Yeetmas 4 - Day 1 - Let's "Wrap" together, OK?

[Halfrize]

Btw, how many people are in this game?

Cause now I have a bit of a paranoid outlook on the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Halfrize

I don't think you will be able to explain this in a way that I understand more because the idea of this still doesn't seem much different besides the fact that the mafia like actually have to do solving so I can't just townread people for solving or seeming like there solving. If this works how I think it does.

I can point you to example games and show you if youre lock clear townie, you get shot, and if you're wolfy you get dunked.

But it's moreso here, because if you're mafia you cannot afford to be shot.

If you're town, usually you can.

Thats why its different and more pressure on scums.

Too low, you die. Too high, you die.

And if you deliberately post in a way that maintains being in the middle artificially, that's super cold readable.

That's easy to figure out and dunk, so thats dangerous too.

It either happens naturally or it's not a good move. Still, it may be the best one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Halfrize

Btw, how many people are in this game?

Cause now I have a bit of a paranoid outlook on the game.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Our game this year will again be about those characters that are part of Christmas, but are often sidelined. We have ourselves some Mall Santas, Elfs on the Shelf, and even some Mariah Careys.

Fully open setup, absolutely no secret roles or “Mahaloth potatoes” flying around. The game is exactly as described here. Feel free to ask any questions about the setup and I can answer openly. No reason to PM me questions about the setup. Just post here. This game has NO switches!

We will begin on Day 1. No Night Zero. Lynching/Yeeting is called “wrapping” in this game.

This game uses my increasing wrapping system*.

There are three teams. Mall Santas- Town. Elf Shelfs- Scum. Mariah Careys- Scum. One Town team and two separate scum teams.

If one Town, one Elf Shelf, and one Mariah Carey remain, the Day phase is skipped with a No wrapping.

If the Town-team and one of the Scum teams enter a day with equal numbers, the scum team will be declared the winner. This is ONLY relevant if the other scum team has been eliminated. Example: If 2 Town and 2 Scum(same team) are left, game is over, scum win.
Ties will be broken by wrapping the player who got to the wrap-total first.

Here is a list of roles that will be in the game:

10 Ordinary Mall Santas
1 Mall Santa Cop
1 Mall Santa Doctor
1 Mall Santa Vigilante

1 Shelf Elf Doctor
1 Shelf Elf Godfather
1 Shelf Elf Backup Doctor

1 Mariah Carey Doctor
1 Mariah Carey Godfather
1 Mariah Carey Backup Doctor

This game begins on Day 1. Scum can chat and strategize privately at all time. Note: This game only allowed Night scum chat until this year. This is a rule change! Their team kill that happens at Night is put in as a team; it’s not an individual using a power.

Ties will be broken by the first person to reach the wrapping total in the final vote total.

*Unique wrapping system


The vote counting tool here shows the one I’m using. If you screw up and it doesn’t show, I’m not counting it. Let’s be careful with voting, folks. Note: I am a hypocrite/liar and may actually count a vote you screw up. Just try to get it right.

https://www.giraffeboards.com/mafia_votecount.php


Alphabetical list of player:


A Poor Shepherd Boy
Askthepizzaguy
Bashorian Clement
Burma Shave
Dizzymrslizzy
gnarlycharlie
guiri
Halfrize
JackieLikesVariety
Kaiveran
Lightfoot
Mendie Taoma
mikomiya
Pleonast
raventhief
Red Skeezix
Renata
Swammerdami
Texcat

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Explain the ATE charge.

I am emotional due to reasons I cannot control but I am never ever ever using that as evidence I am town here, nor am I doing the wolfy appeal to emotion where I go "if you vote me you're game throwing" or "I am so frustrated that people are wolf reading me" or all the classic wolfy ATE.

I haven't used my emotional state in my defense at all. I have said what it is.

That's not appeal to emotion and it's really sloppy to suggest that it is.

I respect your town game, it's insanely good, and your wolf game is pretty good at behaving like a villager.

But you have not acted like a villager yet, at all. In any way, shape or form.

Where are your reads? What's your solve?

Town!Guiri is like

LOL U Pizza. I flip town so whatever brah. Meanwhile, I have 5 wolves to yeet not named Pizza, or 6 wolves to yeet not named Pizza.

So here's my attempt to find them.

Where's that Town Guiri I know vaguely but respect?

Right now he’s bogged down in this cat and mouse game with you.

