Greek History Mafia D2

[SisterCoyote]

lulz:

Will you please explain to me, as though I were a very slow child, why lightfoot's lack of response to your point 4 is a scum tell? Because, right now, I'm not seeing it. Or, rather, if it's something else?

Also, I didn't know what V/LA is, either; it's not an abbreviation we've used on this board before.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

lulz:

Will you please explain to me, as though I were a very slow child, why lightfoot's lack of response to your point 4 is a scum tell? Because, right now, I'm not seeing it. Or, rather, if it's something else?

Also, I didn't know what V/LA is, either; it's not an abbreviation we've used on this board before.

Of the four points presented the fourth one is the most important. Lightfoot somehow misses that to focus on...

1.Trying to get bogged down on the definition of rolefishing near the end of day
2.Another instance of trying to get bogged down when "I disagree" is ultimately going to be the end result
3. Defining V/LA.

I will point out though that ignoring point 4 was not the only slip. Lightfoot has been bringing up the fact that I've "dodged" her statements but completely ignores several things that should be important...

1) Once again I was on V/LA. Even after I explained V/LA and announced that I was being selective so I can't respond to everything. Since then I had forgotten the comment existed

2) She immediately accuses of dodging instead of taking into account maybe I hadn't seen them. Yes in this instance I was actually ignoring the comments (because of V/LA) but why is Lightfoot jumping to that conclusion first instead of considering that maybe I just didn't see it? However on this I will give leeway. It appears that jumping to conclusions without considering other perspectives is actually the norm here.

3) The comment is so innocuous that several other players couldn't even find it. This is why I was directly asking other players to comment on it. Because I literally had no clue what Lightfoot was talking about and none of the other respondents did either.

[LightFoot]

lulz nice read on my previous comment
BTW we know now that zeener was not Scum and as Double A pointed out your name and description does not a claim make

[LightFoot]

I see you have posted more- good on you- I didn't comment on point 4 because it was not my circus and I had no reason to assume what you were alluding to-

You vote me every Day but you are not paying attention to all of my posts? curious

reread my comment in the Night thread- I didn't say dodging- I commented on your selective responses ( which you have justified the reality of in your comment above- )

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

You wish. Stop hitting on me.

Hey, you were the one that turned Me on.















You know, to mafia in the first place. (6 years ago now. Where does the time go?!)

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by lulz

Of the four points presented the fourth one is the most important. Lightfoot somehow misses that to focus on...

1.Trying to get bogged down on the definition of rolefishing near the end of day
2.Another instance of trying to get bogged down when "I disagree" is ultimately going to be the end result
3. Defining V/LA.

I will point out though that ignoring point 4 was not the only slip. Lightfoot has been bringing up the fact that I've "dodged" her statements but completely ignores several things that should be important...

1) Once again I was on V/LA. Even after I explained V/LA and announced that I was being selective so I can't respond to everything. Since then I had forgotten the comment existed

2) She immediately accuses of dodging instead of taking into account maybe I hadn't seen them. Yes in this instance I was actually ignoring the comments (because of V/LA) but why is Lightfoot jumping to that conclusion first instead of considering that maybe I just didn't see it? However on this I will give leeway. It appears that jumping to conclusions without considering other perspectives is actually the norm here.

3) The comment is so innocuous that several other players couldn't even find it. This is why I was directly asking other players to comment on it. Because I literally had no clue what Lightfoot was talking about and none of the other respondents did either.

You know honestly I'm not really reading you in depth right now. So I wouldn't blame lightfoot, but you HAVE said in the past that you purposely ignore players that you don't respect. So I don't understand why you are harping on her.

You are being inconsistent, why aren't you attacking me as well?

I haven't read any of the above as scummy actions via Lightfoot.

[lulz]

@SisterCoyote

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Of the three people you name, I'm not currently getting a strong scum read off of any. However, if I had to list, from most to least...

Lightfoot (who I almost always think is Scum until I don't)
Mahaloth (ditto)
guiri (I'm not getting a scum read from him this game.)

S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Double A (3): Zeener Diode (10), idrinkthere4iam (18), guiri (67)
Lulz (3): SisterCoyote (25)[73], Dizzymrslizzy (35), LightFoot (38), Mahaloth (39)
Sooh (1): Meeko (44)
Meeko (1): Sooh (52)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Archangel (34)
Lightfoot (1): lulz (45)[63], lulz (100)
Sario (1): Archangel (33)[34], Askthepizzaguy (81)
Soon (0): Meeko (43)[44]
Scathach (0): Askthepizzaguy (26)[81]

And we have the same lovely little tie from yesterDay- who will be the sacrifice this Day?

