The Dark Knight - Day 1

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

Romola is the only player I've caught in a lie. And I've considered (and voted for) other people; that part of your statement's not even true. I'm actually in the middle of writing my argument against Uthrecht.

You're right, that part about you not considering others was sloppy language on my part: I was trying to say that you seemed disproportionately focused on her compared with other people.

I'm still not seeing the liar argument against Romola, though, that part seems a bit trumped up.

[Solfy]

I think it's splitting semantic hairs.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

27: mod talk
51: defending Romola against Lucifer's 'pre-planning argument'
58: advice to newbies
65: being helpful by parsing the mod hints
68: making fun of 'Interesting...'
71: fluff
80: talking strategy (losing power roles is better than losing active, insightful vanillas)
89: voting for peekercpa because of the mod's misunderstood hint
90: error-correcting
95: fluff

First page: Uthrecht has done nothing substantial despite posting ten times. He posted a halfhearted rebuttal to Lucifer's argument about Romola's signup post, and then made an interesting post (80) about his new thoughts on strategy... telling us that contrary to popular belief active vanillas are more valuable than power roles after all.

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163: helpfully telling Bear_Nenno that he's suspected of dawn actions because he thinks they exist.

Second page: Just that post; one line.

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260: It's an odd Day One. Ed summed it up here.
262: Not happy with Ed's first synopsis.
264: Happier with Ed's second synopsis.
279: Explaining the mod's error.
285: 'Bold assumption' regarding side-switcher voting.
288: helpfully reminding everybody that voting can be weird.

Third page: Again, nothing of substance; some helpful analysis, and helpful strategy talk, without pinning down anything on anyone.

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337: helpfully explaining poker strategy
361: helpfully explaining Bear's 'not voting is anti-Town' comments to Ed.
364: helpfully explaining the tiebreaker rules
372: confused over mitchy's mis-link.
382: responding to mitch and Renata. Uthrecht thinks Bear is drawing attention to himself unusually, but can't get a read on it.
383: error-fixing.
387: Uthrecht has joined everybody else in the safe avenue of rebutting mitchy's Ed/Dirx post.
390: fluff
393: fluff
398: Bear has picked up on Uthrecht's waffling and Uthrecht is basically non-responding to his vote.

Fourth page: Uthrecht has done a lot of helpful explaining and still posted nothing of substance. When someone actually does vote for Uthrecht, he just brushes it off without much comment.

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403: Uthrecht claims to have left his vote on peeker to poke him.
405: Uthrecht makes the argument that he has, in fact, given analysis, making Bear's argument invalid. In case you missed it (it was kind of easy to miss) it was one paragraph in post 382. And the majority of it is "I don't know what's going on and can't commit to anything."
408: Note that this is post 408! Uthrecht thinks that after 400 posts and a lot of back and forth over Romola and Bear, there's still "no meat to work with."
411: Oh! He's quiet because he didn't want to stifle discussion. Apparently talking stifles discussion. He "has a couple thoughts" but won't share them -- even though he claims to want to talk about more than just me and Bear.
414: Uthrecht is "not going to bother" showing where he actually expressed an idea. Funny... I can't find one either.
421: Uthrecht wasn't posting meaningless stuff... he was just "starting out timid."
427: fixing error
444: unvoting Bear; helping Giraffe with strategy.
446: clarifying strategy.
454: asking me to clarify a statement to Romola.
468: Telling Giraffe he's acting scummy by being flexible.
480: "Haven't you been making the argument you're inexperienced?
493: Hang on! You did right here!
496: muddying the Romola waters by setting up the argument that Romola is too inexperienced to make definitive statements

Page five: Uthrecht starts off the same as always; no analysis, nothing definitive at all. Bear calls him on it, and Uthrecht does... not much. He helpfully helps Giraffe with strategy, and then finally decides to get involved in the game by calling out Romola... but wait! He then takes it in a totally different direction and makes an argument that Romola is too inexperienced to be definitive -- an argument he's sure to know will raise hackles around here. Uthrecht's taken one serious stand in the first 500 posts, and he sabotages it before it's even begun.