Take a moment to look at my vote on you, based on just a ping about your enthusiasm, and then your reaction and follow up. Take a look at your posts following your vote in #97, #102 “sickening”, #104 “failed villager”, #109 “wolfiest post I’ve seen in years”, and then you think anyone worth their weight in salt would handwave that attack? Especially when you don’t seem to have even read my vote reasoning? Did you reply to Renata’s:

Originally Posted by Renata

Pizza, i can't get past on Guiri that you're just factually wrong about what you're claiming he tried to convey. I know you do this as town. I literally just saw you do that the game you alluded to earlier. But it's still wrong.

I think his vote on you was too easy. But that's worth about a mosquito's fart in early day one.

And my response to your vote in #138 was pointing out where you off track.

As for the AtE, meh, maybe too harsh, but you sure are implying that any intelligent townie should be lock-clearing you which plays on emotion.

I’m happy to accept Kai’s claim, lean town on Bashorian, Miko, Mendie and Red, lean scum on you, APSB, and Haze, conflicted on Renata, and a little on Swammi. The rest are nulls, low- or non-posters.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m happy to accept Kai’s claim, lean town on Bashorian, Miko, Mendie and Red, lean scum on you, APSB, and Haze, conflicted on Renata, and a little on Swammi. The rest are nulls, low- or non-posters.

Aside:

It's every townie's duty to not treat their top suspect as peeked red. I also have to respond to your solving questions and requests. Continue to work with me no matter how frustrating or trying and I will do the same.

I will get to the other stuff, but this is the top priority.

A villager that believes in their reads wants others to understand them and follow them if they think they have found a wolf, or say why someone is town so that fewer people want to vote them.

If you believe in your reads, say why, especially if you want others to agree with them.

Right now I am biting my tongue on something else I really want to say to you, but it's not helpful at all.

I need you to cooperate, but I'm massively wolfreading this post and you're already a wolf read. So I will just button it and hope you can explain yourself.

Again, for my own sake if you are a townie, because jeez man.

I don't recall you ever pinging me so hard. In fact, I town read you for a long time last time you woofed it.

Don't know what changed but I've never scumread you this hard as either alignment so I gotta know what the deal is here.

I don't think you're a bad wolf. You may be having a terrible game, but I need to know how you're thinking because it's just getting worse and worse here.

And I need to be accurate. I can't bork this yeet.

[Renata]

A quick scan didn't show anything from you on Haze (I might have missed it) and only a single mild challenge to APSB. I think it would be good to see you say more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It actually worries me that you're reading this strongly wolf.

Genuinely help me out here, because I need to see towntells or town processes like, ASAP.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's super early game, maybe those reads are rushed and you don't believe them yet, maybe your struggling is villagery but it doesn't cold read that way to me.

Maybe you genuinely saw something you thought was wolfy in me I don't see how. I think literally all the scumreads and votes on me are the silliest things in the game at the moment.

But some of them are villagery silly and others are wolfing it silly.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Renata

I did. I think he's right that your response is tonally wrong (less likely to be town) and that you seem more interested in placating him than in pursuing your earlier path. And your comment in the next post about mechanics as well, like I know I'm dumb about mechanics but I don't think you are.

If I'm dumb and wrong to think this it won't be the first time.

Hoping you're town or at least you don't go over, to be quite honest, since I like playing with you.

Me too.

And the mechanically-cleared confusion is in earnest, post #147, on day 2 of a 7 day game Day does not seem an appropriate time for a town power to magic bag with a cop claim on the table and, based on the setup, I cannot think of another mechanic, so shrug.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which reminds me, Swammi can lock himself town by process here.

@Swammerdami

Go ahead and post everything about your analysis wrt the scumtell you think you have on me, usage of scumbag.

I'll assist by giving you recent town and wolf games to compare it to.

Then tell me if you still believe your theory

But frankly just sharing your data will lock you town. So do that and I get a freebie townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Swammi has been able to lock himself town by process in every game I've played with him for years at this point.

Including ones I wolfed against him and it was really annoying but I was in awe of how masterfully it was done. Through process errors that can only come from townies in one example, but damn.

He also found my deep wolf so like, all the props.

Swammi lock clears himself every game for me. It's about time it happened this early, too.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Renata

A quick scan didn't show anything from you on Haze (I might have missed it) and only a single mild challenge to APSB. I think it would be good to see you say more.

