The 2016 Presidential Campaign

[SmartAleq]

Well, will wonders never cease? New emails that weren't turned over to the State Department (after Hillary declared under penalty of perjury that all business related emails had indeed been turned over) that not only violate the ethics agreement she signed prior to becoming SOS but also indicate some pretty blatant "pay for play" demands along with more evidence of mishandling of sensitive documents and indications that Clinton and her staffers were quite aware of the insecurity of her email server. Multiple source links in the article.

[BJMoose]

Waddya expect? We have a government of, by and for the privileged.

[SmartAleq]

Also, I'm getting addicted to Jimmy Dore's YouTube channel.



The next segment in the interview is also pretty good.



I'm also finding myself perplexed by the fact that the "liberals" in the Democratic party are actually hippie punching progressives WAY harder than the staunchest of right wing pundits. Bizarro world!

[SmartAleq]

Also, this is a damned good question. What sense does this "strategy" make--aside from carving out a comfy spot right down the center right middle of things to preserve the corporate oligarchy from "too many" congressional progressives?

[Khampelf]

Trump is a huge black hole, sucking everything to the right of infinity.

[SmartAleq]

Blaming it on Trump ignores the real issues--the GOP could have easily shut him down at any time but they didn't bother, and they could have just ignored his sorry ass and put someone else in at their convention but they didn't bother. He's not even all that rightwing--he supports reproductive rights, he's against NAFTA and TPP, he's irreligious and barely trying to make any attempt to woo evangelicals (but they're slobbering for him nonetheless) and aside from the casual racism he's basically NOTHING like the modern GOP as we know it. Pence is 100% GOP if you want to compare and contrast. Trump is an evil clown, a capering gibbon who keeps trying to give away the possible responsibilities of the presidency should he achieve it and he works almost as hard at alienating moderate Republicans as he does whipping up the batshit wing.

No, you can't blame Trump for this, this current bullshit situation has been brewing in the DNC for years just looking for a way out and Clinton is their savior. SHE is the one shoving that Overton window firmly rightwards as she determinedly courts the moderates in the Republican party and at the same time she's doing more hippie punching of the progressive wing of her ostensible party than Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity could even comprehend. Nope, we're watching a firm grab of that coveted middle slice of the cake and a firm "fuck off, losers" to anyone to the right or left of that middle right stance.

[Khampelf]

Originally Posted by SmartAleq

Blaming it on Trump ignores the real issues--

You are right, of course, but Trump as a black hole would make a hell of political cartoon. I simply can't work up your level of outrage or skill at screed and editorializing.

Arizona is now a potential swing state...



"I expect it will all go as it has been going, that is to say badly." - EoR.


Voting Blue in Arizona is like swimming upstream through sewage.

[AuntiePam]

Originally Posted by Chacoguy

Trump said WHAT!?!

I know! His handler/apologists are saying he was referring to the NRA's lobbying power, but that doesn't wash. HRC gives zero fucks about the NRA.

Nope. "Second amendment folks" are people with guns.

What an idiot. We knew his "reform" wouldn't last.

[BrickaBracka]

http://imgur.com/gallery/fd8N6

[SmartAleq]

Originally Posted by BrickaBracka

http://imgur.com/gallery/fd8N6

[The Devil's Grandmother]

Originally Posted by Chacoguy

Trump said WHAT!?!

Yep. He called for a second-amendment solution for Hillary, or possibly just the judges she appoints as president.
My G-d, if there is anyone sane left in The Animated Circus Peanut's campaign, they needs to get one of those make-your-dog-stop-barking shock collars onto Trump and turn it up to 11. Does he ever think before he speaks?

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by The Devil's Grandmother

The Animated Circus Peanut

Sentient Giant Cheeto

[Clothahump]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

One of the things we can say about Trump for sure is that he is as evil as they get

Really? Howzabout a cite on that?

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by Clothahump

Really? Howzabout a cite on that?