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502: he gets Romola to commit to one side or another.
506: vote Romola
510: continuing down the path of Romola's inexperience.
525: Uthrecht is explaining his frustrations over Romola's avoidance of his questions.
529: another helpful helping of help
533: doesn't like leaving Bear alive another day because it doesn't help town learn anything new.
537: "non-Vanilla game"
540: one-liner comment on Dirx's vote
544: Dirx is also lacking understanding.
545: an emoticon post. I assumed it meant that he was now picking up on the "Romola's backtracking" argument, but I'm not 100% sure.
552: "she seemed happy to be perceived as inexperienced when it took the vote off her, but is denying that at this point"
572: Bear accuses me of "protecting my buddy;" Uthrecht makes a fluff-comment.
573: In this post Uthrecht demonstrates he's the only person to actually read and understand my argument against Romola.
577: mocking Bear by pointing out Romola unvoted me to vote for Uthrecht.
579: pointing out to Bear that he is in fact targetting Romola.
583: Uthrecht is again explaining that he feels Romola has been dodging his questions.
587: asking a question about Bear's Batman hypothesis.
593: calling out Romola's malicious mischaracterization.
597: explaining that Mafia's not personal
599: explaining Mafia terms to Giraffe

Sixth page: Uthrecht has focused mostly on Romola on this page. Again, he's been very helpful, but now he's finally sinking his teeth into the game; fully one-fifth of this page's posts have been his.

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610: calling out Romola's certainty that she's found the mafia godfather on Day One
612: "It's managed to get both guys who prodded her as vote leaders." Note that now since Uthrecht prodded Romola, he's a vote leader too.
614: calling out Romola's methods of 'find and sit'
620: Uthrecht doesn't think both Romola and I can be scum because it seems like there's so much uncertainty.
623: Ed's argument goes both ways.
630: calls out Ed on his singleminded pursuit of Bear
631: Uthrecht suspects Bear is making himself a more tantalizing NK target, but it's confusing town at the same time. Another "not sure" post.
636: Uthrecht succumbs to the inevitable and votes to save himself.
672: Uthrecht thinks my voting is 'hinky'.
676: Uthrecht is anxiously awaiting my analysis.

Page seven: Uthrecht is now a full participant in the game.

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When I first posted that I was feeling suspicion of Uthrecht it was as a result of coming across this post of peeker's:

Originally Posted by peekercpa

but it does come across pretty much like, hey kids here is a whopping flapdoodle of cotton candy for dinner. i mean there is a poo pot of stuff sitting on the plate but really doesn't satiate the hunger that much.

where's the beef?

which I have to quote because of the fantastic imagery.

And for the first five pages, it was an accurate summary of Uthrecht's posts. He really looked like he was being active and super-helpful without doing much of anything -- which in my opinion is the number one scum tell there is. Since Bear called him on it, Uthrecht has been participating a lot more actively. He took the lead in calling out Romola and picked up on something I missed. He hadn't been 100% helpful in that argument -- at times it seemed like he was actually sabotaging it -- but he seems to have realized it was fruitless and dropped that line of inquiry early on.

There really isn't much to go on here to convince me that Uthrecht is scum after all, and a few little comments he's made that have me more convinced he's town.

In fact, from what I've read of Uthrecht's questioning of Bear, I think there's something else going on... what it means, I'm not sure. But I'd like to see what happens if Master Wayne visits either one of them.

[Uthrecht]

Since Bear? Bear was like third in line on calling me out. I think Ed might have been first, and moody got in there, so folks were trying to prod me for a good bit before Bear. That was actually part of what I thought was interesting. Bear's two main votes seemed to be second votes on people, following along with what other folks had said.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

Since Bear? Bear was like third in line on calling me out. I think Ed might have been first, and moody got in there, so folks were trying to prod me for a good bit before Bear. That was actually part of what I thought was interesting. Bear's two main votes seemed to be second votes on people, following along with what other folks had said.

I didn't come across those posts... could you point them out to me?

[moody mitchy]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

are you implying that a Townie Uthrecht wouldn't have made a defensive vote?

No I'm not but to me it just seems to have come a little early on. That said I have no idea of Uthrecht's schedule from now until Day end

[Uthrecht]

Yeah, it turned out to be early, but at the time I wasn't sure when Ulla was going to end the Day, so I figured I'd get it over with before heading to bed. As it was, she ended up pushing the Day long.

