Day TWO: Double Vision Mafia

[SisterCoyote]

Dawn of Day TWO:



Everyone dropped off to sleep; some in groups, some in places they thought were safe. Knowing, even as they did so, that no one was safe, and no one could be trusted.

It's horrible being right all the time.

Archangel, human has joined the ranks of the Dead.

Player list will be updated shortly.

Day begins now. It will end on Noon, Monday, May 18th (though a possible rain delay may occur as the mod has to have minor surgery that afternoon).

[idrinkthere4iam]

Well would you look at that!

lulz?

[idrinkthere4iam]

My guesses.

lulz lied about his role, or Scum roleblocked him.

Or he just didn't pull the trigger on what he said he would do...

Thoughts?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

My guesses.

lulz lied about his role, or Scum roleblocked him.

Or he just didn't pull the trigger on what he said he would do...

Thoughts?

Since it appears his bedroom was rather busy last Night those are all options

[idrinkthere4iam]

OOG: Hopefully your surgery goes well Sister.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Either that or he thought his public announcement in the thread was legal?? And never PMed it??

[lulz]

My Public announcement was accepted. Mod prefers PM's but to hell with that.
Let's try that again.

@SisterCoyote
BANISH idrinkthere4iam

Let it all hang out.

Bet scum didn't expect this.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

My Public announcement was accepted. Mod prefers PM's but to hell with that.
Let's try that again.

@SisterCoyote
BANISH idrinkthere4iam

Let it all hang out.

Bet scum didn't expect this.

unless it is a Day action you missed your boat and you are on my last patient nerve

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

unless it is a Day action you missed your boat and you are on my last patient nerve

What are you talking about "missed my boat"? My townread got killed and my scumread got protected. Mod accepted my action. What exactly are you losing patience with?


vote Mahaloth
vote texcat
vote silverjan

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Either that or he thought his public announcement in the thread was legal?? And never PMed it??

I found it odd too. Hard to miss, but odd.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I found it odd too. Hard to miss, but odd.

Hey everyone...check this out.

PM siscoyote. Ask her if you can submit your action in the thread in public. When siscoyote says yes, vote Meeko.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I found it odd too. Hard to miss, but odd.

Why are you trying to launch suspicion at someone regarding an action that can be mod confirmed.

Vote Meeko guys. Seriously do it.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by lulz

Why are you trying to launch suspicion at someone regarding an action that can be mod confirmed.

Vote Meeko guys. Seriously do it.

I want to take this time to apologize to meeko. I'm not racist towards Raccoons, I'm just having a hard time believing the entire scum team was on my wagon because that just never happens. But maybe, just maybe they were. In believing this I completely ignored the part where Dizzy initiated that discussion.

vote Dizzymrslizzy

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Well, crap. That doesn't help much.

Lightfoot, you asked this in the Night thread:

Originally Posted by LightFoot

colour me confused--- how is mahaloth involved in my comment?

It's because I asked Mahaloth a question in the Night thread about his suspicions:

Originally Posted by Flying Squid with Goggles

OK... so Mahaloth, you're operating under the theory that lulz is a scum Banisher who claimed town Banisher in order to avoid the lynch yesterDay? Does Lightfoot figure into this in any way? She seems to be aware of something about lulz, although as Scathach demonstrated, the information requested was not too hard for anyone to find.

Even though Lightfoot responded to the question, Mahaloth never did, and I don't get Mahaloth's accusation from the Night thread, so I'm going to:


For a FOS that doesn't make sense to me.

Let me also go ahead and


For not putting in much scumfinding on D1 - she doesn't have a particularly high vote-to-post ratio.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by lulz

I want to take this time to apologize to meeko. I'm not racist towards Raccoons, I'm just having a hard time believing the entire scum team was on my wagon because that just never happens. But maybe, just maybe they were. In believing this I completely ignored the part where Dizzy initiated that discussion.

[Bleach][OLOR="Blue"]vote Dizzymrslizzy[/OLOR][/Bleach]

Where did Dizzy do that?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by lulz

I want to take this time to apologize to meeko. I'm not racist towards Raccoons, I'm just having a hard time believing the entire scum team was on my wagon because that just never happens. But maybe, just maybe they were. In believing this I completely ignored the part where Dizzy initiated that discussion.

