Day TWO: Double Vision Mafia

[lulz]

Short version: I'm Dean and I am a mandatory vig, whose kills only work on scum or non-humans.

I'm not human. Lynch mahaloth pleez.

[Meeko]

I feel that it is mutually exclusive. I won't vote Mahaloth, so I feel I have to vote Silver Jan

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I feel that it is mutually exclusive. I won't vote Mahaloth, so I feel I have to vote Silver Jan

So for everyone reading. Mahaloth just got caught flat out lying about her claim and Meeko's response is...

"I won't vote Mahaloth."

Town. I implore you. I'm very likely voting the entire scum team right now. Can we please just get this lynch on mahaloth.

edit
so that it's @everyone alive.



@lulz
@Mahaloth
@idrinkthere4iam
@Flying Squid with Goggles
@TexCat
@LightFoot
@BillMc (the Goddamn Batman)
@Scathach (How accent?)
@guiri
@Raith Kemmler
@Toonces
@Heterometrus swammerdami
@Dizzymrslizzy
@Meeko
@gnarlycharlie
@Silver Jan
@Archangel
@bladescape

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm not human. Lynch mahaloth pleez.

And/or, isn't it?

Or maybe I'm too dumb to fully understand my role.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

And/or, isn't it?

Or maybe I'm too dumb to fully understand my role.

Don't take it personally. I catch scum all the time and they can't handle my play. They try to wagon me but it always looks sloppy and obvious. People who perform wagon analysis usually are like "wow that wagon looks terrible" and boom usually 2-4 scum get caught right then and there. You guys got lucky in that none of the players in this game perform wagon analysis but then you got caught all the same. It's no biggie. I'm sure once you guys figure out how to kill me you can start making inroads on killing townies because I'm pretty much the only person trying to lynch scum.

[Mahaloth]

WTF is up with lulz?

Go ahead and lynch me if you are stupid enough to follow that dude. I'm Town and my role is as sent.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

What I did learn was that it doesn't look as if Lulz was the target of a NK, which seems pretty obvious at this time seeing as Archangel was killed. I don't want to say too much right now because although my role isn't all powerful, it could be helpful down the road.

It doesn't seem that Lulz, Mahaloth and Silver Jan can all be truthful. Lulz' anonymous third visitor was probably a Doctor, but right now we need a more complete claim from Silver Jan.

Or we can just misLynch me, a Vanilla Townie who's "come out of his shell" ... and who will try to remember to go back into his shell next game.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I've been watching the game and lulz you are just so good and I've never seen such phenomenal skill. You and me gotta team up.

Bam!!!

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

It doesn't seem that Lulz, Mahaloth and Silver Jan can all be truthful.

I'm telling the truth. Silver jan is telling the truth.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm telling the truth. Silver jan is telling the truth.

I'd say you and me at this point.

Vote SilverJan

Buy you are pissing me off and I could be wrong, so I can live your death. I might not even have been right about how I understood my lack of killing you.

Meh

Vote lulz

It's anybody's game!

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

Bam!!!

what the hell- the link doesn't even go to the verbage you accredit to it

[LightFoot]

Back to what I was working on

Bill you stated

likewise with lightfoots twin/double - she could have stated up front that roger rabbit is town, the fact that she didn't suggests there is more to lightfoot's claim than meets the eye.

Are you saying I should have outed Charlie as the name - before anyone else claimed it?
Or something different?
Or am I Saturday Morning Daft?


Mahaloth your role post says

So long as you are Alive, for each Night phase you must tell me the name of one player you wish to kill. If that player is not Human and/or is a member of the Scum team, your kill will succeed (assuming no blocking, redirecting, or other protections on your target). Your only confirmation of kill/no kill will be whether the player turns up dead at the beginning of the following Day phase.

did you ask the mod to clarify/-
I read
human= not dead
not human=dead
Scum=dead


Lulz said

I'm sure once you guys figure out how to kill me you can start making inroads on killing townies because I'm pretty much the only person trying to lynch scum.

Not even trying to keep allies here-are you

If there was just one other person claiming 'Charlie' you would have my vote for that

[guiri]

OK, Mahaloth, just one question. Why did you want to kill lulz?