[moody mitchy]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

I didn't come across those posts... could you point them out to me?

You could try my post Here Where I placed my vote stating wishy washy play and give a link to an example but the link didn't work too well so I clarified it a few posts later..

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

Do you think it's prudent to wait at least a cycle to start participating?

It's all about sample size, my friend.

[peekercpa]

i'm leaving my vote where it is. i don't like lurkers/non participants for foo.

plus i had recitals for finals for peekkid#3 marching contest last night, have concessions tonight, and have a football game tomorrow followed with the actual finals on tuesday.

i'll try to keep semi caught up but otherwise i am flipside until late next week.

i'll post this in the going to be away thread as well.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

but, it begs the question, why tell everyone
If Batman needed to find you, don't you think he'd know that? Why alert everyone else to your 'idea'?

If it is true, and I am lynched Day 1, what good is it?

Originally Posted by Solfy

Killing off niller town?! Perish the though! Who would want to lynch a vanilla town?!
Oh, right. You would.

Yes, and I took a shit load of flak for it. In fact, it is one of the main reasons people started calling me scum. I didn't see you defending me, since apparantly you agree with it. This isn't about me right now. I already took criticism for my comment. Now it's time for you to answer for yours. If it was scummy when I said it, then it is scummy when YOU say it. You said it is okay to lynch someone who is Town! People had a problem with it when I said it, but for some reason you get a pass.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by peekercpa

i'm leaving my vote where it is. i don't like lurkers/non participants for foo.

plus i had recitals for finals for peekkid#3 marching contest last night, have concessions tonight, and have a football game tomorrow followed with the actual finals on tuesday.

i'll try to keep semi caught up but otherwise i am flipside until late next week.

i'll post this in the going to be away thread as well.

Is Day One really the day for that kind of voting? We're really low on information here; it would be nice if you put your vote somewhere helpful.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by moody mitchy

You could try my post Here Where I placed my vote stating wishy washy play and give a link to an example but the link didn't work too well so I clarified it a few posts later..

Thanks... I missed this the first go-through.

Alright... so a few people called out Uthrecht and he started participating more. But I still don't see scum in it.

[Kat]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

In fact, from what I've read of Uthrecht's questioning of Bear, I think there's something else going on... what it means, I'm not sure. But I'd like to see what happens if Master Wayne visits either one of them.

Why is that? We can't be certain he's even a role in this game, and there's some disagreement over what his role might be if he is.

Also:
unvote Bill and bad me for leaving it on so long.

[Dirx]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

He really looked like he was being active and super-helpful without doing much of anything -- which in my opinion is the number one scum tell there is.

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

Alright... so a few people called out Uthrecht and he started participating more. But I still don't see scum in it.

Que?

[BillMc]

[QUOTE=Kat;482794]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

Also:
unvote Bill and bad me for leaving it on so long.

Yes, the tea went cold long ago :-)

[Total Ulla]

Vote count Day 1 - take 7

Bear_Nenno (5) - Special Ed #199, Rabid Renaissance #550, Red Skeezix #582, Uthrecht #636, BillMc #647


Uthrecht (5) - Moody Mitchy #370, Bear_Nenno #396, Giraffe #538, Dirx #539, Romola #575
Romola (1) - Locked In The Trunk Of A Car #594
Locked In The Trunk Of A Car (1) - Renata #28
Red Skeezix (1) - Sinjin #132
captain (1) - peekercpa #395
Lucifer (1) - Solfy #428

[Renata]

Originally Posted by Dirx

Que?

I KNOW.

And now to see what sort of strategic vote I want to make. There was something from Uthrecht a couple pages back I wanted to look at again, and then to try to deconstruct Bear's claim.

Why don't people just vote for my top suspect all the time? It would save me so much time.

[sinjin]

Sorry I haven't been around much. Busy, busy, busy RL. I promise to be back in full participation mode next week.

[Red Skeezix]

5 hours left in the day and we have a tie situation.

Ulla, what happens if there is a tie?

[Uthrecht]

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

5 hours left in the day and we have a tie situation.

Ulla, what happens if there is a tie?