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

And we have the same lovely little tie from yesterDay- who will be the sacrifice this Day?

I thought I'd already voted for some reason -

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[LightFoot]

OOps dead guys can't vote so it is NOW tied (I wager)

[SisterCoyote]

I'm comfortable



For the time being. I may change my mind again.

[Archangel]

I'm causing a tie but I don't want a no-lynch-- hopefully this will force other people to get off the fence. DoubleA has been suspicious to me since Day One, but the bandwagon on him feels suspiciously like yesterday.

[lulz]

If we could lynch lightfoot that would be great. Double A is town.

[Scáthach]

Yeah Zeener if you're still watching can you just come in and post unvote all so the vote counting robot isn't confused?

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[guiri]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Unless I'm mistaken Sario did not post thoughts on players, but just posted some confusion and a few questions. His posts strike me as trying to look like participating without really participating, whereas Sooh posted her thoughts on all players, even if she didn't commit. I'm second-guessing myself on Sario though because I don't think scum would stick their neck out by totally avoiding voting.

Again, my bad, Playing exclusively on a small screen does not help accuracy. I see Sooh posted her thoughts on other players twice, but misremembered one of those being Sario and the other Sooh.

Originally Posted by Sooh

I'll ask again, because the only one who bothered responding last time I asked was Pizza.

How does everyone feel about Mahaloth?

I regularly voted for Mahaloth for talking color/strategy but not scum-hunting, for saying how lost he is and how hard it is to find scum, for being overly apologetic, and for being quick to respond when called out but quiet otherwise, with a diminishing success rate, either he's incorporated those scum tells into his Town game or I was just really lucky for a stretch. Now I need something else to make me vote him, a slip, distancing or snuggling, PIS, etc.

Originally Posted by Double A

Oh, you mean his debate-provoking vote? How was that even scummy in the first place? It seemed pretty smart to me.

My issue is that the vote was his entire contribution to the game, when I voted he'd made no commentary whatsoever on previous posters, the game setup, anything, just a naked vote that, given the other joke votes, looked like an easy way to blend in, contribute, throw a vote just in case, without actually saying anything.

Originally Posted by Double A

do I win

And you're not voting any of us because?

Originally Posted by lulz

If we could lynch lightfoot that would be great. Double A is town.

Is this a claim, or a Pizza-style declaration of innocence?

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Yeah Zeener if you're still watching can you just come in and post unvote all so the vote counting robot isn't confused?

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[Double A]

Originally Posted by guiri

And you're not voting any of us because?

Cause I make terrible arguments at 11pm, and there were like two more days for me to say sort out my thoughts. On that note, I'm way less sure you're scum at this point. I think I was skimming and misinterpreting your arguments. They seem a lot more logically consistent now that I'm not tired and angry at card games.

Anyway. I just analyzed the hell out of LightFoot and I honestly can't find anything glaring from D1, aside from her inquisition of Lulz and me for all the wrong reasons. She just seemed really off to me all day. Someone else pointed out that they always think she's scum, so I guess that's why I'm so doubtful of my own gut. Also, I don't think the mafia would really want to lynch Lulz because he's doing such a good job distracting everyone. Still don't like how she's trying to get him lynched, though.

At this point, I do have to agree with Pizza's N1 analysis on Scathach after I actually went back and looked at her posts like I probably shoulda done in the first place. Her arguments on me just seem so pedantic. They focus in on one detail (how I went back on my joke vote reason) and just don't let go. It's a super easy argument to make look credible, just say I look sketchy and keep on pressing. I especially like how she's ignored me ever since I said my Drinky vote was a joke, and overexplained everything about it.

[lulz]

Does anyone know where I can get some refurbished and used catheters? I'm thinking about starting a discount blood bank and I'd like to start saving money now before things get started.

[lulz]

No new posts in 12 hours despite the slew of people logging in suggests both people getting run up are town.

When are we lynching lightfoot?

sistercoyote
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meeko
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archangel
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guiri
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double a
Last Activity: Today 02:09 AM

sooh
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[SisterCoyote]

I'm in the middle of GiShWHes, sorry, my evening time is kind of tied up at the moment (sometimes literally).

I am good with my vote where it is.