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm not human. Lynch mahaloth pleez.

if the 3rd person archangel saw visiting you was a doc - then that would explain why you aren't pushing up the daisies

but since your analysis is so perfect in 'catching' mahaloth with this slip - you are there for stating that the 3rd person who visited you wasn't a doc

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Are you saying I should have outed Charlie as the name - before anyone else claimed it?
Or something different?
Or am I Saturday Morning Daft?

i dont see what the downside would have been had you stated xyz was town on day 1

[lulz]

Originally Posted by BillMc

if the 3rd person archangel saw visiting you was a doc - then that would explain why you aren't pushing up the daisies

but since your analysis is so perfect in 'catching' mahaloth with this slip - you are there for stating that the 3rd person who visited you wasn't a doc

The third person who targeted me is an investigation role. I'm fairly certain of it. And I'm fine with them being quiet and Archangel can reveal them on an as needed basis.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by lulz

So for everyone reading. Mahaloth just got caught flat out lying about her claim and Meeko's response is...

"I won't vote Mahaloth."

The burden is on you to prove this Lulz but as you don't explain anything, I won't hold my breath.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by BillMc

i dont see what the downside would have been had you stated xyz was town on day 1

If I had said xyz is Town D1 ( before anyone claimed that name) it would have left the door open for any Scum to claim that name and gain my support- of sorts-

- remember I was under the assumption that other players knew the name of their 'double' from my interpretation of my role PM

so I guess I don't follow?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Meeko

The burden is on you to prove this Lulz but as you don't explain anything, I won't hold my breath.

I think it's remarkable that of all the legitimate targets for the vigilante your contradictory play and lack of scumhunting didn't make you a target. And then you and the scum who's fake-claiming vig are now defending each other.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

If I had said xyz is Town D1 ( before anyone claimed that name) it would have left the door open for any Scum to claim that name and gain my support- of sorts-

And gain the support of counterclaims as well.

I can't help but notice that you're voting silverjan who is town. Can you stop doing that?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

And gain the support of counterclaims as well.

I can't help but notice that you're voting silverjan who is town. Can you stop doing that?

can you elaborate how 'we' know SJ is Town?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

can you elaborate how 'we' know SJ is Town?

You could do the thing I've been advocating all game and analyze her play but if you can't do that you can just take my word for it since I am analyzing the game. I mean, I'm a little surprised that I'm the only one doing it but hey that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Archangel]

Okay, am I going crazy here? I can't vote, and I don't know if Mahaloth is telling the truth or not, but the PM he posted says he can only kill scum or humans, and lulz says he's not human, and counts that as a scum slip against Mahaloth?

I don't like this at all, especially the way players are ignoring it. Mahaloth, I'm not sure whether or not you're lying or telling the truth but I'm leaning towards believing you.

That leaves lulz lying, but he already said he's known to fake investigations as town in order to get his scum reads lynched. So that may be going on here...but how can I be the only person that notices it when Mahaloth is screaming about it?

[Archangel]

NM, I see it now. I'm an idiot. His short version says non-human but his long PM says human. I jumped straight to the PM.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Okay, am I going crazy here? I can't vote, and I don't know if Mahaloth is telling the truth or not, but the PM he posted says he can only kill scum or non-humans,

Fixed it for you Archangel.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by guiri

OK, Mahaloth, just one question. Why did you want to kill lulz?

^This.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Okay, am I going crazy here? I can't vote, and I don't know if Mahaloth is telling the truth or not, but the PM he posted says he can only kill scum or humans, and lulz says he's not human, and counts that as a scum slip against Mahaloth?

I don't like this at all, especially the way players are ignoring it. Mahaloth, I'm not sure whether or not you're lying or telling the truth but I'm leaning towards believing you.

That leaves lulz lying, but he already said he's known to fake investigations as town in order to get his scum reads lynched. So that may be going on here...but how can I be the only person that notices it when Mahaloth is screaming about it?

Scum or non humans-if that helps----- although anyone that was protected would not have been hit

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Archangel

NM, I see it now. I'm an idiot. His short version says non-human but his long PM says human. I jumped straight to the PM.

Read post 200 one more time........

