Day TWO: Double Vision Mafia

[Mahaloth]

OK, so I kind of half-claimed, stating that I believe lulz to be town.

1. I just thought lulz was attracting a lot of attention and decided to help out by posting what I learned.

2. I'm not claiming cop, just that I learned that lulz is town.

3. It is possible my information is wrong, via re-direction or some other kind of power altering problem. Still, I bet my information is right on this one.

Was it the wrong timing to post my discovery? Maybe. I can never tell when to do these kind of things.

If I missed your question to me, it is due to tiredness, lots of work, and the overhwleming amount of conversation that has occurred. Please help me by pointing out I missed your question or comment. I'll do my best to respond tonight, if it is in the next 5 hours or so. I'm not skimming, but I read most of the thread several hours ago and have kind of forgotten. I think my top 3 points covered most of the issues/questions.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Okay....I don't understand that reasoning at all.... I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but, even I who has been defending you thought your initial soft claim was odd, and your explanation isn't much better IMO. You learned Lulz is Town? How?

Lightfoot was told in her initial PM that Charlie is Town. Lulz claimed to be Charlie and wasn't countered.

If you aren't a cop how do you get alignment of players?

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

He said he has reason to believe based on his actions that Lulz is Town. I gave a particular reason. If he is a Species Cop, and got a result of "Human" I'd be lead to believe that Lulz is Town.

I don't know, but even though I feel otherwise I feel like a Soft Claimed Cop should be given the benefit of the doubt.

IDK, I'd like to hear more from Mahaloth on what his role is.
I'd like to hear what SJ has to say, if she's not the Doctor then I'm really confused.

For claiming that she targeted Lulz, and she's not a Doctor.

For goodness sake Dizzy, haven't you thought of........If I was scum I would have Nk'd Lulz cos he was the Towniest looking at EOD. But thanks for making scum wonder what I am.

Vote DizzyMrsLizzy

For trying to get more info out of me than I think scum needs to know

[SisterCoyote]

Vote Count as of Post 153:

Mahaloth (4,4): Lulz (10a), Flying Squid with Goggles (64,106,144), Silver Jan (145), DizzyMrsLizzy (152)

TexCat (2,2): Lulz (10b), Heterometrus swammerdami (101)
Silver Jan (2,2): Lulz (10c,121), LightFoot (55), DizzyMrsLizzy (147)
DizzyMrsLizzy (2,2): lulz (63), Heterometrus swammerdami (101)
Heterometrus swammerdami (2,2): TexCat (109), DizzyMrsLizzy (148)

Meeko (1,1): Lulz (22)
Toonces (1,1): LightFoot (55)
gnarlycharlie (1,1): LightFoot (55)
Scathach (1,1): Flying Squid with Goggles (64)
DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Silver Jan (153)

With these votes, Mahaloth will be lynched.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

SJ your claim doesn't make any sense.

And no I don't think Scum would have targeted Lulz. Even though he was the towniest looking at EOD, I think that they would have been worried about a "gasp" Watcher watching him, plus maybe a Doc.

You were caught targeting a player whom the majority of players think are Town, and have no explanation, except that he wasn't targeted for a NK. Well yeah we all kind of know that don't we?

I'm not fishing for your role. Just trying to figure out which one of the three people who visited Lulz is the Role Blocker. And Right now neither you or Mahaloth have made a convincing case as for why not to lynch either of you.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

SJ your claim doesn't make any sense.

And no I don't think Scum would have targeted Lulz. Even though he was the towniest looking at EOD, I think that they would have been worried about a "gasp" Watcher watching him, plus maybe a Doc.

You were caught targeting a player whom the majority of players think are Town, and have no explanation, except that he wasn't targeted for a NK. Well yeah we all kind of know that don't we?

I'm not fishing for your role. Just trying to figure out which one of the three people who visited Lulz is the Role Blocker. And Right now neither you or Mahaloth have made a convincing case as for why not to lynch either of you.

So in your post you have just said that scum wouldn't have targeted Lulz because of a watcher, you can't have it both ways. I did say in my post that he wasn't targeted for an NK because of my role, so what do you think I am?

