[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Your eagerness here pings. Quite a bit.

Hmm...even originating from a tradition where players keeping individual "cold sheets" are common, I do kinda see where Meeko's coming from here.

Originally Posted by guiri

Oh, you were not around near EoD? You meant after or past EoD here?

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Is promising to come back with more later and then not delivering not a scumtell where you usually do play?

I didn't remember when deadline was exactly. I can't really prove it if you don't believe me.

And no, I'd say it's pretty universally a source of scumpoints in my broad experience. Which is why I'm inclined to let things breathe until a while after I've put more content out there, and not rush headlong into an oxygen-sucking thunderdome with you, for instance. Now more than ever, town needs an open and cool-headed discussion.

Originally Posted by guiri

No response to my questions earlier? Very selective of you.

Well, sir guiri, I think you'll find your answers now!

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GB's quote rules have destroyed the legibility of this section, so I highly recommend you click on the blue arrow and read the original post for context. My comments are bold and blue interlinears:

Originally Posted by guiri

You cannot deny that Gnarly's accusation of PIS exposed his own PIS, it's now proven, but it was town-PIS and not 3-party or scum PIS, my bad.

In my eyes it's still a pretty thin margin, but the wording differences between the VT pm and charlie's do seem to confer differing degrees of certainty. So I'll give you this one.

Explain the bit in bold please.

What's there to explain? I thought I remembered you voting charlie later but I wanted to verify before making any conclusion based on it.

That was tortured logic to squirm out of exposing his PIS, in fact it's what made me more confident later.

I think a previous post why I don't believe this is a particularly "tortured" post from charlie. Wild guesses at things absent any concrete info isn't particularly wolfy; townies do it all the time. I do know a lot of places automatically think setup spec, particularly, is a big wolf tell, but I defiantly do not subscribe to that. My disclaimer of bias is that setup spec was quite common in my home communities and often a tool fror townies to get their heads in the game. Not that I can never find it scummy or understand a scumread based on it, but I need a concrete reason other than just "following the tell".

You missed my #225, questioning Archangel's last minute vote on Gnarly.

Hmm.

This does indicate that the outcome between gnarly/Tex mattered to you. It's not an uncommon signal for a skilled wolf to be able to throw, but it's something I have to factor in.

Also a lack of activity around EoDs tends to muddy the waters in general.

(As does an overwhelming flood of activity, I feel, which has basically become the norm on sites that are not GB. Sure, it might be "exciting" to a certain cohort of people, but to me it's just exhausting. Sometimes the opposite of a bad thing is also a bad thing.)

Read it again, he gave two options: multiball or forces=multiple scum members. Remember I was voting TexCat all this time? I felt Gnarly was LHF and TexCat was a better chance of scum, but between her returning to the thread with a read, and Gnarly being online but not posting, I switched.

This is a bit clearer with #225 in the picture, and reads well enough as the point at which town!guiri is definitively swayed onto charlie.

With that said, It doesn't look like charlie ever discounted "wolves + 3P" as a possibility outright. He just sussed you based on jumping to that conclusion vs. the other ones he lists here.

TexCat's post was not justification, where did you read that?

First, that link is fucked up, it points back to #232 where it should actually point to #239.

To sum it up, I read "feeling slightly better about this now" to mean that TexCat jumping on charlie played a decisive factor in you even though there was practically zero substance TexCat put behind it.

But now that I look over it again, it's not the most solid reasoning in the world.

He, FWIW.

Oh yes, if it's not too much bother, could everyone cite their pronouns at some point so I can (eventually) stop misgendering you?

For someone who has a fancy name and pronouns emself, I am embarrassingly terrible at keeping this shit straight. I would legit forget y'alls names if they weren't right in front of my face all the time.

(here's mine demonstrated: http://pronoun.is/ey/em/eir/eirs/emself

it's basically the they/.../themself series with the "th" cut off. You can add it back, if headless pronouns stick in your craw too much.)

When you come back, bring all the walls you were authoring D1 please.

Why the hell would I do that? It's not D1 anymore, thus any conclusions I could reach without factoring in the information gained by a cycle already past would be outdated and irrelevant.

It's time to live in the now.

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Originally Posted by guiri

If you believe both Texcat and Gnarly are town, and I’m scum, what’s my motivation for the switch?

There isn't, but I don't necessarily believe TexCat is town. In fact I was warming up to the idea that I should consider scum!TexCat world more and your near EoD actions were evidence of it.

Originally Posted by Meeko

It's always interesting when your two leading scum suspects end up voting for each other.

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Kai, you don't need to give me warnings on possible tangents. I divert by default.

I am quite cognizant of that last by now, @Meeko.

With that said, would you care to explain the process behind moving me from the null-town zone to one of your top scumz? I feel like there's a big hole there.