HoH 6: Day 1

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Why would you go to a masquerade party and not guess who the others are? I think we've had this conversation before.

We should arrange for a side game to see who can identify the most socks correctly.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Whatever works. I'm in central time zone so about to go to bed. We can talk about whatever you like.

I'm curious why you thinnk you'd be nightkilled? I think a universal town read would have a decent chance of getting shot, but the two anti-town factions would be wary of doubling up I would think, which actually protects you more than any other player than one protected by the doc.

And what signals am I sending that I'm a godfather? If I am it's coincidental. I'm an ordinary hero that doesn't feel like one.

Re-reading that last line, I was trying to convey I don't feel like a hero, as in someone who does something courageous.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Simon Templar

No, let's just kill him/her. Evict, I mean.

This is a player who is just taunting us, daring us to vote there. One who either wants out of the game right now, and I'm happy to oblige, or thinks s/he will be around for the endgame because as GF s/he will come back as Town if investigated and can't be vigged or NKed because of scum doctor protection.

Continued repetition of standard scum tells, except for the amiable one. I sense yours was a pressure vote. This one isn't.

Unfortunately I missed the third vote on a wagon tell.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Whatever works. I'm in central time zone so about to go to bed. We can talk about whatever you like.

I'm curious why you thinnk you'd be nightkilled? I think a universal town read would have a decent chance of getting shot, but the two anti-town factions would be wary of doubling up I would think, which actually protects you more than any other player than one protected by the doc.

And what signals am I sending that I'm a godfather? If I am it's coincidental. I'm an ordinary hero that doesn't feel like one.

Too many people Town reading on Day one no less - makes me uncomfortable.
AND Town usually suspect everyone the first few.

I called you out already for the actions used that would draw in investigation

If you are not evicted

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Can you confirm that there is zero scum chat before N1?

First post in the rules.
Many have quoted it.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

[vote]Vote Mantis[vote]

I feel like I am being played. More so by the Mantis / Ladybug pairing. More so by Mantis.

There is something going on, .... in a lot of places, but this one is more hunch, as opposed to voting for Ladybug or Doctor French at present, I don't like other of those, but I can't put my finger on why. .... more.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Scum 1 and 2 have not been able to talk yet so there will be communication attempts in game.
Odd posts toDay will need a second look toMorrow.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

First post in the rules.
Many have quoted it.

I know, I’ve mentioned it myself, but with a number of people suggesting some sort of off-board communication despite the rules, I wonder if I’m being too literal and there actually was some sort of “Say Hi” or “Introduce yourselves” to your teammates allowed. Having the mod confirm zero scum chat would be helpful.

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

We should arrange for a side game to see who can identify the most socks correctly.

Sounds like fun. How would that work?

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Number 5

Players who are active participants but not giving me much to work with, leading me to suspect them as scum:

The Flash
Elsa Bloodstone
Buzz Lightyear
Mulan

Don Q: no read, nothing. Not a good sign

Uh, it's D1? Everybody's chatting, but there's no points of hard data yet, so...

I mean, yes, there's a proposed trio of Ladybug/Mindy/Dr. French as Scum, but if it is, it's lucky guesswork as far as I can tell. I've never been much good at cage-rattling as a maneuver, so I've been reading along and looking for clues, but there's nothing substantial.

Flash Fact: Scum lurk. Take a look at the last four games here on Giraffe. In each and every one, Scum can be found amongst the lowest posters. Therefore, my vote on Don Quixote.

[The Flash]

Uh, that shoulda been Ladybug/Mantis/Dr. French above. Sorry.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

I know, I’ve mentioned it myself, but with a number of people suggesting some sort of off-board communication despite the rules, I wonder if I’m being too literal and there actually was some sort of “Say Hi” or “Introduce yourselves” to your teammates allowed. Having the mod confirm zero scum chat would be helpful.