[Silver Jan]

I am not a role blocker

[Dizzymrslizzy]

BTW, I'm pulling a vote off of Mahaloth or Silver Jan, I don't know which one is lying, but one of them is. Both of them are fishy right now IMO. I believe today's vote should be between them.

[TexCat]

I'm still waiting to hear from the third person who visited Lulz. One of the three is probably going to be lying, but without even knowing who the third is, it's hard to render a judgement.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by lulz

unvote silver jan

Except this one.

So you are now saying that we can't trust everything you say.




Not that we were....

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

If you aren't a cop how do you get alignment of players?

I have ways(well, a way). I should point out, though, that I may have had my power redirected or blocked or limited. I said I believe he is Town; I'm not entirely positive. But enough to not vote him today.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Nod, Honestly I don't know what to make about Mahaloth's half maybe confirmation of Lulz's alignment. I'm wondering if maybe he can detect the Species, but not straight alignment? That's the only thing that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

He said he has reason to believe based on his actions that Lulz is Town. I gave a particular reason. If he is a Species Cop, and got a result of "Human" I'd be lead to believe that Lulz is Town.

The mod said that "There are five potential species, which have no impact on wincon but may have other game-related effects." so I was all ready to jump on younger these posts but the mod also said that "If you are Banished, you will be fully dead and your death reveal will be complete (Name, Species Alignment, Role or Vanilla).", holding added, which looks like a typo to me but hey, just in case:

Sister, can you confirm that species and alignment are entirely unrelated?

But anyway, even if they are not, I don't understand why you'd be lead to believe that someone who is human is town, either species matches alignment, or it doesn't, it can't be both. And look at Dawn, drinkie is infernal, are you lead to believe he's scum?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'm still waiting to hear from the third person who visited Lulz. One of the three is probably going to be lying, but without even knowing who the third is, it's hard to render a judgement.

I agree that it's hard but then I don't think it's entirely necessary or beneficial. If Mahaloth or SilverJan had just said "yes, I was there, didn't do anything nefarious, don't want to claim any specific role as I'll be neutered or killed, trust me!" the third person would be in a different situation but with a half-baked cop claim by Mahaloth, and a denial of being the doc by SilverJan, the third visitor is likely to be a real cop, doc or similar. I think a full claim by Mahaloth would be a productive way to proceed.

Archangel knows who else was there, could leave a breadcrumb, or even claim if she thinks it's the best thing.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Given Day 1 and the fact that recruitment is possible who would have been your first choice for

Good question, no idea, but most likely someone who's not at the centre of attention.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm remaining unconvinced in your ability to pour water out of a boot, with instructions on the heel.

How come I've never heard this before, it's great!

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Bladescape and Guiri, have anything to add to all of this discussion. You both have barely contributed. It makes me nervous when Guiri is quiet, as well, it pings me how quiet Squid is being in this game.

Travels and deadlines...

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by guiri

The mod said that "There are five potential species, which have no impact on wincon but may have other game-related effects." so I was all ready to jump on younger these posts but the mod also said that "If you are Banished, you will be fully dead and your death reveal will be complete (Name, Species Alignment, Role or Vanilla).", holding added, which looks like a typo to me but hey, just in case:

Sister, can you confirm that species and alignment are entirely unrelated?

But anyway, even if they are not, I don't understand why you'd be lead to believe that someone who is human is town, either species matches alignment, or it doesn't, it can't be both. And look at Dawn, drinkie is infernal, are you lead to believe he's scum?

Jesus Mary and Joseph Guiri.....!!! Way to take an out there idea and jump on it!

First of all, I was guessing, and trying to make sense out of how Mahaloth was "lead to believe" Lulz was Town. I've abandoned all of my guesses on that after his later post. I don't believe that now, I was grasping at straws, because I didn't want to mislynch a soft claimed cop, and that kind of made sense.

Secondly, Species has to have some relevance don't you think, and maybe that lies somewhere within the doubles? IDK. (guessing again) Why would SisC go out of her way to assign a Species if it wasn't meaningful in some way.

And no I don't believe there is a direct link that Human = Town, but I was guessing maybe Mahaloth did.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by guiri

Travels and deadlines...