Also, I will be V/LA (I *like* this acronym now that I know what it means) this weekend and won't be able to log in until Monday some time.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Double A

At this point, I do have to agree with Pizza's N1 analysis on Scathach after I actually went back and looked at her posts like I probably shoulda done in the first place. Her arguments on me just seem so pedantic. They focus in on one detail (how I went back on my joke vote reason) and just don't let go. It's a super easy argument to make look credible, just say I look sketchy and keep on pressing. I especially like how she's ignored me ever since I said my Drinky vote was a joke, and overexplained everything about it.

This post feels sincere but how does the above make Scathach suspicious while my arguments, which I consider equivalent, are logically consistent?

Originally Posted by lulz

No new posts in 12 hours despite the slew of people logging in suggests both people getting run up are town.

When are we lynching lightfoot?

I'm not sure how useful last activity is as an indicator of paying attention to this game and multiple players are in invisible mode, but I figure your case on Lightfoot is more than being online but not posting, right? Will go back and re-read since I'm not getting the significance of the all-important fourth bullet point.

[guiri]

Day 1
#36 lulz votes Zeener
#58 Lightfoot votes lulz, jokes votes are fine but no interaction is bad form
#101 Drinkie mentions lulz did this before
#105 lulz talks horses
<<<#106 Lightfoot says lulz' play is bad for town, independent of alignment>>> so a punishment vote, not a vote to lynch scum, similar logic is used later by Maha and Dizzy
#124 lulz explains Zeener and Sario votes, comments on his voters, votes Lightfoot for inconsistency in logic, didn't vote me for being out of character but voted lulz for being in-character
#135 Lightfoot didn't find my actions scummy, doesn't know lulz enough to know when he's in-character
#180 lulz votes Zeener, basically for ignoring his reasons given
#208 lulz replies to Zeener with 4 bullet points
#220 Lightfoot comments on 3 of lulz' points
Night 1
#32 Lightfoot comments on the pizza-lulz-double A mutual championing and how they look scummy
#42 lulz picks up on lightfoot's claim that lulz picks and chooses what he wants to respond to, asks Sooh, as an impartial observer?, for an example
#43 Lightfoot replies, jokey comment about lulz' imaginary friends, and then states that she was expecting some sort of response to her comments on his comments in #220
Day 2
#38 Lightfoot still finds lulz scummy, his vote on Zeener, the EoD votes, and now his lack of participation
#45 lulz votes Lightfoot, no commentary needed
#48 Lightfoot asks for a reason for the vote
#63 lulz sheeps Pizza's vote on Scathach
#88 Lightfoot revisits EoD, still finds Pizza, lulz and Double A scummy
#94 lulz asks Scathach if she doesn't find Lightfoot scummy for accusing him of dodging while others have said he's not
#96 Lightfoot points Scathach to her post N1#43 where she said lulz hadn't replied to her comments, and comments that this is the second time lulz asks someone else about her
#97 lulz asks her to be more specific about what she's waiting for
#98 Lightfoot reminds him, no big deal (?), thought he wanted to discuss
#100 lulz quotes Lightfoot's comments and revotes her
<<<#101 SisC asks why not commenting on point 4 a scum tell >>> where's this from? When did lulz say the issue was her lack of comment on point 4?
#102 Lulz explains why point 4 was important

- I hate Lightfoot's (and Dizzy and Maha's) initial vote from a game pov
- I think she had and still has unreasonable expectations from lulz
- I don't see how not replying to point 4 became an issue, did I miss a post?
- lulz comes out clean from this, Lightfoot not so much but mainly for tunneling

[LightFoot]

blanket statement- when my laptop is on the Mafia tab is open-signed in- other players have stated the same in the past. so the activity investigation technique is moot.



by using that as a tool you make yourself look Scummy


guiri some of your 'takes' on my comments are off base- but you see things the way you see them-( most of the time you are rather accurate) I am not tunneling- ( if we share the same definition) I have not, however, seen anything to make me think that lulz is not Scum

Double A may also be Scum but they have an edge over lulz to me.

[Sooh]

I don't know how much people are interested in me posting any more of my analysis of every post of every player, or if you just prefer I tell you what I see? If it helps anyone to see what everyone has posted with a short description I'd be happy to share it with you, but if it's not interesting I won't :P

I feel most strongly about Lulz and Pizza as town right now.

Archangel is also one I feel pretty comfortable calling town.

Double A is a difficult read, but I'm getting a town feeling.

I find Guiri's start of D2 almost role fishing with the speculation in post #3 that the no night kill could have been block or protect. Not sure if that's enough for a lean towards scummy yet. Besides that all I see is someone trying to solve this game and taking an active role.

