Greek History Mafia D1

[Scáthach]

because I still think it's weird that they voted idrinkthere4iam for not posting but ignored the fact that I hadn't posted, even after it was pointed out. Possibly only noticed the lack of posting cos they knew they were teammates?

As for the lulz thing - I sort of regret bringing up the last game now, sure vote him if you want but can we not bring up old grudges? Or at least leave it til post game as pizza suggested?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

All I ask for the sake of the game state and my team, whichever it may be, I'm not sure which team it is, I could be guilty this time oh noes, is that we do not dedicate too much time, votes, or discussion on such matters.

Is this comment literal? You don't know which team you're on? Or was it more of an "I'm not claiming a team"?

[lulz]

Warning Rant. Don't open this spoiler if you don't like rants.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Is this comment literal? You don't know which team you're on? Or was it more of an "I'm not claiming a team"?

It's me being my mischievous self.

I am a villager / townie / good guy. That means when I get lynched this game it will be bad for most of the players in the game.

But I shall be entertaining on my way out!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

2) Pizza is really kissing ass

So what if I find rosy cheeks to be cute? You have your hobbies, I have mine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

because I still think it's weird that they voted idrinkthere4iam for not posting but ignored the fact that I hadn't posted, even after it was pointed out. Possibly only noticed the lack of posting cos they knew they were teammates?

^
This type of consistency argument almost always gets put forward by mafia scum. It's right up there with hypocrisy claims.

Scaw hawk, you are guilty as the day is long.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

^
This type of consistency argument almost always gets put forward by mafia scum. It's right up there with hypocrisy claims.

Scaw hawk, you are guilty as the day is long.

It's not about consistency, it's about how he noticed someone wasn't posting. He obviously wasn't checking from the thread postcounts link or he'd have noticed other non posters, so why did he notice idrinkthere4iam?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Lulz (4): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141)
Askthepizzaguy (2): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34), SisterCoyote (99)
Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Double A (32)
Lightfoot (1): Dizzymrslizzy (21)[133], lulz (124)
Scathach (1): Askthepizzaguy (75)[76], Askthepizzaguy (94)
Zeener (1): Meeko (63)
Sooh (0): Zeener Diode (53)[141]
Billmc (0): Askthepizzaguy (35)[71], Askthepizzaguy (76)[94]
Meeko (0): Askthepizzaguy (74)[75]
Zeener Diode (0): lulz (36)[105]
Mahaloth (0): guiri (4)[14]
Sister Coyote (0): Zeener Diode (39)[52]
Guiri (0): Askthepizzaguy (71)[72]
Dizzymrslizzy (0): Askthepizzaguy (73)[74]
Archangel (0): Askthepizzaguy (72)[73]
Sario (0): guiri (14)[41], lulz (105)[124]

We are all over the place toDay

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

It's not about consistency, it's about how he noticed someone wasn't posting. He obviously wasn't checking from the thread postcounts link or he'd have noticed other non posters, so why did he notice idrinkthere4iam?

That seems null to me. Here's why:

abcdefghjklmnopqrstuwxyz

I tend to notice there's an"i"missing, before I notice the "v" is missing.

But, I always notice one letter is missing without simultaneously also noticing the other letter is missing.

That's normal, right?

If I notice a player isn't posting, that doesn't mean I'm also aware of every other person not posting unless I'm specifically checking for it.

Maybe he's mafia here, but what you're talking about doesn't seem to be a tell, it just seems to be how the human mind works, imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, that's not precise.

What you're saying could be a tell, if say Double A were mafia and another inactive player was mafia, or Double A were mafia and he was just picking on someone easy to mislynch.

But, it just feels more likely to me that Double A is a villager and he found one inactive player and picked at it rather than exhaustively checking who all the inactive people were.

So, it could be a tell, but it is more likely to be nothing. It's unsound, would be more precise. It's sort of like a move in chess that would be good if it weren't a blunder, and then it becomes a good move if your opponent doesn't see how it was a blunder.

Unsound reasoning. Maybe you're right but you're more likely to be wrong here, imo.

