HoH 6: Day 1

[Doctor French]

Ladybug and Bog are top town reads. Ladybug's flow of thought is consistent with town. As is Bog's.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Mantis

I cannot understand your word codes.

Is this some kind of posting gimmick? I am using plain words. No codes. The last bit I can see being a tad unclear but all I meant was that username jokes relating to sock accounts should be fading as we get into the game.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

That is interesting. I agree with you.

Case in point.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

...
I made a random vote (literally...I rolled a d18 - since I'm certainly not voting for myself - and Sherlock's number came up). The Watson remark was an attempt at a humorous "justification" for what was obviously a baseless vote.

By second post was completely serious. I have one tool at my disposal in this game (If you want to take that as a "Vanilla Townie" claim, go for it), and I used it. Anyone who truly thinks that my vote was anything more than what it was is either very naïve, or knows more about the makeup of this game than I do. Normally I'd just say "or are scum"...but in this game with two different non-Town factions, nobody can be certain of anyone's Towniness except their own.
...
I've had a busy weekend, and I've only now had a chance to come back and read through almost 200 posts. Really, I've just skimmed them all, looing for mentions of my name. I'll go back now and re-read a bit more carefully, and if I see anyone else more deserving of my vote, I'll move it.

Okay, so it was a random vote, dressed up with humor. Uh, humour.

I'm not as opposed to random d1 votes as some here. i appreciate the explanation.
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[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Google / Define the terms in my ""Charter Member"" ... uh byline.

Cause, if I come up on a google result by my name, I'd want to see that.

I did come up with a Google result.

There have been times when I have done perfectly innocent searches and ended up with results that were not expected. Usually with no warning.

Searching yours, I did get a warning.

I appreciated that warning and did not proceed further.

There is always the possibility that I misspelled or that auto[un]correct [un]corrected. Nevertheless.

[Mantis]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

Is this some kind of posting gimmick? I am using plain words. No codes. The last bit I can see being a tad unclear but all I meant was that username jokes relating to sock accounts should be fading as we get into the game.

What is
IIoA
A
FOS
pinged
NAI
?

These are not plain words. I think you know that and try to tease me.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Mantis

What is
IIoA
A
FOS
pinged
NAI
?

These are not plain words. I think you know that and try to tease me.

Information Instead of Analysis
A= I don't now typo maybe?
Finger Of Suspicion
pinged= set off Scum alarm
Not Alignment Indicative

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

I take exception to the suggestion that they were "two dumb posts"...and I certainly didn't start any bandwagon.

I made a random vote (literally...I rolled a d18 - since I'm certainly not voting for myself - and Sherlock's number came up). The Watson remark was an attempt at a humorous "justification" for what was obviously a baseless vote.

By second post was completely serious. I have one tool at my disposal in this game (If you want to take that as a "Vanilla Townie" claim, go for it), and I used it. Anyone who truly thinks that my vote was anything more than what it was is either very naïve, or knows more about the makeup of this game than I do. Normally I'd just say "or are scum"...but in this game with two different non-Town factions, nobody can be certain of anyone's Towniness except their own.

Sherlock, if you think there's a "bandwagon" here, I suggest you look at the reasons for the other votes; perhaps you'll find it there.

I've had a busy weekend, and I've only now had a chance to come back and read through almost 200 posts. Really, I've just skimmed them all, looing for mentions of my name. I'll go back now and re-read a bit more carefully, and if I see anyone else more deserving of my vote, I'll move it.

So here Hiro is admitting to random voting and to skimming the thread looking for his name. I actually find it hard to imagine that scum would be this unconcerned about looking scummy. I had thought I had moved my vote to Hiro, but apparently not. Anyway, consider that revoked.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

I don't understand how anyone can get a "Town lean" on Day 1.

I very much like Harry's post. I agree almost wholeheartedly with it.

I will go ahead here and comment on Mendie's case on Ladybug: he has none. Of course, the same can be said of Doctor French's case on Clarice Starling, or my case on you. So why is Mendie particularly deserving of your vote?

