Chicago Mafia Day 4: Rhapsody in Blue

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Biotop, please explain. 💙

OOG: Tonight is my last night in my home of 16 years, moving into a hotel tomorrow and I’m having a seriously rough night. I ordered dinner to take a break from packing, spilled my entire dinner on the carpet (good thing the buyers are ripping up the carpet), and had no paper towels to clean it up with, so I raced off to the drugstore without my phone, only to lock my keys in the car.

A kid at the drugstore let me use his phone and fortunately I was able to remember one of my daughters’ phone numbers- it was the one in Pittsburgh but I asked her to call her sister at home to pick me up.

And as soon as I hung up I realized she wouldn’t be able to drive because she’d taken medication that interferes with driving, so I just walked home. Of course I didn’t have a coat either because I never wear a coat for 5 minute drives.

I don’t know why I’m telling you guys all of this, except that I need a hug and a drink, and to cry, but I don’t seem capable of crying anymore.

Oh Angel...

[Mahaloth]

I believe Biotop. I mean, seems fairly legit? Maybe...third party? I doubt it.

[unvote Biotop]

[Mahaloth]

[Archangel]

Thanks, guys. 💙

I am a tough old bitch but every tough old bitch has a little girl inside waiting for someone to rescue her.

Fortunately I do have one person I can count on- myself. Will just keep repeating that to myself today- I have never let myself down.

(Yay, I sound like B movie noir dialogue.)

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I believe Biotop. I mean, seems fairly legit? Maybe...third party? I doubt it.

[unvote Biotop]

I believe him too, this claim feels real.

But if he’s third party I wish he would tell us.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Aww Angel, so sorry you are having a hard time

I am on board with a mass claim. I want the Masons to participate, though.

I do think Biotop's claim has the ring of truth but I'm not putting too much stock in that.

[Bashorian Clement]

In Biotop's PM it says he has no extra ability. Has anyone flipped vanilla?

[Eristic Widgeon]

Offhand I remember Swammi and Squink were vanilla (and Dante was vanilla scum).

[Biotop]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

In Biotop's PM it says he has no extra ability. Has anyone flipped vanilla?

No extra abilities. No third party. But I do have a baleful moan that echoes through the streets like a chilly wind.

[Eristic Widgeon]

OK, we have less than 24 hours to go, everyone seems Town, nobody is posting AND we have an even number of players.

Unless somebody comes up with a better plan, for now I'm going to

vote No Yeet

[Bashorian Clement]

If there are two kills tonight we'll be at evens still.

[Bashorian Clement]

Not the worst thing in the world, but hmm. I dunno.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Biotop

No extra abilities. No third party. But I do have a baleful moan that echoes through the streets like a chilly wind.

I think you're outside my house right now.

[Vanta Black]

With fewer than 12 hours to go before EoD we have one vote.

No elimination (1): Eristic Widgeon 174

Not voting: Archangel, Bashorian Clement, Biotop, Mahaloth, Mordenkainen, raventhief, Silverjan, and the Restless Chicago Spirits*

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #9: Archangel voted Colby post #10: Mahaloth voted Colby post #12: raventhief voted Colby post #13: Bashorian Clement voted Colby post #30: Biotop voted Colby11 post #49: Eristic Widgeon voted Colby11 post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #80: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #82: raventhief unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth voted Biotop post #84: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #85: Bashorian Clement unvoted Prior post #85: Bashorian Clement voted Biotop post #86: Archangel unvoted All post #91: Bashorian Clement unvoted .. post #103: Mahaloth unvoted Biotop post #110: Eristic Widgeon illegally voted No Yeet

*Although I should note that the Restless Chicago Spirits have been voting, the result of those votes will be determined and will appear approximately two hours before EoD. The unspoiled dead, a/k/a Restless Chicago Spirits, should get their votes to the mod (or change them, if so inclined) any time before 10am Chicago time on Tuesday, March 1.

