Mafia Through the Looking Glass: Day Two

[SisterCoyote]

'I like the Walrus best,' said Alice: 'because you see he was a LITTLE sorry for the poor oysters.'

Dawn breaks, and the motley crew of chess pieces, sheep, twins, oysters, fantastical creatures, and little girls gathered around. The oysters counted themselves by ones and twos and threes, only to discover that each time they came up one short.

A search party was disorganized, but eventually someone cried out: the crowd gathered around the findings -- a shell and two, inexplicable, tiny shoes smeared with butter.

crys, oyster, Vanilla Town has been killed.

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Day Two begins now. It will end on Friday, December 7, at Noon Pacific.

[crys]

Bwahahaha now I get to haunt your asses..although I'm confused on why I died....GO TOWN

[LightFoot]

What the..... that makes little if any sense
I can't parse the reasoning

crys was second in line for the lynch and would have been suspect for as long as she was alive- it feels like a wasted NK ( unless we have a re-director?)

[Rabid Renaissance]

A clarification from end of Day 1, I was apparently mistaken that Giraffe made a case against Lightfoot, and now I can't seem to find the post I was thinking of. I may have been this one by Zeener: http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=348 or this one by FSwG: http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=354 but neither of them is really a case against Lightfoot. All that being said, Lightfoot did pursue crys pretty steadily all through the day and as I was parsing crys as likely Town, the people who consistently worked against her do stand out from the crowd for me.

And on top of that Lightfoot's most recent comment and that niggle from Yesterday just keeps growing.

crys was divisive yesterday, and assuming she is the scum kill and not a vig victim or one-shot kill victim (as Peeker is not dead as well, he apparently didn't kill her) I don't think the scum logic is too difficult to fathom. Half of the game either tried to lynch crys at one point, and the other half of the game defended her as likely Townie. That is a lot of noise for the scum to hide in and a good probability that there are Townies ripe for the smearing in both groups. Definitely not a wasted NK, I don't think, but a strategic one.

[Val Salva]

Hmmmm......I can't figure this out. There was enough controversy around Crys' claim that I would think that Scum would want her alive for a possible mislynch.

and if Peeker's claim is true and he is the Vig, if he went after Crys, he would be dead as well......and there is only 1 NK, not 2.

What happened to Peeker's kill and why did Scum go after Crys?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Doing none of the scum-hunting but doing all of the fortune telling and blaming at the end of the last round. I nominate him for the noose.



Off to work, be back in 9 hours.

[Val Salva]

Originally Posted by Val Salva

Hmmmm......I can't figure this out. There was enough controversy around Crys' claim that I would think that Scum would want her alive for a possible mislynch.

and if Peeker's claim is true and he is the Vig, if he went after Crys, he would be dead as well......and there is only 1 NK, not 2.

What happened to Peeker's kill and why did Scum go after Crys?

On re-read of my own post, I'm seeing an awful lot of "if"s in my Peeker statement (ok, there's really only 2, but still).........I'm wondering IF Peeker's claim is actually not true.....

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

A clarification from end of Day 1, I was apparently mistaken that Giraffe made a case against Lightfoot, and now I can't seem to find the post I was thinking of. I may have been this one by Zeener: http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=348 or this one by FSwG: http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=354 but neither of them is really a case against Lightfoot. All that being said, Lightfoot did pursue crys pretty steadily all through the day and as I was parsing crys as likely Town, the people who consistently worked against her do stand out from the crowd for me.

And on top of that Lightfoot's most recent comment and that niggle from Yesterday just keeps growing.

crys was divisive yesterday, and assuming she is the scum kill and not a vig victim or one-shot kill victim (as Peeker is not dead as well, he apparently didn't kill her) I don't think the scum logic is too difficult to fathom. Half of the game either tried to lynch crys at one point, and the other half of the game defended her as likely Townie. That is a lot of noise for the scum to hide in and a good probability that there are Townies ripe for the smearing in both groups. Definitely not a wasted NK, I don't think, but a strategic one.

yes crys flipped VT would she have not been a better lynch than the claimed
town power roles? And since I didn't know for sure if she was indeed Town ( who did?)