Glad you are back. You often have good insight, so I was hoping to hear your take on where we are at. Now go find Bill wherever he's travelling to again!!

[Swammerdami]

(It's liberating being a Vanilla Townie. No need to worry about getting NK'ed, MisLynched or smudged, or even defending one's votes! )

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

I agree that it's hard but then I don't think it's entirely necessary or beneficial. If Mahaloth or SilverJan had just said "yes, I was there, didn't do anything nefarious, don't want to claim any specific role as I'll be neutered or killed, trust me!" the third person would be in a different situation but with a half-baked cop claim by Mahaloth, and a denial of being the doc by SilverJan, the third visitor is likely to be a real cop, doc or similar. I think a full claim by Mahaloth would be a productive way to proceed.

Archangel knows who else was there, could leave a breadcrumb, or even claim if she thinks it's the best thing.

I don't want to out Three at this time. I suck at breadcrumbs and this is why I'm keeping quiet:

1. Out of Mahaloth, Silverjan and Three, I trust Three the most. I think you all need to lynch between Mahaloth and Silverjan today, barring a convincing claim from either of them, which I don't think is possible at this point. I agree with you that a full claim by Mahaloth would be the most useful at this point.

2. I believe Silverjan over Mahaloth only in that it wouldn't help scum to make a fake claim that in effect reveals no results. Also, Mahaloth claimed before anyone else but didn't give details, a sort of peremptory defense to counter-claims.

3. If Mahaloth or Silverjan are lynched and the roleblocking continues toNight, then I would consider outing Three because it goes up to a 50% chance he or she is the roleblocker.

4. There's always the possibility that I get Banished before I out Three. (I don't think lulz would Banish me at this point but I still think there could be a scum Banisher.) If that happens, we're no worse off. Because if I'm right and Three is the doctor or equivalent (I don't see him/her being the cop because there are already so many investigations that supposedly happened on Night 1), s/he is still hidden. And if I'm wrong, I don't accidentally give the scum roleblocker considerably more credence.

IMO protecting the potential doctor at this point is more favorable than outing the least likely roleblocker before we fully explore the first two possibilities.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I have ways(well, a way). I should point out, though, that I may have had my power redirected or blocked or limited. I said I believe he is Town; I'm not entirely positive. But enough to not vote him today.

How could you have your power redirected or blocked and still gotten a result? This makes no sense at all. Limited I suppose is possible but if so, why won't you just come out and say so?

[SisterCoyote]

Guiri: your question is covered in the Rules.

Votes when I'm on a real computer.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Sorry, Dizzy - I have an extra project that I've taken on at work, and I should be able to spend more time on the game starting tomorrow evening. I'll post more then.

[Swammerdami]

I modifed the Vote-Counter to work with these voting rules. (No wrongs reversed. Bug reports to /dev/null)

Originally Posted by Highly Unofficial Modified Vote Counting Robot

Mahaloth (4,4): Flying Squid with Goggles (64)[106], guiri (92), Flying Squid with Goggles (144), Silver Jan (145), Dizzymrslizzy (152)
Silver Jan (3,3): LightFoot (55), Dizzymrslizzy (147), Heterometrus swammerdami (169)
Dizzymrslizzy (3,3): lulz (63), Heterometrus swammerdami (101), Silver Jan (153)
Heterometrus swammerdami (2,2): TexCat (109), Dizzymrslizzy (148)
TexCat (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (101)
Meeko (1,1): lulz (22)
Toonces (1,1): LightFoot (55)
Gnarlycharlie (1,1): LightFoot (55)
Scáthach (1,1): Flying Squid with Goggles (64)

