Day THREE: Double Vision Mafia

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I didn't visit Lulz last Night but I did visit someone else.

if your results are helpful share them
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lulz you are not sharing enough relevant info to warrant trust- the videos and crap are not helpful , my claim gave you TBoTD
will you answer my questions?

If you were offered recruitment- would you take it?

would you care to answer any of my earlier questions?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Guiri, What is your current opinion on Mahaloth? Was he the scum roleblocker or redirector that Lulz was allegedly keeping busy? Or do you think we should pursue SilverJan or Archangel's Three? My problem is that we have no idea whether Lulz even has a role to be blocked, much less whether he actually was blocked or not. I'm worried we're on a path to lynch our way through all of the town power roles.

This is my issue. He claimed he was blocked N1. That's fine.... But if Town is basing lynches off of trying to find a mystery role blocker and kill them and none of the people visiting Lulz night 1 were a role blocker then that's a HUGE problem. Even if he is keeping scum busy, he's also confusing town.

And no Guiri. I'm mad Soley because this asshole thinks he can pick and choose who to talk to. I have valid questions that I want answers to so I know how to proceed. I don't care if he lied in past nights and he has a day or night action and will keep scum guessing when he's going to act, but at this point let's be truthful to Day/Night 1 actions. And until he confirms that he was really blocked N1 then I'm keeping a vote on him

[guiri]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Guiri, What is your current opinion on Mahaloth? Was he the scum roleblocker or redirector that Lulz was allegedly keeping busy? Or do you think we should pursue SilverJan or Archangel's Three? My problem is that we have no idea whether Lulz even has a role to be blocked, much less whether he actually was blocked or not. I'm worried we're on a path to lynch our way through all of the town power roles.

I still think Mahaloth will flip scum, probably roleblocker, the whole claim and how he went about did not ring true. We have Lightfoot vouching for Lulz' alignment for now. I'd like Jan to provide more info, but they may serve only to seal the deal on Mahaloth since their claims seem to conflict. As long as Archangel is comfortable keeping Three hidden, I'll trust her judgement.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

if your results are helpful share them
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lulz you are not sharing enough relevant info to warrant trust- the videos and crap are not helpful , my claim gave you TBoTD
will you answer my questions?

If you were offered recruitment- would you take it?

would you care to answer any of my earlier questions?

I shared my TOWN/SCUM reads before anyone. To date most players haven't done the same. You know who's commented on said reads? Archangel, whom I was strongtownreading from day 1 anyway. What is more relevant than explaining who's scum and why? Maybe I should wax philosophical about the set-up since that's what most people want to talk about.

If I was offered recruitment I would not take up the offer, and whomever is a possible recruiter seems to know this because I have not received any recruitment offers to date.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by lulz

Nobody looked at the wagon on idrink, a confirmed town, to figure out who's scum on it. Who's town on it. And especially nobody did the same for my wagon. In fact DizzyMrsLizzy went so far as to say nobody should look at it but nobody finds that odd? Just me? Again. Ok then.


vote Heterometrus swammerdami
vote Scathach
vote DizzyMrsLizzy
vote TexCat[/COLOR][/B]

Actually you read me completely wrong.... I don't disagree with looking at the drink wagon. I disagreed with focusing on players on your wagon when you claimed with 20 minutes left in the day... Here's what I said...

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I have to disagree with us looking at the Lulz voters. Lulz claimed with 20 minutes left in the day. There wasn't much opportunity for anyone to do anything, and we were lucky that there were two players that were able to change the outcome. Now who knows what their alignment are and as you said were they both protecting Lulz, or were they scared Scum trying to run away.

I wasn't here for EOD. I voted him based on his play, arrogance, and anti-town mannerisms. I realize at this point, he's just an arrogant player and it's a null tell. Lightfoot's claim seems to clear him at this point, and I'm planning on laying off him tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that his play yesterday was quite obnoxious. He was asked multiple times for reasonings, and he refused until the very last minute.

Thank you for finally being somewhat transparent.



I still felt your comment towards me was way over the line but I appreciate you finally admitting something that is going on.

