A Wizards True Name - Day 1

[Colby11]

I disagree on this. Any information that Town gives Scum is a useless tactic.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Colby11

I disagree on this. Any information that Town gives Scum is a useless tactic.

Maybe. It´s not about giving information to scum, it´s about town having more information than we have now. Scum at least know each others' last names, we know nothing. Leveling the knowledge available can only benefit town, or do you have any specific reason why it´s useless in this game?

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Colby11

I disagree on this. Any information that Town gives Scum is a useless tactic.

I'm with Colby on this.

What benefit is there to Town in everyone knowing everyone else's first names?

And guiri, I disagree with your rebuttal. Yes, Scum know each others' last names -- again; how does that benefit them? And how will having everyone's names out in the open benefit Town?

FOS me if you like. I'm certainly FOSing you; I can see too many ways the information, even coded, you're freely giving could be used by Scum but not by Town.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

I'm with Colby on this.

What benefit is there to Town in everyone knowing everyone else's first names?

And guiri, I disagree with your rebuttal. Yes, Scum know each others' last names -- again; how does that benefit them? And how will having everyone's names out in the open benefit Town?

FOS me if you like. I'm certainly FOSing you; I can see too many ways the information, even coded, you're freely giving could be used by Scum but not by Town.

1. Scum are forced to lie, and can be caught out in the lie when we look at all the claimed names
2. Town can possibly clear other townies if their names match, especially if we avoid posting the exact same clues
3. Upon reveal of one player, we can know that there's at least one other player with that name

How exactly do you see scum using the information that my first name has 7 letters, one of which is an N?

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by guiri

1. Scum are forced to lie, and can be caught out in the lie when we look at all the claimed names

If they don't have cover IDs, sure. Are you willing to Bet Your Life on that?

2. Town can possibly clear other townies if their names match, especially if we avoid posting the exact same clues

Mm. Maybe. But I am dubious.

3. Upon reveal of one player, we can know that there's at least one other player with that name

And?

How exactly do you see scum using the information that my first name has 7 letters, one of which is an N?

You don't need me to answer that question, and I don't want to give Scum any ideas they don't already have, thanks.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

You don't need me to answer that question, and I don't want to give Scum any ideas they don't already have, thanks.

Actually I do, and this is a silly argument, scum have 2, 3 or 4 minds to put together to come up with strategies, if we don't discuss them here because we might be giving scum ideas, we may as well just vote blindly and ignore the thread for the rest of the Day.

Having cover IDs is a risk I'm happy to take, I don´t think the information we give will be much use to them - unless you say why it´s such a terrible idea.

As for single death reveals, if someone called Morris dies, and only one other person has posted a clue that matches Morris, we can assume that person was being truthful. If it turns out that scum had cover IDs with real matching names, then we´ll realize soon enough.

Not sure what you're so strongly opposed to, if it's such a bad idea, I'd prefer you said why now before we make a mistake that will be regretted.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by guiri

Actually I do, and this is a silly argument, scum have 2, 3 or 4 minds to put together to come up with strategies, if we don't discuss them here because we might be giving scum ideas, we may as well just vote blindly and ignore the thread for the rest of the Day.

That's ridiculous and you know it.

Having cover IDs is a risk I'm happy to take, I don´t think the information we give will be much use to them - unless you say why it´s such a terrible idea.

Anything we give them that could be used against us (as in, for example, the Day kill -- or investigations) is a bad idea. If I say that my name has seven letters and has an "X" in the seventh position, then they can start putting together the pieces of everyone's names and because Scum have many brains rather than one can probably do more with that information than Town can as far as working out people's names.

As for single death reveals, if someone called Morris dies, and only one other person has posted a clue that matches Morris, we can assume that person was being truthful. If it turns out that scum had cover IDs with real matching names, then we´ll realize soon enough.

I think there's a fundamental assumption here about the number of repetitions in first names. In your example here: Yes, we will have duplicate names. But that doesn't mean there can't be two Morris Meowmixes, and three Morris Williamsons (following Bill's theory about multiple pairs and one triple).

Not sure what you're so strongly opposed to, if it's such a bad idea, I'd prefer you said why now before we make a mistake that will be regretted.

I am generally opposed to the free donation of information to the Scum cause. This has been true in every game I've ever played, and I seem to recall that you and I have butted heads about this before. Regardless, though:

1) I don't think we can safely assume that there are seven pairs of first names and one triple first name. I think it's far more likely that there are four to five individuals with the *same* first name. So no, I don't think giving up the information helps Town at all.

2) Playing the guessing game just gives Scum and their multiple brains more opportunities to break the code and use that plus the investigative power to figure out people's full names, which brings that Day Kill power into play.

3) I never want to shut down discussion, but I do want to shut down ideas I think are bad ones because they won't help Town win.