Voting History:
post #10: lulz voted
post #22: lulz voted Meeko
post #55: LightFoot voted Silver Jan
post #55: LightFoot voted Toonces
post #55: LightFoot voted Gnarlycharlie
post #63: lulz voted Dizzymrslizzy
post #64: Flying Squid with Goggles voted Mahaloth
post #64: Flying Squid with Goggles voted Scáthach
post #92: guiri voted Mahaloth
post #101: Heterometrus swammerdami voted TexCat
post #101: Heterometrus swammerdami voted Dizzymrslizzy
post #106: Flying Squid with Goggles unvoted Mahaloth
post #109: TexCat voted Heterometrus swammerdami
post #120: lulz Faulty unvote Silver Jan
post #144: Flying Squid with Goggles voted Mahaloth
post #145: Silver Jan voted Mahaloth
post #147: Dizzymrslizzy voted Silver Jan
post #148: Dizzymrslizzy voted Heterometrus swammerdami
post #152: Dizzymrslizzy voted Mahaloth
post #153: Silver Jan voted Dizzymrslizzy
post #169: Heterometrus swammerdami voted Silver Jan

[Swammerdami]

And oops ... I see again, as testing on Day 1 had already revealed that the way Lulz formats her votes, some are ignored (and also ignored by Giraffe's Robot).

So ... Nevermind.

[gnarlycharlie]

just caught up. been busy with them start of a new term.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

for acting out of character and not kicking me-
( although her internet may be sketchy at this time)

because I want you active and I am kicking you


because I have to do that atleast once every game we are in together

ha ha ha. you should have done this on D1. this a throwaway vote.

Originally Posted by lulz

Mahaloth just confirmed me.

not sure about this. he didn't explain how.

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

So in your post you have just said that scum wouldn't have targeted Lulz because of a watcher, you can't have it both ways. I did say in my post that he wasn't targeted for an NK because of my role, so what do you think I am?

Jan has a point here. you're contradicting yourself. i get the sense that you know scum didn't target Lulz and just want to get any of the three, well two so far, lynched.

Originally Posted by guiri

How come I've never heard this before, it's great!

i laughed at his post but damn if i understand what it means.

for her self-contradiction.

for all his pings but no real reasons. feels like he's trying to skate by. he's active but really not saying anything.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by guiri

How come I've never heard this before, it's great!

I always heard it "piss out of a boot" but water works, too.



Vote Count as of Post 175:

Mahaloth (4,4): Lulz (10a), Flying Squid with Goggles (64,106,144), Silver Jan (145), DizzyMrsLizzy (152)

Silver Jan (3,3): Lulz (10c,121), LightFoot (55), DizzyMrsLizzy (147), Heterometrus swammerdami (169)
DizzyMrsLizzy (3,3): lulz (63), Heterometrus swammerdami (101), Silver Jan (153)

TexCat (2,2): Lulz (10b), Heterometrus swammerdami (101)
Heterometrus swammerdami (2,2): TexCat (109), DizzyMrsLizzy (148)

Meeko (1,1): Lulz (22)
Toonces (1,1): LightFoot (55)
gnarlycharlie (1,1): LightFoot (55)
Scathach (1,1): Flying Squid with Goggles (64)
DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Silver Jan (153)

With these votes, Mahaloth will be lynched.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

@Gnarly. No I obviously misspoke. Jan had said why wouldn't I have NKed Lulz. I was responding to that. Read the paragraph I wrote again.... Why would someone targeting Lulz with an action other than a Kill (which is what we were discussing) care if a Doctor was visiting Lulz???

My comment should have read that I wouldn't have expected scum to KILL lulz last night. I'd bet money that at least one scum targeted him last night.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

And let me explain further so you know EXACTLY what I was thinking when I posted that.

If I were on the Scum team, which I'm not.... I would have lobbied to not kill Lulz last night, because I would have been worried that all eyes would have been on him, like a Watcher or a Doc. I suggested the exact same thing in the last game I played as scum which Meeko and Texcat can attest to that we don't outright kill the Cop we just found, because we could role block him instead.

So to answer Jan's question, NO I would not have expected Scum to have KILLED Lulz last night even though he was the Towniest of Townie. For those reasons I stated above, AS WELL as I would guess that he'd be a pretty good lynch target for later days due to his shifty play style.

Targeting is 100% a different bargain. Even if caught by a watcher, it's bad for the team, but you can try and lie your way out of it.

Obviously a bunch of people find Mahaloth's claim to be untruthful. But I also feel like Silver Jan's claim is very empty, and that it's very possible she's the role blocker we're looking for.