That's an excellent question. It's because it's obvious that your and Dr. French's cases are nonsense. Mendie wrote out a whole long post with quotes. It's plausible in his case, but not in yours, that he might be hoping people's eyes will just glaze over and they'll assume he must have some points in there somewhere.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Atticus_Finch

Man, do I have to find everyone? Sorry, are producers scum too? I thought they were just some extra faction, but not necessarily scum. I guess Mantis and crew could be the producers. I think they definitely know each other, at any rate.

OK. Is it possible that this could be legitimate? If so, it would suggest that Mr. Finch is town, right? I agree with Ladybug's subsequent posts...I think this may be a deliberate attempt to look town by pretending to not know something that scum certainly would know...aka "attempted derpclear".

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Clarice Sterling

I think you mischaracterized me there a bit, but sure.

I wasn’t commenting on Bogatry’s post, I was commenting on Mantis, and was confused as to why a Town player would want the cop to out for any reason. That’s not helpful in any sort of a way to Town.

I also wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was Commenting on Doctor French’s odd play style and his attitude that he didn’t need to provide evidence for his votes. In this culture here we DO provide evidence at the time of the vote. We aren’t mind readers. We don’t know your motivation unless you tell us up front. How do we judge your action as Town/Scum leaning if you don’t give us anything to go on.

And yes, I was reading and catching up and commenting as I was reading. Every player doesn’t need to comment on every post do they. I found what I needed more information on to make my leans and went with it.

And I think you also misunderstood my earlier post re-scum. Scum often use random votes, joke votes, etc because they are an easy landing place without much accountability. That’s why long standing posts of such are suspect.

None of my complaints are surface complaints, or even game mechanism complaints. I don’t believe that Doctor French cannot place votes without an explanation as to why.

This is further disturbing evidence that Clarice may be skimming. She clearly hasn't noticed the fairly extensive discussion about the logic of a possible cop claim in this setup.

[Clarice Sterling]

I read the conversation. It’s all bull crap fishing for the cop to out. IMO

I believe it’s Anti-town.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Number 5

I commented on players which posted more than a "hello"
As you see, there were still many who had not been back after confirming their PMs. I have no leans on them.

Are we still waiting on Flash and Ella? And who is this "Ranger Rick"?

The official cartoon raccoon of the National Wildlife Federation. Also, a snarky reference to Mendie. Sorry for being obscure.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Well, that was a busy weekend. Let's see what's new. (Takes a QUICK readthrough.)

Not much. Must be D1.

I agree with Atticus that Mantis (who is suspect because she's from Marvel, if nothing else) may be someone trying to appear to be new rather than is a N00b. But, in a sock game, that may just be part of the play. So, eyes always open, but not worth a vote at this point.

I'm a bit alarmed that Atticus, while on point about Mantis (perhaps), didn't read the rules enough to know there are 2 Scum teams. FOS.

But...if you assume Atticus actually didn't know that, why would that make him more likely to be scum than town?

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

We have 13 heroes 3 with power roles - no tracker/watcher to see Scum moving though.
The Cop could find a Scum but with 2 godfathers they can't trust results.
Doc is at randoms mercy too.
The Vig as well.

6 Scum but it is 3/3 so they want to find and destroy each other .
They have Docs so protecting their own is likely ( a given really).

We can hope that Scum beat each other up but we can’t count on it.

More thoughts after a sleepI think

Originally Posted by Ladybug

The cop should decide when it’s best to claim, I can certainly see the advantage of claiming sooner, while the doc is alive, as they would form a powerful duo, but it does tie up the doc, unless they wifom scum. The doc could still be NK’d, or forced to claim to avoid a lynch, and then both roles are exposed and lost. Cop Town reads cannot be trusted due to godfathers - who would certainly benefit in the short-term from a cop claim, but a scum read would make it worthwhile, but it’s initially a 4/18 random chance, although nothing is random.

