimB's recent attempt to do the same with gay-bashing. Unclear why it should succeed when clearly the mods caught wise to DimB's shenanigans.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

The following question is serious, honest and asked without agenda- How do we know how many Dopers are white? I know most of the ones from the SDMB photo album were white. But, many Dopers don't appear there.

Or if not white, belong to other minorities or groups that suffer from bigotry and oppression?

Originally Posted by Someone

Yes he is. If the mod in question won't BURN IT DOWN, like he would, the mod in question isn't as much an asshole like he is. If you're not an asshole like he is, you are not as GOOD as he is. If you won't kill the assholes like he would, you're not as good as him. In other words, unless you will kill the same people he would, you are not as GOOD as he is. Someone needs to be burned down, where he stands, but it ain't the people he keeps reaming. He's lucky he's half a world away. I'd shoot the fucker without a second thought.

Dude, you need a nap. He's just some guy on a message board. Go, watch some kitten videos, have a nice hot cup of tea, and take a nap.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I'm mostly a lurker, so what I have to say here ain't worth much.

That said, Dibble's posts didn't bother me at all; these threads typically have a few arguments in them. But saying another poster is a rabid dog that needs to be put down? They deserve to be shot and used to fertilize fields? WTF.

Whenever I'm tempted to start posting more here and join in the "light-hearted snark," it seems I see bullshit like that and realize I don't want to be associated with the (very few) people over here that are just plain ugly and mean. Post 494 is not the "same old snarky sniping."

Agree completely, MrDibble is not the real problem in this thread.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Or if not white, belong to other minorities or groups that suffer from bigotry and oppression?

People not on that list are getting rarer these days, since up to 20% of Americans believe that Democrats are literally child-raping Satan worshippers. It could be as low as 10%, but that's a lot of potential Pizzagates or worse.

[Someone]

I’ll admit I haven’t read every post in this thread and things seems like they’re going off the rails a bit, but your posts are way over the line.

In the box for you while I figure out what’s going on.

Originally Posted by Someone

Yes he is. If the mod in question won't BURN IT DOWN, like he would, the mod in question isn't as much an asshole like he is. If you're not an asshole like he is, you are not as GOOD as he is. If you won't kill the assholes like he would, you're not as good as him. In other words, unless you will kill the same people he would, you are not as GOOD as he is. Someone needs to be burned down, where he stands, but it ain't the people he keeps reaming. He's lucky he's half a world away. I'd shoot the fucker without a second thought.

[Someone]

Ratty, do whatever you have to for your own health but I will miss you if you leave.

and would everyone please stop acting like it's a surprise or in anyway unusual when Alchy says something horrible? or at least stop quoting him? he is the poster boy for hatred.

ETA: thank you, Pure

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Agree completely, MrDibble is not the real problem in this thread.

He is when he starts driving away respected posters.

[Someone]

Nope, not even close. C2H5OH needs his ass boxed permanently. When he's ready to be civil he can make a new sock, but he can fuck the hell out of my PMs and onto my ignore list until then. He was so beyond the limit, even for this place.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Hierarchy / a consultative approach is not inherently a bad thing in any time, place or situation.

It is when it makes the response to open racism delayed by, what are we at now, three weeks and counting? And that's without yet seeing what the response WE? alluded to is going to be. I don't hold out hope of even a warning for Cartooniverse, never mind any real change.

Sorry, but shit like that needs to be given an immediate response. If a mod feels empowered enough to openly call something "hate speech" or "appears racist", they should make that a warning at the same time.

I don't want people getting mere mod notes for racist or bigoted speech, even if those are later upgraded. I want mods to be both motivated enough about bigotry and competent enough at spotting it so that the dope is no longer the safe home for bigotry that it currently is.

This "mod loop" rigmarole would be fine if there was a large group of mods, working 24/7, so a) bigotry reports are responded to quickly and b) mods with a "consensus approach" wouldn't be a problem.

But as it is, it causes too much delay and give the appearance that the mods (as a group) don't really see bigotry as a problem. Especially racism and transphobia (don't think I haven't observed the stark difference in response times and amount of mod responses between this homophobic kerfuffle and the racism one.) I'm sure RickJay doesn't have a problem with transphobia, and the old guard have always been shitty on racism, but the new mods clearly seem to care more. But the Loop is its own creature, and it's too slow, even when it's right. Which isn't always.

[Someone]

Yeah, I know, I stick my flounces about as well as UltraVile, but now I've had some time to get my thoughts in order.

1) C2H5OH's last couple of posts were just vile and hateful and I reported him for it. I'll go Weedy one better and say he should be banned for that.