Sure. Watch him speak.

[Flying Saucerian]

I think his plan is that if he's not elected, he's gonna stage a putsch.

[Nonny J. Nonnington III]

Another story about the Clinton Foundation to hasten America's race to the bottom. Some of the comments are worth reading as well; look for David's comment comparing expenses vs. actual charitable contributions. The fact that Charity Navigator can't evaluate them speaks volumes.

[Khampelf]

A quick google of Trump + FBI only brings up yesterday's announcement the FBI had been officially contacted by 'Hillary's people'.

So I guess no one stormed in to arrest the Trumpster, today.

I am disappoint.

[Anacanapuna]

MSN is reporting that the DNC chairman has warned Trump that if he doesn't start taking the campaign more seriously, the GOP will turn its attention away from him and focus on down-ticket races. This might not be good news for Clinton -- could she end up with a much more Republican Congress because the party focused on swing states like (shudder) Colorado?

[BJMoose]

Could be. Also, PAC money that might normally have gone for presidential ads might be spent on congressional races instead.

On the other hand: in the recent Kansas primary about a dozen pro-Brownback legislators lost. To what, I don't know, but there may be hope yet.

[SmartAleq]

Yeah, looks like Kansas is experiencing a massive case of buyer's remorse, to which I say GOOD and also WTF TOOK YOU SO LONG?

[running coach]

Originally Posted by Nonny J. Nonnington III

Another story about the Clinton Foundation to hasten America's race to the bottom. Some of the comments are worth reading as well; look for David's comment comparing expenses vs. actual charitable contributions. The fact that Charity Navigator can't evaluate them speaks volumes.

From Charity Navigator.

Why isn't this organization rated?
We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.

What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?

It simply means that the organization doesn't meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.

[Paul in Qatar]

I just popped over to Ladbroke's, the British betting site.

The are giving Hillary Seven-to-two. (You pay seven, they pay you two.)
Trump is at eleven-to-four

For number of state carried by Trump
Zero is a longshot at Thirty-three-to-One
I like Ten or Fewer at Ten-to-One

I also like Hillary carries popular vote by more than 10% at One-to-Three. That is where you can make some money.

Trump replaced as nominee at Five-to-One, which seems about right. Still I would put down a fiver.

Linky

==ETA==
Johnson is 150 to 1. Let us see the Libertarians put their money down.

[Nonny J. Nonnington III]

Originally Posted by Nonny J. Nonnington III

Another story about the Clinton Foundation to hasten America's race to the bottom. Some of the comments are worth reading as well; look for David's comment comparing expenses vs. actual charitable contributions. The fact that Charity Navigator can't evaluate them speaks volumes.

And...

After disclosing their taxes, we find that:

Of the the $1,042,000 the Clintons gave to charity as listed on their return, $1 million of that went to the Clinton Family Foundation.

No doubt to be then spent by the Clinton Foundation on expenses such as hotels, air fares, dinners, etc. in service to... The Clinton Foundation.

::sigh::

[JackieLikesVariety]

I also like Hillary carries popular vote by more than 10% at One-to-Three. That is where you can make some money.

tell me more

[Anacanapuna]

Originally Posted by BJMoose

Could be. Also, PAC money that might normally have gone for presidential ads might be spent on congressional races instead.

On the other hand: in the recent Kansas primary about a dozen pro-Brownback legislators lost. To what, I don't know, but there may be hope yet.

Lordy, they could have lost to Woodhouse toads and the legislature there would be improved! Stand by, we may be able to welcome you back to civilization in 2017.

[BrickaBracka]

OK So I fully expect reactions of pure disgust, because that's what i'm feeling too...but am I the only person secretly hoping that either or both of the candidates suffers a serious issue that prevents them from continuing?

Like, HRC's doctors come out and say she's unfit to carry on, or Trump has a heart attack or something from drug use...or both...and we have to pick new candidates?