[Silverjan]

Because I think there could be a GodFather in this game and he came in at the end of yesterDay and reviewed Colby over Texcat, who had the most votes. Colby wasn't in any danger at that time. He is also keeping a very low profile and hasn't posted since D3.

[Mahaloth]

Is no yeet better somehow? I can change my vote if needed, though this "noon chicago time" may be hard for me to get back before.

[Archangel]

I don’t like the no yeet, not for numbers purposes but because it gives us no further data.

[Archangel]

Jan’s argument about reviewing Colby yesterday is a good one. And the three people I was initially suspicious of were Dante, TexCat, and Mordenkainen.

[Archangel]

Although if we have one scum left and one third party left the vote record isn’t going to matter anymore, is it? I still think it’s better to have movement rather than no yeet.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Jan’s argument about reviewing Colby yesterday is a good one. And the three people I was initially suspicious of were Dante, TexCat, and Mordenkainen.

Actiually it's not, because I never actually did so, nor did I say he was first on my list. I said Silverjan was. See post D03.310.

Events overtook me before I got to Colby, but I have completed SJ.

I now want to take a side point before writing the Jan review. We now know that Colby was Town, and therefore we can trust what he said in game.

Since he claimed he could not gain more ammo if he shot someone who was not a threat to Town, and also that it was possible for him to reload his weapon, Tinker - and therefore all 3Ps - are a threat to Town. IMO, we now need to look for 3Ps as urgently as Mafia lest we slip and allow the 3Ps to take the win from Town.

Next post - Silverjan.

[Eristic Widgeon]

I certainly understand the case against Mordenkainen, but I really don't think it's a good idea to yeet the cop-confirmed town based on "there might be a Godfather".

And no-yeet isn't a great idea either, because they'll probably just kill Angel and we'll get no information from that.

I guess I still think the least implausible solution is to

vote Biotop

who despite his vote record has been rather quiet this game and hasn't done any scum hunting to speak of lately.

If that doesn't end the game, then Tomorrow I would demand that the Masons open up their magic bag for public inspection, and only if their story seems to hold together would I consider Mordenkainen.

[Eristic Widgeon]

O Your Modliness, do investigative roles who get killed at Night still get their results for that Night?

Cos it occurs to me that if they do, then we should be paying close attention to the dead vote the Day after Angel dies. I see the Mod hasn't made it clear whether there is a dead chat or not, but if there isn't the other dead should just not vote that Day and let Angel send her message from beyond the grave.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Actiually it's not, because I never actually did so, nor did I say he was first on my list. I said Silverjan was. See post D03.310.

Events overtook me before I got to Colby, but I have completed SJ.

I now want to take a side point before writing the Jan review. We now know that Colby was Town, and therefore we can trust what he said in game.

Since he claimed he could not gain more ammo if he shot someone who was not a threat to Town, and also that it was possible for him to reload his weapon, Tinker - and therefore all 3Ps - are a threat to Town. IMO, we now need to look for 3Ps as urgently as Mafia lest we slip and allow the 3Ps to take the win from Town.

Next post - Silverjan.

I thought someone told me Colby was out of shots, and, in fact, he said that he was essentially VT.

[Bashorian Clement]

Also, I don't know what the 3P wincon is, but mine is that all anti-Town threats have to be eliminated. So eliminating 3P in favor of scum may or may not be necessary.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

I certainly understand the case against Mordenkainen, but I really don't think it's a good idea to yeet the cop-confirmed town based on "there might be a Godfather".

And no-yeet isn't a great idea either, because they'll probably just kill Angel and we'll get no information from that.

I guess I still think the least implausible solution is to

vote Biotop

who despite his vote record has been rather quiet this game and hasn't done any scum hunting to speak of lately.

If that doesn't end the game, then Tomorrow I would demand that the Masons open up their magic bag for public inspection, and only if their story seems to hold together would I consider Mordenkainen.

If you knew that Angel wasn't going to die tonight, would that change your calculus?