2) I'm not leaving because of MrDibble. I don't even disagree with him most of the time. I don't care for his posting style, but with that in mind I should have just kept way out of it and/or put him on ignore. That's on me, not him.

3) Since the dawn of Covid and the last election, people overall have been more snappish, impatient, quick to anger, and quick to assume ill intent. it's apparent in spades at the Dope and since the snark threads reflect the tenor of the Dope it's starting to creep in here, too. TroutMan and someone else (can't remember who, sorry) recently pointed that out and it got me to thinking they've got a point.

4) It's been affecting me and I don't like it. I'm enough of a grouch without it extending to my leisure activities. I want to amuse people with witty snarkasm, not piss people off.

5) Some of the best advice I ever heard was, when you find yourself getting mad at a thing, put it down and walk away until you're not mad at it anymore. So I'm logging off for a while, and in fact will be away on vacation with spotty internet access so I'm taking a break, and when I come back it might be as well to avoid the snark threads.

6) Thanks to the people who had all the kind words. You rock. The rest of you suck (KIDDING!!!)

[Someone]

I agree, with the ignore part that is. Now, to remember where I left the ignore function. I think I keep it in the cupboard with the shampoo for pthirus pubis infections.

ETA On vacation until 5/17, and post count 666. Ratty are you okay?

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

I’ll admit I haven’t read every post in this thread and things seems like they’re going off the rails a bit, but your posts are way over the line.

In the box for you while I figure out what’s going on.

For the last two offensive comments in this thread plus the fact that he was Boxed just a couple of weeks ago for something equally offensive, I am upgrading this to one month.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

For the last two offensive comments in this thread plus the fact that he was Boxed just a couple of weeks ago for something equally offensive, I am upgrading this to one month.

Thanks for stepping in and doing the upgrade- I had about five minutes to deal with this and just made a quick decision.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Yes he is. If the mod in question won't BURN IT DOWN, like he would, the mod in question isn't as much an asshole like he is. If you're not an asshole like he is, you are not as GOOD as he is. If you won't kill the assholes like he would, you're not as good as him. In other words, unless you will kill the same people he would, you are not as GOOD as he is. Someone needs to be burned down, where he stands, but it ain't the people he keeps reaming. He's lucky he's half a world away. I'd shoot the fucker without a second thought.

You wouldn't do shit, cupcake. You're a fucking bitch and you know it.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

You wouldn't do shit, cupcake. You're a fucking bitch and you know it.

Ok. He’s in the Box now. Take it there.

[Someone]

C2H5OH is a bitch and I know it b/c he talks about going to the other side of the earth to whatever...

Many countries don't allow you to strap up, so in most places on this big green earth, it's just mano-a-mano with whatever God endowed you with.

If it's just swingin' them thangs, my money's on MrDibble to fucking curb stomp that cancer-ridden piece of shit C2H5OH.

Just a hunch, lol

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

C2H5OH is a bitch and I know it b/c he talks about going to the other side of the earth to whatever...

Many countries don't allow you to strap up, so in most places on this big green earth, it's just mano-a-mano with whatever God endowed you with.

If it's just swingin' them thangs, my money's on MrDibble to fucking curb stomp that cancer-ridden piece of shit C2H5OH.

Just a hunch, lol

Now you two can spend the next week together

[Someone]

Thanks, hajaro!

[Someone]

LOL

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Thanks, hajaro!

You are very welcome

[Someone]

NM. Was trying for humor but could easily be read as defending shit I had no intention of defending.

[Someone]

I think everybody missed what happened last night. Let’s just say Haj wasn’t sleeping on his watch and took care of things. Thanks for your attention Haj. We do have a cornfield after all.

[Someone]

I have a question - this is because I am a questionable person I guess.

We have a few intercontinental travelers as you may know, Miss Raffe being the obvious queen of intercontinental traveling, Miss Raffe having already been welcomed in many homes in the US of A..

But, we also have a canadanian traveling group, Jerry and Meziadin , and they are currently visiting Mr. C2H5OH with gifts and stories from the Euro lands across the ocean.

Would it be possible to let Mr. C2H5OH post pictures of his new found friends in the thread dedicated to these rumblings? It would be appreciated by a few of us Ghiraffarians, the ones who seldom come here to the snark threads, but nevertheless visit other fora of these hallowed boards, as painfully described in the annals of the prophet ScissorJack in the master of poetry volume 8 of his memories (ISBN 67553689 - "The Psychopathology of Everyday Life and also why meatballs are the best".