It's not like I want other people to suffer harm...but there's very obviously nothing else that could possibly remove them from the race.

Well...Trump...I kind of do want him to suffer harm. Like, public humiliation type of harm. Have him up on stage doing his cripple impression again and mid-way through he has a stroke for real. I would enjoy watching that. I'm a piece of shit, I know.

[BrickaBracka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBbGkVIiT_M

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

Gary Johnson wants massive cuts in Medicaid and an overturn of Obamacare, so he's lost me there.

Jill Stein won't be on the ballot in my state.

It's a crappy hand to be dealt, I can only bid four no trump.

Gary Johnson supports the TPP so he will never get my vote.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by SmartAleq

Well, will wonders never cease? New emails that weren't turned over to the State Department (after Hillary declared under penalty of perjury that all business related emails had indeed been turned over) that not only violate the ethics agreement she signed prior to becoming SOS but also indicate some pretty blatant "pay for play" demands along with more evidence of mishandling of sensitive documents and indications that Clinton and her staffers were quite aware of the insecurity of her email server. Multiple source links in the article.

My disappointment with the DOJ decision to not prosecute was that the excuse used to justify not prosecuting was weak-sauce. If anyone else not named "Bush or Clinton" had done what she did she'd be under indictment and maybe even convicted. Keep in mind an indictment isn't saying she's guilty, and indictment is saying that this should go to trial.

People have been convicted of doing less and on accident. She's getting off without even being charged for what she did on purpose and lied about it.

[SmartAleq]

Yeah, that whole, "well, we didn't see any INTENT to do something illegal" bullshit is gonna come back to bite 'em in the ass next time a small time robber accidentally shoots the store clerk. They'll try to bring murder charges but what are they gonna do when he says "but I didn't INTEND to kill the guy or even to shoot him, the gun just went off oops so, just like Hillary, you can't pin this on me, copper!" Won't work but it's gonna tie the courts up like a junkies colon if it catches on in the criminal set--some Saul Goodman is gonna run with this, you just know it.

[BrickaBracka]

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Huh. That is weird. I don't know that I agree with the assumption that she's "hiding medical devices" but who in the world can even survive in a wool coat and long pants in August...???

This woman is clearly cold as ice.

[Pere]

Just so everyone is clear: the meme that Hillary Clinton has some kind of ~undisclosed medical condition~ is a deliberate Trumpist rumor-mill product. It is purely cynical partisan bullshit lies. Think what you will of her, but if you help pass this meme along, you are a tool.

[Simple Dog]

But, sometimes there are pillows on chairs she sits in, and sometimes she leans on a stool!

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by Pere

Just so everyone is clear: the meme that Hillary Clinton has some kind of ~undisclosed medical condition~ is a deliberate Trumpist rumor-mill product. It is purely cynical partisan bullshit lies. Think what you will of her, but if you help pass this meme along, you are a tool.

Harumph! I do say: I am no tool. I am merely laughing at the ridiculousness of both parties and their respective disdain for each other.

We are truly engaging in political theater this election.

[Pere]

Originally Posted by BrickaBracka

Harumph! I do say: I am no tool.

I wasn't actually calling you one there; it didn't seem like you were really trying to push the meme. But you did link to someone who was, so it seemed like a good time to say my piece.

[BrickaBracka]

If I'm trying to push anything...it's more to push this ridiculous shit out into the open.

I would like to hear HRC offer up an explanation for such crazy attire, but it's certainly not of primary importance. I just think it would make for a hilarious interview question.

Our political landscape is absolutely borked. No decorum, no respect. It's a shame.

[AuntiePam]

The "crazy attire" could be because she goes from air-conditioned airplanes to air-conditioned venues.

Plus, she's not a slim gal. She's going to dress to cover up, to hide the thick parts.

Speaking of fashion, what is it with TV women and bare arms lately? Even locally, it's bare arms, no matter the season.

