HoH 6: Day 1

[Ladybug]

@Harry, @buzz, what are your thoughts on the current launch candidates?

[Buzz Lightyear]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

@Harry, @buzz, what are your thoughts on the current launch candidates?

Currently undecided on whether it just a misguided bus or if something has been caught, hence my silence on the matter.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Well, I just explained why I do think it's possible, and you're the target, so here's me taking your advice with a giant grain of salt.

Also, in case anyone missed it in my wall o' text, scum players DO know who their other teammates are. This means that they can act, toDay, to try and influence votes in the favor of scum. We should look for that.

I don't see if you understand that there are two scum teams, each with their separate wincon. Scum must battle other scum, as well as Town

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

Sorry, someone had turned me off. Probably Andy’s mom when I was going off nonstop during the party…

But now I’m craving a burrito….

As for the actual game, I know there are scum abound, but nothing is really standing out right now…. I do understand that some people would be going for lynch the lurker, especially considering that the last couple of games that strategy actually had a scum in it. But everyone plays differently, so we can’t use that strategy. Instead I would encourage everyone to not look at the quantity of posts, but at the quality. Are they using their posts wisely, or just blowing smoke?

And does it make sense?

So do you have any leans at all?

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

Currently undecided on whether it just a misguided bus or if something has been caught, hence my silence on the matter.

(I missed this while typing)

Do you have leans on anyone else?

(Yes I'm aware I'm repeating myself)

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Do you want to enlighten us now?

* * *
Isn’t that what he’s being accused of? I find myself in agreement with more of his reads but have no reason to want to keep him alive over other candidates.

I realize this quote is severely snipped, but the way it was quoted through the quote function was stupid awkward. So I just pasted in the two questions.

Answer to the first: I really don't want to say anything about it. People can read into it what they want. In my eyes it's harmless fun.

Answer to the second: If you're talking about me, I didn't realize I was being accused of something other than being a godfather, and I don't think that follows from the quote by Bicycle Repair Man.

[Ladybug]

That you’re trying to attract an investigation, yes, and so that’s why you are a launch candidate today.

[Steven Universe]

VOTE COUNT

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Doctor French (4): Clarice Sterling (175), Hiro Protagonist (190), Bogatyr (332), Simon Templar (344)
Atticus Finch (3): Ladybug (211), Sherlock Holmes (260), Bicycle Repair Man (304)
Mantis (2): Atticus_Finch (209), Mendie Taoma (347)
Don Quixote (1): The Flash (305)
Steven Universe (1): Ladybug (117)[211], Doctor French (425)
The Flash (1): Number 5 (350)
Buzz Lightyear (1): Mantis (335)
Ladybug (1): Mendie Taoma (39)[107], Harry Dresden (237)
Clarice Sterling (0): Doctor French (171)[268]
Number 5 (0): Harry Dresden (186)[237]
Hiro Protagonist (0): Simon Templar (149)[344]
Mendie Taoma (0): Sherlock Holmes (91)[260]
Sherlock Holmes (0): Hiro Protagonist (21)[190], Doctor French (26)[171], Mendie Taoma (107)[199]
Harry Dresden (0): Doctor French (268)[425]

[Steven Universe]

For reasons most others have mentioned, plus just my own feelings..

Vote Doctor French

[Clarice Sterling]

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

Sorry, someone had turned me off. Probably Andy’s mom when I was going off nonstop during the party…

But now I’m craving a burrito….

As for the actual game, I know there are scum abound, but nothing is really standing out right now…. I do understand that some people would be going for lynch the lurker, especially considering that the last couple of games that strategy actually had a scum in it. But everyone plays differently, so we can’t use that strategy. Instead I would encourage everyone to not look at the quantity of posts, but at the quality. Are they using their posts wisely, or just blowing smoke?

And does it make sense?

I agree with this sentiment, but Buzz you have to join us for dinner here not just be in the area!

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Mantis appears to be in character, role playing. We don't really have players who do that on this board. Because it's rare, it makes Mantis stand out. I don't know that a scum player makes an effort to attract attention like that. For that reason I'm reserving a read there until I have more information.

So, you are saying here that scum wouldn't do that. A thing to attract attention. I believe there is some kind of saying that there is nothing scum won't do, have you heard that one? And it's been mentioned that there is one reason scum might want to attract a bit of attention, not enough to get evicted, but enough to, say, run a credit check, or something.