[Swammerdami]

Many (including myself) think the Day's discussion and lynching should focus on Mahaloth (who's claimed non-Cop) and Silver Jan (who's claimed non-Doc). Yet many avoid committing to this, even ignoring it altogether. Avoidance is what Scum does when the subject is uncomfortable. Sometimes they wait a little to see which way the wind is blowing and maybe then Jump-buss their buddy.

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

gnarlycharlie just posted a long vote post which hardly touches on the issue.



I'm not sure of my Dizzy pings. But she's voting both the non-Cop and the non-Doc which is almost the same as voting neither of them, so I'll leave my vote on her.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

And Toonces and Meeko. Sorry to leave you out, friends.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Swammi, I actually lean more towards Silver Jan at the moment than Mahaloth, although I've said that all along. But that's just by feel. I'd rather see Jan lynched unless she provides a reason otherwise.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Obviously a bunch of people find Mahaloth's claim to be untruthful. But I also feel like Silver Jan's claim is very empty, and that it's very possible she's the role blocker we're looking for.

My claim is mysterious and incomplete, so I am not that shocked that people didn't buy it. However, I was hoping that it would at least move us off lulz for now.

If I'm going to be the lynch, I'll likely full claim tomorrow. Would it be wise to only "kind of" full claim? I thought about posting everything in detail, but hiding the character name and maybe just summarizing the pm in detail instead of posting the whole thing.

I guess I'll think about it.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Many (including myself) think the Day's discussion and lynching should focus on Mahaloth (who's claimed non-Cop) and Silver Jan (who's claimed non-Doc). Yet many avoid committing to this, even ignoring it altogether. Avoidance is what Scum does when the subject is uncomfortable. Sometimes they wait a little to see which way the wind is blowing and maybe then Jump-buss their buddy.

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

gnarlycharlie just posted a long vote post which hardly touches on the issue.



I'm not sure of my Dizzy pings. But she's voting both the non-Cop and the non-Doc which is almost the same as voting neither of them, so I'll leave my vote on her.

Why are you so determined that the focus be on Mahaloth and SJan? It feels like you are the scum trying to force the discussion in one direction. And I know that Archangel didn't want to name the third person, but this is making me suspicious that we have the wrong end of the stick.

And why do you keep voting for other people and moving the focus if you are so determined that it stay on Mahaloth and SJan?

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by TexCat

And why do you keep voting for other people and moving the focus if you are so determined that it stay on Mahaloth and SJan?

I'm honestly undecided which of Maha and SJan is the Scum. Let's call them 45% likely to be Scum each. If I'm correct that Gnarly posting without commenting on the choice means Gnarly is uncomfortable Scum, then he may be more likely Scum than either of the two! What do others think? Certainly it seems good to "force" players to choose between the two before they're sure "which way the wind is blowing." (As Scum, I know I'd be uncomfortable voting now if one of the two were my Scum partner.)

You seem uncomfortable with the issue too, TexCat, so I'm happy to leave my vote on you. Dizzy seems more convincing:

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Why are you so determined that the focus be on Mahaloth and SJan? It feels like you are the scum trying to force the discussion in one direction. And I know that Archangel didn't want to name the third person, but this is making me suspicious that we have the wrong end of the stick.

And why do you keep voting for other people and moving the focus if you are so determined that it stay on Mahaloth and SJan?

I was going to say the same thing. For someone who wants the vote between two people, he has four total votes cast, but three on other players.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Sorry, that's five votes cast, but four on other players outside Mahaloth and SilverJan.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

I'm honestly undecided which of Maha and SJan is the Scum. Let's call them 45% likely to be Scum each. If I'm correct that Gnarly posting without commenting on the choice means Gnarly is uncomfortable Scum, then he may be more likely Scum than either of the two! What do others think? Certainly it seems good to "force" players to choose between the two before they're sure "which way the wind is blowing." (As Scum, I know I'd be uncomfortable voting now if one of the two were my Scum partner.)

You seem uncomfortable with the issue too, TexCat, so I'm happy to leave my vote on you. Dizzy seems more convincing:

And of course, this is posted while I'm reading and I miss the unvote.

Back to four votes, with three on other players.