Are you going to suspect everyone that says what I just did this Day- I see another has voiced the same sentiment as I re: crys's demise

[Rabid Renaissance]

Assuming Peeker's claim is true, he did not have to try and murder anyone and feigning to do so would be a perfectly solid strategy.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

yes crys flipped VT would she have not been a better lynch than the claimed
town power roles? And since I didn't know for sure if she was indeed Town ( who did?)

Are you going to suspect everyone that says what I just did this Day- I see another has voiced the same sentiment as I re: crys's demise

And that's the only datapoint I have on Val, as Val just recently joined in the fun. So no, I'm not going to be voting for her just because of that statement right now.

[Val Salva]

Hmmmmm...thinking some more, trying to make sense out of this.......

I wonder if Scum figured Crys was truthfully claiming VT (i.e. not a power role - obviously they would pretty much know she was Town, or at least not Scum) and figured she wouldn't be watched/protected, etc and Scum could make a clean kill on her?

With the other claims floating about, maybe they figured Enderboy, Chucara and Peeker (if their claims are all truthful, of course) would be watched, protected, whatever and Scum may be caught in the act??

[Val Salva]

Heading to Christmas party- may post later - may post drunk - will try to be on my best behavior

[Chucara]

Hm.. It also seems a strange choice for me. Aside from Val Salva's idea, they may not have believed her vanilla claim, but that also seems far fetched.

*shrug* No matter.

I am absolutely not ready to cast a vote yet, but I really think we should strive to vote earlier Today.

Did anyone not vote Yesterday? I need a reread.

[peekercpa]

i didn't do squat last Night.

[Val Salva]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

And that's the only datapoint I have on Val, as Val just recently joined in the fun. So no, I'm not going to be voting for her just because of that statement right now.

I'm not sure why you would consider voting me for that statement anyway.

I'm just trying to figure out the thought process behind choosing Crys as the NK. I was actually wondering if Crys WAS Scum claiming VT. Obviously, I was wrong, but I did wonder.....and I'm sure there were others wondering the same as well. There were several posts saying just that if I am remembering correctly. That's why I'm trying to figure out why in the world Scum would choose such a bad NK target. Crys would have been a good mislynch candidate for Scum.......

How would that translate to a potential vote for me??

[Val Salva]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Hm.. It also seems a strange choice for me. Aside from Val Salva's idea, they may not have believed her vanilla claim, but that also seems far fetched.

*shrug* No matter.

I am absolutely not ready to cast a vote yet, but I really think we should strive to vote earlier Today.

Did anyone not vote Yesterday? I need a reread.

I didn't. I missed EOD.

[peekercpa]

neta: if one of my stated intended victims was scum and they have a redirector that kind of bites the big one. also, if they don't but they have an rb (which almost seems to be kind of standard these days) i figured what the heck waste it on me doing nothing but catching up on zzzzzs.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

All that being said, Lightfoot did pursue crys pretty steadily all through the day and as I was parsing crys as likely Town, the people who consistently worked against her do stand out from the crowd for me.

Including Ender and Chucara?

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

Definitely not a wasted NK, I don't think, but a strategic one.

What would the strategy be? Cast suspicion on the townies who voted Crys? Cast suspicion on the townies who defended Crys? Or just add to the confusion and hope for a repeat of yesterDay's last minute scramble?

Originally Posted by peekercpa

i didn't do squat last Night.

Phew!

Originally Posted by Val Salva

With the other claims floating about, maybe they figured Enderboy, Chucara and Peeker (if their claims are all truthful, of course) would be watched, protected, whatever and Scum may be caught in the act??

That would make sense but there are more townies out there than Crys.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Val Salva

I'm not sure why you would consider voting me for that statement anyway.

I'm just trying to figure out the thought process behind choosing Crys as the NK. I was actually wondering if Crys WAS Scum claiming VT. Obviously, I was wrong, but I did wonder.....and I'm sure there were others wondering the same as well. There were several posts saying just that if I am remembering correctly. That's why I'm trying to figure out why in the world Scum would choose such a bad NK target. Crys would have been a good mislynch candidate for Scum.......

How would that translate to a potential vote for me??

I'm not, and never planned to. But Lightfoot seems to think I should be wanting to.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by guiri

What would the strategy be? Cast suspicion on the townies who voted Crys? Cast suspicion on the townies who defended Crys? Or just add to the confusion and hope for a repeat of yesterDay's last minute scramble?