Originally Posted by Mantis

I find a lot of posts have words I don’t know. I also think talking about how the game works is avoiding playing the game. One dumb question, is there a reason the cop hasn’t claimed?

(Bolding mine)

I've thought about this since the start, and I can't find a strong reason for putting this off.

I am the Hero Cop

I'm doing this because of the multiple-launch mechanism, and there's no telling I will survive toNight without help. But even with protection, the odds are I won't find one of the four scum (either docs or their backups). But if I do, I'd hate to die without sharing with the rest of Town.

I'm not worried about counter-claims. Both scum teams are small and don't want to risk losing one of theirs before Day 3. If another player (Town) wants to counter, that's their business, but you will lose the cop.

My role is very limited, and I can't find either Godfather. It may be better for Town doc to protect the Town vig, if they know where to shoot. I can be useful, in a limited capacity.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Clarice Sterling

I think you mischaracterized me there a bit, but sure.

I wasn’t commenting on Bogatry’s post, I was commenting on Mantis, and was confused as to why a Town player would want the cop to out for any reason. That’s not helpful in any sort of a way to Town.

The point being moot, I'd like to hear why this isn't helpful

That goes for everyone else

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

This again? Go on, explain exactly how I could know another player’s true identify in the given setup? Massive FOS on Harry.

I like Harry's case here. Well, not really, but I like that he read your post carefully enough to notice the pronoun thing; I had missed it myself.

And at first I thought it might actually be valid; that you might have told each other your real identities in scumchat. But then I remembered that scum don't get to chat until Tonight.

In contrast to Atticus Finch's rather ham-handed attempt, this looks to me like it could be an actual case of Harry not knowing something that would be obvious to scum. Especially since the lack of scum daychat is fairly unusual on this board.

[Doctor French]

It just hit me who Clarice may be. My vote there was initially to get her to talk, and I left it there because she came across scummy. I'm fairly certain that my deduction is correct, and if it is, she isn't a scum case until I see more.





I'd vote Atticus Finch too.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

I like Harry's case here. Well, not really, but I like that he read your post carefully enough to notice the pronoun thing; I had missed it myself.

And at first I thought it might actually be valid; that you might have told each other your real identities in scumchat. But then I remembered that scum don't get to chat until Tonight.

In contrast to Atticus Finch's rather ham-handed attempt, this looks to me like it could be an actual case of Harry not knowing something that would be obvious to scum. Especially since the lack of scum daychat is fairly unusual on this board.

There was a Night 0. Didn't scum have chat then?

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

It just hit me who Clarice may be. My vote there was initially to get her to talk, and I left it there because she came across scummy. I'm fairly certain that my deduction is correct, and if it is, she isn't a scum case until I see more.

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[vote]Harry Dresden[vote]

I'd vote Atticus Finch too.

I am guessing you don't want to tell us why?

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

There was a Night 0. Didn't scum have chat then?

1. We will begin on Day 1. No Night Zero.

revisit the rules

[Bogatyr]

Dr French Are you trying to draw votes?
Why?

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

I am guessing you don't want to tell us why?

I'll work on it. Several posts built that read.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

revisit the rules

My mistake. For some reason I thought there was a Night 0 where we mingled or something.

[Clarice Sterling]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

It just hit me who Clarice may be. My vote there was initially to get her to talk, and I left it there because she came across scummy. I'm fairly certain that my deduction is correct, and if it is, she isn't a scum case until I see more.





I'd vote Atticus Finch too.

Don’t feed the trolls.