[LightFoot]

Pizza- in your origional example- yes most people when they notice the first one missing tend to stop looking for any other missing-BUT in a mafia game it is a bit more complex ( and you know that)


if the search was for ' who hasn't posted' you would check all-

And I have to agree with others that using that as an excuse for anything other than a poke vote can be a scum tell

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Pizza- in your origional example- yes most people when they notice the first one missing tend to stop looking for any other missing-BUT in a mafia game it is a bit more complex ( and you know that)

Is it?

if the search was for ' who hasn't posted' you would check all-

Maybe I would, Double A wouldn't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm scummily defending people, it's part of that being more reasonable and diplomatic agenda that scums have.

I am pretty sure I'm scum here. Like, 99*% sure. If I'm a villager I am the scummiest villager ever.

This joke is getting old, pizzaguy. Yeah? Well it amuses me.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm scummily defending people, it's part of that being more reasonable and diplomatic agenda that scums have.

I am pretty sure I'm scum here. Like, 99*% sure. If I'm a villager I am the scummiest villager ever.

This joke is getting old, pizzaguy. Yeah? Well it amuses me.

So you're a Miller?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

So you're a Miller?

In spirit, if not in role.

I shall not fight my scumminess. I am embracing moustache life.

I will focus on accusing scums and not worrying about looking like a mobster wielding a tommy while covered in blood.

The best defense for pizza is none at all.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well, that's not precise.

What you're saying could be a tell, if say Double A were mafia and another inactive player was mafia, or Double A were mafia and he was just picking on someone easy to mislynch.

But, it just feels more likely to me that Double A is a villager and he found one inactive player and picked at it rather than exhaustively checking who all the inactive people were.

So, it could be a tell, but it is more likely to be nothing. It's unsound, would be more precise. It's sort of like a move in chess that would be good if it weren't a blunder, and then it becomes a good move if your opponent doesn't see how it was a blunder.

Unsound reasoning. Maybe you're right but you're more likely to be wrong here, imo.

Well I'm not inactive. I was at the time. But I've been here sense. And stuck around. While I don't see his original vote as Scummy, he's been back since I started posting. And hasn't made a reference to the fact that I'm back, nor changed his vote. I don't find him Scummy either way, but facts are facts.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Is it?

Maybe I would, Double A wouldn't.

And you know this because?...........................

[SisterCoyote]

Hmm.

I'm starting to wonder if Pizza isn't a Jester-type.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Hmm.

I'm starting to wonder if Pizza isn't a Jester-type.

I think that almost every game I am in with him- but I don't think I have ever been in a game with a jester-type. I remember looking it up once but I forget what it entails

[Dizzymrslizzy]

It just entails getting yourself lynched.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

It's me being my mischievous self.

I am a villager / townie / good guy. That means when I get lynched this game it will be bad for most of the players in the game.

But I shall be entertaining on my way out!

If this were a field of presidential hopefuls, Pizza would be Donald Trump.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I think that almost every game I am in with him- but I don't think I have ever been in a game with a jester-type. I remember looking it up once but I forget what it entails

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

It just entails getting yourself lynched.

I highly, highly doubt this role exists in this game. I just don't think any mods think of putting that role in games around here. Can any of you list a giraffeboard, idlemafia, or sdmb game that had it?

[Sooh]

Oki. I find it a bit difficult to read people in this game, but I thought I'd show you what I have so far on each and every one of you.

Mahaloth

#6 says he hadn't read the rules properly as a reaction to guiri's vote. Defensive reaction? #65 Votes lulz for weird vote. #66 theorizes about anonymous message. #69 Theorizes that somebody has an ability to send anonymous messages mid-day. #131 sensitive about lulz's FOS. #142 Justifies his lulz vote. #172 doubts Pizza is a jester.

So far he seems to react defensively to pressure and doesn't have many theories or posts specifically about this game. Definitely someone I would like to see more from and possible mafia.

SisterCoyote

#19 chit-chat. #25 votes Pizza. Joke vote. #49 Follow up on Pizza's joke. Unvotes Pizza. #51 soft defending/explaining for Double A #99 Votes pizza for having voted everyone in the game. #109 Theory about the battery thing. Comment to Lulz's WOT. #122 explains theory about battery thing. #168 Theorizes that Pizza may be a jester.

Also not much game related content except theories about setup. Also someone I could potentially see as mafia.