Initially for Pizza’s championing of Haze’s suggestion, one scenario is they are mates, and later Haze’s wishy-washy treatment of Pizza, which doesn’t require them to be mates at all.

And I’ve not said much more yet because I’ve been responding to questions or accusations, I’ll get to around to it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Renata

Pizza, i can't get past on Guiri that you're just factually wrong about what you're claiming he tried to convey. I know you do this as town. I literally just saw you do that the game you alluded to earlier. But it's still wrong.

I think his vote on you was too easy. But that's worth about a mosquito's fart in early day one.

I got taken out of the moment.

Which thing, can you quote it for me.

I'm only now having the time to really react to everything I missed, sorry for the delay.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by mikomiya

My hope is that you can either a.) Help me see why Guiri is 0% to be town or b.) Explain to me what the reason for saying Guiri is 0% to be town if you don't actually believe it. Either option will help me sort you properly.

It's almost not hyperbole.

It's not zero, but it's zero.

Walking everyone through the Guiri wolf read:

@mikomiya

Answering your question with the specifics of his behavior as opposed to why I am confident about it.

Which I meant to do but I was rushing the post out before the kiddo's birthday party and I just flat out forgot to get to the specifics, I apologize.

Here it is:

Originally Posted by guiri That's a very reasonable stance. This exchange feels weird: Meeko called it out here: Pizza's cheerleading just feels out of place, the suggestion is fine, and common, initial thought is snuggling or spotlighting townie behavior in a scum buddy, not something I would expect so blatantly from ATPG but it pings enough. Fair enough. Three of my published scumtells in a single post, and he's voting me because I explained why someone else's idea is good by citing example. That's literally the single wolfiest post I've seen in years. There's no way I don't vote such a post, and then try to figure out how this person is towning if they are. That's my entire universe. But I've also been solving and proposing an alliance and claiming a mech clear that always kills me. So yeah. I'm over here villaging and this is what Guiri's been doing since then: Originally Posted by guiri I gave the two possibilities, pizza snuggling to a non-partner, or championing a colleague who made a decent pro-town suggestion and wanted everyone else to be sure to notice how pro-town it was. Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy And a townie signal boosting a suggestion that worked for me plenty of times as town was just never on the radar why? That's pure unadulterated agenda, period. He's treating me like I'm a red peek for agreeing with someone about stuff I literally always think is good and do. That's flamingly ultra wolfy. It's how wolves attack townies, for doing townie things. Originally Posted by A Poor Shepherd Boy I feel pretty sure no Scum makes that alliance proposal. pizza is near-lock Town. guiri's treatment of pizza automatically as an opponent now earns my vote. APSB knows for a fact how I scum hunt and has read parts of my guide I am sure, and Guiri is wildly out of character and did come at me with a wolfy agenda. And scumtold. And is not villaging. Here's the villaging that happened afterward: Originally Posted by guiri You quoted Renata’s misread of my vote, have you read her follow-up or, you know, what I actually wrote and voted you for? It felt forced and overdone. As I said, the idea was fine and common, the cheerleading felt disproportionate. Maybe you missed this part Pizza, where I do consider the possibility that a scum Pizza would not be so blatant, but vote based on the ping anyway. Was not expecting such a reaction, I’m down for a thunderdome. More scumtells here. As I said, you agreed to the thunderdome. Now you're backing off. Then you claimed you didn't thunderdome me. You absolutely did. It takes two to agree to thunderdome. You absolutely did. No solving outside of my name. Originally Posted by guiri He says he makes the proposal in every multi all game, he must have been scum in some of them, right? “ Now, as this is multiball, and having done this in almost every single multiball game I've ever played, this is what I am going to propose.” Again, it would be foolish for Pizza to only ever make the proposal when he’s town, why so generous? Didn't ask about or care about any of those wolf games. Just assumes I gotta be mafia in some of them so it's null. NOT INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT how I play differently as scum. Not even remotely interested in solving his own suspect. Originally Posted by guiri I actually feel a little bad for you Pizza, you put a massive amount of effort to demonstrate your excellent wolf-catching credentials as supporting evidence of your conviction that I’m a wolf but sooner or later you’ll be proven wrong about me, so in the event that you actually are not a wolf yourself, take this as an invitation to avoid getting egg on your face and conserve your amazing record. Assume I’m Town here, now what? How do we find each other and avoid tunneling? What have you done all game? I mean, when u voted you you had a grand total of 6 posts: #39 warning us you would not be readable as town D1 #41 the championing post #49 we should make suggestions to the PRs but not oblige them to follow #50 offering to help new players #72 asking Mendie why they’re being performative #73 town lean on Miko for solving Here, Guiri gives away the whole game and claims VT or Mafia. He's never a town PR with this post, so if he claims it, you destroy him. Next, look, he's deliberately ignoring anything I've done all game and is focusing on super duper null and not at all wolfy posts from the opening. None of it is wolfy, and he's never made any attempt to show how it is wolfy. Not only that, I both discuss mechanics and give reads. Like he's straight up going after me for nothing but villagery behavior. It's LITERALLY ALL VILLAGERY BEHAVIOR IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM. Originally Posted by guiri That was you, and I accepted the challenge: What? When? Which part of asking for your help, if you’re town, in getting us to find each other is asking you not to vote me? And sorry if I’m unable to read between the lines but this whole mechanically clearing means nothing to me. That’s a fair point, there are more to find and I have 4 days left. Coolio. I had to remind him to even start villaging here. Mech clearing thing means nothing in an open setup? The idea here is if enough people vote me I'll be forced to claim, and since I put the vibes out there, Guiri thinks I will claim a town PR and then town has two targets to protect and cannot protect them both. And that's true. That's very true. It's also wolfy as sin. And the nonvillaging continues by being prompted to give reads, most of which I already made myself. Not a lot of reasoning presented on any of them. It's perfunctory.