Yes, though confusion doesn't necessarily have to come with the pay off of a last minute scramble. It comes in handy for scum in whatever form it happens to take.

I just don't find it to be that baffling choice, if it was indeed a choice on the scum's part, because pretty much everyone had skin in the crys game one way or the other and paranoia could potentially be cultivated in any direction. If the Town is distracted by suspecting each other or by trying to figure out if/why crys was targeted, that is time spent not necessarily scum hunting.

FWIW my vote on Lightfoot is still largely gut driven. I had a feeling crys was town, and I tried to keep an eye on the people who felt otherwise. Lightfoot was consistently one of those people. Her first comment toDay also falls contrary to my take on things and also reads a bit like an over-acted"Golly gee". I have all Day to change my mind, but that's where my vote will sit for now.

[Chucara]

Val Salva Why didn't you vote earlier? Missing deadline is one thing, but you could at any point during the week have voted for someone, and at least had a record?

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

I'm not, and never planned to. But Lightfoot seems to think I should be wanting to.

Never is a strong word, and I only meant in the context of Today so far. Obviously I am not trying to say to never ever vote for Val at any point in the game. Just not at this moment in time.

[DaphneBlack]

Well, I was wrong. Sorry crys.

I think there must be something scummy in the weirdness of the end of Day. Not sure what yet; think I need to do serious reread.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

I'm not, and never planned to. But Lightfoot seems to think I should be wanting to.

This is a miss-representation of my post
FOS that Shite

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by DaphneBlack

Well, I was wrong. Sorry crys.

I think there must be something scummy in the weirdness of the end of Day. Not sure what yet; think I need to do serious reread.

i ain't picking on you daphne but really. and other folks makes this comment all the time and i think i am going to use this as my new you are scum statement. really, you don't have time to keep up with the game in real time but suddenly you will find a couple of days to catch up on shit. c'mon every time i see this statement i want to call b.s. and seriously daphne this is not directed specifically at you but at anyone who says it.

jeebuz.

i mean i know rl intrudes but criminy suggesting that you are going to read 10 pages of posts that are a week old and come up with a nugget is just about carp.

[DaphneBlack]

I get what you are saying in general peeks but I think you might be misinterpreting me in this specific case. I was satisfied with my vote on crys at the time, and when I left it there wasn't much time left. In light of crys not being lynched, and then being killed, I have to reevaluate what I thought, and try to figure out what happened. Retreading the end of day one with the. New knowledge is kind of necessary, considering what we know now.

In general I'm not a big believer in trying to outguess the scum, but it is worth it to look back and see if there was something in the final movement of votes that could expose someone.

In this instance, I can't see anything on first glance that is very illuminating. One thing stands out a little bit.

Rabid, why did you switch to Lightfoot when you did?

[DaphneBlack]

NETA
Retreading = re-reading

[Rabid Renaissance]

Because my vote for you was a one-off and through the course of the fluctuating vote count, one-off votes are functionally the same thing as voting for the lynch leader. Lightfoot's name had been coming up enough that it seemed more likely to find other people willing to vote for her instead of crys vs you.

Now considering that Lightfoot didn't get lynched, and Dizzylizzy did and she flipped Town, and I was not one of the people responsible for the late wagon against Dizzy, I never voted for her and never mayd a case for her, what makes my vote for Lightfoot of all things 'stand out' and what does 'stand out' mean?

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

Because my vote for you was a one-off and through the course of the fluctuating vote count, one-off votes are functionally the same thing as voting for the lynch leader. Lightfoot's name had been coming up enough that it seemed more likely to find other people willing to vote for her instead of crys vs you.

Now considering that Lightfoot didn't get lynched, and Dizzylizzy did and she flipped Town, and I was not one of the people responsible for the late wagon against Dizzy, I never voted for her and never mayd a case for her, what makes my vote for Lightfoot of all things 'stand out' and what does 'stand out' mean?

it means that you knew that she was not a threat and was happy for it to go that way. and were just fine with another "not scum" lynch.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by DaphneBlack

I get what you are saying in general peeks but I think you might be misinterpreting me in this specific case. I was satisfied with my vote on crys at the time, and when I left it there wasn't much time left. In light of crys not being lynched, and then being killed, I have to reevaluate what I thought, and try to figure out what happened. Retreading the end of day one with the. New knowledge is kind of necessary, considering what we know now.

