[guiri]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Was I under no pressure to claim? How much "pressure" is there in someone mildly asking others to claim?

But that was you, you asked them to claim, and of course you needed to follow up afterwards, but there was no pressure on you to start that.

Originally Posted by Meeko

But, you leave out TWO key parts of my claim, rather, the circumstances of my claiming.

From the start I said I was taking a risk. I still am.

How on earth were you taking a risk?
If you are scum, and a role cop, you could be sure they were vanilla, either due to an investigation, or because they are fellow goons
If you are scum, and not a role cop, someone on your team may have picked up a crumb that they are vanilla, or they are fellow goons
If you are town, you had results that they were vanilla! If either of them lied, it would be auto-lynch as townies rarely ever have cause to lie.

Originally Posted by Meeko

On Day 3, I set forth conditions that had to be met before I claimed. How many Cops routinely and customarily claim on Day 4? How many Cops claim on day 4 without pressure, without conversation of doing so, and indeed, without second thought? Certainly a Cop Claim that satisfied conditions on Day 3 is of similar value. It would be a risk, but again, I knew that going in.

Again, what risk? No risk. And to be really fair, your conditions were vague, if you'd asked me I'd have given name, role and alignment. Your conditions were:

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm taking a risk here.

I will only claim After Lulz and Double A claim.

And that's what I said at the time:

Originally Posted by guiri

As for Meeko's request, I expect he's looking for more than a power claim, but shedding light on Lulz and Double A will certainly help move the game along.

If one or both of your targets are town, this really was fishing.

Originally Posted by Meeko

I knew my targets to be vanilla. Neither of them lied. They could have claimed a number of things. They did not. I couldn't catch them in a lie. YMMV on what that means, but I think it goes a long way. If it doesn't, then look at them further, and not me. Further, I held up my end of the deal. I claimed after the conditions were met. It was a risk, I knew that going in.

Again, what risk to you, that you'd become a target?

But at least you've attempted to explain yourself. I still think the scum motivation for what you did and how you did it is significantly more plausible than the town motivation.

Now, if you are scum, I imagine that Double A, despite his vote on Mahaloth, is your scumbuddy. You made no attempt to save lulz on D2 when he was in danger of being lynched even though you had a partial result on him and Mahaloth was quite agressive towards him. Scathach, especially after Pizza's retreat, is plausible. Your little standalone vote on Sooh could be a little distancing. I find it hard to believe we're at lylo as that would mean you and two others, but there were two town deaths last Night (both power roles, were they your missing results?), could scum be in control of both of them so a mislynch toDay could mean end game?