So yeah.

It's not one or two posts giving me a mild ping.

Every post is flamingly wolfy and it's getting worse the entire time.

He is uninterested in the solve, primarily concerned about surviving this dome, agreed to the dome and is backing out now that he got what he wanted from it.

I've seen Guiri village.

His village game is great. Whatever this is, I couldn't tell you.

He usually fakes being a villager better than this too. Like, almost undetectable.

So I'm kinda upset I'm reading him this wolfy. I should never be reading Guiri of all people this wolfy.

I have no idea what you're doing here, Guiri.

I am glad I have several days to figure it out and question you. But if I didn't I guarantee you I'd yeet you today and say it's absolutely 1000 percent my fault if you flip town, but you probably do not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Want a link to my published scumtells?

Here.

Post 640 to post 645

And understand those tells have caught 70 wolves in 30 games.

They do misfire on townies, but I have NOT killed 70 townies in those 30 games.

I haven't counted it up, it's possible. I tend to kill more scums than townies, though.

Guiri is a wolf gotta be 95 percent of the time here.

Call it 90 because this is scumtells based and people should be aware of it by now.

They have missed a bit lately.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah.

I'm the absolute silliest yeet of all time today and Guiri is not villaging.

This is the thunderdome. He's backing out.

Kill him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's how I feel and believe.

I will continue to solve him and if he behaves like a villager ever today I will be the first to let you know.

Because I HATE killing villagers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was also careful to make sure I wasnt hitting a town PR despite the very low odds.

I was super careful with my blade here. He's never a town PR.

Town PRs do NOT react like Guiri did here. Never.

[Renata]

Originally Posted by guiri

Me too.

And the mechanically-cleared confusion is in earnest, post #147, on day 2 of a 7 day game Day does not seem an appropriate time for a town power to magic bag with a cop claim on the table and, based on the setup, I cannot think of another mechanic, so shrug.

No, it wasn't that exactly, it was something else you said. I'll dig it up if it becomes relevant for more than a read.

[Askthepizzaguy]

26) Not trying to persuade others of his town or scum reads.

Add this scumtell to the pile on Guiri too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Like I said, his iso is jam packed with scumtells.

Townies do not scumtell in this concentration almost ever.

That's Dizzy and Inawordyes who have ever done that.

So like a 98 percent to 99 percentile wolfy townie can do what Guiri did so far, which is fail to village by process, and heavily scumtell, and attack villagers for villaging for wolfy reasons.

That can happen.

But you basically have to be the wolfiest townie in existence every game for all of that to be null, and GUIRI IS NOT.

These scumtells FAIL on DizzyMrsLizzy.

They shouldn't be failing on Guiri. This is not Guiri. This is wolf Guiri.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When I get this sure, it almost never flips townie.

[JackieLikesVariety]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Too low, you die. Too high, you die.

And if you deliberately post in a way that maintains being in the middle artificially, that's super cold readable.

that doesn't leave much!