[Sherlock Holmes]

QUOTE="Vote Counting Robot"]
Doctor French (2): Clarice Sterling (175), Hiro Protagonist (190)
Hiro Protagonist (1): Simon Templar (149)
Harry Dresden (1): Doctor French (268)
Mantis (1): Atticus_Finch (209)
Ladybug (1): Mendie Taoma (39)[107], Harry Dresden (237)
Atricus Finch (1): Ladybug (211)
Atticus Finch (1): Sherlock Holmes (260)
Clarice Sterling (0): Doctor French (171)[268]
Steven Universe (0): Ladybug (117)[211]
Number 5 (0): Harry Dresden (186)[237]
Mendie Taoma (0): Sherlock Holmes (91)[260]
Sherlock Holmes (0): Hiro Protagonist (21)[190], Doctor French (26)[171], Mendie Taoma (107)[199]
[/QUOTE]

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #21: Hiro Protagonist voted Sherlock Holmes post #26: Doctor French voted Sherlock Holmes post #39: Mendie Taoma voted Ladybug post #91: Sherlock Holmes voted Mendie Taoma post #107: Mendie Taoma unvoted Ladybug post #107: Mendie Taoma voted Sherlock Holmes post #117: Ladybug voted Steven Universe post #149: Simon Templar voted Hiro Protagonist post #171: Doctor French unvoted Sherlock Holmes post #171: Doctor French voted Clarice Sterling post #175: Clarice Sterling voted Doctor French post #176: Sherlock Holmes illegally voted Hiro Protagonist post #186: Harry Dresden voted Number 5 post #190: Hiro Protagonist unvoted Sherlock Holmes post #190: Hiro Protagonist voted Doctor French post #199: Mendie Taoma unvoted Sherlock Holmes post #209: Atticus_Finch voted Mantis post #211: Ladybug unvoted Stephen Universe post #211: Ladybug voted Atricus Finch post #237: Harry Dresden unvoted Number 5 post #237: Harry Dresden voted Ladybug post #260: Sherlock Holmes unvoted All post #260: Sherlock Holmes voted Atticus Finch post #268: Doctor French unvoted Prev post #268: Doctor French voted Harry Dresden

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Mantis

What is
IIoA
A
FOS
pinged
NAI
?

These are not plain words. I think you know that and try to tease me.

Oh, okay, I see. Sorry. They're abbreviations and I did kinda go off on one of them particularly. I said someone was using IioA, information instead of analysis, but that there was not a lot of stuff to A at the time, again meaning analysis or its related verb. I think the others have also been explained. I am not trying to tease you. See I think I'm being totally straightforward and clear, and I'm not. Seemed perfectly clear to me...

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

I'll work on it. Several posts built that read.

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden Well, I like the dip. Makes a nice change from folks trying to kill me all the time. Fluff entrance. No big deal. Originally Posted by Harry Dresden I'll be honest. Day 1's (or even worse if we start on Night 1) are usually meh for me. I watch for slips, sometimes there are claims, but mostly the Day ends with a random jab at the pile of players to see if anything shakes out. So far, all I'm seeing is fluff - things are fairly normal IOW. First substantive post. "It's Day 1 -- don't bother trying" Originally Posted by Harry Dresden Sometimes verbal flourishes are just verbal flourishes. Speaking of players looking for reasons not to play, we have Number 5, who hasn't had internet and won't have internet. It's a long Day, but my vote currently is Vote for someone who is unable to play at the time and later explains that Number 5 was giving the appearance of playing, lowering expectations I guess. Originally Posted by Harry Dresden Which consist of telling us they haven't been online, won't be online, and a list of leans on other players. To spell things out, my "lean" on players who aren't around and won't be around is scum, particularly when they announce it. Policy voting lurkers. Null tell. Originally Posted by Harry Dresden I agree with this. I haven't used the random number generator as much as others do, but it usually makes as much sense as anything else on Day 1. I will add that this Day 1 is so long that things might start to shake out sooner than in a game with shorter Days. Nonsense that says nothing other than "I'm your buddy Hiro." Originally Posted by Harry Dresden I like this analysis. I do have one question. I am not familiar with the character "Dr. French". Is this character male or female? The avatar is female, so why are the pronouns in the analysis male? Again, not familiar with the hero in question, so this may mean nothing. Another "I'm your friend Ladybug couched with a decent question about pronouns. Originally Posted by Harry Dresden Not exactly. I'm voting for you because you set the expectation that you would contribute very little, while giving the appearance that you were participating. Vote defense mentioned previously. Letting us know about the internet problems and reading enough to give a reads list was giving the appearance of playing instead of actually playing. Originally Posted by Harry Dresden I agree. There's definitely a sense of team work there. "Atticus, atta boy. Go get 'em. Can we be friends?" Originally Posted by Harry Dresden Clarice and you both have used the male pronouns for Dr. French. I think you did it first, so I'll allow that she may have been influenced by your post. I believe that you both know that poster, however. It seems early in the game to recognize meta. I find it suspicious and I'm moving my vote, One redeeming post. Implies Ladybug, Clarice and I are teammates. But now that I was corrected on the Night 0 thing, this is more townie than not. Not a lock scum read, but closer than anything else I've seen. In particular his buddying of so many players and his no scum hunt or town hunt Day 1 policy. The closest has been the case on Clarice, naming Ladybug also, but it doesn't seem to fall in line with his Day 1 policy or something. It just feels wrong. That last part. Mainly it's the buddying.