I have to note though, if you think Mahaloth and SilverJan are 45% Scum, while are you only voting for SIlverJan? If you think Mahaloth is just as likely, wouldn't you vote both, or neither? Why one over the other?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Because that would be hypocritical if he voted both, since it pinged him that I was voting both at the moment! LOL

[Raith Kemmler]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

(It's liberating being a Vanilla Townie. No need to worry about getting NK'ed, MisLynched or smudged, or even defending one's votes! )

Funny, whenever I play vanilla I don't feel quite so secure about most of those things, especially the night kill. Actually no, what vanilla townie ever assumed they were safe because powers were running around in a game?

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Many (including myself) think the Day's discussion and lynching should focus on Mahaloth (who's claimed non-Cop) and Silver Jan (who's claimed non-Doc). Yet many avoid committing to this, even ignoring it altogether. Avoidance is what Scum does when the subject is uncomfortable. Sometimes they wait a little to see which way the wind is blowing and maybe then Jump-buss their buddy.

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

I'll vote when I care to. Taking time to consider one's options is equally town as pushing forward. Lazily finger pointing everyone just for not voting...is only the appearance of activity.

Topic funneling is also a Scum tactic.

vote swammi

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

FWIW

I voted Mahaloth in #92

[SisterCoyote]

Oh, bugger. So you did.

Updated vote count in a few minutes.

[SisterCoyote]

Vote Count as of Post 192:

Mahaloth (5,5): Lulz (10a), Flying Squid with Goggles (64,106,144), guiri (92), Silver Jan (145), DizzyMrsLizzy (152)

Heterometrus swammerdami (4,4): TexCat (109), DizzyMrsLizzy (148), gnarlycharlie (176), Raith Kemmler (190)

DizzyMrsLizzy (3,4): lulz (63), Heterometrus swammerdami (101,185), Silver Jan (153), Gnarlycharlie (176)
Silver Jan (3,3): Lulz (10c,121), LightFoot (55), DizzyMrsLizzy (147), Heterometrus swammerdami (168)

TexCat (2,2): Lulz (10b), Heterometrus swammerdami (101)
gnarlycharlie (2,2): LightFoot (55), heterometrus swammerdami (180)

Meeko (1,1): Lulz (22)
Toonces (1,1): LightFoot (55)
Scathach (1,1): Flying Squid with Goggles (64)
DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Silver Jan (153)

With these votes, Mahaloth will be lynched.

[SisterCoyote]

A reminder: The Mod's weekend is going to be more than a little bit insane. Vote Counts will happen in the evenings for sure and in the mornings if it can be managed.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I will not say anything further, but I have some kind of power. It has lead me to believe the following:

lulz is Town

That is all.

First Mahaloth says that he's not going to say anything further.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I was going to quote and respond to every question, but it looks like there were a ton and folks, I'm at work and need some time to post a fuller response. I'll try to hit every question, but you have to be patient for me to catch up.

However, I will make one thing clear.

I'm a dude. I used Zeddicus as a picture for years and I am male.

Then he says he was going to respond to questions, but procrastinates.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

OK, so I kind of half-claimed, stating that I believe lulz to be town.

1. I just thought lulz was attracting a lot of attention and decided to help out by posting what I learned.

2. I'm not claiming cop, just that I learned that lulz is town.

3. It is possible my information is wrong, via re-direction or some other kind of power altering problem. Still, I bet my information is right on this one.

Was it the wrong timing to post my discovery? Maybe. I can never tell when to do these kind of things.

If I missed your question to me, it is due to tiredness, lots of work, and the overhwleming amount of conversation that has occurred. Please help me by pointing out I missed your question or comment. I'll do my best to respond tonight, if it is in the next 5 hours or so. I'm not skimming, but I read most of the thread several hours ago and have kind of forgotten. I think my top 3 points covered most of the issues/questions.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I have ways(well, a way). I should point out, though, that I may have had my power redirected or blocked or limited. I said I believe he is Town; I'm not entirely positive. But enough to not vote him today.

Then he dribbles out a little information. But still does not explain.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

My claim is mysterious and incomplete, so I am not that shocked that people didn't buy it. However, I was hoping that it would at least move us off lulz for now.