[Halfrize]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

that doesn't leave much!

That in a sense sounds really funny to do.

Hi all! It is the totally and completely null haze here! You should totally not scum read or town read me.
(this is completely a joke that I had too much fun with. You should townlock me instead.)

(I told myself I was gonna be more internet safe with halfrize, but yeah that kinda failed and I still struggle to not sign things with haze or mention that cause it is what i am used to)

I just wanna sheep pizza because I trust their reads but also I can't decide if I trust them in general in this game.

---

I feel like voting for a no poster now and I know the As posted, one of the Bs posted at least but I don't remember which, but I dont remember the D person

[Kaiveran]

I'm almost here, y'all. Will start cooking up some nice juicy succulent walls for you after work tonight.

[raventhief]

Okay, wow. Lots of walls of words there already. So I guess I'll add one.

Pizza's tendency to declaim and pontificate and arrogantly point to some of his nine million previous games, (really, here's a link, these are games where he yeeted all the wolves singlehandedly, here's another link where he lists scum and town and giraffe tells, and in this game, here's another link, he destroyed the three different teams of scum) is... Exhausting.

And it makes me feel like he's pointing everywhere bit here, in this game, now. And that's not an entirely accurate feeling, because he had talked a lot about this game, and how mechanically unyeetable or something, but I end up with a impression of misdirection.

But I react to Pizza like this just about every time, even if I'm just observing or reading back over a completed game. So I don't think it's alignment indicative.

I also don't automatically trust his reads, because he will and has read me as scum hard, perhaps because this is a social outlet for me. I LIKE having some sleuthjuice and hanging out. And scribbling on my whiteboard.

I'll going to go make dinner. I'll be back later with

[raventhief]

Damn it, posted on the rules thread by accident.

Reposted here:

How many actual new players do we have? I think Jackie is still shiny, first game right? But the others that are new to us have played elsewhere.

[JackieLikesVariety]

yes, first time. I've been having sleuthjuice but I don't think it helps me vote and if I have too much I am fearful I will miss all the scumtells.

I wish I had a whiteboard; maybe will bring me one.

I'm used to Pizza having read him in the past and find I often agree with him IF only I can get through the enormous amount of wordage. but in this case I am suspicious.

yeet?

[raventhief]

Yeet is what we used to call lynch, in the Before Times.

[JackieLikesVariety]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Yeet is what we used to call lynch, in the Before Times.

aha!

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Mendie also town.

That one's easy. Not reading comprehending and there's no wolfy agenda I can see.

That last line was so bonkers a wolf couldn't invent it, only Mendie's mind.

If you've seen the Nickelodeon show Space Cases, Mendie is Catalina played by Jewel Staite. A great character, seems out there, but also correct.

Never aligned with Guiri, and if Guiri is a wolf as I suspect, probably not on the other team either because that thought comes from unagenda'ed town.

OOG

For a -brief- while there, back before I figured other things out, I wanted to have kids, and name my daughter Catalina, after Catalina from Space Cases.

I take it as a compliment. I mean, you are speaking to my adHd right? Right?

Obligatory related ::



This guy is doing a retrospective of _Every_ Nick show, from the very beginning.

[ And even just before then. We are talking Pre-Pinwheel here. ]

The next episode is Number 92, "Wild And Crazy Kids" .

You're welcome, and I'm sorry.

Legit, some interesting stuff here. Well, just watch the trailer. Nick Birthed MTV. Not the other way around. Which blew my mind, for starters.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

OOG

For a -brief- while there, back before I figured other things out, I wanted to have kids, and name my daughter Catalina, after Catalina from Space Cases.

I take it as a compliment.

But of course.

One of my favorite characters from that show. A little out there, but at the same time, she was often correct about things that others didn't notice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by mikomiya

One final post before I go:

1. I apologize for posting so much. It's been a slow evening and I had some extra time. I don't intend to post so many posts in a row and i'll try to make note of it in the future. Perhaps more points per post instead of a new post for every question or point I have.

2. My approach to these types of games are always a bit, well, weird to others. I attempt to be precise and methodical in my approaches to land on the highest likelihood of a correct vote at end of day. In the past I have been told that I'm off in my own world because of it and sometimes that it's a bit exhausting interacting with me because I ask so many questions. I am attempting to put my best foot forward at a new place and I do hope I have not had that happen already. If so though, please just directly and succinctly let me know and I can try to adjust better.