Sario so far is rather scummy to me. There are no reads, no attempts of solving, and just a couple of reads on players.

Mahaloth still looks scummy to me, but I'll wait on clearer signs before voting there, given that I've been informed this looks like normal behavior.

Sister C is somewhat inconsistent today. In post #65 she says that between Guiri, Lightfoot and Mahaloth, Lightfoot is the one most likely to be scum. In #101 she wants to know why Lulz is voting Lightfoot. Asks him what is Lightfoot's scum tell.

Lightfoot has seemed very caught up in game mechanics this game. Was early on speculating about a vote tie causing a no lynch. Seems locked on Pizza/Double A/lulz as mafia. Not really discussing anyone else. There's something I can't put my finger on here that I don't like.

Scathach is hard to get a read on for me. I can't clear her, but I can't really scum read her either. I need to go back and take a look at Pizza's case on her.

Dizzy seems to be tunneling lulz. Only other read seems to be that Lightfoot isn't scummy.

I am not sure what to make of BillMc and Idrinkthere4iam. I don't know them, and they have posted minimally.

Before I go back and read Pizza's case on Scathach I'll place my vote with the person I feel the least comfortable with at the moment (if I can do so without messing up tags).

[SisterCoyote]

I said that of the three, Lightfoot read as Scummiest but that I always think Lightfoot is Scum.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

I said that of the three, Lightfoot read as Scummiest but that I always think Lightfoot is Scum.

So your question to lulz was meant as what?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

I said that of the three, Lightfoot read as Scummiest but that I always think Lightfoot is Scum.

it even cost her a batch of cookies IRL in one game ( they were good)

[LightFoot]

Sooh I have not said much about players other than my top three because I either don't have a good read on them ( like yourself) or I am feeling Townish on them.

Game mechanics D1 are standard fodder while getting to know other players. I find it more productive than posting about horses , catheters,and other non game related bits. YMMV of course.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Sooh I have not said much about players other than my top three because I either don't have a good read on them ( like yourself) or I am feeling Townish on them.

Game mechanics D1 are standard fodder while getting to know other players. I find it more productive than posting about horses , catheters,and other non game related bits. YMMV of course.

Could you expand on your town reads?

[SisterCoyote]

Originally Posted by Sooh

So your question to lulz was meant as what?

A way to confirm or deny my feelings. Her(? her? Lulz?) read wasn't strong enough to convince me.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Sandler.

I haven't seen it either.


When "Ready Player One" gets a release date, let me know.

http://epicstream.com/news/Ready-Pla...Date-Announced

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Game mechanics D1 are standard fodder while getting to know other players. I find it more productive than posting about horses , catheters,and other non game related bits. YMMV of course.

Let's challenge this assertion.

Magic horses poop gold and fart rainbows.

Now let's look at some game mechanics discussion...

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Guiri I was referring to your 'jokes' in post #4 - I assumed they were tongue in cheek.


quoted from Guiri

I didn't read it that way- but I see your point.

from the rules " Private Messages cannot be quoted, they must be paraphrased. "
So I will tread lightly ---- I saw that threats to Town had to be all dead- and didn't think to factor in possible non-Scum threats-


I guess we can let Scum sort that out we (I assume) need to take care of them all anyway.


It is us and them- what ever costume 'they' are wearing.

You see, game mechanics discussion is wasting time and doesn't actually move the game forward. Game mechanics discussion provides everyone with just as much information as discussing magic horses. However while a discussion about magic horses is obviously not productive and nobody would pretend it is such, setup speculation can masquerade as a productive discussion and can be used to pretend to be busy when really you're not doing anything at all.

For example. How has lightfoot's "talking about game mechanics" moved the game forward? Has she used it to push a case or defend anyone? Has she used it to scumhunt? Has she done anything with it at all? No, but she's more than happy to use it as an excuse to make it seem like she's been productive this game when she really hasn't done much of anything at all.

I'm more than happy to stand corrected. If someone can point out how lightfoot has used "game mechanics" to move this game forward then I'd like to see it. Just like how nobody could pinpoint whatever important points it was that I was missing that lightfoot kept talking about, I think nobody will be able to find how lightfoot has used game mechanics to move the game forward.

[Mahaloth]

Huh, that was actually reasonably well thought out and actually explained, lulz. Wish you'd participate like that on a regular basis. I still think you are scum, though.