[Someone]

Since the thread is so thoroughly derailed anyways, I'll take the opportunity to thank MrDibble and iiAndyiiii. I started posting on the Dope in 2008, and my views on a whole lot of things have shifted since then. 95% of it is the fact that when I started posting I was a dumb kid and since then I've gone to college and on to the real world, and I've learned a lot and reexamined many of the beliefs I took for granted. But the last little bit I'll credit to people like them, who posted things on the Dope that challenged my beliefs and helped me understand where they were flawed.

So to them I say, keep calling out this stuff in your own way, even if I sometimes disagree with you.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

5) Some of the best advice I ever heard was, when you find yourself getting mad at a thing, put it down and walk away until you're not mad at it anymore. So I'm logging off for a while, and in fact will be away on vacation with spotty internet access so I'm taking a break, and when I come back it might be as well to avoid the snark threads.

I endorse this advice. I haven’t had to do it on the Dope yet largely by virtue of my liberal use of the ignore feature. There’s still plenty of discussion to be had—and not too often derailed by the people I have on ignore—with people who aren’t transparently racist, misogynistic, transphobic, homophobic, otherwise bigoted, or just plain too stupid to be worth engaging with.

On one other forum I participate in, that is sometimes not the case. It’s made up of naval officers, who tend to skew conservative, and unfortunately conservatives tend to skew in the direction of… all those things I just listed. But worst of all, the *moderators (and in fact the site owner/admin) on that forum are themselves some of the worst offenders, which means (1) that I cannot even ignore some of the worst offenders, and (2) somehow accusations of being "political" in forums that are supposed to be non-political only get sustained when it’s one of a small number of moderates (that’s about as far left as we skew on that forum: to the middle) responding to the kind of Trumpist vitriol that could actually draw a warning on the derp if it’s OT-enough or vile enough. (ETA: To be clear, it is the responder, that is the anti-Trumpist, who gets the rebuke from the mods, not the instigator).

I do not remain on that latter forum because I value the conversation. I remain solely to expose others to my POV, which frankly I think they could use (not because it’s mine, but because it’s different from what is typical in that circle), but I don’t for the most part engage in long back and forths anymore because too many of them are, again, the sort of bad faith/dishonest interlocutor that might actually draw a warning on the Dope, but will likely as not with be an actual moderator on this other forum.

Point being, sometimes I take some time off. Because it’s not my job to devote my leisure time to engaging with racist assholes on the internet to the hazard of my own mental and emotional well-being. I’m satisfied just occasionally pointing out to them that they are racist and why. Maybe some day down the line that kernel of an idea will take hold, perhaps prompted by a conversation with someone closer to them in real life. That’s the hope, anyway.

*This, by the way, is part of the reason I try not to go too hard on the mods on the dope, even when I think they’re letting people get away with some things that they shouldn’t. Things could be so much worse.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Since the thread is so thoroughly derailed anyways, I'll take the opportunity to thank MrDibble and iiAndyiiii. I started posting on the Dope in 2008, and my views on a whole lot of things have shifted since then. 95% of it is the fact that when I started posting I was a dumb kid and since then I've gone to college and on to the real world, and I've learned a lot and reexamined many of the beliefs I took for granted. But the last little bit I'll credit to people like them, who posted things on the Dope that challenged my beliefs and helped me understand where they were flawed.

So to them I say, keep calling out this stuff in your own way, even if I sometimes disagree with you.

Thank you for these kind words. It's very satisfying to learn that my internet ramblings have had a positive impact, however small it might be.

[Someone]

The hippo is strong with this one...

[Someone]

He’s only a hippo because he couldn’t pass the physical for the rhino family.

[Someone]

They are not rhinos they are battle unicorns.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Since the thread is so thoroughly derailed anyways, I'll take the opportunity to thank MrDibble and iiAndyiiii. I started posting on the Dope in 2008, and my views on a whole lot of things have shifted since then. 95% of it is the fact that when I started posting I was a dumb kid and since then I've gone to college and on to the real world, and I've learned a lot and reexamined many of the beliefs I took for granted. But the last little bit I'll credit to people like them, who posted things on the Dope that challenged my beliefs and helped me understand where they were flawed.

So to them I say, keep calling out this stuff in your own way, even if I sometimes disagree with you.

Thanks. Good to know it sometimes works.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Hi. I’m new. I just want to see how my new sock looks on the screen.

Looks kosher to me.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Someone

Looks kosher to me.

ISWYDT

[Someone]

I make people smile every morning. Can you say the same?

[Someone]

Does one qualify for the mile high club if it's a sole venture?

[Someone]

I think it’s a joint award.

[Someone]

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Let's blow this joint!"

[Someone]

You would have to be pretty flexible to do it that way solo.