[Bashorian Clement]

Since Biotop doesn't have a clear like Mordenkainen, I'd rather go this way.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Actiually it's not, because I never actually did so, nor did I say he was first on my list. I said Silverjan was. See post D03.310.

Events overtook me before I got to Colby, but I have completed SJ.

I now want to take a side point before writing the Jan review. We now know that Colby was Town, and therefore we can trust what he said in game.

Since he claimed he could not gain more ammo if he shot someone who was not a threat to Town, and also that it was possible for him to reload his weapon, Tinker - and therefore all 3Ps - are a threat to Town. IMO, we now need to look for 3Ps as urgently as Mafia lest we slip and allow the 3Ps to take the win from Town.

Next post - Silverjan.

I stand corrected- I just reread your posts quickly and what you’re saying here seems to be accurate.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Actiually it's not, because I never actually did so, nor did I say he was first on my list. I said Silverjan was. See post D03.310.

Events overtook me before I got to Colby, but I have completed SJ.

I now want to take a side point before writing the Jan review. We now know that Colby was Town, and therefore we can trust what he said in game.

Since he claimed he could not gain more ammo if he shot someone who was not a threat to Town, and also that it was possible for him to reload his weapon, Tinker - and therefore all 3Ps - are a threat to Town. IMO, we now need to look for 3Ps as urgently as Mafia lest we slip and allow the 3Ps to take the win from Town.

Next post - Silverjan.

Good point, we have confirmation third parties are a threat to town.

[Mordenkainen]

Silverjan.

First of all, the elephant in the room. When I first saw her vote for me my gut reaction was "OMGUS!" I deliberately took a step back and calmed down before tackling the last part of her read so it wasn't contaminated by that visceral reaction.

After reading Day 1, I came away with the conclusion that SJ was not Mafiate. The primary driving force was her reaction to Pleo's accusation of non-Town thought processes. But at that point I could not completely clear her of Mafiadom, and noted that she could also be 3P.

On D2 I was a bit puzzled about her comments re the Day powers.

First, in post D02.142 she said that Colby (and, by extension given later knowledge, Jan herself) wouldn't admit killing if Mafia. This despite the fact that by then she had seen Colby's Day action in the D1 thread. (I do, however, accept that she did not see Colby's action until after Dusk of D1.)

Later, in post D02.142 Han claims that she did not witness Colby's action. This struck me as a little disingenuous. By then she had had a chance to read Colby's killing post and knew it was public for all players to see.

In addition she knew that her power could be used in the Day and would be public knowledge as soon as she posted the command. Indeed her last post of D2 was to publically shoot MS. This whole interaction struck me as odd. I felt she was trying to obfuscate something.

Reading D3 made me more uneasy. Firstly, her power is much kless limited than the claims made by Colby and the Masons. post D03.149 sees Jan claim that she can shoot Day or Night, but not two consecutive phases. Both Colby and the Masonry claim limits on ammo - either restricted reloads or one-shot. I personnally feel that three Town-aligned killing roles ois a lot, and it makes sense for one to be non-Town; and £P killers have a notoriously hard row to hoe, so the most powerful one is (IMO) the most likely to be non-Town.

Next, in post D03.150, she notes that Colby is probably Town. Then Today she shoots Colby on the grounds that he is probably Mafia. I can't recollect where (if) she changed her mind, so this really set me on edge.

In post D03.200 Jan explains why she shot Prof P in the face of people urging it be left a Day to play out. One point was that she could not see how two people could be blocked at once. The simplest explanation is that Jam employed Occam's Razor, but it felt to me like hindsight.

At this stage I've cvome to the conclusion that Jan js not Town. My gut feel from D1 that she is not Mafia is stubbornly clinging on though. That being said, 3P players are also hostile to Town in this game, so let;s go there.

.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Since Biotop doesn't have a clear like Mordenkainen, I'd rather go this way.

I don’t want Biotop to be scum this game. 😂 I don’t know why, I just don’t. But his pm looks like it could be a godfather cover PM to me.