You are chasing fireflies
Chase the Scum

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

Too many people Town reading on Day one no less - makes me uncomfortable.
AND Town usually suspect everyone the first few.

I called you out already for the actions used that would draw in investigation

If you are not evicted

Got it. I wasn't sure what you were getting at, but now I understand. I find it interesting, but I do not agree.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

You are chasing fireflies
Chase the Scum

That’s your opinion, I can chase multiple avenues at the same time. I’m happy with my vote in Atticus, supported by his subsequent contributions, still think Steven Universe is a strong contender, and would be happy to see Buzz Lightyear launched too. And Doctor French, Harry, Elsa, maybe Clarice.

[Atticus_Finch]

Is a producer less likely than town or villains to realize there are two scum teams?
Is a villain more likely than producers or town to forget who his/her enemies are?
Or, is an ordinary townie who obviously didn't read the rules well enough just instinctively hunting the VILLIANS mentioned in the rules post?

I can't see how any of these scenarios is more likely than the other. If I were an unbiased observer, I would consider it a null tell. Ladybug can't see an innocent explanation for it. Personally, I can't see the sinister explanation for it.

People seem to be misreading the post as well as my follow-up post. When I said, "Game Over", I meant "Game Over for Scum". As in, "Game over, man! Pack it up!"
I was not meaning to say, "That's the end of this game, our WINCON is met!".

Ladybug asked about identifying the other scum team. At first, I was just like, "c'mon, do I have to find all the threats to town?" But then I thought, "Wait... "scum"? Are the producers actually "scum" or just a "threat to town". I did know that town needs to kill the purple produces as well as scum, but I didn't consider the producers "scum".
I went back and reread the rules thread and still didn't see it. I thought to myself, "I see villains (obviously scum. it's right there in the name, plus they are red). Then I see "Producers". Yes, they are anti-town, but are we calling them "scum"? Is a 3PK "scum"? Is an additional faction "scum"? Anyway, I didn't think much of it. I just chalked it up to semantics, more and more people seemed to be reading more into it than that.

I had to go back and re-read the rules thread again carefully just now to actually find where it says they are "scum". I must have glossed over rule #3... the first couple times. I just kept reading, "There are three teams..." and then skipping to the next rule.

I get it, though. It's Day 1. Anything and everything looks scummy. I'll start packing my luggage and preparing for check-out time. Do I pay for parking at the font desk in the lobby or directly with the machine in the garage? Also, I can keep the slippers, right?

[Ladybug]

You got slippers? I just got a chocolate on my pillow.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Atticus_Finch

People seem to be misreading the post as well as my follow-up post. When I said, "Game Over", I meant "Game Over for Scum". As in, "Game over, man! Pack it up!"
I was not meaning to say, "That's the end of this game, our WINCON is met!".

This is a stretch…

[Ladybug]

The original post for reference:

Originally Posted by Atticus_Finch

No one has blatantly stated it. But Mendie is putting as much effort into hinting to us that Mantis is new as Mantis is of acting the part. All of this, plus Number 5's early "town lean"?? I think we have our scum team right there. Once Mantis flips scum, it's eviction time for Mendie and Number 5. Game over!

[Ladybug]

I suppose the basic question for Atticus is why he deduced these three were the scum (Villain) team and not the other (Producers) team.

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

I suppose the basic question for Atticus is why he deduced these three were the scum (Villain) team and not the other (Producers) team.

Mainly because they are red. Less mainly because they are called villains. In my head, that equated to "scum".

[Ladybug]

OK, let me rephrase my question, you suspected three people were operating in coordination, why would these three people be “scum” and not whatever you thought the other faction was?

[Ladybug]

And the answer is: because you already knew they were not Producers…

[Mulan]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Flash Fact: Scum lurk. Take a look at the last four games here on Giraffe. In each and every one, Scum can be found amongst the lowest posters. Therefore, my vote on Don Quixote.