Here's my next question, now that you were blocked a second night in a row. Do you still think Mahaloth's is the role blocker? I at this point think Mahaloth's was a Mislynch.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by guiri

Look, if lulz is keeping a scum roleblocker or redirector busy at Night, especially if he doesn't even have a Night action, that's good play. A little bit of wifom, a bit of chaos, and lots of ruffled feathers go a long way in Mafia, that's not being a jerk but I can can how scum would be highly irritated.

True. It is pro-Town for Banisher to leave it ambiguous whether his Power operates at Day or Night -- Scum can't schedule its Role-Block well. Players voting Lulz are mostly just irritated by his style. I view votes on Lulz toDay, especially before Mahaloth flips, as very anti-Town. I'll soon be voting any Lulz voters I'm not voting already.

I'm presently not voting Lulz, but will underscore the point with an illegal Unvote:

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

I still think Mahaloth will flip scum, probably roleblocker, the whole claim and how he went about did not ring true. We have Lightfoot vouching for Lulz' alignment for now. I'd like Jan to provide more info, but they may serve only to seal the deal on Mahaloth since their claims seem to conflict. As long as Archangel is comfortable keeping Three hidden, I'll trust her judgement.

I'm comfortable keeping Three hidden now that we have a sensical response from lulz about the roleblocking, and hopefully a Mahaloth flip. If Mahaloth does not flip roleblocker, though, I may have to revisit this.

[Archangel]

NETA (I know we can edit but I'm not comfortable with it):

If Mahaloth does not flip roleblocker, then I think we need a full claim from Silverjan. After that I may have to revisit the thought of outing Three.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Here's the thing. I know Archangel was NKed but I have suspicions about her alignment and would like to see her be resolved.

And if I'm right she's hiding the scum role blocker and not the "doc".

[SisterCoyote]

Vote count as of Post 37:


(sorry, Jan, no spoiler tags)

TexCat (2,2): Heterometrus swammerdami (11a), lulz (46d)
Heterometrus swammerdami (2,2): gnarlycharlie (21b), lulz (46a)

Lulz (1,2): gnarlycharlie (21a), Dizzymrslizzy (41,55)
gnarlycharlie (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11b)
Raith Kemmler (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11c)
Meeko (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11d)
BillMc (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11e)
Scathach (1,1): lulz (46b)
Dizzymrslizzy (1,1): lulz (46c)

Hammer (1): Heterometrus swammerdami

With these votes, TexCat will be lynched.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's my next question, now that you were blocked a second night in a row. Do you still think Mahaloth's is the role blocker? I at this point think Mahaloth's was a Mislynch.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's the thing. I know Archangel was NKed but I have suspicions about her alignment and would like to see her be resolved.

And if I'm right she's hiding the scum role blocker and not the "doc".

Dizzy,
My understanding of Lulz's current claim is that he can banish once per cycle. He banished N1 and it was blocked. He banished iDrink on D2. He did not have a power to use last night (N2). He now says he's going to banish Mahaloth on D3, and so will not have a power to use tonight (unless he makes up a new one).

Are you saying that Archangel is not a Watcher? Cause I've never heard of a scum watcher, although I suppose it would be possible. I suppose that a scum Archangel could have claimed to have watched Lulz, and confirmed those that volunteered that they were there, but it seems highly unlikely. Of all the things I'd like to see confirmed in this game, Archangel's alignment and role is probably last on my list.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by guiri

I still think Mahaloth will flip scum, probably roleblocker, the whole claim and how he went about did not ring true. We have Lightfoot vouching for Lulz' alignment for now. I'd like Jan to provide more info, but they may serve only to seal the deal on Mahaloth since their claims seem to conflict. As long as Archangel is comfortable keeping Three hidden, I'll trust her judgement.

I can't wait until the reveal comes and I'm revealed as Town. I played badly in this one, but I was never scum!

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's the thing. I know Archangel was NKed but I have suspicions about her alignment and would like to see her be resolved.

And if I'm right she's hiding the scum role blocker and not the "doc".

I'm town, I was NKed, this is a waste of an avenue of inquiry. I hope that I'm hiding the doc and not the scum role blocker though.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I can't wait until the reveal comes and I'm revealed as Town. I played badly in this one, but I was never scum!

If you're not scum, what do you make of Silverjan and Three? Do you see the possibility that one of them is a roleblocker, and if so, which one? Or is it possible that all 3 of you were town and the roleblocker is hidden?