Zeener Diode

#39 Votes Sister Coyote for having voted Pizza first. Joke. #52 unvotes Sister Coyote, votes DoubleA because every new player deserves a vote. #53 Unvotes DoubleA Votes Sooh. Same reason as in 52. #70 Doesn't understand the mechanic of a role allowed to send a message through mod. #90 Asks me what I think of Pizza's vote/unvotes since I thought he was trying to gauge reactions. The rest fluff. #91 vote count information. #92 Fluff for Pizza. #140 agrees with Pizza about not policy voting lulz or letting stuff from other games come into play here. #141 votes lulz for not explaining enough his votes. #143 understands why Mahaloth keeps his vote on lulz. #164 joke?meta? #171 joke ewww

Seems to be trying to solve the game. Asks some good questions and has an understandable thought process to me.

Lightfoot

#9 thinks Guiri is out of character. #10 technical question. #13 time conversion. #40 Response to Guiri. Theorizes over game setup. Thinks scum can sort out other scum. #46 More theorizing over game setup. #58 Votes lulz and agrees with Guiri about reason. #59 Quotes vote robot. #61 Theorizes over game setup again. Makes a good point about scum making vote a tie in order to receive no lynch. Talking about anonymous message. #62 More on message. #67 mentions that the game has two players with battery-related names in regards to anonymous message. #68 EBWOP of 67. #106 Agrees that Lulz's play isn't pro-town. #107 In reference to lulz's WOT? #110 Null post back to Coyote and Lulz. #135 Responds to Lulz accusation that his questioning Guiri was scummy. #148 offended that Zeener calls some votes on lulz petty. #158 vote count post. #161 Argues back with Pizza about not noticing inactive players. #267 Back to Pizza.#169 response to Coyote. Thinks that Pizza is jester-ish in all games.

High content player. Discusses with other people and agrees with other people. Doesn't bring much new about players up himself. I'm unsure how I feel about him.

Guiri

#4 welcoming new players. Voting Mahaloth because of something in the sign up thread. Joke vote? #14 still focusing on getting to know new players. Unvotes Mahaloth. Telling Double A how to vote. Responds to questioning from Lightfoot (neutral). Votes Sario for no apparent reason. Theorizes over game setup. #41 Responds to several in a light tone. Votes lulz for placing a vote with no other comment. More theorizing over game setup. #45Response to Pizza's joke. #77 Responds to Pizza. Wants to interact. #79 Responds to a bunch of people. Not much content wise. Comment to Sario interesting. Why isn't Sario voting Lulz if he agrees with Guiri that Lulz is suspicious? Has good answer in 85. #111 unvotes lulz for comments made about this being his play style. Says he had forgotten that this is how he played last time. #112 Meta on Guiri/Meeko. Not interesting. #113 Back to the lulz vote and how he still has issues with lulz. #114 Agreed completely. #115 Doesn't understand Coyote's theory. #116 fluff #117 fluff.

Also high content. Seems to have a light, unconcerned tone. Good observations.

Sario

#2 neutral #12 time conversion #18 says it's his third game of mafia. #33 Comment to Pizza. Chit-chat. #56 Doesn't agree with Archangel's justification of the DoubleA vote. Agrees with Guiri's vote on lulz. #64 quotes anonymous message. No relevant comment. #85 good answer to question by guiri. #119 fluff #123 Asks lulz to explain his votes.

Not too high content yet, but I liked his response to Guiri. I also like that he asked lulz to explain his votes. Indicates solving to me. Not sure what to make of him, but probably not in my POE today unless something drastic happens.

Archangel

#37 Votes DoubleA for trying to justify his votes. #50 Good post on why he voted DoubleA. Seems to be trying to solve. #152 wonders if Pizza is serious about not knowing which team he's on.

Very low content. Had a good reason for his vote, but I need more.

Dizzy

#21 Joke vote lightfoot. #24 Greets Pizza #132 talks about never playing with lulz again. #133 votes lulz for not being nice. #134 Fluff to me. #149 admits vote on lulz is petty. Talks about RL things. #150 Talks to Pizza about lulz being a game thrower. #170 explains what a jester is.

Low content. Nothing stands out as particularly solving.

Meeko

#15 chit-chat #63 Quotes Zeener who votes new players. Votes Zeener because of having not voted him before. #108 joke post to Lulz's WOT. #127 Explains «vote charging» #129 more talk about the battery-thing. #130 fluff for Lulz.

Same as Dizzy. Low content. Not solving.

BillMc

#17 discusses game flavor. #34 Votes Pizza (persumably joke).

Inactive since early on.