I would guess without looking (cause I'm too lazy to check facts) that scum could also be found amongst the highest posters and that scum could be found in the beer zone.

[Ladybug]

Oh, and what do you make of Number 5’s cop claim? Does it affect your case on Mantis?

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

This is a stretch…

It shouldn't be a stretch. I use this turn of phrase IRL all the time, where it only ever means:
1) Game over for you! [you lose, or you're done, or your participation in this activity has ended, etc.], or
2) Game over for me! [I've lost, or I'm finished, etc.].

It's always a negative connotation to denote losing, leaving, or quitting. I can't think of a single time I've ever said it in a positive way such as, "The game has ended and we have won!". In that case, I would probably just say "Victory!" or something like that.

YMMV

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Oh, and what do you make of Number 5’s cop claim? Does it affect your case on Mantis?

My case on Mantis is too weak to be effected by much of anything, really. It was a throw away, Day 1 comment and a mostly meaningless vote meant to stir conversation from and/or about Mantis. There was never any real threat of my vote staying on her. Pending, of course, any scummy responses or great points/discoveries noted by other players regarding her scumminess.

Yes, I do believe Number 5's claim, FWIW.

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

OK, let me rephrase my question, you suspected three people were operating in coordination, why would these three people be “scum” and not whatever you thought the other faction was?

I thought I mentioned that earlier. "Instinctively hunting scum".

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

And the answer is: because you already knew they were not Producers…

You think I'm a Producer? I guess I can see how that makes sense.

[Bogatyr]

3. There are three teams. Heroes- Town. Producers- Scum. Villains - Scum. One Town team and two separate scum teams.

Why is this an issue?

and Why did Finch not use it already?

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

Why is this an issue?

and Why did Finch not use it already?

What?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Doctor French (4): Clarice Sterling (175), Hiro Protagonist (190), Bogatyr (332), Simon Templar (344)
Atticus Finch (3): Ladybug (211), Sherlock Holmes (260), Bicycle Repair Man (304)
Mantis (2): Atticus_Finch (209), Mendie Taoma (347)
Don Quixote (1): The Flash (305)
The Flash (1): Number 5 (350)
Buzz Lightyear (1): Mantis (335)
Harry Dresden (1): Doctor French (268)
Ladybug (1): Mendie Taoma (39)[107], Harry Dresden (237)

Doctor French in the lead currently for the eviction. Just a reminder that I won't be around much Thursday or Friday morning as my family is taking a small trip together. Will be here periodically and also will be here for the end of Day on Friday.

[Atticus_Finch]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

You got slippers? I just got a chocolate on my pillow.

My secret power is Diamond Elite Medallion Status. I get suite upgrades, slippers, and 3x Membership Rewards on all HoH stays.

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Whatever works. I'm in central time zone so about to go to bed. We can talk about whatever you like.

Is this happening anytime? I see that Doctor French is provoking, and has been since the first post, is this trying out a new play style, like other always claim in the first post, spam the thread, or others just sit back, watch and digest?

[Steven Universe]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Is this happening anytime? I see that Doctor French is provoking, and has been since the first post, is this trying out a new play style, like other always claim in the first post, spam the thread, or others just sit back, watch and digest?

Can you say that again, please. Not quite clear what you are asking?

[Ladybug]

Missed a quote. Bogatyr voted Doctor French with an invitation to talk, there was a brief exchange but I was expecting more.
The rest of my post is about Doctor French and the “interesting” comments, as they are the vote leader, I’d like to hear some sort of defense or explanation.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Uh, it's D1? Everybody's chatting, but there's no points of hard data yet, so...

I mean, yes, there's a proposed trio of Ladybug/Mindy/Dr. French as Scum, but if it is, it's lucky guesswork as far as I can tell. I've never been much good at cage-rattling as a maneuver, so I've been reading along and looking for clues, but there's nothing substantial.

So your strategy is to amble about, hoping for someone to slip up so you can say "a-HA!"?