From the Rules thread:

Originally Posted by Total Ulla

4. Voting
You may vote to lynch another player by using the color blue. You may do this only at Day. Whoever has the most votes at the time a game Day ends will be lynched. Should a tie occur the player who reached the maximum number of votes first will be lynched.
Unvoting will only be counted when placed using the color red

You'll note that she lists Bear on top. He's currently the vote leader through the tie.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Total Ulla

Vote count Day 1 - take 7

Bear_Nenno (5) - Special Ed #199, Rabid Renaissance #550, Red Skeezix #582, Uthrecht #636, BillMc #647


Uthrecht (5) - Moody Mitchy #370, Bear_Nenno #396, Giraffe #538, Dirx #539, Romola #575
Romola (1) - Locked In The Trunk Of A Car #594
Locked In The Trunk Of A Car (1) - Renata #28
Red Skeezix (1) - Sinjin #132
captain (1) - peekercpa #395
Lucifer (1) - Solfy #428

15 votes out of 23 players. fracking wonderful.

[Red Skeezix]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

From the Rules thread:

You'll note that she lists Bear on top. He's currently the vote leader through the tie.

I promise I can read. But again, I'm proven wrong in practice. Here have a lemon

[peekercpa]

non voters based on my reckoning.

zuma, squink, captain, kat, romanic, mhaye, paul and lucifer.

and i know that some folks like to wait a wee bit to put their vote down but this borders on lucicrosity (word?).

and of these captain has one farcking post. and it was moose drool, go figure.

and upthread someone gritched about where i had my vote well there you go. no vote and no contribution.

and i have made it clear that i will lynch a suspected scum or pfk over a townie because that is how i play the game. but i also, want to make it clear that i am always in favor of getting rid of the dead wood because that is not only anti town but it is anti game, which is even a more egregious offense in my book.

i mean as scum i normally like leaving them live and let the typical town on town violence get rid of some of the heavy hitters early on. then in mid game you can go down the lurcker lynch path. always cherry picking the durn town that never showed up. and at that point if there is no modkill available town just fucks themselves.

yep, captain is the correct play.

[Renata]

Strategic vote ahoy. I'd rather lynch Locked, but that's not an option.

unvote
vote: Uthrecht

There's no way I can do this post justice with my son hanging all over me, but I'll try.
1. See post 260. It's 8 paragraphs to say "I can't decide anything so far." Every tentative near-conclusion is immediately qualified by its opposite. All else being equal (which it never is), I would be willing to place a day one vote just on that. This sort of ostentatious indecision is more characteristic of scum than of town.
2. Uthrecht does change his tune later after this is brought up. But, IMO, he goes too far in the opposite direction, constructing a case where there is none. His calling out of Romola's comment along the same lines as my point 1 up there was unwarranted. Nothing in Romola's game history, as self-claimed or otherwise, should suggest an inability to make such basic judgments. Uthrecht tries to justify this line of questioning later by saying that Romola was too "iron-clad", but the comment itself took pains to say it was not a certainty, which suggests that by this point Uthrecht was grasping at straws. Her comment should never have been called out at all; and even on its own merits the whole case reads more as opportunism to me.

As for Bear -- the weirder he gets, the more I want to say he's town. I can't back it up with logic, but there it is. And maybe he does have something in that magic bag to justify it all, I don't know. I don't want to vote for him today.

See you in Dusk.

[Merestil Haye]

Peeker, it's all very well sounding off at those of us who haven't voted, but do try and aim at those who are still playing, or at least are on the game's nominal roll.

Unlike Metallic Squink, who subbed out ages ago.

Also, you should know that the Captain is Captain Pinkies. Who else hands out rounds of Moose Drool?

Now, I've got to post 400 in Second Read. So if the rest of you would be kind enough to STOP POSTING, I'll try and finish it and place a vote.

Thank you for your consideration.

[Kat]

Originally Posted by peekercpa

and i have made it clear that i will lynch a suspected scum or pfk over a townie because that is how i play the game. but i also, want to make it clear that i am always in favor of getting rid of the dead wood because that is not only anti town but it is anti game, which is even a more egregious offense in my book.

i mean as scum i normally like leaving them live and let the typical town on town violence get rid of some of the heavy hitters early on. then in mid game you can go down the lurcker lynch path. always cherry picking the durn town that never showed up. and at that point if there is no modkill available town just fucks themselves.

yep, captain is the correct play.