Askthepizzaguy

#20 humor. Soft mafia claim. Null. #22 Another humor post. Soft mafia claim again. Null. #23 taunting BillMc. #26 humor. #27 Humor #29 Soft mafia claim. Humor Null. #31 humor. #35 Votes BillMc in return for his vote. Joke? #42 joke. #43 vows to lynch everyone he votes D1. Joke. #44 Continued from 43. Response to Guiri's response to jokes. #71 Votes Guiri. #72 Votes Archangel #73 Votes Dizzy. #74 Votes Meeko #75 Votes Scathach #76 Re-votes BillMc. #78 Jokes back with Guiri. #80 Follow up on what Guiri says about Zeener. Joke. #86 Jokes about Sario #87 Jokes about DoubleA #89 Fluff. #94 Votes Scathach #96 Fluff. #136 Responds to vote from Coyote. Tongue in cheek.#137 denies that him voting several people unlocks powers. #138 Asks people not to lynch lulz as a policy lynch because he's not being nice. Referencing his jokes throughout the game. Saying people are voting for him for shaky reasons. Suspects one or several of them are mafia looking for an easy target. Pizza is not mafia based on this post. #139 Says he has read lulz's posts. Doesn't think they are bad. #144 still saying the lulz case shouldn't be discussed in game. #145 null #146 null #147 null #154 says he's town. #155 Funny. #156 Says Scathach's comment about not being voted for not having posts is an argument often posted by mafia. #159 Posts to Scathach that he doesn't think his argument that DoubleA is inconistent is very compelling. #160 Continued 159. #162 Response Lightfoot. #163 joke. #165 joke?

I have liked a lot of his posts from #137 onwards. I can still read him both ways, but I did promise myself I wouldn't tinfoil on him D1 like I said earlier, so for that reason he's not in my POE. Deliberately confusing!

idrinkthere4iam

#54 entering the game #55 Quotes Lulz. Rollover from previous game? #101 Reiterates what Scathach has said about lulz's behavior in a previous game. #103 notices that Scathach has already talked about lulz's behavior. #118 fluff #166 notes that DoubleA hasn't changed his vote on him. Doesn't lean either way on DoubleA.

Has talked about two people in the game, lulz and Double A. Nothing that seems to be particularly solving except the information about lulz's meta.

Scathach

#48 Entering the game. #93 wonders why one person was singled out as lurker when he himself hadn't posted yet in the same. Says lulz did the same last game when he was town. #100 talks about his information about lulz saying the people voting him now are the same who were in the last game. #151 Votes DoubleA because he voted idrink. #157 Says DoubleA wasn't being consistent when he noticed one person not posting, but not another one.

Points out about Double A that he voted one inactive when there were still several in the game. Gives information about lulz's meta. Other than that not much in terms of solving.

Double A

#8 assuming joke vote Pizza. #32 Chit-chat. Votes Idrinkthere4iam for not posting. #38 response to vote from Archangel. Jokingly. #57 Fluff.#84 Doesn't think Lulz dropping off a vote is scummy on D1. #88 fluff #95 Fluff for Pizza #103 Says Pizza is Pizza in response to Coyote. Agrees with me that a vote with no explanation is not town productive.

Low content. Nothing particularly solving.

lulz

#36 Comes from nowhere with a vote on Zeener Diode. #105 WOT with horse stuff. Changes vote to Sario #120 trying to say in pictures he thinks Sario is mafia. #121 using actual words presenting actual content. #124 Theories, FOS on one of Guiri, lightfoot, mahaloth. Makes a case on Lightfoot and places a vote there. #128 LOA until Aug. 3rd. #153 Fluff

Does present a case on Lightfoot. Other than that, no solving. I'm comfortable letting him live to D2 though to hear more.


I really do need help though. End of day is tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, and I have far too many suspects to choose from. I wish some of you who know the others better could make some cases or point out things that are questionable, just so I can get a better idea. Other wise I don't think I'll be of much help for you today.

[Archangel]

I'm low content because I don't think there's much to comment on yet (and because I'm mostly reading from an iPhone at a new job).

My thoughts so far:

There's something in guiri's tone that's pinging me a bit but I can't articulate it so I'm not acting on it yet.

I don't think lulz is scum (I was in the aforementioned game and he seems to be acting the same way he did then, including the drive-by votes)

I think Pizza is being Pizza.

No one else is acting out of character as far as I can tell.

Btw, I'm a she.