Speaking of scum, has anyone checked out that hot tub? There's another dip I'm going to avoid.

[The Flash]

The hot tub? The one with the frayed power cord and the residue from Hotel of Heroes 5? No thanks.



I still think we oughta be evicting the lurkers. Really I do, but I seem to be alone in that regard.

The cases on the 3 main contenders for tomorrow's eviction are:

1) Doctor French. The case goes that she's attracting attention to herself, which may possible mean she's a Godfather who hopes to benefit from being checked out by the Cop. Maybe, but she's also either the top poster or one of them, and her posts don't lack content. I won't be voting there toDay.

2) Mantis. She's playing in character. I've been in one of these HoH's playing in character myself. I'd only do it when I was Town. It comes off scummy to many. I was evicted. I'll pass on Mantis.

3) Atticus Finch. He made a slip. It may have been a Town slip, but it was a slip. His attempts to defend himself made him look worse. And he hasn't posted all that much. Consequently,



There's still lots of time until EoD. Anything can happen.

[The Flash]

...and, yes, I realize that makes a tie for first place. But there's a lot of time and a number of votes that haven't been cast. And, besides, I always think we can learn a lot from ties.

[Bear_Nenno]

What exactly is "a town slip", Flash?? Also, 5-4 is not a tie.

[Harry Dresden]

Originally Posted by Number 5

I don't see if you understand that there are two scum teams, each with their separate wincon. Scum must battle other scum, as well as Town

I do realize there are 2 scum teams. I was hoping that some maneuvering would be visible if a fellow scum were in trouble. I think others are right that given the numbers it would be hard to see this at this point. I'll look for it anyway but it's a long shot.

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

What exactly is "a town slip", Flash?? Also, 5-4 is not a tie.

Oh, hi, Bear! Glad to see you back.
A Town slip is a slip by a Townperson that looks scummy to other players.
I missed Steven Universe's vote on Doctor French, and was going by the last tally.

[Harry Dresden]

Originally Posted by The Flash

The hot tub? The one with the frayed power cord and the residue from Hotel of Heroes 5? No thanks.



I still think we oughta be evicting the lurkers. Really I do, but I seem to be alone in that regard.

The cases on the 3 main contenders for tomorrow's eviction are:

1) Doctor French. The case goes that she's attracting attention to herself, which may possible mean she's a Godfather who hopes to benefit from being checked out by the Cop. Maybe, but she's also either the top poster or one of them, and her posts don't lack content. I won't be voting there toDay.

2) Mantis. She's playing in character. I've been in one of these HoH's playing in character myself. I'd only do it when I was Town. It comes off scummy to many. I was evicted. I'll pass on Mantis.

3) Atticus Finch. He made a slip. It may have been a Town slip, but it was a slip. His attempts to defend himself made him look worse. And he hasn't posted all that much. Consequently,

[vote] Atticus Finch [ /vote]

There's still lots of time until EoD. Anything can happen.

Atticus's slip was being confused about scum teams, correct? This has been interpreted as not understanding the rules, and that misunderstanding being more likely for town than scum. I don't understand the votes there. Is there more to the case against Atticus?

[The Flash]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Atticus's slip was being confused about scum teams, correct? This has been interpreted as not understanding the rules, and that misunderstanding being more likely for town than scum. I don't understand the votes there. Is there more to the case against Atticus?

Ladybug caught the "slip" around 210-211. They've been going back and forth since, mostly in the area of 364-377.

The more I look, the less convinced I am. But that's also true of Doctor French's case.

[Ladybug]

Atticus identified a possible connection between three players and determined they were the scum team. After prodding they conceded that the three could also be Producers, which s/he not considered as scum, or at most considered a third party faction…
My hypothesis is that Atticus is a Producer, and therefore already knows those team members, so only needs to find the opposing scum team, as everyone else is Town, hence the “game over” comment upon identifying three coordinating people… Even if Atticus had identified three players as nefarious anti-town, there is no Townie motivation for considering them Villains and not Producers, whether they are called scum, PFK, or whatever.

[Elsa Bloodstone]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

What kind of patterns are you looking for? What do you think they will tell you,?

Sorry, day job got in tube way of the Day job again. I'm looking for patterns like... How people are interacting. I'm HOPING it will illuminate the teams were looking for.

[Simon Templar]

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

Currently undecided on whether it just a misguided bus or if something has been caught, hence my silence on the matter.

This is bothering me. A misguided bus OR something caught?