Ah, I may have missed entirely this part.

(I am isoing people)

You're new to the forum but not to the game, got it. Had the silly thing in reverse.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

I'm used to Pizza having read him in the past and find I often agree with him IF only I can get through the enormous amount of wordage.

Pure curiosity, which game do you recall seeing me in?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@gnarleycharlie

@LightFoot

Come out come out wherever you aaaaare....

[Askthepizzaguy]

@gnarlycharlie

You can tell how much sleep I've gotten!

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Burma Shave

I believe I know who you are. Your secret is safe with me but at the same time, I would like to see you play, not just make christmasy rhymes.

Have you been following? Do you have any leans?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Askthepizzaguy (4): Halfrize (24)[168], guiri (74), Red Skeezix (124), Mendie Taoma (127), Swammerdami (140)
Guiri (2): Bashorian Clement (7)[30], Askthepizzaguy (97), A Poor Shepherd Boy (122)
Pleonast (1): Renata (146)
Jackielikesvariety (1): Burma Shave (81)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): Halfrize (224)
Red Skeezix (1): Bashorian Clement (30), A Poor Shepherd Boy (108)[122]
Mahaloth (0): Mahaloth (15)[15]
Kaiveran (0): Mendie Taoma (4)[33]

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #4: Mendie Taoma voted Kaiveran post #7: Bashorian Clement voted Guiri post #13: Burma Shave unvoted post #15: Mahaloth voted Mahaloth post #15: Mahaloth unvoted Mahaloth post #24: Halfrize voted Askthepizzaguy post #30: Bashorian Clement unvoted Prior post #30: Bashorian Clement voted Red Skeezix post #33: Mendie Taoma unvoted Kaiveran post #74: guiri voted Askthepizzaguy post #81: Burma Shave voted Jackielikesvariety post #97: Askthepizzaguy voted Guiri post #108: A Poor Shepherd Boy voted Red Skeezix post #122: A Poor Shepherd Boy unvoted Red Skeezix post #122: A Poor Shepherd Boy voted Guiri post #124: Red Skeezix voted Askthepizzaguy post #127: Mendie Taoma voted Askthepizzaguy post #140: Swammerdami voted Askthepizzaguy post #146: Renata voted Pleonast post #148: Askthepizzaguy illegally voted Guiri post #168: Halfrize unvoted Askthepuzzaguy post #184: Renata illegally voted Guiri post #224: Halfrize voted Dizzymrslizzy

@Renata

Looks like your vote change isn't counting. Gotta unvote first, right?

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

aha!

Oh and because of the Christmas vibe, wrapping =yeet

Got to make the execution festive!

[raventhief]

Okay in hand.

A Poor Shepherd Boy- quieter than usual
Askthepizzaguy- I'm still working on getting through an ISO (Jackie, that means looking at that players posts, in ISOlation )
Bashorian Clement- I always have a very hard time reading Bash. I have a vaguely town feel for BC right now. They seem to be acting like normal BC play.
Burma Shave - I'm not going to come up with a sign saying for you. Null, gimmicky tho.
Dizzymrslizzy
gnarlycharlie ?
guiri - hmmm. Still thinking about this, with the spat with Oizza
Halfrize
JackieLikesVariety - Newbie power role
Kaiveran claim cop
Lightfoot ?
Mendie Taoma feeling townie on mendie.
mikomiya
Pleonast partial non -claim
raventhief- well, town. Obviously.
Red Skeezix
Renata -i hope you get some sleep
Swammerdami
Texcat posted twice. confirmed pm and agreed with pleo.

A lot of these don't have a read or a comment... That beans I'm still pondering. I may need more sleuth juice.

[Halfrize]

Originally Posted by raventhief

A lot of these don't have a read or a comment... That beans I'm still pondering. I may need more sleuth juice.

Ponder my bean next!

I don't have any sleuth juice for you though.

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pizza, how did you decide which inactive people to ping?

[Halfrize]

Also I haven't had any kids visit me all day at the mall. They should show up. I even have candy canes!

I want visitors!, says this cop and then they stamp their feet frustratingly.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Okay in hand.