No, you misunderstood my statement. Just like if your vote isn't color coded correctly it's not a legal vote, I didn't know if not PMing a night act was a legal act. I didn't think anything of it other than, I don't know why one would put their act out in the open to give a roleblocker a chance to block it if they don't like it.

Scum probably would want to block the banishments because it keeps us in the dark longer.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

Originally Posted by lulz

Why are you trying to launch suspicion at someone regarding an action that can be mod confirmed.

Vote Meeko guys. Seriously do it.

It gets an ambiguous answer from the Mod. But is that really even relevant? It doesn't look like there's a move to lynch you.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by lulz

Why are you trying to launch suspicion at someone regarding an action that can be mod confirmed.

Vote Meeko guys. Seriously do it.

I don't think anyone said it was scummy. It was just odd behavior.

Now it is Scummy to place votes and not have a reason why. Why are you voting Meeko please

[lulz]

As a reminder let's compare Archangels claim to Mahaloth's claim...

Here's Archangel's claim...

Originally Posted by Archangel

I'm Town, I'm John Winchester, I'm human, and I was the Watcher. I got results last night but I'm not going to reveal them immediately.

Here's Mahaloth's "claim"...

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I will not say anything further, but I have some kind of power. It has lead me to believe the following:

lulz is Town

That is all.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

My claim is mysterious and incomplete, so I am not that shocked that people didn't buy it. However, I was hoping that it would at least move us off lulz for now.

If I'm going to be the lynch, I'll likely full claim tomorrow. Would it be wise to only "kind of" full claim? I thought about posting everything in detail, but hiding the character name and maybe just summarizing the pm in detail instead of posting the whole thing.

I guess I'll think about it.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hi, everyone, I'm Mahaloth and I screwed up my play in this game.

Everyone: Hi, Mahaloth!

Yeah, I shouldn't have said anything. Oh, well, I'm sorry to Town if I screwed us over, but I'm going to full claim.

I've read and re-read my role and now I'm not even sure if I correctly learned lulz was Town.

Short version: I'm Dean and I am a mandatory vig, whose kills only work on scum or non-humans. I'm Town. I aimed at lulz N1 and it failed.

Long version:



Now, choose. Save me, possibly protect me, and trust me(despite my foolishness) to make good shots or lynch me and punish me for my foolish moves in the game.

I'm sorry, folks, this has not been my best performance.

Wow. That's quite a stark contrast. And I was hardcore townreading Archangel Day one and Scum reading Mahaloth Day 1.

[idrinkthere4iam]

I'm going to go with this being all talk until the pronouncement comes down.

[idrinkthere4iam]

But maybe, just maybe....

You are Town, and the Scum roleblocked you, because our feud is causing confusion.

I chose to go this route in my continued instigating of you last Night. Just hoping, that if you were Town, the Scum would block you. Why? Well, I'm Town, and while you may disagree, me being Banished would hurt us. And secondly, if they block you, they can't block someone else, namely an investigative type role.

Did this gamble work? Who knows. It all depends on if you were telling the truth, and your alignment, but anything is possible.

As for the feud between the two of us? Over and done with in my opinion. No need to keep the charade up any longer, as my plant can't work twice now that there are more Dead bodies to Banish, if it even worked at all.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

But maybe, just maybe....

You are Town, and the Scum roleblocked you, because our feud is causing confusion.

Housekeeping:
First of all I'm going back to the beginning of the thread and starting my comments now that I'm on my PC again. YAY. Because I have a few thoughts and comments.

Secondly, I think I said this in my post that disappeared, that my "s" key isn't working. So keep that in mind if you see a random word, it's probably misssing and S.

My take on this is one of a few things.

a) Someone put protection on Idrink so that no action can be taken against you (not high on my thought process)

or

b) With 3 players visiting Lulz last night, I think a Roleblocker is more believable of a suggestion.

Lastly, maybe a C) We've seen Doctors that while protecting someone the person loses there ability to act. Longshot but a possibility.

My money is betting on scenerio B being a roleblocker.

[Archangel]

I'm Town, I'm John Winchester, I'm human, and I was the Watcher. I got results last night but I'm not going to reveal them immediately.