So, no one has posted anything that leads you to suspect them? Really? You have absolutely no one on your suspect list?

This is a one-off, so it may not stay because I'm trying to reread the Day but this comment is so off that I can't just leave it alone.

Vote peeker

[Uthrecht]

Okay, three hours to go (from Ulla's countdown), and I'm back in the lead.

I'll drop this piece of advice, then.

Bear: if you are Town, and you survive the Night, you're gonna be the vote leader, so quit worrying about how you look and what you've said, and go find some Scum on Day 2. Turn over the rocks, because you're on borrowed time.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Merestil Haye

Peeker, it's all very well sounding off at those of us who haven't voted, but do try and aim at those who are still playing, or at least are on the game's nominal roll.

Unlike Metallic Squink, who subbed out ages ago.

Also, you should know that the Captain is Captain Pinkies. Who else hands out rounds of Moose Drool?

Now, I've got to post 400 in Second Read. So if the rest of you would be kind enough to STOP POSTING, I'll try and finish it and place a vote.

Thank you for your consideration.

i am aiming for those that are not voting and are not playing. i mean i know you always vote late. it annoys me but i am sure that there are things about my playstyle that annoy you so, meh.

and to be honest i really didn't connect captain to pinkies until a couple of pages ago. sorry, i just don't think around corners very well. and like i stated this different name and avatar stuff across boards does confuse the monkey. but shit one post about moose drool and no vote seems icky.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by Renata

Why don't people just vote for my top suspect all the time? It would save me so much time.

Because most of us think it's a bad idea to lynch town.

Dirx: I have convinced myself that Uthrecht is town despite his slow start. I also don't think we can learn anything from his lynch. Of him and Bear, I do think I'm more likely to be wrong about him, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by lynching either.

Lynching Romola would be much better, but nobody ever sees scum where I do. (In Austen, I had to pursue bufftabby alone for quite some time before I convinced the cop to investigate.)

[Uthrecht]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

Because most of us think it's a bad idea to lynch town.

Dirx: I have convinced myself that Uthrecht is town despite his slow start. I also don't think we can learn anything from his lynch. Of him and Bear, I do think I'm more likely to be wrong about him, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by lynching either.

Lynching Romola would be much better, but nobody ever sees scum where I do. (In Austen, I had to pursue bufftabby alone for quite some time before I convinced the cop to investigate.)

Okay, so ultimately you're saying that you think both I and Bear are Town, and you don't want to be involved in lynching either?

[Uthrecht]

peeker: is your vote on captain because you think that both Bear and I are Scum, and so it doesn't matter which of us gets lynched?

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Kat

So, no one has posted anything that leads you to suspect them? Really? You have absolutely no one on your suspect list?

This is a one-off, so it may not stay because I'm trying to reread the Day but this comment is so off that I can't just leave it alone.

[COLOR="Blue"]Vote peeker[COLOR]

<bleached>

where in the world did i suggest that.

i think littoac's case on rom was clearly odd.

i think bear and ed are just being prickly souls. one of whom i think to be scum.

i also think uthy being kind of cotton candy until called on it is suspect.

there are also some posts from dirx that i need to reread in context, but yeh, i can see him potentially being scum.

what i know at this point is that i have some fairly strong leanings about scum for this early in the game: littoac, bear, dirx and uthy.

but i also have proof of someone acting in an anti town and anti game manner. so that's where the vote goes and where it stays.

if you don't like the reasoning, that be cool.

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

Okay, so ultimately you're saying that you think both I and Bear are Town, and you don't want to be involved in lynching either?

Yeah, pretty much. You are town, right? I have no deductive or strategic reason to vote a player I consider town, and so I'm leaving my vote on the scum.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

peeker: is your vote on captain because you think that both Bear and I are Scum, and so it doesn't matter which of us gets lynched?

basically.

read my previous post. both of you are in the top four of my potential scum at this point.

and jeebus i don't know how to make it clearer. i think you are both potentially scum but i have no solid/clear cut/impossible to be wrong evidence of that fact.

what i do know is that captain is either playing totally anti town or totally anti game. either of which offense, at this point, makes him a more reasonable vote, for me.

and please take this in the spirit that it is offered, but if you and/or bear are scum, based on your willingness to at least participate means that we will catch your scum ass at some point.