[Archangel]

Oh, and the batteries not included thing-- I doubt there would be a red herring that interrupts the middle of the day. It must have some significance. (I could be wrong because I did play a game that regularly dealt out messages like that, and it turned out they were red herrings from scum for distraction.)

Visorslash, is there recruitment in this game?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Sooh

Oki. I find it a bit difficult to read people in this game, but I thought I'd show you what I have so far on each and every one of you.

Mahaloth
So far he seems to react defensively to pressure and doesn't have many theories or posts specifically about this game. Definitely someone I would like to see more from and possible mafia.

SisterCoyote
Also not much game related content except theories about setup. Also someone I could potentially see as mafia.

Zeener Diode
Seems to be trying to solve the game. Asks some good questions and has an understandable thought process to me.

Lightfoot
High content player. Discusses with other people and agrees with other people. Doesn't bring much new about players up himself. I'm unsure how I feel about him.

Guiri
Also high content. Seems to have a light, unconcerned tone. Good observations.

Sario
Not too high content yet, but I liked his response to Guiri. I also like that he asked lulz to explain his votes. Indicates solving to me. Not sure what to make of him, but probably not in my POE today unless something drastic happens.

Archangel
Very low content. Had a good reason for his vote, but I need more.

Dizzy
Low content. Nothing stands out as particularly solving.

Meeko
Same as Dizzy. Low content. Not solving.

BillMc
Inactive since early on.

Askthepizzaguy
I have liked a lot of his posts from #137 onwards. I can still read him both ways, but I did promise myself I wouldn't tinfoil on him D1 like I said earlier, so for that reason he's not in my POE. Deliberately confusing!

idrinkthere4iam
Has talked about two people in the game, lulz and Double A. Nothing that seems to be particularly solving except the information about lulz's meta.

Scathach
Points out about Double A that he voted one inactive when there were still several in the game. Gives information about lulz's meta. Other than that not much in terms of solving.

Double A
Low content. Nothing particularly solving.

lulz
Does present a case on Lightfoot. Other than that, no solving. I'm comfortable letting him live to D2 though to hear more.


I really do need help though. End of day is tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, and I have far too many suspects to choose from. I wish some of you who know the others better could make some cases or point out things that are questionable, just so I can get a better idea. Other wise I don't think I'll be of much help for you today.

What would "solving" on Day 1 look like?

How could one "solve" on day one, unless they had perfect information?

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Meeko

What would "solving" on Day 1 look like?

How could one "solve" on day one, unless they had perfect information?

Maybe not solving, but casing and theorizing. I don't know. New forum for me, all new players, so I'm feeling kind of lost at the moment. Only thing I have to go on is what you all put in the thread.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Sooh

Maybe not solving, but casing and theorizing. I don't know. New forum for me, all new players, so I'm feeling kind of lost at the moment. Only thing I have to go on is what you all put in the thread.

Which is exactly what we should be doing, instead of letting old grudges get in the way of evaluating a player's alignment.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

because I still think it's weird that they voted idrinkthere4iam for not posting but ignored the fact that I hadn't posted, even after it was pointed out. Possibly only noticed the lack of posting cos they knew they were teammates?

Pretty sure you posted on the first page, and pretty sure that posting counts as posting.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

It's not about consistency, it's about how he noticed someone wasn't posting. He obviously wasn't checking from the thread postcounts link or he'd have noticed other non posters, so why did he notice idrinkthere4iam?

Because I don't believe in voting for every inactive person like Pizza, I only checked the OP, and he has a very silly name.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm scummily defending people, it's part of that being more reasonable and diplomatic agenda that scums have.

I am pretty sure I'm scum here. Like, 99*% sure. If I'm a villager I am the scummiest villager ever.

This joke is getting old, pizzaguy. Yeah? Well it amuses me.

Come on Pizza, we all know you're third party in spirit every game. There are three sides to every mafia game, and one of them is Pizzaguy.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

And you know this because?...........................

I honestly don't know. Maybe he picked up on it sometime between now and 2009 when we started playing mafia together.

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Hmm.

I'm starting to wonder if Pizza isn't a Jester-type.

Visor's too good a man to put a jester into one of his games. Pizza is incredibly hard to get a read on before the evidence piles up against him, and even then he's still got at least a third of the town on his side.

Originally Posted by Archangel

Oh, and the batteries not included thing-- I doubt there would be a red herring that interrupts the middle of the day. It must have some significance. (I could be wrong because I did play a game that regularly dealt out messages like that, and it turned out they were red herrings from scum for distraction.)