In general I'm not a big believer in trying to outguess the scum, but it is worth it to look back and see if there was something in the final movement of votes that could expose someone.

In this instance, I can't see anything on first glance that is very illuminating. One thing stands out a little bit.

Rabid, why did you switch to Lightfoot when you did?

thank you for a response that makes sense. just be careful daphne. read eod ragnorak D4. that was a cluster and every scum skated. matter of fact all of us basically became confirmed townies.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Entirely too man she's involved for me to know which she you're refering to, Peeks. And no idea if you're accurately channeling Daphen's thoughts.

[DaphneBlack]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

Because my vote for you was a one-off and through the course of the fluctuating vote count, one-off votes are functionally the same thing as voting for the lynch leader. Lightfoot's name had been coming up enough that it seemed more likely to find other people willing to vote for her instead of crys vs you.

Now considering that Lightfoot didn't get lynched, and Dizzylizzy did and she flipped Town, and I was not one of the people responsible for the late wagon against Dizzy, I never voted for her and never mayd a case for her, what makes my vote for Lightfoot of all things 'stand out' and what does 'stand out' mean?

Stand out means stand out, not necessarily as suspicious, just surprising. Maybe I missed the building suspicion on Lightfoot. I understand not wanting to be a one-off. I am interested in your views on Lightfootnow, in light of the swing to Dizzy which happened after.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

Entirely too man she's involved for me to know which she you're refering to, Peeks. And no idea if you're accurately channeling Daphen's thoughts.

no offense intended. i can't channel my own thoughts much less someone elses. i got the new dog to pee in the back yard before she ran into the house and crapped on my side of the bed, however. the missus says she is just bonding with me.

[Val Salva]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Val Salva Why didn't you vote earlier? Missing deadline is one thing, but you could at any point during the week have voted for someone, and at least had a record?

I believe I posted why in Night one thread - just a crazy busy week - did not participate in either of the games I was playing in all week - Tried to read to keep caught up, but was so exhausted I couldn't put a coherent thought together.

[Val Salva]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Val Salva Why didn't you vote earlier? Missing deadline is one thing, but you could at any point during the week have voted for someone, and at least had a record?

NETA: I do not like to vote early. I often change my mind - a lot. And I really, really, really don't like all the votes/unvotes. Just my personal preference of play.

[Colby11]

Crys dying is weird. But maybe Town has a redirector?

Either that or one of the scum actually bought the whole "Crys is playing low so that she can beat us with her awesome powers" card that someone threw out there (going to reread Day 1 and see who suggested that)

[Swammerdami]

It was obviously unfortunate the way we zipped from one Lynchee to another late yesterDay, and especially bad that "we" settled on Lynching a player who wasn't even around to defend herself. I finally "put my foot down" and refused to go along with the Lynch of non-online Dizzy -- and I'm Scummy??

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Doing none of the scum-hunting but doing all of the fortune telling and blaming at the end of the last round. I nominate him for the noose.

vote: septimus

I did argue cases on people who still are likely Scum, including

By "fortune telling" I suppose you're suggesting I had PIS when I suggested Dizzy might be Town. To the contrary it was you who exhibited PIS with your confident assertion -- before EOD -- that I'd seem to have PIS after Dizzy's flip. What was your useful Scum hunting yesterDay, Pizza? -- your frantic campaign to expose and lynch Townies at EOD? You're high on my suspect list, though not at the very top.

AFAICT, Scum (with the possible exception of Pizza) may not have abetted the fiasco yesterDay -- we Townies may have done it all by ourselves.

I still don't understand how or why crys was NightKilled, especially since there is no Redirector in the list of roles.
Miss Renaissance -- (may I call you that?) -- thinks that Scum somehow decided she was their best choice to Kill:

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

... I don't think the scum logic is too difficult to fathom. Half of the game either tried to lynch crys at one point, and the other half of the game defended her as likely Townie. That is a lot of noise for the scum to hide in and a good probability that there are Townies ripe for the smearing in both groups. Definitely not a wasted NK, I don't think, but a strategic one.

I admit I was suspicious of Rabid Renaissance, but after this post I definitely think she's Town! Her analysis reminds me of some of Giraffe's in the last game -- much too bizarre for Scum to dare come up with!