What do you mean by "a misguided bus"? Because when I think of bus, I think of it as a scum/scum thing.

Also curious which of the top candidates you refer to here. Or actually you didn't even say top candidates.

[Ladybug]

Bothers me too as I don’t know which of the top three vote-getters is being referred to, or if all three…

[Ladybug]

Originally Posted by Elsa Bloodstone

Sorry, day job got in tube way of the Day job again. I'm looking for patterns like... How people are interacting. I'm HOPING it will illuminate the teams were looking for.

What do you make of the Mantis/Ladybug, Doctor French/Bogatyr, Mendie/Sherlock interactions? No patterns?

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Atticus identified a possible connection between three players and determined they were the scum team. After prodding they conceded that the three could also be Producers, which s/he not considered as scum, or at most considered a third party faction…
My hypothesis is that Atticus is a Producer, and therefore already knows those team members, so only needs to find the opposing scum team, as everyone else is Town, hence the “game over” comment upon identifying three coordinating people… Even if Atticus had identified three players as nefarious anti-town, there is no Townie motivation for considering them Villains and not Producers, whether they are called scum, PFK, or whatever.

One method of learning how scum operate is watching the voting tally D1. Scum start out voting for the person Town thinks is scummy (in this case, Dr French), but will try to push a vote onto someone which they know to be Town. This is leading Town to the well, so to speak: scum make the case against a player, convince Town to follow, and when said player flips Town, cry "oh woe is us, how could we fail so badly?" [insert crocodile tears]

But with this setup, there are two scum factions, so scum could be pushing a vote on someone they think might be Town, but if it turns out to be scum from another faction, they can rejoice with Town on a job well done. In this game, voting tallies could be the crucial component to finding scum

If/when town evicts a scum, look back to D1 voting for clues

[Number 5]

I get the impression that some players are cruising along, waiting for EoD and D2 before they start making inquiries of others. I don't consider this a scum-tell, as Townies are sometimes unsure to speak out lest they be marked for eviction
This is anti-Town. Get an impression or lean posted, to give Town something to have if you're gone toMorrow

[Steven Universe]

Originally Posted by Ladybug

Atticus identified a possible connection between three players and determined they were the scum team. After prodding they conceded that the three could also be Producers, which s/he not considered as scum, or at most considered a third party faction…
My hypothesis is that Atticus is a Producer, and therefore already knows those team members, so only needs to find the opposing scum team, as everyone else is Town, hence the “game over” comment upon identifying three coordinating people… Even if Atticus had identified three players as nefarious anti-town, there is no Townie motivation for considering them Villains and not Producers, whether they are called scum, PFK, or whatever.

I have to admit, I've been giving you the side eye for awhile now, but this theory I like. I'm not sure if I want to change my vote off of Frenchie, but it definately is making me feel a bit better about you.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Oh, hi, Bear! Glad to see you back.
A Town slip is a slip by a Townperson that looks scummy to other players.

We are incredibly dead at work. So I'm posting this, on my phone, from work.

1. This account is having a conniption over the above quote. Just know that.

2. Misguided Bus

I wanted to chime in here. As I immediately took the term / phrase, and still do, I understand the term to in effect mean that townies have been sold a bill of goods. They all bought into it, and as such they form a party / bus / collective of like voters.

I have reservations on changing my vote to Atticus. I see the argument, and yes I even furthered it to some extent. But... Finally, as far as thought and vote ... I am not moved. This ultimately will prove to be bad for me. ... I fear.

[Mendie Taoma]

I'm gonna stir this pot for PeekerCPA.

And, well, that's the long and the short of it.

Town, watch the votes and justifications after this post, and after I make my exit from the game. Whenever that is.

[Mendie Taoma]

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[Mendie Taoma]

Do they underscore, or don't they?
Only the Mafia Vote Count robot knows for sure!

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Doctor French (5): Clarice Sterling (175), Hiro Protagonist (190), Bogatyr (332), Simon Templar (344), Steven Universe (459)
Atticus Finch (5): Ladybug (211), Sherlock Holmes (260), Bicycle Repair Man (304), The Flash (462), Mendie Taoma (480)
Steven Universe (1): Ladybug (117)[211], Doctor French (425)
The Flash (1): Number 5 (350)
Buzz Lightyear (1): Mantis (335)
Mantis (1): Atticus_Finch (209), Mendie Taoma (347)[478]
Ladybug (1): Mendie Taoma (39)[107], Harry Dresden (237)

We have a tie for first right now with about 22 hours to go. However, Doctor French reached the top eviction vote total first and will be evicted if nothing changes.