I've seen this kinda thing before, but it usually pops up at the beginning of a day. I don't know why it's showing up in the middle of D1, though. At the very least, it's always been at the start or end of a phase. Usually it's just some (otherwise vanilla) townie's ability.

I like to call it the bully pulpit.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

3). I am still waiting for an apology for lulz's rudeness
4). I'm in a shitty mood and going through a lot of angst right now. And I'd rather hold a grudge on this POS than someone in real life.

oh god the irony it hurts

[lulz]

unvote: lightfoot

vote:zeener diode

This guy's scum.
1. I naked voted Zeener as I always do in all games.

2. Then three completely gross votes accumulate. {guiri, lightfoot, mahaloth}
One of these is scum who think I'm onto something when in reality it's just RVS. Don't know who but it's the least likely to be guiri.

3. I explain the sario vote in 123 and, here's the important part...PLACE IN BOLD AND GIANT TEXT THAT I'M VLA until mondy.

4. Zeener then places a vote on me in 141 saying that I should explain the Sario vote. What? You mean do the thing I already did in 123? Most importantly Zeener then proceeds to continue posting only barely relevant things, or not relevant things...
143,164 {which is also rolefishing}, 171, 178

Notice how activity seems to have completely dropped off as well. It's like this game day has stalled all of a sudden. Scum came to zeener's aid but then just vote parked.

It's not hard to see my wagon is a bad wagon, as it was the first time around.

Scum is...
Zeener
one of {guiri, lightfoot, mahaloth}
ATPG is pinging for me. I can only say I know he's capable of generating a good discussion if he wants to. I don't know if it's because he doesn't feel like it, or this isn't the time or place.

Double A is never getting lynched without an investigation guilty. I will chainsaw defend him all day every day. That means he's town.

[Sooh]

lulz, I can't see where you're explaining your Sario vote, except where you're saying his frustration sounds fake after the fact that you voted him. Also that's post #121

Originally Posted by lulz

That's shorthand for Sario's frustration being fake. No reason to be frustrated based on the game state.

Not entirely sure why non-relevant posts is Zeener's scum tell. As far as I know by having gone through everyone's posts and tried to analyze them there are worse offenders of this here.

It's not a very solid case in my opinion, but it is a case and it is D1.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Sooh

lulz, I can't see where you're explaining your Sario vote, except where you're saying his frustration sounds fake after the fact that you voted him. Also that's post #121

Not entirely sure why non-relevant posts is Zeener's scum tell. As far as I know by having gone through everyone's posts and tried to analyze them there are worse offenders of this here.

It's not a very solid case in my opinion, but it is a case and it is D1.

Originally Posted by lulz

Guiri's point was a fine enough one.

[Sooh]

So basically you were voting Sario for not voting you even though he said your single vote post was suspicious?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Sooh

So basically you were voting Sario for not voting you even though he said your single vote post was suspicious?

Yep.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by lulz

ATPG is pinging for me. I can only say I know he's capable of generating a good discussion if he wants to. I don't know if it's because he doesn't feel like it, or this isn't the time or place.

Would be a bit forced this early.

What I did do is challenge people's assumptions, ask people to stay focused and not get personal, and stir the pot as much as I can.

If you're the same person from MTG then you know my day ones aren't too terribly deep. I'm more about getting the ball rolling and generating things for others to discuss and take positions on, rather than doing much analysis myself or discussing with great depth personally.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Hmm.

I'm starting to wonder if Pizza isn't a Jester-type.

Well, you'd be right, Pizza isn't a Jester type or a Jester or a Joker or any of those get yourself lynched roles.

I think you're reaching a bit. But hey, if you want to believe I'm a Jester so you lynch other people, by all means.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Well I'm not inactive. I was at the time. But I've been here sense. And stuck around. While I don't see his original vote as Scummy, he's been back since I started posting. And hasn't made a reference to the fact that I'm back, nor changed his vote. I don't find him Scummy either way, but facts are facts.

You might be expecting too much from Double A.

I doubt he's going to make a serious attempt at voting for scum other than a more or less random vote today.

I would twist his balls about such matters later on. Right now would be barking up the silly tree.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lulz looks pretty villagery at the moment.

I can't say he's being very accurate, but I can't say he isn't being very accurate other than about myself. I won't ask him to stop what he's doing, maybe he's onto something.