(I'm still trying to figure her comment out, and wouldn't object if Miss Renaissance would rephrase it.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm flattered that you think the epic disaster of yesterday was a deliberate effort on my part, being scum, but I am afraid you are mistaken. That was pure and simple not believing crys was scum, given the timing of her claim and that she claimed the vanilla role as if that was something worth revealing.

I also was trying my damnedest to avoid lynching our strong roles, but unfortunately or fortunately they're all over the freaking place.

When in doubt, assume epic fail on town's part rather than stupendously brilliant mafia strategy.

[Swammerdami]

MisLynching a known Vanilla Town is much less bad than misLynching a hidden Vanilla Town, which is much less bad than misLynching a Town Power. And I'm not sure that exposing a Town Power as part of an effort to save a known Vanilla Town is a good trade-off. YesterDay we exposed two Powers and Lynched a third.

Add to this the facts that (1) Dizzy wasn't on-line to defend herself, (2) the main case against Dizzy seemed to be "Let's Lynch anybody other than crys", and (3) crys might have been Scum herself (*), yesterDay's last minute voting was a real disaster. I have to accept some blame: I could have switched my vote to crys as soon as Chucara claimed. (* - I thought it very unlikely she was Scum, but the fact that others thought she might be would make her Lynching less bad -- she'd still be a distracting target for Day 2.)

I'll concede that you most probably are Town, Pizza. The real Scum were Lurking or semi-Lurking and laughing at us. I do think that your leading the Dizzy bandwagon was anti-Town. And I certainly don't understand your vote on me: I don't see any anti-Town or pro-Scum motives for my votes or comments.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had just typed up an entirely too long reply to your very simple point, so I'll shorten it.

And I certainly don't understand your vote on me: I don't see any anti-Town or pro-Scum motives for my votes or comments.

There was a game, Star Wars was the name. The Jedi lynched a Jedi Master, bearer of town powers and much more useful than the rest of us padawans. Person who speaks loudest about how awful the lynch was had been laying low while town blundered, then shows up to make himself look good and condemn our actions. I point out that his behavior smelled funny, we lynch him, he's Sith, of course.

There's something about lying that makes people take things too far in the opposite direction, and I feel you did that at the end of the day yesterday, by distancing yourself from the disaster before it happened, predicted it would be a disaster, and began questioning the motives of everyone involved, laying down the blame tracks for, possibly, a future railroading. I've just seen it before and it wasn't townie when I saw it.

Maybe you're different, but that is something I'll need to determine. Yesterday you were willing to blame that mess on scum actions, now you say it is probably townie, which was my position. What happened since then? I don't see what happened between yesterday and today which causes you to reverse your opinion.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll should note that I have yet to wager all my poker chips on your guilt- I just feel as placeholders go, you're a comfortable fit for today's opening bid.

[Flying Squid with Goggles]

I'm with others who find the death of crys a little odd, given what happened yesterDay. Seems like there are three major possibilities, none of which really help:

*Scum didn't believe crys' claim, but knew s/he wasn't one of them.

*Scum did believe crys' claim, but felt hir death gave them some advantage.

*Scum did believe crys' claim, but redirector or other game roles/rules altered the target/death last Night.


I can't really see how assuming any of these three gives us an edge in identifying the mafia, since there's no reason to rule out the other two. Looking at who posted what, and when, near the End of Day yesterDay looks to me like a more fruitful way to spend our time.

Anything I've missed in that?

[SisterCoyote]

Day Two Vote Count:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Lightfoot (1): Rabid Renaissance (4)
Septimus (1): Askthepizzaguy (6)
Suburban Plankton (1): Septimus (37)

With these votes, Lightfoot will be lynched.

Countdown to Day End.

[EnderBoy]

I like how the local time is in Reno.

I once lynched a man in Reno, just to watch him flip.

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Septimus

MisLynching a known Vanilla Town is much less bad than misLynching a hidden Vanilla Town, which is much less bad than misLynching a Town Power. And I'm not sure that exposing a Town Power as part of an effort to save a known Vanilla Town is a good trade-off. YesterDay we exposed two Powers and Lynched a third.