Flash Fact: Scum lurk. Take a look at the last four games here on Giraffe. In each and every one, Scum can be found amongst the lowest posters. Therefore, my vote on Don Quixote.

Just because the recent games featured timid scum is no reason to assume the same applies here. There are 19 players in this game, and I'll bet most haven't played recently

[Mantis]

Originally Posted by Clarice Sterling

It would also be nice if you provided evidence as to why you feel the way you do. Rather then the seemingly random list….

My strong feelings are posted before when I notice them. My weak feelings because of their posts, no one post only. I have no feelings because when some players do not post much.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Is this happening anytime? I see that Doctor French is provoking, and has been since the first post, is this trying out a new play style, like other always claim in the first post, spam the thread, or others just sit back, watch and digest?

I'm reading this exchange as some form of handshaking

It's not changing my leans as of yet, but I am disturbed by it. Maybe this is acceptable in mafia but it was frowned upon before (when used by Town)

[Number 5]

The previous post was meant to include Bogatyr as well

[Ladybug]

The exchange between Bogatyr and Doctor French?

[Mantis]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

Because?

Because I vote for player I have no feeling. Today is hard to know everyone and I want to know more of some players.

[Mantis]

Originally Posted by Number 5

Players who are active participants but not giving me much to work with, leading me to suspect them as scum:

The Flash
Elsa Bloodstone
Buzz Lightyear
Mulan

Don Q: no read, nothing. Not a good sign

Yes, they are my trouble players also.

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Number 5

So your strategy is to amble about, hoping for someone to slip up so you can say "a-HA!"?

Just because the recent games featured timid scum is no reason to assume the same applies here. There are 19 players in this game, and I'll bet most haven't played recently

No, my strategy is to play evict-the-lurker unless there's an actual case to be made. It's my usual D1 strategy. If more people tried it, it'd work.

The fact that we have new people here, and unused to our group, makes me think they'd tend to lurk MORE not less.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Number 5

Interesting you would point to Mendie > Ladybug as an example.

I'm not questioning your reason for suspecting Harry. Day 1 tends to lean towards fluff. However I will be watching for Harry's reply to this before EOD

And here it is [bodling mine]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Sometimes verbal flourishes are just verbal flourishes. Speaking of players looking for reasons not to play, we have Number 5, who hasn't had internet and won't have internet.

It's a long Day, but my vote currently is

[vote]Number 5[vote]

So Harry's reply was a shrug and pivot to accuse me of not participating

Noted

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

The exchange between Bogatyr and Doctor French?

Yes

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Mantis

Because I vote for player I have no feeling. Today is hard to know everyone and I want to know more of some players.

Please use a few more words so we can parse your thoughts.
If you are in character fine
but you need to make yourself understood

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by The Flash

<snip>

No, my strategy is to play evict-the-lurker unless there's an actual case to be made. It's my usual D1 strategy. If more people tried it, it'd work.

The fact that we have new people here, and unused to our group, makes me think they'd tend to lurk MORE not less.

There are plenty who aren't lurking, and some who have made grievous slips. Directing your scrutiny on the non-active players isn't helpful to Town

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

The exchange between Bogatyr and Doctor French?

Are you trying to see if you were included in the mix?

[Bogatyr]

Please note some exchanges are bait
Not barter

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Number 5

There are plenty who aren't lurking, and some who have made grievous slips. Directing your scrutiny on the non-active players isn't helpful to Town

In the vast majority of games I've played, what have been called as "grievous slips" on D1 is merely a Townie putting his/her foot in the mouth. Sometimes not, but mostly so. Directing my scrutiny on non-active players does help, because if we get rid of those who aren't participating early, we won't have them lurking in the background later.

[The Flash]

And, Number 5, looking at the list of people you're targeting on: me, Elisa Bloodstone, Buzz Lightyear, Mulan -- which ones of those have made grievous slips? I must've missed it.