[Doctor French]

It feels off somehow, that entire ISO.

[Doctor French]

Bogatyr, Ladybug strongest town reads

Clarice slight town lean

Sherlock -- still back and forth

Harry and Atticus -- scum leans, although really rethinking Harry based on that Night 0 thing.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Bogatyr, Ladybug strongest town reads

Clarice slight town lean

Sherlock -- still back and forth

Harry and Atticus -- scum leans, although really rethinking Harry based on that Night 0 thing.

Would also launch Steven Universe.

Not sure about Mantis and Mendie and Mulan. Having a difficult time with them.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

I did come up with a Google result.

There have been times when I have done perfectly innocent searches and ended up with results that were not expected. Usually with no warning.

Searching yours, I did get a warning.

I appreciated that warning and did not proceed further.

There is always the possibility that I misspelled or that auto[un]correct [un]corrected. Nevertheless.

OOG

I should have said, "... I'd want to see what comes up, that I didn't create."
But, uh, yes, .... those results, that's me, 99.9% certain of it.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Number 5

Since we're being meta, my reason for the Town lean on Mendie has more to do with whom I assume Mendie to be, in other mafia games. (If I'm correct, his style of posting can be frustrating to parse. I need more time to re-read what he's saying)

Noted.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

The official cartoon raccoon of the National Wildlife Federation. Also, a snarky reference to Mendie. Sorry for being obscure.

I was debating if and or how I was going to comment here on this.

But, I thought Ranger Rick was somehow tied into Weekly Reader? and that was somehow tied into big Tobacco?

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Can you re-explain this last bit? Which vote felt game breaking? The one you placed on me, or Sherlock’s vote on you, or your vote on Sherlock?

Noted.

[Steven Universe]

I have to admit, while I don't see players suspicions of me as being warranted, I also don't mind them at this early stage. I don't feel like I've said anything truly scummy or anything to make me look suspect, so really, the suspicion of me was kind of grasping at early Day 1 straws. So much of Day 1's are OMGUS votes, or random, or just flimsy cases. There are a few times that a case has merit, but I don't think this is one of them.

[Mantis]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

I like Harry's case here. Well, not really, but I like that he read your post carefully enough to notice the pronoun thing; I had missed it myself.

And at first I thought it might actually be valid; that you might have told each other your real identities in scumchat. But then I remembered that scum don't get to chat until Tonight.

In contrast to Atticus Finch's rather ham-handed attempt, this looks to me like it could be an actual case of Harry not knowing something that would be obvious to scum. Especially since the lack of scum daychat is fairly unusual on this board.

I believe Harry Dresden is town.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Late to the party apologies. Life overwhelms.

I need to talk this over with someone. Anyone currently online?

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Ok. I can be around a bit Tuesday and more during the week.

Question for Clarice Sterling:

In this post you say the whole cop claiming discussion is anti-Town and designed only to help reveal the Cop. This post basically accuses those who advocated the Cop plan of all being Scum. Why isn't your vote on any of them?