[Archangel]

(If you're really town, you'll probably be gone soon so your thoughts would be helpful now.)

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Let me apologize for lack of concentration in the Game. Miss Swammerina is home from college for the summer so I've been distracted; sorry for poor Scum-hunting.

I've still not decided about the Maha/SJan/Lulz trio; any of them could be Scum AFAICT. Call it paranoia or OMGUS, but from where I sit the clearest event is that five Players voted for me, a Town Vanilla not playing in pro-Scum fashion. The votes on me stink.

[ vote] TexCat [/vote]
[ vote] gnarlycharlie [/vote]
[ vote] Raith Kemmler [/vote]
[ vote] Meeko [/vote]
[ vote] BillMc [/vote]

I continue also to be suspicious of Dizzy and SJan, Toonces, bladescape, Lulz, guiri, and perhaps Squid or Scathach but I won't vote them yet. I was 2nd-place to get Lynched yesterDay so fully expect to get Lynched toDay or toMorrow. With vanilla powers and poor scum-hunting, it's surely the best misLynch. I recommend it if we can't agree on likely Scum. I'll make it easy.

[ vote] Hammer [/vote]

If anyone thinks my play has been pro-Scum, challenge me to explain and justify my playing. A main charge is that I tried to demand votes on Maha or SJan but I thought it was good Town play to call attention to scum trying to hide. I know voting for or against my scum partner in such situations is very uncomfortable for me. I may agree that that by encouraging my own misLynch I've played anti-Town. But that would only be Pro-Scum if I were NOT Scum.

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

True. It is pro-Town for Banisher to leave it ambiguous whether his Power operates at Day or Night -- Scum can't schedule its Role-Block well. Players voting Lulz are mostly just irritated by his style. I view votes on Lulz toDay, especially before Mahaloth flips, as very anti-Town. I'll soon be voting any Lulz voters I'm not voting already.

I'm presently not voting Lulz, but will underscore the point with an illegal Unvote:

[ unvote] Lulz [/unvote]

Shouldn't that be unFOS?
Yesterday you were threatening us for not voting SJ or Mahaloth or straying in our focus. Although you were straying. Today you are threatening us if we dare to vote Lulz, although not very much earlier you said that you were still suspicious of him.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I can't wait until the reveal comes and I'm revealed as Town. I played badly in this one, but I was never scum!

If you're town I promise to quit this game.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Toonces

lulz's video showed a real hedgehog collecting fake rings like Sonic the hedgehog. So, unless I'm missing how that relates to our current situation, I'd say no.


My thoughts are that either there is still a roleblocker out there, or that lulz is purposely being vague and his power is a Day action or has a delay. I agree that we need hear more details from lulz. We can't make a decent evaluation of Mahaloth's alignment without a better understanding of how lulz's power works.

I also did not receive any such message, guiri. You may want to wait until the rest of players respond to say more , but I would like to hear about this PM you got.


Silver Jan, are you willing to tell us whether or not guiri was the player you visited?

Answering as I go along, no, I did not visit Guiri.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by guiri

I still think Mahaloth will flip scum, probably roleblocker, the whole claim and how he went about did not ring true. We have Lightfoot vouching for Lulz' alignment for now. I'd like Jan to provide more info, but they may serve only to seal the deal on Mahaloth since their claims seem to conflict. As long as Archangel is comfortable keeping Three hidden, I'll trust her judgement.

Here's my reasoning for wondering if Mahaloth is really Town. If his Role PM is true, which I know there are discrepancies, but hear me out here. If it is true, then the part about how he could only kill non-humans and something else I don't remember off the top of my head.

This goes towards my Archangel comment also, not knowing alignment, I'm struggling to figure out what's going on.

I guess I'm confused as to how all of this is going to work itself out and don't know how the cannon is. It confused me that a Demon was a Town player with iDrink's reveal.

Are double pairs going to be the same alignment? Like, hypothetically, are their two Dean Winchsters, and is it possible that they are both Town? Are they both human? or is one a human and one a monster and are they both Town, are Scum just random within the pairs? Like some pairs have both players be Town, and some are a Town and a Scum?

Does anyone have more insight on this?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Gah I didn't explain my first point well....

Re: Mahaloth and his Double.....Here's my reasoning for wondering if Mahaloth is really Town. If his Role PM is true, which I know there are discrepancies, but hear me out here. If it is true, then the part about how he could only kill non-humans and something else I don't remember off the top of my head.