Anyway, I’m not going to fight you guys but I don’t want to vote Biotop and in spite of the fact that I stand corrected on Jan’s case on Mordenkainen, I still think he might be scum and we are going to have to resolve potential godfathers (as I see it, Mordenkainen, Eristic, and Biotop because his PM looks like a cover PM to me) because to get to endgame with two of them is a bad idea.

But as long as the exile is one of the 3 of them I’m okay with it, I guess.

[Mordenkainen]

It won't help much, because I have no abilities over and above my democratic vote, but I'm Martin Harrison, the prosecutor in the two high-profile cases of these murderin' women. I'm not even flexible like the sample role PM is...

[Vanta Black]

And the ghostly voices speak up and say...

[Bashorian Clement]

I forgot about raventhief.

[Bashorian Clement]

I almost want to go with the Wisdom of the Dead here.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

If you knew that Angel wasn't going to die tonight, would that change your calculus?

I suppose at that point I might be more inclined to hold off and get information from the NK rather than take a shot in the dark. But given that there may be other killing powers out there, plus SJ may have a shot Tomorrow, it's probably not a great idea. I was worried we were just going to drift into yeeting someone with no discussion, but at least people are showing up this morning.

[Mordenkainen]

On Colby.

post N01.022 saw his roleclaim (this after he publically cut down Tinker with the sort of weapon found on lurid SF magazine covers). Here he asserts that he becomes vanilla if his victim is not "a threat to Town."

D2 had nothing regarding his claim.

D3 saw him admit in post D03.74 he has no bullets at time of posting. Then in post D03.083 he claimed he could gain more ammo if he "fulfills certain requirements". He was not told he was vanilla, concluding Tinker was a threat to town.

I'm afraid BC's assertion that Colby was vanilla is not borne out.

[Eristic Widgeon]

He later clarified that in order to get another shot, he had to vote for a successful non-town yeet, which he never did.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Could be raven. Hard for me to see her bussing TexCat there, but it's certainly possible.

[Eristic Widgeon]

I'm sure we have at least one more scum. If we find it and the game doesn't end, then I'll seriously consider the Jan-as-3P theory. Until then, I'm focusing on the enemy that we actually know exists.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

On Colby.

post N01.022 saw his roleclaim (this after he publically cut down Tinker with the sort of weapon found on lurid SF magazine covers). Here he asserts that he becomes vanilla if his victim is not "a threat to Town."

D2 had nothing regarding his claim.

D3 saw him admit in post D03.74 he has no bullets at time of posting. Then in post D03.083 he claimed he could gain more ammo if he "fulfills certain requirements". He was not told he was vanilla, concluding Tinker was a threat to town.

I'm afraid BC's assertion that Colby was vanilla is not borne out.

Thank you for looking that up.

[Biotop]

Best guess.

[Bashorian Clement]

If Silverjan is 3P, she has no shots left today, if her non-consecutive claim is true, none tonight and none tomorrow. I think. We still haven't had more than one death at Night other than the Night Pleonast was killed. So this little analysis anticipates that Silverjan's claim is at least partially true. If that's a case, she can wait until Tomorrow I believe. If she has is an ungated killing 3P, that would be too powerful for this game.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

If Silverjan is 3P, she has no shots left today, if her non-consecutive claim is true, none tonight and none tomorrow. I think.

Again, not borne out.

Jan has killed on three consecutive Days.

We still haven't had more than one death at Night other than the Night Pleonast was killed. So this little analysis anticipates that Silverjan's claim is at least partially true. If that's a case, she can wait until Tomorrow I believe. If she has is an ungated killing 3P, that would be too powerful for this game.

Both Colby and Jan have claimed the ability to kill in either Day or Night.

3P SK's need a role that is more powerful than average for a Townie or Mafiate in order to have a hope of winning.

And my experience of hostile 3Ps with killing powers is that, the longer they are allowed to function, the less likely it is that Town will win the game.

[Mordenkainen]

Just remember, Town and Mafia share a common enemy. So Town, you have to find the 3P without our help.