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

Late to the party apologies. Life overwhelms.

I need to talk this over with someone. Anyone currently online?

You mean like a moderator?

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

You mean like a moderator?

No. Someone like you.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Are you still here Ladybug?

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Ladybug, it is almost 300 posts to slog through after a long day at work. If you are able to be a helpful guide, I would appreciate it.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Mulan

I was totally confused by this, at first. It looked like you were voting Atticus for having decent points. But I'm now guessing that you're voting him for not knowing there are 2 scum teams. It is strange that Atticus read enough to know that there was a team of exactly 3 scum, but didn't read enough to know that there were 2 teams of 3. Nevertheless, it seems more like a mistake that town would make.

Could you walk me through your thought process? I tried to find an innocent explanation but couldn’t, the only thing that makes sense to me is that Atticus is a Producer, knows they need to find 3 scum (the villains), found a connection between three players and determined that they were the opposing scum team, from their point they then only need to pick off town and it’s game over, but since they’re posting in public, skipped the part where town needs to find the Producers.
From a town perspective, I see no realistic way to not realize there are two scum factions that need to be eliminated. Atticus clearly decided that the three were Villains, and only conceded that they could be Producers after being called out.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Could you walk me through your thought process? I tried to find an innocent explanation but couldn’t, the only thing that makes sense to me is that Atticus is a Producer, knows they need to find 3 scum (the villains), found a connection between three players and determined that they were the opposing scum team, from their point they then only need to pick off town and it’s game over, but since they’re posting in public, skipped the part where town needs to find the Producers.
From a town perspective, I see no realistic way to not realize there are two scum factions that need to be eliminated. Atticus clearly decided that the three were Villains, and only conceded that they could be Producers after being called out.

I think you may be right about this. It is an odd slip to make from any perspective.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

Ladybug, it is almost 300 posts to slog through after a long day at work. If you are able to be a helpful guide, I would appreciate it.

I’m here. Wow, let me try, but you must 100% read the thread yourself at some point before EoD as anything I post may be influenced by my reads and memory…

Page 1 Game has two scum teams of 3, each with a NK, Godfather, Doc and backup Doc. Town has Doc, Cop and Vig, multilynch is possible based on the number of town deaths each Night Day starts with early, apparently joke, votes on Sherlock by Hiro, later explained to be a random vote, and a desire to use the only power available, and an apparent Me Too by Doctor French, later explained to be for some other purpose, but neither random no piggy-back, the lack of reasoning has ruffled some feathers - Mantis snuggles me based on our gender, species and character, I distance myself, others suggest we know each other and are teammates, Mendie votes me for this reason - Bogatry and myself engage in some strategy

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

I’m here. Wow, let me try, but you must 100% read the thread yourself at some point before EoD as anything I post may be influenced by my reads and memory…

No, I have read the game. I am trying to get the feel of the game from players who have been playing it.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

My initial reaction is that most of the top posters are Town. Thus Scum probably inhabit the 12 or less posts list for the most part. The exception could be Doctor French, who I believe Bogatyr was seemingly soft accusing of being a Godfather.

[Ladybug]

Continuing, I suppose it’s useful recap for me too, other players may keep notes, I don’t.

Page 2 - Discussion of the early votes, whether jokes or with a purpose - Players checking in. Some comments on setup, terminology - Mantis asks whether the cop should claim, some discussion follows, as we have a Doc who could protect the Cop, general consensus is that a claim would be good, with some caveats - Sherlock votes Mendie for his over-thought contrived early placeholder vote on me

Page 3

On preview I see this is not needed, I thought it was a strange request, but I know the feeling coming in late and being overwhelmed…

It’s D1, but I feel we’re making decent progress, there are a good few reads, some meat to analyze, fun so far.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

The reason I say "slog" is that coming into the game by reading pages and pages of posts does not give you the same feel as actively playing. I get confused by the names because they are no longer players I can easily reference. It is hard to notice every time when conversations have been between players going back and forth, or if hours of time pass between.