I have no opinion on Zeener yet, and it's entirely possible scums are voting for lulz.

I dunno I think villagers are more about removing players they consider trouble, I think scums would let the tension between the villagers grow by itself, to exploit it later on, to look more patient and reasonable than the villagers who aren't getting along, and to look like they are more solving and game focused than you are.

Generally speaking their objective is to look like better villagers than you.

And stuff like this makes it easy.

So, I would suspect my behavior attracted more scums than lulz, and I also feel like they're cautious and staying out of it besides a comment or two.

Also anyone who looks very reasonable and whose tone is middle of the road is more likely scum than villager.

Villagers are going to be the ones being irrational, unreasonable, demanding, and voting for the wrong people right now.

Except me, of course. I already located a scumbag.

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well, you'd be right, Pizza isn't a Jester type or a Jester or a Joker or any of those get yourself lynched roles.

I think you're reaching a bit. But hey, if you want to believe I'm a Jester so you lynch other people, by all means.

You'll note I haven't moved my vote.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by lulz

Yep.

It's like a game within a game, u-solve-it mystery voting!

Lulz, what is RVS? Random vote system?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

You'll note I haven't moved my vote.

Yeah, and I've already noted that I don't think you have any legitimate reason to suspect me. Your vote on me looks pretty bad, to be frank.

And this is coming from a guy who is used to getting voted out of paranoia.

I don't get that vibe from you at all. And I don't think you're particularly villagery.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Oh, and the batteries not included thing-- I doubt there would be a red herring that interrupts the middle of the day. It must have some significance. (I could be wrong because I did play a game that regularly dealt out messages like that, and it turned out they were red herrings from scum for distraction)

FWIW I did ask the mod to post an anonymous message, nothing came of it.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Double A

Pretty sure you posted on the first page, and pretty sure that posting counts as posting.

Almost. So, you voted Drinkie in #32 for not posting. Scathach finds it curious that you didn't mention her inactivity and your defence is that she posted on page 1? But that was post #48, how can you use that as a reason for not voting her?

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Yeah, and I've already noted that I don't think you have any legitimate reason to suspect me. Your vote on me looks pretty bad, to be frank.

And this is coming from a guy who is used to getting voted out of paranoia.

I don't get that vibe from you at all. And I don't think you're particularly villagery.

I'm probably not behaving that way; we got news that our male dog is dying and I'm having a little trouble getting my head in the game.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

FWIW I did ask the mod to post an anonymous message, nothing came of it.

Why did you ask this?

[guiri]

Zeener suggested that there was nothing special about the anonymous message, that anyone could send a PM to the moderator and post a message. I pointed out how that was not usual, that a message being posted by the moderator in the thread was likely a power but, just in case, said I'd try anyway... Nothing more.

Can someone post a vote count? Am I right that there are just 2 hours left in the Day?

[guiri]

That explanation was clearly a lie, what's he hiding?

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You might be expecting too much from Double A.

I doubt he's going to make a serious attempt at voting for scum other than a more or less random vote today.

I would twist his balls about such matters later on. Right now would be barking up the silly tree.

pizza hold me why are all these people so serious on day 1

Originally Posted by guiri

That explanation was clearly a lie, what's he hiding?

a complete lack of fucks

[guiri]

Fair enough.

[Zeener Diode]

Lulz (4): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), Dizzymrslizzy (133), Zeener Diode (141)
Double A (3): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)
Askthepizzaguy (2): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34), SisterCoyote (99)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Double A (32)
Scathach (1): Askthepizzaguy (75)[76], Askthepizzaguy (94)
Zeener Diode (2):lulz (36)[105], Meeko (63), lulz (180)
Sooh (0): Zeener Diode (53)[141]
Billmc (0): Askthepizzaguy (35)[71], Askthepizzaguy (76)[94]
Meeko (0): Askthepizzaguy (74)[75]
Lightfoot (0): Dizzymrslizzy (21)[133], lulz (124)[180]
Mahaloth (0): guiri (4)[14]
Sister Coyote (0): Zeener Diode (39)[52]
Guiri (0): Askthepizzaguy (71)[72]
Dizzymrslizzy (0): Askthepizzaguy (73)[74]
Archangel (0): Askthepizzaguy (72)[73]
Sario (0): guiri (14)[41], lulz (105)[124]