[Archangel]

(Not revealing them immediately because I received rather more results than I was expecting so it may not be pro-town to reveal some of them).

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

(Not revealing them immediately because I received rather more results than I was expecting so it may not be pro-town to reveal some of them).

I probably got targeted by 2-3 people and you need to decipher which one was the roleblocker and which one was the doctor.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by lulz

I probably got targeted by 2-3 people and you need to decipher which one was the roleblocker and which one was the doctor.

You got targeted by 3, and I don't want to say anymore yet but I already have ideas along that path. Let's see how they react to my announcement.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

(Not revealing them immediately because I received rather more results than I was expecting so it may not be pro-town to reveal some of them).

I would agree with this.

Can you reveal who you picked?

Obviously hold that back if you feel it would not be pro-Town to reveal as well.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

I would agree with this.

Can you reveal who you picked?

Obviously hold that back if you feel it would not be pro-Town to reveal as well.

We were cross-posting, but GMTA.

[Archangel]

Actually, I'm going to reveal half of my action right now...because those who I saw will know I saw them. So their responses to this will be revealing, to me at least.

For obvious reasons, I watched lulz last night. And there was quite a party at his house.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Actually, I'm going to reveal half of my action right now...because those who I saw will know I saw them. So their responses to this will be revealing, to me at least.

For obvious reasons, I watched lulz last night. And there was quite a party at his house.

That was my assumption. And probably the best one to watch. For many reasons.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

And there was quite a party at his house.

I bring all the boys to the yard with my milkshakes. And also the booze.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Question for you Archangel.

Could you watch Dead, but unBanished players? Or did they have to be alive?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Question for you Archangel.

Could you watch Dead, but unBanished players? Or did they have to be alive?

My PM said nothing about Dead or not Dead...just said I could watch a player.
I did consider watching you but I believed lulz's claim the whole time so there was no point in wasting it to see him visiting you. (Which he ended up doing in public anyway.)

Question for you, idrinkthere4iam... how do you know whether or not I can still watch players? (You say could in the past tense above.)

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

My PM said nothing about Dead or not Dead...just said I could watch a player.
I did consider watching you but I believed lulz's claim the whole time so there was no point in wasting it to see him visiting you. (Which he ended up doing in public anyway.)

Question for you, idrinkthere4iam... how do you know whether or not I can still watch players? (You say could in the past tense above.)

I don't. I used past tense, because you're Dead. If your role carries over, then great, but I didn't want to imply you could use it, and have someone come after you.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

My PM said nothing about Dead or not Dead...just said I could watch a player.
I did consider watching you but I believed lulz's claim the whole time so there was no point in wasting it to see him visiting you. (Which he ended up doing in public anyway.)

Question for you, idrinkthere4iam... how do you know whether or not I can still watch players? (You say could in the past tense above.)

I took this as one of two things, which I want to know the answer to both....

1) Are you able to choose a Dead player to watch?
or
2) Which is the way I originally read his question....Could you see a Dead Person visiting someone?

Keep in mind I have no clue whether powers are able to be used when Dead and not Banished. I agree that it Lulz was the obvious choice to watch last night.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I took this as one of two things, which I want to know the answer to both....

1) Are you able to choose a Dead player to watch?
or
2) Which is the way I originally read his question....Could you see a Dead Person visiting someone?

Keep in mind I have no clue whether powers are able to be used when Dead and not Banished. I agree that it Lulz was the obvious choice to watch last night.

I took his question as #1. I don't know the answer to either, though, as I didn't ask it and didn't see anyone Dead.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I took his question as #1. I don't know the answer to either, though, as I didn't ask it and didn't see anyone Dead.

When I first read it, I was wondering if for whatever reason Idrink was one of the visitors, and he was confirming whether or not you saw him before he claimed why he was visiting lulz.

IDK if that really makes sense, because I assume once you are dead you cannot act anymore, but it's not a question I have asked the Mod for clarification.

IDK maybe he did want you to have visited him and find out who potentially banished him.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I took his question as #1. I don't know the answer to either, though, as I didn't ask it and didn't see anyone Dead.

I meant it as 1.