[lulz]

As a reminder let's compare Archangels claim to Mahaloth's claim...

Here's Archangel's claim...

Originally Posted by Archangel

I'm Town, I'm John Winchester, I'm human, and I was the Watcher. I got results last night but I'm not going to reveal them immediately.

Here's Mahaloth's "claim"...

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I will not say anything further, but I have some kind of power. It has lead me to believe the following:

lulz is Town

That is all.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

My claim is mysterious and incomplete, so I am not that shocked that people didn't buy it. However, I was hoping that it would at least move us off lulz for now.

If I'm going to be the lynch, I'll likely full claim tomorrow. Would it be wise to only "kind of" full claim? I thought about posting everything in detail, but hiding the character name and maybe just summarizing the pm in detail instead of posting the whole thing.

I guess I'll think about it.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hi, everyone, I'm Mahaloth and I screwed up my play in this game.

Everyone: Hi, Mahaloth!

Yeah, I shouldn't have said anything. Oh, well, I'm sorry to Town if I screwed us over, but I'm going to full claim.

I've read and re-read my role and now I'm not even sure if I correctly learned lulz was Town.

Short version: I'm Dean and I am a mandatory vig, whose kills only work on scum or non-humans. I'm Town. I aimed at lulz N1 and it failed.

Long version:



Now, choose. Save me, possibly protect me, and trust me(despite my foolishness) to make good shots or lynch me and punish me for my foolish moves in the game.

I'm sorry, folks, this has not been my best performance.

Wow. That's quite a stark contrast. And I was hardcore townreading Archangel Day one and Scum reading Mahaloth Day 1.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Read post 200 one more time........

Yeah, I'm getting confused, I have medication fog brain, but I get it now. His short statement contradicts his posted PM. The PM says non-human, and if that were true lulz would be dead unless he was protected. Sorry for the meaningless interjection.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Yeah, I'm getting confused, I have medication fog brain, but I get it now. His short statement contradicts his posted PM. The PM says non-human, and if that were true lulz would be dead unless he was protected. Sorry for the meaningless interjection.

I don't see a contradiction one says non human and one says not human

[LightFoot]

lulz
you are not human- nor am I- if You are me and I am you ( according to my PM) would you humour me and tell me which species you are?- although we don't share a name maybe we share that?
Human
Angelic
Infernal
Monster
Special

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

lulz
you are not human- nor am I- if You are me and I am you ( according to my PM) would you humour me and tell me which species you are?- although we don't share a name maybe we share that?
Human
Angelic
Infernal
Monster
Special

No. When the scum finally find a way to kill me then you'll know my species. I didn't think it mattered otherwise I would have revealed it when I claimed way back when. Good thing I didn't.

[Raith Kemmler]

What does Special imply, anyone with show knowledge?

Would that be a singular unique person, or an entire subgroup?

Vote Mahaloth

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

What does Special imply, anyone with show knowledge?

Would that be a singular unique person, or an entire subgroup?

Vote Mahaloth[/COLOR]

does your statement have anything to do with your vote?

[LightFoot]

I think-- taking recruitment off the table for this
Archangel is Town ( remember that NK thing)=truthful : they saw
mahaloth seems truthful
silverjan-not enough information
M-X= unknown- likely a protective role from the results

lulz ( although driving me kernuts) has not been counter claimed Charlie = mostly truthful
what claims am I missing?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

`snip`

You could do the thing I've been advocating all game and analyze her play but if you can't do that you can just take my word for it since I am analyzing the game. I mean, I'm a little surprised that I'm the only one doing it but hey that's fine. It wouldn't be the first time.

if at all possible discontinue riding this high horse it makes you look like the backside of said animal and the ones you are speaking to feel like their person ( not character in game) is being attacked

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

if at all possible discontinue riding this high horse it makes you look like the backside of said animal and the ones you are speaking to feel like their person ( not character in game) is being attacked

I'm having some difficulties in my life right now. I'm in a game where scum played uselessly day 1, night 1, made a nebulous claim, then botched a claim, and still isn't being lynched. It's very stressful and difficult for me. I hope you can empathize and I had no intention of attacking yours or anyone's character.