Mahaloth's role PM seemed to indicate that he has a Double that can perform the opposite kills. They can kill humans. So I'm assuming that Mahaloth is human and Mahaloth's Double is Non-human. It makes more "sense" to me that Mahaloth's Double seems more dangerous towards Town vs Mahaloth. I know I know species don't = alignment, but it's just a hunch feeling I have.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by lulz

Since everyone care about pointless nonsense...

I was roleblocked on Night 1. I therefore used it on Day one. I misread my role PM. I can't banish DAY AND NIGHT. I can only banish in the DAY OR NIGHT. SisterCoyote issued the correction to me early into D2 and I didn't say anything in case Archangel still had her Watcher powers and she decided to watch me again. Clearly I was comfortable trying to draw the nightkill when I asked not to be protected.

edit:
@SisterCoyote
BANISH MAHALOTH

I was going to say something about someone calling you a not so nice name because I thought that comment rude but honestly these huge letters are not necessary, we can all read otherwise we wouldn't be playing.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

So Lulz, I decided since you gave me what I wanted, I'll give you what you wanted. My fill list of reads.

Strong Town Leans:
Lightfoot - Mason Claim
Lulz - Only because of Lightfoot's Mason Claim
Guiri -

Slight Town Read:
Bill- He's Absent, but also out of the country
Toonces-
Gnarly
Meeko

People that make me uncomfortable
Squid - Lurking
Texcat- Not really Scum hunting
Scathach - Is he even playing?
Raith Kemmler- I don't know him, and nothing he's said is really meaningful
Bladescape- Same feeling as Raith

Scum Leans:
Silver Jan
Swammer

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I was going to say something about someone calling you a not so nice name because I thought that comment rude but honestly these huge letters are not necessary, we can all read otherwise we wouldn't be playing.

Yes my comment was rude, and I apologize, but it really chapped my rear end to be told that he won't speak to me.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

if your results are helpful share them
------------------------------------

lulz you are not sharing enough relevant info to warrant trust- the videos and crap are not helpful , my claim gave you TBoTD
will you answer my questions?

If you were offered recruitment- would you take it?

would you care to answer any of my earlier questions?

My results seem inconsequential as nothing seemed to have happened, probably a waste of time what I did.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's the thing. I know Archangel was NKed but I have suspicions about her alignment and would like to see her be resolved.

And if I'm right she's hiding the scum role blocker and not the "doc".

I had never even thought of that, in my head Archangel is Town and come on, she has sort of proved it but... Oh no, why would she say 3 people had visited Lulz? Scum couldn't have known that unless they had an odd power. If she was scum and she mentioned 3 people then why would 2 of them have owned up to it, nope it doesn't make sense that AA is scum.
So if she isn't scum then what do you think she is?

This is so farfetched that
Vote DizzyMrsLizzy

[Silver Jan]

Damn

Vote DizzyMrsLizzy

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Archangel

If you're not scum, what do you make of Silverjan and Three? Do you see the possibility that one of them is a roleblocker, and if so, which one? Or is it possible that all 3 of you were town and the roleblocker is hidden?

All I can say is that I am not a roleblocker and I did not visit Lulz last Night (i did say that before)

The person I did visit hasn't commented yet but s/he isn't dead either.

[Silver Jan]

I didn't visit Guiri either. I am not a poisoner or a vampire.

OOG I do live very close to were Dracula landed in Whitby /OOG

[Toonces]

Originally Posted by lulz

The number of people I can bounce ideas off of is extremely limited this game. As I don't see a lot of effort to solve the game.

Originally Posted by lulz

I shared my TOWN/SCUM reads before anyone. To date most players haven't done the same.

These thoughts I can definitely agree with. I realize that I am one of the offenders.

I thought I would have time to look more closely at players tonight, but unfortunately I have more important voting to do shortly.*


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*OOG: There is an HOA board meeting & election tonight. There is a woman up for re-election who many residents would like to remove--including other board members. This woman is very difficult to deal with & has been the cause of former board members quitting. She won't listen to the advice of the association's attorney & she may be sharing private financial info about residents that she has access to as a member of the board.