[Vanta Black]

With a bit less than an hour to go, Mordenkainen is leading the vote for elimination:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

(but edited to remove all votes for/by Colby11)
Mordenkainen (3): Silverjan (115), Mahaloth (116), Archangel (118)
Biotop (2): Mahaloth (83)[103], Bashorian Clement (85)[91], Eristic Widgeon (121), Bashorian Clement (126)
Raventhief (2): Vanta Black on behalf of ghosts (132), Biotop (141)
Silverjan (1): Mordenkainen (129)

Not voting: raventhief

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #9: Archangel voted Colby post #10: Mahaloth voted Colby post #12: raventhief voted Colby post #13: Bashorian Clement voted Colby post #30: Biotop voted Colby11 post #49: Eristic Widgeon voted Colby11 post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #80: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #82: raventhief unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth voted Biotop post #84: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #85: Bashorian Clement unvoted Prior post #85: Bashorian Clement voted Biotop post #86: Archangel unvoted All post #91: Bashorian Clement unvoted .. post #103: Mahaloth unvoted Biotop post #110: Eristic Widgeon illegally voted No Yeet post #115: Silverjan voted Mordenkainen post #116: Mahaloth voted Mordenkainen post #118: Archangel voted Mordenkainen post #121: Eristic Widgeon illegally voted Biotop post #126: Bashorian Clement unvoted .. post #126: Bashorian Clement voted Biotop post #129: Mordenkainen voted Silverjam post #132: Vanta Black voted Raventhief post #141: Biotop illegally voted Raventhief

[Bashorian Clement]

Silverjan has to be the lim then. She could kill Tonight and Tomorrow before we lim her.

[Vanta Black]

With approximately 15 minutes till the end of Day4, Mordenkainen leads the vote for elimination by the narrowest of margins:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

(but edited to remove all votes for/by Colby11)
Mordenkainen (3): Silverjan (115), Mahaloth (116), Archangel (118)
Raventhief (2): Vanta Black on behalf of ghosts (132), Biotop (141)
Silverjan (2): Mordenkainen (129), Bashorian Clement (146)
Biotop (1): Mahaloth (83)[103], Bashorian Clement (85)[91], Eristic Widgeon (121), Bashorian Clement (126)[146]

Not voting: raventhief

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #9: Archangel voted Colby post #10: Mahaloth voted Colby post #12: raventhief voted Colby post #13: Bashorian Clement voted Colby post #30: Biotop voted Colby11 post #49: Eristic Widgeon voted Colby11 post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #69: Colby11 voted Biotop post #80: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #82: raventhief unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth unvoted All post #83: Mahaloth voted Biotop post #84: Bashorian Clement illegally voted Biotop post #85: Bashorian Clement unvoted Prior post #85: Bashorian Clement voted Biotop post #86: Archangel unvoted All post #91: Bashorian Clement unvoted .. post #103: Mahaloth unvoted Biotop post #110: Eristic Widgeon illegally voted No Yeet post #115: Silverjan voted Mordenkainen post #116: Mahaloth voted Mordenkainen post #118: Archangel voted Mordenkainen post #121: Eristic Widgeon illegally voted Biotop post #126: Bashorian Clement unvoted .. post #126: Bashorian Clement voted Biotop post #129: Mordenkainen voted Silverjam post #132: Vanta Black voted Raventhief post #141: Biotop illegally voted Raventhief post #146: Bashorian Clement unvoted ... post #146: Bashorian Clement voted Silverjan

[Archangel]

Sigh.





I hope I am listening to the right people but I think I am?

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Silverjan has to be the lim then. She could kill Tonight and Tomorrow before we lim her.

Not quite what I said.

Jan cannot kill on two consecutive phases, so she can't kilkl Tonight.

However "consecutive phases" means one Day and the following Night, or vice versa. Thus she has been able to kill on D2, D3 and D4, but not the intervening Nights.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Just remember, Town and Mafia share a common enemy. So Town, you have to find the 3P without our help.

vote Mordenkainen