Day 1 has about 22 hours left.

[Number 5]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

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Woot

[Doctor French]

A second tier scum read. I can see the slip as just poor word choice. The follow-up was pretty bad for an exoskeleton. But this is the smartest vote for me to make at this point anyway so being a scum read of any tier is a bonus

[Doctor French]

*explanation

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

I realize this quote is severely snipped, but the way it was quoted through the quote function was stupid awkward. So I just pasted in the two questions.

Answer to the first: I really don't want to say anything about it. People can read into it what they want. In my eyes it's harmless fun.

.

You have been called out and voted Near to death and that is your response?
OK when you are evicted your master plan will be moot. What you thought you were angling for will be lost.
This reads like " I thought it would work but I don't have an excuse"
Because your voters are correct.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Bogatyr

You have been called out and voted Near to death and that is your response?

OK when you are evicted your master plan will be moot. What you thought you were angling for will be lost.

This reads like " I thought it would work but I don't have an excuse"

Because your voters are correct.

The person it relates to isn't even in the game to my knowledge, but I still thought someone would call it out as an homage of sorts. But not too be.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Steven Universe

I have to admit, while I don't see players suspicions of me as being warranted, I also don't mind them at this early stage. I don't feel like I've said anything truly scummy or anything to make me look suspect, so really, the suspicion of me was kind of grasping at early Day 1 straws. So much of Day 1's are OMGUS votes, or random, or just flimsy cases. There are a few times that a case has merit, but I don't think this is one of them.

This post has no point to make and no reason to exist.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by The Flash

Oh, hi, Bear! Glad to see you back.

A Town slip is a slip by a Townperson that looks scummy to other players.

I missed Steven Universe's vote on Doctor French, and was going by the last tally.

That's not what I understand a townslip to be.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Doctor French

The person it relates to isn't even in the game to my knowledge, but I still thought someone would call it out as an homage of sorts. But not too be.

So explain it FFS
If you can of course

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Number 5

I'm reading this exchange as some form of handshaking

It's not changing my leans as of yet, but I am disturbed by it. Maybe this is acceptable in mafia but it was frowned upon before (when used by Town)

You later clarified that you actually meant the exchange between Bog and Dr. French, right? I'm not sure what you saw there, but I did note that some interactions between those two in the first few pages seemed a bit forced. Not something I'm actively pursuing but wanted to get it out there in case I perish early.

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Atticus's slip was being confused about scum teams, correct? This has been interpreted as not understanding the rules, and that misunderstanding being more likely for town than scum. I don't understand the votes there. Is there more to the case against Atticus?

His explanation as he put it for the misunderstanding was pretty bad. I don't know the post number and I'm not on PC or I'd hunt it down, but it was kinda flailing I think. Just didn't look like a townie mindset behind it

[Hiro Protagonist]

The powers that be have decided that the Giraffe Boards is no longer fit to be accessible via the company's network, so my available playing time has been severely curtailed...but I'll do my best to keep up.

A few observations from the past few pages of posts:

Originally Posted by Clarice Sterling

But why not read and take accountability for your vote vs using random.org. It seems so lazy and gives us virtually no information so day 2 is just a repeat of day 1.

I disagree. I think it gives just about the same amount of information as "I'm voting for Bob because he said something that vaguely sounds like it could be a 'scum slip'". And Day 2 is never going to be a repeat of Day 1 - because Day 1 (and Night 1) have happened...and that gives us some solid information to work with.

Whether or not we are able to make good use of that information is a different story...but at least it's there.

Originally Posted by Number 5

By "limited", I mean RL doesn't allow me much time for posting, let alone reading other posts. I'm on my lunchbreak now.

Since we're being meta, my reason for the Town lean on Mendie has more to do with whom I assume Mendie to be, in other mafia games. (If I'm correct, his style of posting can be frustrating to parse. I need more time to re-read what he's saying)

I know exactly what you're saying here, and I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

[ vote]Vote Mantis[/vote]

I feel like I am being played. More so by the Mantis / Ladybug pairing. More so by Mantis.

There is something going on, .... in a lot of places, but this one is more hunch, as opposed to voting for Ladybug or Doctor French at present, I don't like other of those, but I can't put my finger on why. .... more.