The length of the meeting & the results of the election will probably determine whether I'm in the mood to do any scum-hunting afterwards.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I had never even thought of that, in my head Archangel is Town and come on, she has sort of proved it but... Oh no, why would she say 3 people had visited Lulz? Scum couldn't have known that unless they had an odd power. If she was scum and she mentioned 3 people then why would 2 of them have owned up to it, nope it doesn't make sense that AA is scum.
So if she isn't scum then what do you think she is?

This is so farfetched that
Vote DizzyMrsLizzy

Ummmmm, I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that she is a Scum Watcher, which yes I've seen Scum Trackers/Watchers. She hasn't proved anything aside from the fact that there were three people that visited Lulz on N1.

Two people claimed so far.....IDK, How do you know for a fact she's Town. Because she was NKed? But we have 2 Vig's (according to Mahaloth's Role PM claim), and possibly a Scum Kill as well. It's possible Archangel was a Vig kill by the 2nd Vig and not a Scum kill. It's not that far fetched, and when have you ever known me to not think out of the box and come up with crazy ideas. I have no where else to bounce these ideas off of.

I'd like to hear some other thoughts on my Double's question, because that's what lead me to this whole situation I'm trying to resolve.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by lulz

If you're town I promise to quit this game.

Deal.

And goodbye. Are you going to back out on this the moment I'm revealed as Town? Or are you a man of your word?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Archangel

If you're not scum, what do you make of Silverjan and Three? Do you see the possibility that one of them is a roleblocker, and if so, which one? Or is it possible that all 3 of you were town and the roleblocker is hidden?

I'm not sure, but I have said to lynch Silverjan.

I can't wait until my death reveal. I've been Town the whole time!

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Ummmmm, I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that she is a Scum Watcher, which yes I've seen Scum Trackers/Watchers. She hasn't proved anything aside from the fact that there were three people that visited Lulz on N1.

Two people claimed so far.....IDK, How do you know for a fact she's Town. Because she was NKed? But we have 2 Vig's (according to Mahaloth's Role PM claim), and possibly a Scum Kill as well. It's possible Archangel was a Vig kill by the 2nd Vig and not a Scum kill. It's not that far fetched, and when have you ever known me to not think out of the box and come up with crazy ideas. I have no where else to bounce these ideas off of.

I'd like to hear some other thoughts on my Double's question, because that's what lead me to this whole situation I'm trying to resolve.

Umm, you could be right and I have seen scum watcher/trackers, and the thought about doubles is interesting if you have gone where my head has, about double roles? What if Town and there opposite scum had the same role?, I thought of that for 2 seconds and decided the Mod was too clever for that but we did need an equal amount of players so nothing is impossible.
I am still keeping my vote on you for now though.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not sure, but I have said to lynch Silverjan.

I can't wait until my death reveal. I've been Town the whole time!

I feel the same way

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Are double pairs going to be the same alignment? Like, hypothetically, are their two Dean Winchsters, and is it possible that they are both Town? Are they both human? or is one a human and one a monster and are they both Town, are Scum just random within the pairs? Like some pairs have both players be Town, and some are a Town and a Scum?

Does anyone have more insight on this?

Given the usual discrepency between town and scum numbers, and that the mod stated that all players have doubles, I think we have to assume that pairs can be Town/Scum, Town/Town, or Scum/Scum (although I feel the last is unlikely).

That said, I feel like that's a townie question to ask since scum would presumably share their characters and PMs and it would be obvious that they must have some doubles in the town population. (Not necessarily I guess, if there's an even number of scum, but I really really doubt it).

As for leans, right now I don' t have many - I haven't been able to give this game as much attention as I'd like (last exam tomorrow!).

Townish: Archangel, Guiri, Silver Jan, lulz, Dizzy (in that order).
Scummish: Texcat, Toonces, Mahaloth (his last few proclaiming innocence posts feel like sort of scum-having-a-good-time-messing-with-us stuff)

Everyone else is on varying levels of neutral to me.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

SJ my only point was without the reveals it's hard to make sense of what's going on.

So yes in reality everything that Arch has done has been Townsided. I didn't suspect her at all until after death. But there's a nagging piece in the back of my head that it would be a cleaver scum ploy, IF she was Scum and Vig killed at night, put suspicion on everyone that was visiting Lulz N1, and if one of them is her scum buddy then she won't release the name knowing that she can play it off that the last person is the doc, when it really is our hidden scum role blocker.