Add to this the facts that (1) Dizzy wasn't on-line to defend herself, (2) the main case against Dizzy seemed to be "Let's Lynch anybody other than crys", and (3) crys might have been Scum herself (*), yesterDay's last minute voting was a real disaster. I have to accept some blame: I could have switched my vote to crys as soon as Chucara claimed. (* - I thought it very unlikely she was Scum, but the fact that others thought she might be would make her Lynching less bad -- she'd still be a distracting target for Day 2.)

I'll concede that you most probably are Town, Pizza. The real Scum were Lurking or semi-Lurking and laughing at us. I do think that your leading the Dizzy bandwagon was anti-Town. And I certainly don't understand your vote on me: I don't see any anti-Town or pro-Scum motives for my votes or comments.

A dead Townie is a dead Townie, and the potential fruits of powers do not inflate the value of a power role nearly as much as you seem to think it does. A Vanilla can win the game as the last Townie standing, and the Town can still lose even with a Doc and a Cop still in play.

Suspecting the people who didn't want to lynch crys and were proven right when she flipped Town is going to have a really lousy false positive rate imho. Unfortunately, pretty much the same can be said for suspecting the people who did vote to lynch her.

On that note and as Lightfoot has reacted to my vote about the same way I would if I were in her shoes and Town, I'm going to

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by DaphneBlack

Well, I was wrong. Sorry crys.

I think there must be something scummy in the weirdness of the end of Day. Not sure what yet; think I need to do serious reread.

Scum may have had a hand in the matter, but I think it was town who went crazy at the 11th hour. Three town claims, two power roles (plus peeker's claim last Night), and one lynched town power role. Scum didn't really need a hand in any of this, we did it to ourselves.

I thought I had a good case built against EnderBoy and I'm glad he wasn't lynched (I was offline in the final hours before Dusk).

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

FWIW my vote on Lightfoot is still largely gut driven. I had a feeling crys was town, and I tried to keep an eye on the people who felt otherwise. Lightfoot was consistently one of those people. Her first comment toDay also falls contrary to my take on things and also reads a bit like an over-acted"Golly gee". I have all Day to change my mind, but that's where my vote will sit for now.

I didn't buy the case on crys yesterDay, and I'm not sure I can get behind this case against Lightfoot. Both seem to be more "gut-driven" than actually evident of scum. We can identify those who doggedly kept their vote on crys as potential scum but the only player of those I fingered turned out to claim Town. After reading what happened yesterDay, it's hard to say where I would've moved my vote, had I been able. The cases against both Chucara and Dizzy seemed tenuous, as if town was racing to beat the clock just to lynch someone. This is a Day 1 I'll remember for a long time.

[Polluxo]

I'd like to apologize for missing EOD yesterDay, I intended to be here but a mid-afternoon power nap took a hold of my consciousness and wouldn't let go.

The dizzy bandwagon out of nowhere screams fishy to me. I'm going to be taking a hard look at those that were a part of it because I'm guessing there was one scum on it. It was probably mostly frantic town, but somewhere in that mess is a scum or two, I'm sure of it.

[Chucara]

Just did a reread of the events I missed last night. I still don't understand where that came from.

Wombat99, Giraffe, Askthepizzaguy, Scathach, guiri, gnarlycharlie: All pounced Dizzy with very little time left. However, since BOTH crys and Dizzy were Town, I don't necessarily see a scum motivation behind this. Unless scum didn't want to lynch a vanilla, but it both seems too risky, AND they killed crys anyway.

Askthepizzaguy: Why did you go from not liking Wombat putting up a new vote in #441 to voting Dizzy in #415, all of 8 minutes later?

I also don't like Val Salva not voting, but a claim of RL issues I chose believe. I'd like to think that there is a gentlemen's agreement not to claim RL issues in order to get away with being scum.

I did a quick reread of Day One, and there really isn't anything pinging me. I think our current situation is more the result of over eager town rather than scum.

[Chucara]

NETA: The following players didn't vote:

Colby11, Val Salva, Pulluxo

As I mentioned earlier, I think voting early is without exception a good idea. We could have avoided all of this mess if people had just cast their votes well ahead of time in order to give Dizzy a chance to claim.

[Polluxo]

You're wrong. I had a vote on EnderBoy, I just wasn't around at EOD to change it to someone who wasn't a claimed mason.