[Raith Kemmler]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

does your statement have anything to do with your vote?

Nope.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm having some difficulties in my life right now. I'm in a game where scum played uselessly day 1, night 1, made a nebulous claim, then botched a claim, and still isn't being lynched. It's very stressful and difficult for me. I hope you can empathize and I had no intention of attacking yours or anyone's character.

Generally the only players stressed when Scum is useless is another Scum= ?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

You are [font color="Blue"]Town[/font].

Totally meta, does the [font] tag work on giraffeboards? Does anyone else have miscoded formatting in their PM.

While a role that can kill non-humans and scum sounds pro-town, angelic and special don't exactly sound so nasty and since there's supposed to be no relationship between alignment and species, why exactly would only humans be safe from a vig?

And even if Maha was telling the truth about his role, how would he jump to the conclusion that Lulz must be town?

And how did Dizzy guess that Mahaloth had misunderstood the species-alignment relationship so accurately???

Are there any mandatory vigs out there who want to counterclaim? Was it SisterC who had a bad experience being an outed mandatory vig in a game with a scum redirector?

I still think that a cop would have looked at lightfoot, or elsewhere, so that does leave the third visitor highly likely to be a doc, a plausible excuse for lulz being alive toDay.

[Archangel]

Lightfoot, you're right, I read the PM wrong.

lulz, can you say why you think the third person was an investigator?

[LightFoot]

( easier than typing them separate)

process of elimination of the watched players

avoiding the main points

most recent post- feels fishy and it is late enough in the Day that a vote should have a reason

[Raith Kemmler]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Generally the only players stressed when Scum is useless is another Scum= ?

No, Lulz is reiterating that the rest of us aren't playing well enough.

Scum played terribly, but now Town just isn't realizing this, and no one will listen to Lulz's Cassandra. The stress is due to the town's failure, it has nothing to do with Scum being bad on their own.

[LightFoot]

well hell

You are [b ][color=blue ]Town[/color ][/b ] (I added the spaces)

Is how mine reads ( didn't think to check that skibble) would Sis change methods?

[font color="Blue"]Town[/font]

doesn;t work

mahaloth preview is your friend

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

No, Lulz is reiterating that the rest of us aren't playing well enough.

Scum played terribly, but now Town just isn't realizing this, and no one will listen to Lulz's Cassandra. The stress is due to the town's failure, it has nothing to do with Scum being bad on their own.

soo..... you two share a brain now?

[guiri]

Lightfoot, I don't consider that a smoking gun, maybe someone else has botched formatting, maybe SisC created the PMs on proboards and realised her mistake after a few PMs went out, and yeah, maybe scum have a proboards offboard and he forgot to preview.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Lightfoot, you're right, I read the PM wrong.

lulz, can you say why you think the third person was an investigator?

Mahaloth is scum Roleblocker.

silver jan is "not doctor" but is some other role.

It's likely there's not a cop this game because that+Full Watcher is just too powerful for town. However some other weaker investigation role would be acceptable.

I would be a good target for a weaker investigation role like a Tracker, Follower, etc. Just to confirm that I did what I said I did.

I would not have been targeted by a jailkeeper because that prevents me from proving I would do what I said I did.

As you correctly mentioned, I would never have joined another faction if recruited.

There is an outside chance mal is a third party killer and the secret person is the doc.

May I ask...
Is the third person a townread for you or a scumread? You don't have to answer if that's too much of a clue.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by lulz

Mahaloth is scum Roleblocker.

silver jan is "not doctor" but is some other role.

It's likely there's not a cop this game because that+Full Watcher is just too powerful for town. However some other weaker investigation role would be acceptable.

I would be a good target for a weaker investigation role like a Tracker, Follower, etc. Just to confirm that I did what I said I did.

I would not have been targeted by a jailkeeper because that prevents me from proving I would do what I said I did.

As you correctly mentioned, I would never have joined another faction if recruited.

There is an outside chance mal is a third party killer and the secret person is the doc.

May I ask...
Is the third person a townread for you or a scumread? You don't have to answer if that's too much of a clue.

Person Three is a total town-read for me now.

[Archangel]

And I think we need a full claim from Silverjan.