[Archangel]

(I'm being mysterious because I don't want to accidentally out the doctor or the cop to the roleblocker.)

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

(I'm being mysterious because I don't want to accidentally out the doctor or the cop to the roleblocker.)

Originally Posted by lulz

vote Mahaloth
vote texcat
vote silverjan

vote meeko
How do these votes look?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by lulz

vote meeko
How do these votes look?

I think you're batting .500.

[Toonces]

I'm quoting 2 posts because the 2nd one wouldn't copy correctly:

Originally Posted by lulz

vote meeko
How do these votes look?

Originally Posted by Archangel

I think you're batting .500.

I missed this earlier because I hadn't realized who was answering lulz's question. (Also, I'm not good with sports references.)

Archangel is telling everyone that 2 of these 4 players visited lulz last Night. Real mysterious, Archangel. If you weren't already NKed, I'd be suspicious of you!

But I now understand why a town Mahaloth might have claimed in these circumstances.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Toonces

I'm quoting 2 posts because the 2nd one wouldn't copy correctly:

I missed this earlier because I hadn't realized who was answering lulz's question. (Also, I'm not good with sports references.)

Archangel is telling everyone that 2 of these 4 players visited lulz last Night. Real mysterious, Archangel. If you weren't already NKed, I'd be suspicious of you!

But I now understand why a town Mahaloth might have claimed in these circumstances.

That's not what I said at all. Lulz asked me how his votes look to me and I said I think he's batting .500-- that means I think half of his votes are scum. It makes no comment on whether or not those people visited him.

Mahaloth did, and I'm suspicious of his jump to claim under the circumstances. (But to be fair, if he's the cop he's damned if he claims and he's damned if he doesn't.)

As for Lightfoot's theory that lulz was recruited, it's a possibility. But SisC said recruitment is voluntary. I don't see lulz, who based on his OOG comments takes great pride in his scum-hunting, deciding to suddenly switch to scum. I *do* think there were at least 3 scum who voted him yesterday, and scum came close to taking a bad loss. I think he'd be proud of that and want to continue fighting them.

Question is, is it worth it to risk the cop in order to find the roleblocker? I think so, in that if we don't, s/he will continue to block lulz and we'll have very little info on alignment. I think that's more of a problem than losing the cop's ability to perhaps catch a scum or two. I'd prefer the doctor stay safe until the roleblocker is Banlshed.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by lulz

[B][COLOR="Blue"]vote meeko
How do these votes look?

I'm sorry, what was the case on me again? That I was one of the few people NOT to vote you?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

(I'm being mysterious because I don't want to accidentally out the doctor or the cop to the roleblocker.)

If there's a cop who visited me I want them to know they are terrible. Absolutely awful. I just want you to know that, whomever you are. I'm obvious town. That should have been apparent from the crapwagon that formed on me and the number of people voting me without calling me scum.

learn to analyze wagons pleez.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Ok, I've been at work for over an hour and haven't really done anything yet.... I should probably get on that, so I'll come back later.

[SisterCoyote]

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

What are you talking about "missed my boat"? My townread got killed and my scumread got protected. Mod accepted my action. What exactly are you losing patience with?

so you are saying the player you thought was Town ( for what ever reason) was the NK- and the player you tried to banish was protected - or you were blocked- sending your order in the Day thread ( can I assume you did send a PM?)
- and this comment " Mod prefers PM's but to hell with that. "

Your method of communication is what is trying my patience ( that and the affinity for very large letters- that many find annoying/distracting defeats the purpose if you have something really worth digesting.

also and again- adding your insights to the reasoning behind your votes would help- maybe you see something we don't and if you point it out we will agree and your Scum leans may be on the gallows ( which you are trying to do-right?)

If you are my Charlie- I need to try to protect you- but, darlin' you ain't makin' it easy.

the lone ranger wearing a godzilla suit won't win many mafia games

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

the lone ranger wearing a godzilla suit won't win many mafia games

Many a time I've resorted to faking guilties on my scumreads to carry a terrible town to victory. My arrogance and hubris has no limits. Just check out the mafia memories thread...

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by lulz

My arrogance and hubris has no limits. Just check out the mafia memories thread...

Say, where exactly is ATPG.....