[Archangel]

I don't agree with his last post because Lightfoot always gets caught up in game mechanics Day One, but the post seems really town motivated.

[Archangel]

for reasons previously stated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or scathach

everyone get on

GET OFF OF DOUBLE A AND GET OFF OF LULZ

DO NOT FORCE ME TO CLAIM

I may not be the cop but we're not lynching either of lulz or double a.

Period.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Make it a tie between lightfoot and scathach in my opinion

Those should be the top 2 lynchees

Don't mess with my village.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Sooh

Follow the curve?

Sorry- I thought I answered this- I was referring to the triad voting in a block yesterDay and swinging the vote late in the Day

Originally Posted by Sooh

Could you expand on your town reads?

dizzy seems Town to me- it might be because they seem to be making the same conclusions as I am
I almost always trust Bill ( until Day 3 anyway )- and he is not pinging me at all this game ( that will hurt me one day)
No one is solid- you know until they are dead-- but that is where I am on Day two

[Askthepizzaguy]

Archangel I feel like giving you a megaphone.

I don't have you as a solid town read right now but, I feel like... the village would still benefit from listening to you or pushing your suspicions more.

[LightFoot]

Well then looks like Pizza has decided that I am to be the lamb this Day- watch who follows him if you will

[Askthepizzaguy]

Certainly not your scum buddies, if you have them.

I'd rather lynch others but people aren't following and you won't and you're not villagery and you're more lynchable imo.

Lulz and double a are my village and they're not dying on my watch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now then. If you want to lend me your vote and help me destroy Scathach, I would consider stalling my call for your head.

But somehow I get the feeling you won't have your arm twisted that way.

Sorry. You gotta go then imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Double A

Cause I make terrible arguments at 11pm, and there were like two more days for me to say sort out my thoughts. On that note, I'm way less sure you're scum at this point. I think I was skimming and misinterpreting your arguments. They seem a lot more logically consistent now that I'm not tired and angry at card games.

Anyway. I just analyzed the hell out of LightFoot and I honestly can't find anything glaring from D1, aside from her inquisition of Lulz and me for all the wrong reasons. She just seemed really off to me all day. Someone else pointed out that they always think she's scum, so I guess that's why I'm so doubtful of my own gut. Also, I don't think the mafia would really want to lynch Lulz because he's doing such a good job distracting everyone. Still don't like how she's trying to get him lynched, though.

At this point, I do have to agree with Pizza's N1 analysis on Scathach after I actually went back and looked at her posts like I probably shoulda done in the first place. Her arguments on me just seem so pedantic. They focus in on one detail (how I went back on my joke vote reason) and just don't let go. It's a super easy argument to make look credible, just say I look sketchy and keep on pressing. I especially like how she's ignored me ever since I said my Drinky vote was a joke, and overexplained everything about it.

I luv you Double A.

Please leave your vote there in case the wagon moves to her.

[Double A]

Well I'm currently in the lead so I might wanna change it eventually.

Anyway, AA <33333333 Pizzaguy 4evr

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

for reasons previously stated.

I have looked him over.

I firmly agree with your position and think you're a villager if he flips scum.

Thank you for pointing here, I wouldn't have noticed due to events elsewhere.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Double A

Well I'm currently in the lead so I might wanna change it eventually.

Anyway, AA <33333333 Pizzaguy 4evr

Double A, listen to me.

Don't move your vote, even if it kills you.

I don't want you to die, but hang with me on this point. I will fully, fully explain my position now if you and only you insist, but I would prefer to leave it be.

Can you help me out on that one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I need you to love this idea, my friend. I want you to show me.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Archangel I feel like giving you a megaphone.

I don't have you as a solid town read right now but, I feel like... the village would still benefit from listening to you or pushing your suspicions more.

clearly my subconscious was telling me to vote for Drinky because it can sense evil

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Double A, listen to me.

Don't move your vote, even if it kills you.

I don't want you to die, but hang with me on this point. I will fully, fully explain my position now if you and only you insist, but I would prefer to leave it be.

Can you help me out on that one.

Pretty sure it bit me in the ass last time I insisted, so go crazy while I set up a tent.

[Double A]

Also I think I know what you're doing for once, so that's cool.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Double A

clearly my subconscious was telling me to vote for Drinky because it can sense evil

Double A,

Would you lynch:

1) Lightfoot
2) Scathach
3) Drink

In that order?

Would you be enthusiastic about that idea

or would you prefer

1) Scathach
2) Drink
3) Lightfoot

I'm not sure where I'd go.