[Merestil Haye]

Originally Posted by Locked In The Trunk Of A Car

I admit this might change when I get a chance to go back over your posts... forgive me but I'm not looking forward to it as there have been about sixty.

Just be glad he's not posting at the same level as Lord of the Rings Mafia. In a game that totalled up about 3,100 posts, Peeker accounted for six hundred and sixty of them, all on his own.

I possibly shouldn't mention that in the next game, Peeker adopted a lower volume, more coherent posting style, and (on being lynched) was found to be Deadite. But I will, because it's relevant.

By eye is on you, Peeker, because you're exhibiting your major Mafia tell.

Back to Second Read.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Merestil Haye

Just be glad he's not posting at the same level as Lord of the Rings Mafia. In a game that totalled up about 3,100 posts, Peeker accounted for six hundred and sixty of them, all on his own.

I possibly shouldn't mention that in the next game, Peeker adopted a lower volume, more coherent posting style, and (on being lynched) was found to be Deadite. But I will, because it's relevant.

By eye is on you, Peeker, because you're exhibiting your major Mafia tell.

Back to Second Read.

and this is kind of a fair observation but in all fairness let me give the back story.

in mazalan maha and i hooked up. and we basically played that back stabber straight up with each other.

then i offered to co mod his game on the dope which i failed miserably at because of rl.

when lotr was announced i asked maha did he want to give me another chance at co modding or did he want me to play.

now the first one went, i think, about 15 pages total. i told him that i could drive the group to at least 20 pages by Day 1 (30 if he let ed play). he basically said go for it.

[peekercpa]

neta: so i did. i owed him for mazalan and for the fail on co mod. so metagame all you want. but there really are reasons for the things i do. even if not apparant to the other participants.

and remember in lotr i was niller townie.

[Total Ulla]

Vote count Day 1 - take 8

Uthrecht (6) - Moody Mitchy #370, Bear_Nenno #396, Giraffe #538, Dirx #539, Romola #575, Renata #725

Bear_Nenno (5) - Special Ed #199, Rabid Renaissance #550, Red Skeezix #582, Uthrecht #636, BillMc #647
Romola (1) - Locked In The Trunk Of A Car #594
Red Skeezix (1) - Sinjin #132
captain (1) - peekercpa #395
Lucifer (1) - Solfy #428
Peekercpa (1) - Kat! #727

[Merestil Haye]

Peeker.

I'd not known that. Fascinating. It's nice to know the reason behind what even during the game awed me a bit. I mena, here I am in danger of being outposted by Nelson Muntz, and you manage 20% of the posts in a whole game.

For now, it's just a speculative eyeball in your direction. There are a couple of larger itches. Unfortunately I have to break for food soon, which means this is going to end up a rush.

[Special Ed]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

It's all about sample size, my friend.

That's what she said

[SisterCoyote]

So, I'm not really happy with any of the cases on anyone, but of those who are currently in the running Uthrecht's non-committal but encouraging conflict between others posts are bothering me more than what I see as Bear's normal style.

[Uthrecht]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

So, I'm not really happy with any of the cases on anyone, but of those who are currently in the running Uthrecht's non-committal but encouraging conflict between others posts are bothering me more than what I see as Bear's normal style.

HAH! So you're metagaming me. I need to work on Ed's ability to always be giving gauged needling questions to folks.


Anyways, I think we're falling below three hours, and I'm pretty much the guy folks are hanging their hats on. We're also at the point where I'm not sure votes on me are going to be readable any more.

I'll recommend to folks that they look into Romola tomorrow and her further actions. I think she's been largely reactive, and am currently thinking she might be third party.

Also, keep an eye on Locked. I'm not particularly pinged by his early vote on Romola, but his voting patterns in the latter part of the Day have struck me as odd.

I'd also say to keep an eye on moody. I feel like he hasn't been too noisy, but asking about Ed and Dirx's pre-game discussion seemed like trying to find something, anything.