IDK. It's out there....I get it, but since when is anything scum does really make a whole lot of sense.

[Silver Jan]

Originally Posted by lulz

I shared my TOWN/SCUM reads before anyone. To date most players haven't done the same. You know who's commented on said reads? Archangel, whom I was strongtownreading from day 1 anyway. What is more relevant than explaining who's scum and why? Maybe I should wax philosophical about the set-up since that's what most people want to talk about.

If I was offered recruitment I would not take up the offer, and whomever is a possible recruiter seems to know this because I have not received any recruitment offers to date.

I am so sorry But really, who on Earth do you think you are. Oh gosh, I should not post but that is how II feel.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Silver Jan

I am so sorry But really, who on Earth do you think you are. Oh gosh, I should not post but that is how II feel.

I'm God incarnate. Who are you?

[TexCat]

I thought that was Lightfoot's role.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I thought that was Lightfoot's role.

Nah, we're both God. I'm just better at acting the part. We have the same spirit that's why we're both "special".

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Jan serious question. You claim you are Town... What is your take on player "three"? Should Arch release the name? Are they our role blocker?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's my next question, now that you were blocked a second night in a row.

Was he blocked a second night in a row?

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Here's the thing. I know Archangel was NKed but I have suspicions about her alignment and would like to see her be resolved.

And if I'm right she's hiding the scum role blocker and not the "doc".

But if she´s resolved, the hidden person will stay hidden?

As for the pairs, I can see town/town, town/scum and even scum/scum as possible pairings, especially if it´s all decided by random.org. As for each pair having similar or complementary or similar powers, I hadn´t considered that possibility since we have two Charlies who apparently are not a match.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm God incarnate. Who are you?

As Banisher of the Dead, is this you?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

[QUOTE=guiri;1183062]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

As for the pairs, I can see town/town, town/scum and even scum/scum as possible pairings, especially if it´s all decided by random.org. As for each pair having similar or complementary or similar powers, I hadn´t considered that possibility since we have two Charlies who apparently are not a match.

Yeah the two charlies didn't match, but they are kind of masons and have different names, even thought they are paired.

I don't think all of the roles match exactly with their name pair, but they may be complementary, and/or related in some way. But Mahaloth's PM (if true) indicates that at least some name pairs do have complementary roles.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

/OOG- I'm leaving now for the Holiday weekend. I probably won't be on much at all until Sunday. I'll try to check in but no guarantees!

[SisterCoyote]

Vote count as of Post 95:

Heterometrus swammerdami (3,3): gnarlycharlie (21b), lulz (46a), TexCat (67)

TexCat (2,2): Heterometrus swammerdami (11a), lulz (46d)
Dizzymrslizzy (2,2): lulz (46c), Silver Jan (76)

Lulz (1,2): gnarlycharlie (21a), Dizzymrslizzy (41,55)
gnarlycharlie (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11b)
Raith Kemmler (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11c)
Meeko (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11d)
BillMc (1,1): Heterometrus swammerdami (11e)
Scathach (1,1): lulz (46b)

Hammer (1): Heterometrus swammerdami

With these votes, Hetermoetrus Swammerdami will be lynched.

I had forgotten that this was a Holiday Weekend. If people would prefer to extend the Day to Tuesday, and thereby reset the entire cycle from here on out, I am okay with that but y'all need to let me know.

[lulz]

BTW, Archangel is as close to confirmed town as someone can be without an actual investigation.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by lulz

BTW, Archangel is as close to confirmed town as someone can be without an actual investigation.

This is a mafia cultural problem. There's a meme on these boards called "Scum wouldn't do that", which ironically implies that scum can and will do anything. Which is true, but unfortunately has led to numerous examples of people believing very convoluted possibilities (ie, I'm a scum watcher and was killed by a vig) over the simplest explanation (I'm a town watcher and was NKed). I think we need to get back to examining probabilities.

[TexCat]

I have no preference about extending the day or not.

I do think we should postpone any claims or action with SilverJan or Three until we see the Mahaloth flip.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by lulz

BTW, Archangel is as close to confirmed town as someone can be without an actual investigation.

Again, you are quitting the game if I'm revealed as Town, right?