A Poor Shepherd Boy- quieter than usual
Askthepizzaguy- I'm still working on getting through an ISO (Jackie, that means looking at that players posts, in ISOlation )
Bashorian Clement- I always have a very hard time reading Bash. I have a vaguely town feel for BC right now. They seem to be acting like normal BC play.
Burma Shave - I'm not going to come up with a sign saying for you. Null, gimmicky tho.
Dizzymrslizzy
gnarlycharlie ?
guiri - hmmm. Still thinking about this, with the spat with Oizza
Halfrize
JackieLikesVariety - Newbie power role
Kaiveran claim cop
Lightfoot ?
Mendie Taoma feeling townie on mendie.
mikomiya
Pleonast partial non -claim
raventhief- well, town. Obviously.
Red Skeezix
Renata -i hope you get some sleep
Swammerdami
Texcat posted twice. confirmed pm and agreed with pleo.

A lot of these don't have a read or a comment... That beans I'm still pondering. I may need more sleuth juice.

Sorry I am too quite, raventhief. If you want to come to Asheville and run my grocery store Front End job, I'll stay home and play more Mafia. Deal?

[Red Skeezix]

Current reads/summaries:

Mendie Taoma - town - posts all just scream town to my ears.
Kaiveran - town- claimed cop, no counter claim - hasn't said a whole lot, but has promised to write up.

A Poor Shepherd Boy - town read - makes a vote and then does an about face - doesn't feel like scum move for d1 - just feels too risky.

Pleonast - town read. Hasn't really claimed anything. Just unclaimed some stuff. hasn't come back to play much, but (I think) they don't really play on weekends. I disagree with vig strategy, but do I think scum would advocate a vig to sit tight most of the game? probably not.

Askthepizzaguy - scum - continues to clog up the airwaves with inconsequential meta, and a case whose foundations lay in other games and other places, with hand waving about how he knows the guiri is scum because guiri doesn't post like this when they are town. (I wonder did scum out scum here? because guiri does seem to be snared) A ton of chaff posting, reads like heavy distraction/ trying to control the flow of the discussion as well, he is ringing all my alarm bells.

Halfrize - scum - Posted suggestion that we should all state who we think the PRs should be targetting -reads like "Helpful Townie" - feels like safe posting, Biggest red flag: says "My mind tells me that pizza is scum but my gut says otherwise. I don’t think I want this big of a wagon on them yet especially if I am yet to decide" - why wouldn't you want to vote for scum? you don't want to vote for who you think might be scum because other people are voting for them? followed up by a lurk vote later.

Bashorian Clement - scum - 9 posts are padding. early D1 vote, could be vote parking. Asking questions, saying nothing. Felt the need to say things like "Well barring a counterclaim Kaiveran goes to the top of the town pile." Easy scum D1 play. Park a vote and participate without saying enough to make a mistake.

Swammerdami - scum - one post with a vote. Even mentions needing to pad out their post count. Obviously very aware of the lack of posting, maybe feeling pressure not to get caught out lurking. Will revisit once i see more posts.

guiri - slightly scummy read. Was feeling townish earlier, but seems to have maybe stepped on a landmine and cant escape it. Not sure if it's survival or just not wanting to engage with pizza at this point.


Renata - neutral - i'm not following their logic in places but i'm also not reading it as scummy

below neutral - havent stuck out, haven't reread yet. will do tomorrow
mikomiya
raventhief
JackieLikesVariety

No read - below
Dizzymrslizzy
gnarlycharlie
Burma Shave
Texcat
Lightfoot

[guiri]

Originally Posted by raventhief

JackieLikesVariety - Newbie power role

What’s this based on? Their “I don’t know what to do with the info” or the PMs to the mod?

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

guiri - slightly scummy read. Was feeling townish earlier, but seems to have maybe stepped on a landmine and cant escape it. Not sure if it's survival or just not wanting to engage with pizza at this point.

Yes, just took a breather since the discussion was going nowhere productive.

[Burma Shave]

Unvote

[Burma Shave]

Doc: Kaiveran
Cop: Mendi Taoma
Vig: Bashorian Clement
Wrap: ATPG? guiri?

Sorry that this didn't rhyme
Maybe better verse next time

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

@Burma Shave

I believe I know who you are. Your secret is safe with me but at the same time, I would like to see you play, not just make christmasy rhymes.

Have you been following? Do you have any leans?

This posting shtick
Is quite a strain
NEVER doing
This again!

[Burma Shave]

raventhief
looks pure so far
thanks for sharing
your whiteboard score

[Burma Shave]

guiri gave me
some scummy pings
but maybe that's just
how he swings