If I'm going to be the lynch, I'll likely full claim tomorrow. Would it be wise to only "kind of" full claim? I thought about posting everything in detail, but hiding the character name and maybe just summarizing the pm in detail instead of posting the whole thing.

I guess I'll think about it.

This slow dribble of information looks like a scum committee trying to decide what to tell us. I have no idea how you get alignment information without being a cop. I don't understand why you would have targeted Lulu.



That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a claim from SilverJan, as well. If she's town, she's already on scum's radar, and I think more info would help town make a good decision here.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

And Toonces and Meeko. Sorry to leave you out, friends.

I wasn't aware we were down to just two players. I wasn't aware I was being held to how you play this game. I wanna turn! I wanna turn!

[BillMc]

notes/random thoughts as a I read

Something still seems strange about the end of Day 1, can't quite put my finger on it. archangel had a smattering of posts throughout the day about a town banisher and that lulz was town as a scum team would not have let him be so mouthy (I think atpg kinda disproves that point!)

Lulz has been the lynchee for many hours

239 Lulz at t-30 "I'm going to the bank, the grocery store, and then getting lunch. I may not be back in time....If I'm lynched I wouldn't even mind having my vote off of him for future VCA..."
242 Lulz at t-20 decides to claim - quick trip to the bank/store/lunch or a realisation that they are now only in the lead by one vote
243 scathach votes idrink - tie - lulz still the lynchess
246 and tounces for idrink, idrink now the lynchee by 1, lulz would still be lynched if it went back to a tie; tounces - why idrink and not swammi?
250 lightfoot unvotes lulz, making the lead 2, and a tie with 5 mins to go now unlikely.


N1 actions or lack of
someone kills archangel - not surprised at that
archangel claims she is a watcher, and saw 3 folk at lulz
mahaloth and jan admit being there
mahaloth thinks lulz is town
mahaloth's and jan's watery comments about why they were there makes essentially narrows town the 3rd person to being a protector....but...given that lulz was now the obvious target for night actions, and with the risk of watchers, the doc would be sticking their neck out by being there.
lulz claims to have tried to banish idrink
idrink is not banished
lulz - no power, or blocked?
idrink - protected?
and lightfoot thinking that lulz is her twin so there for town, tho tells us nothing about lightfoot'd alignment.

if lulz is the only method town has for getting confirmation of alignment then i'm going to be very disappointed in sisc's game setup - pretty poor of the whole thing hangs on a single players power - and if lulz is truthful, then the whole town is now hamstrung keeping him alive.

likewise with lightfoots twin/double - she could have stated up front that roger rabbit is town, the fact that she didn't suggests there is more to lightfoot's claim than meets the eye.

lulz'a role is pretty powerful - remove someone from the game - get their full alignment - potentially reveal 3 scum on their death....and 'confirmable' by lightfoot

part of me is thinking there is an elaborate scum ploy here - archangel is a vanilla scum and has been bussed by her team to get lulz town cred and expose other townies - there would need to be a real scum watcher for this.

if archangel is truthful she is a threat to the scum as she can put a town-lean on the 3rd person - but she is also useful to the scum as ultimately she may reveal that 3rd person. so scum may or may not silence her.

which then raises the question of the 'doc' power - protection from kills and/or protection from banishment? maybe multiple docs with different powers.

is (a mahaloth suggested) redirection in play - tho if it was "redirect all actions on lulz to xyz", then lulz's claimed banishment of idrink would have succeeded (unless idrink was protected from banishment - which would have been the logical choice for anyone with a banishment-block power).

mahaloth is not-claiming cop, and jan is not-claiming doc - but in reality would the cop or doc come out and claim on d2 if seen by a watcher - or would they try and be more mysterious and make life more difficult for scum. while it is plausible that the 3rd person is the doc, its equally plausible that that 3rd person was scum

#180 this is a seriously hypocritical post - fos's folk for not joining either than jan or mahaloth wagon, then votes charlie; seems like swammi is covering his ass if mahaloth and/or jan ultimately get revealed as town.



mahaloth's behaviour on d1 is iffy, likewise the umming and ahhing over whether or not to claim, whether to paraphrase (in a game that does allow you to quote), and to leave it to close to day end. if someone is going to claim, claim and give the town time to digest it rather than tossing something out there with 20 mins to go.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

@Gnarly. No I obviously misspoke. Jan had said why wouldn't I have NKed Lulz. I was responding to that. Read the paragraph I wrote again.... Why would someone targeting Lulz with an action other than a Kill (which is what we were discussing) care if a Doctor was visiting Lulz???