Well, that's about all I got at the moment. Remember to keep nudging the low posters.

[zuma]

With the obvious realization that I have unfortunately just skimmed today, and the ridiculousness of voting based on it, it's important to vote. So, I hate the Bear votes. I realize that he often gets voted out early do to his playing style, but I see nothing scummy in his actions.

I also a few games ago vowed to not vote out the loudmouths on day 1, those never work out. I'm sticking to that in this game.

So maybe I should vote uthrecht, but I can't do that either. I think the best case, such as it is, was made against Lucifer. The only thing in day 1, which as you know I consider mostly worthless, that jumped out at me was his claim that he didn't realize Romola was a new player. How can that be? Dude, I got killed N1 in that first F11 game, and I still got that she was new. Solfy made some good points about your behavior as well.

[Total Ulla]

Vote count Day 1 - take 9

Uthrecht (7) - Moody Mitchy #370, Bear_Nenno #396, Giraffe #538, Dirx #539, Romola #575, Renata #725, Sister Coyote #742

Bear_Nenno (5) - Special Ed #199, Rabid Renaissance #550, Red Skeezix #582, Uthrecht #636, BillMc #647
Lucifer (2) - Solfy #428, Zuma #744
Romola (1) - Locked In The Trunk Of A Car #594
Red Skeezix (1) - Sinjin #132
captain (1) - peekercpa #395
Peekercpa (1) - Kat! #727

[Locked In The Trunk Of A Car]

Originally Posted by zuma

With the obvious realization that I have unfortunately just skimmed today, and the ridiculousness of voting based on it, it's important to vote. So, I hate the Bear votes. I realize that he often gets voted out early do to his playing style, but I see nothing scummy in his actions.

I also a few games ago vowed to not vote out the loudmouths on day 1, those never work out. I'm sticking to that in this game.

So maybe I should vote uthrecht, but I can't do that either. I think the best case, such as it is, was made against Lucifer. The only thing in day 1, which as you know I consider mostly worthless, that jumped out at me was his claim that he didn't realize Romola was a new player. How can that be? Dude, I got killed N1 in that first F11 game, and I still got that she was new. Solfy made some good points about your behavior as well.

vote: Lucifer

I'd completely forgotten about Lucifer as scum. Solfy's points about his early jump on the Romola bandwagon superficially ring true as well, except that she's calling him out for a page-one-day-one vote. I don't think there's anything scummy at all about probative votes at the beginning of the game -- how else are you going to start discussion? It's better to pick up on something -- anything -- rather than just go for a random.org vote, even if it's not super-strong.

Aside from that, what has he done? He put on a provocative vote, and then took it off. Nobody's really been interacting with him too much today. What can we learn from lynching him?

[zuma]

I dunno, Lucifer claimed that he didn't know Romola was a new player in the first F11 game. I find that hard to believe, but I guess it is possible.

What has he done? Nothing worse than most of us have done on day 1. I've long claimed that Day 1 is worthwhile only in that it provides information for later days. I've also said that the game doesn't really begin until Day 2, when we have actual information. So my vote for him is based on dubious evidence and is doubt-filled.

I hate day 1. Hate it.

[Merestil Haye]

The two people who are pinging me most Today are Locked in the Trunk of a Car and Peeker.

LITTOAC for his pursuit of Romola, and particularly the way he is arguing that less experienced means inexperienced in order to make his case stand on its own wobbly legs.

Peeker because he is (compared to his norm) low-volume with high content. I accept that his post volume in LotR Mafia had another origin, but that was abnormally high (seriously, I don't think I've ever seen that volume of posts, which he kept up for over a month.)

However, I think that, if forced to choose between Bear Nenno and Uthrect, I'd rather lynch Bear.

[Uthrecht]

Originally Posted by zuma

I hate day 1. Hate it.

I'm sorry, but you're not quite in a position to complain, here.

[zuma]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

I'm sorry, but you're not quite in a position to complain, here.

I realize this, believe me. Like I said I barely deserve to vote, but even though I was absent I think it's important that everyone votes, even if it's based on rather lame reasons. I was talking about day 1s in general, not my thoughts on this one in particular.