The more I read, the more I am put off my Mantis. I'm not sure which I like worse at this point: Doctor French for making judgements but refusing to share their thought process, of Mantis for their "feelings posts". I understand that one or both of them may be attempting to post in character; I still find them both off-putting.

Originally Posted by Doctor French

Is there something I haven't answered?

Is there anything you have answered?

Originally Posted by Doctor French

I thought I had already done this.

[ unvote] those votes that I made before [/unvote]

[ vote]Steven Universe[/vote]

I'm quoting Doctor French here, but they are not the only person whose done this...

I don't like it when people unvote "whoever I was voting for". It suggests that they don't actually remember where their vote is...which suggests that they don't really care too much about their vote. And the only reason I can think of for not caring who I am voting for is if I don't really care if their Scum or not.

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

I also would prefer Doctor French to not die toDay.

Why not? several people have explained why they would prefer the Doctor to be evicted; what reason do you have for thinking they should stay?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

FWIW it should probably be noted, and probably most by me, that I don't think a ""new"" player would even begin to know how to do this, let alone feel compelled to do it. This doesn't mesh with the rest of ...... all of Mantis.

re: Mantis' post, I want to submit this to poetry journals and see if any of them bite.

re: Mendel's post, can you remind me when Mantis said they were ""new"", and why it would be scummy if they turned out to have been lying?

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

This post has no point to make and no reason to exist.

I might have used more words Sherlock

It does read a bit like "it wont evict me toDay - so I am not really addressing it.I am innocent- really
D1 sucks"


An attitude to log for later though.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

[Bolding mine]

Do you favor evicting non-participants? Before we can learn anything about them?

I like to hear someone speak [post] before eviction. Let the moderator decide to remove or replace them for not playing.

If they're not going to post in a week-long Day One, why should we keep giving them chances over people who are posting?

[Doctor French]

Originally Posted by Elsa Bloodstone

Sorry, day job got in tube way of the Day job again. I'm looking for patterns like... How people are interacting. I'm HOPING it will illuminate the teams were looking for.

This is a solid scum read for me despite the lack of content. I tried to ask an open ended question to get Elsa to share some thoughts. I guess these are thoughts but very surface level. This player isn't even trying.

[Hiro Protagonist]

I'm leaving my vote on Doctor French at this time. I get the feeling that the case on Atticus Finch is a combination of "honest mistake" by a Townie, and a Scum-driven (or at least Scum-steered) bandwagon.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

Sorry, someone had turned me off. Probably Andy’s mom when I was going off nonstop during the party…

But now I’m craving a burrito….

As for the actual game, I know there are scum abound, but nothing is really standing out right now…. I do understand that some people would be going for lynch the lurker, especially considering that the last couple of games that strategy actually had a scum in it. But everyone plays differently, so we can’t use that strategy. Instead I would encourage everyone to not look at the quantity of posts, but at the quality. Are they using their posts wisely, or just blowing smoke?

And does it make sense?

This post is just blowing smoke and makes no sense.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Originally Posted by The Flash

The hot tub? The one with the frayed power cord and the residue from Hotel of Heroes 5? No thanks.



I still think we oughta be evicting the lurkers. Really I do, but I seem to be alone in that regard.

The cases on the 3 main contenders for tomorrow's eviction are:

1) Doctor French. The case goes that she's attracting attention to herself, which may possible mean she's a Godfather who hopes to benefit from being checked out by the Cop. Maybe, but she's also either the top poster or one of them, and her posts don't lack content. I won't be voting there toDay.

2) Mantis. She's playing in character. I've been in one of these HoH's playing in character myself. I'd only do it when I was Town. It comes off scummy to many. I was evicted. I'll pass on Mantis.

3) Atticus Finch. He made a slip. It may have been a Town slip, but it was a slip. His attempts to defend himself made him look worse. And he hasn't posted all that much. Consequently,



There's still lots of time until EoD. Anything can happen.

I'd really not been liking the Flash but this post shows a solving thought process...he's voting the player he feels most nearly fits into his evict-the-lurker strategy.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

I'm leaving my vote on Doctor French at this time. I get the feeling that the case on Atticus Finch is a combination of "honest mistake" by a Townie, and a Scum-driven (or at least Scum-steered) bandwagon.

True.

But it kinda changes things, when you realize that your ((My)) vote can even up the candidates.... Tie breaker such that it is, sure, but we still have time to move votes.

Not sure if you wanted me to defend my vote with the above, but, there you go.