[Detroit Hoser]

I've always suspected it's crazy hot under those studio lights. Why not dress to keep from sweating too much?

[Khampelf]

It's bulletproof is my guess.

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

It's bulletproof is my guess.

That's an interesting thought. Although Michelle Obama is the first lady...and started the whole bare arms trend. Presumably one would think her threat level is at least on par with clintons?

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by Detroit Hoser

I've always suspected it's crazy hot under those studio lights. Why not dress to keep from sweating too much?

We've seen her wear more temperature appropriate clothing before.

But now, when there's all this rumor-milling about her health it's like she decided to build her wardrobe around sustaining the rumor.

Just makes for some great politi-tainment TV!

[Detroit Hoser]

I was speaking of news anchors in the studio, not Hillary Clinton. I don't give a shit what she wears. She's allowed to dress as she pleases.

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by Detroit Hoser

She's allowed to dress as she pleases.

Heh, yeah no shit. And the rest of us are also allowed to go "Weird to wear winter clothing in 80 degree heat no?" Because that is objectively weird. Outside in August with a wool coat on...and I say "Hmmm, odd. I bet that gets the rumor mill going!" and guess what, it did.

Anyway, I thought this was nifty: Libertarian does a not very libertarian thing

I'm curious to see if Johnson will pick up enough steam to make the debate stage. I strongly strongly doubt he'll be able to offer serious competition to the two bright shining stars, but hey...three's company!

It would be nice to have someone else to talk about in a serious way besides which of the diptards is worse and in which way they're worse than they other for once.

[AuntiePam]

Originally Posted by BrickaBracka

Heh, yeah no shit. And the rest of us are also allowed to go "Weird to wear winter clothing in 80 degree heat no?" Because that is objectively weird. Outside in August with a wool coat on...and I say "Hmmm, odd. I bet that gets the rumor mill going!" and guess what, it did.

[beating dead horse] Who got close enough to be able to tell that it's wool?

Even if it IS wool, there are different weights, and if it's lightweight and lined with something cool, like silk, it's not going to be all that hot.

Wool wicks sweat. Insulators work both ways -- it might keep her more cool than if she'd worn light cotton.

Trump's people are making a big mistake with this, especially with that fake-ass letter from Trump's "doctor". He couldn't get a real doctor to write a real letter?

[Glazer]

Why is that not Libertarian? The main reason for government is to protect the common good. A carbon tax seems like a very Libertarian way of regulating emissions.

[eleanorigby]

Originally Posted by Detroit Hoser

I was speaking of news anchors in the studio, not Hillary Clinton. I don't give a shit what she wears. She's allowed to dress as she pleases.

And not to mention that nobody-individuals or media- ever comments on the lightweight wool suits male candidates wear in summer.
You can bet that if HRC went sleeveless, she'd be criticized or "questioned" as to why she wasn't wearing more "age-appropriate" attire and accused of attempting to look younger than she is.

[BrickaBracka]

Originally Posted by AuntiePam

Trump's people are making a big mistake with this, especially with that fake-ass letter from Trump's "doctor". He couldn't get a real doctor to write a real letter?

No shit? I've not heard of this! I'm going to go google

LOL these guys are a comedy goldmine. "She's sick! She's crazy! She's got brain damage!"

Instead of "Her policies are bad because X, Y, Z!" It's really pathetic.

HRC seems to focus on Trumps bad temperament. Which admittedly is bad. But isn't it easier to just sink him on his asinine policies? And Trump focuses on HRC's scandals and health. But wouldn't his supporters be more likely to villify her on what she intends to do once she's in office?

Good lord it is truly depressing that Jon Stewart ain't around for this cycle

[BJMoose]

No. What is truly depressing is that people would much rather do this ad hominem crap than discuss issues.

[BrickaBracka]

"If you can't win them over with facts, dazzle them with bullshit"

[eleanorigby]

Hahhahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!

TrumpNotOnMinnesotaBallot


You cannot make this shit up.