My comment should have read that I wouldn't have expected scum to KILL lulz last night. I'd bet money that at least one scum targeted him last night.

I'll read it again later as I'm bit in a rush.

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Many (including myself) think the Day's discussion and lynching should focus on Mahaloth (who's claimed non-Cop) and Silver Jan (who's claimed non-Doc). Yet many avoid committing to this, even ignoring it altogether. Avoidance is what Scum does when the subject is uncomfortable. Sometimes they wait a little to see which way the wind is blowing and maybe then Jump-buss their buddy.

Seven players (not including Mahloth) are voting neither Maha nor Jan. FOS on all of them: TexCat, guiri, BillMc, Scathach, Raith Kemmler, gnarlycharlie, bladescape

gnarlycharlie just posted a long vote post which hardly touches on the issue.



I'm not sure of my Dizzy pings. But she's voting both the non-Cop and the non-Doc which is almost the same as voting neither of them, so I'll leave my vote on her.

are you sure this isn't just OMGUS? i'm not avoiding the Mahaloth and Silver Jan issue. i'm waiting for the third person to show up before i make a decision. whether the third shows up or not, i'm not ruling out the possibility they're both town. there's still time.

all you've offered up are pings. i can't even tell what makes you take note. is it play style? a contradiction? a possible slip?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

And Toonces and Meeko. Sorry to leave you out, friends.

I should state for the record, that I believe Mahaloth when he is talking about Lulz

[Mahaloth]

Hi, everyone, I'm Mahaloth and I screwed up my play in this game.

Everyone: Hi, Mahaloth!

Yeah, I shouldn't have said anything. Oh, well, I'm sorry to Town if I screwed us over, but I'm going to full claim.

I've read and re-read my role and now I'm not even sure if I correctly learned lulz was Town.

Short version: I'm Dean and I am a mandatory vig, whose kills only work on scum or non-humans. I'm Town. I aimed at lulz N1 and it failed.

Long version:

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote You are Dean Winchester That is exactly why our lives suck. I mean, come on, we hunt monsters! What the hell? I mean, normal people, they see a monster, and they run. But not us, no, no, no, we search out things that want to kill us. Or eat us! You know who does that? Crazy people! We are insane! You know, and then there's the bad diner food and then the skeevy motel rooms and then the truck-stop waitress with the bizarre rash. Perennial bad-boy, at least until recent events sobered you up a bit, you're a devoted brother and possibly the best Hunter in the business. You're a little worried about what's going to happen the next time you go to Detroit, though; you haven't forgotten what Lucifer told you. You are [font color="Blue"]Town[/font]. You are Human. Your role is Mandatory Vig. So long as you are Alive, for each Night phase you must tell me the name of one player you wish to kill. If that player is not Human and/or is a member of the Scum team, your kill will succeed (assuming no blocking, redirecting, or other protections on your target). Your only confirmation of kill/no kill will be whether the player turns up dead at the beginning of the following Day phase. If you do not send in a name, Random.org will determine your target -- and yes, you will be on the list. There is one character who, if you drop them, will render you so guilty you will lose the ability to kill. There's also a demon out there wearing your face. If you kill him, or he kills you, you both die immediately. On your first death, you will be allowed to continue posting in the threads as though you were still alive, but you may not vote. Your death reveal will contain only your species ("human"). If you are Banished, you will be fully dead and your death reveal will be complete (Dean Winchester, Human Town, Mandatory Vig). Town wins when all Scum are Dead, whether or not they have been Banished.

Now, choose. Save me, possibly protect me, and trust me(despite my foolishness) to make good shots or lynch me and punish me for my foolish moves in the game.

I'm sorry, folks, this has not been my best performance.