The 2016 Presidential Campaign

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plumbean

Wonder if AJH recalls that his side was threatening armed insurrection if they lost.

You mean my independent Florida voter side? I'd call you a worthless cunt Plumbean old boy, but I've too high a regard for cunts.

Don't worry. See when it comes to the independents, we're used to being the enemy of fanatics on both sides, especially on the internet. That's why it gives us such sick pleasure to bend you over and brutally fuck you in every election.

This time I didn't even have to show up. Just put my hands in my pockets.

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

Originally Posted by NAF1138

We can only rely on the Latino vote for as long as the GOP continues to treat them like the enemy. Historically they are the GOP base. Conservative family values catholics. The GOP racism will die out on that front quickly. Less quickly now than before Trump. But quickly.

What? How many Hispanics do you actually know? How many black people do you actually know? Try this test: ask a black guy whether its easier to go dinner with a white girlfriend's family, or a Hispanic girlfriend's family. Don't even get him started on the Asians.

Hispanics will get rid of GOP racism. Wow. That's a new one.

[Mr. Plumbean]

Bullshit. You voted for Trump and probably came in your pants when you pulled the lever.

[Mr. Plumbean]

Nice to know we have this resource on what the blacks and Hispanics really think in AJH.

[NAF1138]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jackson's Hair

What? How many Hispanics do you actually know? How many black people do you actually know? Try this test: ask a black guy whether its easier to go dinner with a white girlfriend's family, or a Hispanic girlfriend's family. Don't even get him started on the Asians.

Hispanics will get rid of GOP racism. Wow. That's a new one.

I grew up in South Los Angeles. I know literally hundreds.

The GOP will quickly (relatively.) stop treating the Hispanic voters like the enemy. I don't think it will do anything for any other minority. But before Trump the GOP was already making moves to bring Latinos into the fold.

Was I not clear that I was only talking about racism towards Latinos?

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plumbean

Bullshit. You voted for Trump and probably came in your pants when you pulled the lever.

Right. You've been so right all along, you're so smart. That's why you just got curb-stomped by a tacky 70-year old real estate developer in a shitty toupe.

[Mr. Plumbean]

I don't subscribe to the myth that the better side wins so I don't take a loss as personal failing.

[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

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[Andrew Jackson's Hair]

Originally Posted by AuntiePam

Controlling reproductive rights is a cornerstone of the right wing's agenda.

Let me sum this up for you: the Republic won't rise or fall based upon whether some rodeo skank needs to drive a few extra hours for an abortion. Four years from now you can get someone on that podium that talks about shit that matters to the entire country, or you can get someone up there that talks about a 50 year old Supreme Court case in blatant attempt to pander to leftist cat ladies.

[SmartAleq]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment as well--chemical abortions are now the standard of care for first trimester terminations. Misoprostol and mifepristone are available over the internet and are just gonna get easier and easier to get. I foresee a time when every woman of reproductive age has a stash in her medicine chest to take care of those inconvenient failures of birth control. The forced birthers can foment and flip out and make ridiculous requirements of "abortion clinics" and all they're going to manage to do is to make access to birth control more difficult. However, the number of states where BC is available over the counter is going to go up as well and if it gets bad in some of the benighted states I see a brisk trade in buying BC and misoprostol in easy states and bringing them in to the asshole states. Women are nothing if not bloody fucking ingenious in taking care of our issues when we have to--mostly what they're waging a war on is convenience. So yeah, I don't really see reproductive rights going too far backwards--and a Lysistrata backlash could prove quite effective. "Sorry, hon, but without access to reliable BC and termination services I just don't feel comfortable banging you." Boom, done.

[AuntiePam]

I didn't say the republic would fall if Roe v. Wade is overturned. You said this election isn't a threat to Roe v. Wade. It most assuredly is.

[Mr. Plumbean]

He doesn't have a womb and thinks anyone who needs an abortion is a skank. So nice of him to drop in and condescend to women who are worried about what his candidates will do to them.

[hajario]

I am so glad that AJH is back. Always an entertaining read.

[SmartAleq]

Yeah, he's an asshole but he's not a stupid asshole.

[Flying Saucerian]

Oh, just read, Trump wants to continue living in Trump Tower as much as possible instead of moving to the White House.

[SmartAleq]

Well yeah, it takes a long time and patience to get things exactly tacky enough and he isn't allowed to substantially change most of the White House to suit his trailer trash nouveau riche esthetic.

[NAF1138]

So the idea is that the president is always at work if he lives in the white house. That's why he lives there. I wonder how many days Trump is going to actually work. Think he will take more time off than W did?

[Flying Saucerian]

We can only hope.

And the man is STILL Tweeting 'fat' jokes about Rosie O'Donnell. STILL. This is the President of the United States.

That's what makes this so horrifying. The worst possible people and behavior have been validated.

[SmartAleq]

I foresee his unfortunate demise somewhere in mid March 2017 or so to allow Prez Pence to take over. I suspect that was the whole reason why the RNC allowed Trump to win the nomination--to get their handpicked dickhead in the #2 spot.

[AuntiePam]

Originally Posted by Flying Saucerian

Oh, just read, Trump wants to continue living in Trump Tower as much as possible instead of moving to the White House.

And we'll be paying the rent, for his family and all the hangers-on.

He doesn't want to be watched, that seems obvious.

I'm fine with that. I don't want The White House dirtied up with all his cronies.

[Mr. Plumbean]

Originally Posted by SmartAleq

I foresee his unfortunate demise somewhere in mid March 2017 or so to allow Prez Pence to take over. I suspect that was the whole reason why the RNC allowed Trump to win the nomination--to get their handpicked dickhead in the #2 spot.

I dispute the bolded.

[SmartAleq]

Sorry, forgot the snark tag.

[NAF1138]

As liberals I think we sometimes forget that Trump has promised many good things. Jobs, disengagement from foreign wars, a lessening of the military industrial complex. He promised horrible things too. But, if we can get him to focus on the good we might actually have someone we can work with. This is not true of the Tea Party or the neo cons he's been palling around with.

My feeling is treat him like a puppy. Praise him when he does good, rub his face in it when he's bad. He was a liberal for most of his life. If we push him the right way I think we can win him back. We just have to pander to his ego.

[Pere]

Originally Posted by NAF1138

As liberals I think we sometimes forget that Trump has promised many good things. Jobs, disengagement from foreign wars, a lessening of the military industrial complex. He promised horrible things too. But, if we can get him to focus on the good we might actually have someone we can work with. This is not true of the Tea Party or the neo cons he's been palling around with.

You are in no position to influence him. Those people he's been palling around with are lining up for administration appointments as we speak. Also, I must have missed the part about "lessening of the military industrial complex." What I recall is, "I am the toughest guy. I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great."

[Simple Dog]

And when did Trump promise "jobs" in any meaningful way? All I ever heard from him on that subject was magical thinking, that there are a bunch of "bad trade deals" that "send jobs overseas."

[NAF1138]

Originally Posted by Pere

You are in no position to influence him. Those people he's been palling around with are lining up for administration appointments as we speak. Also, I must have missed the part about "lessening of the military industrial complex." What I recall is, "I am the toughest guy. I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong, and so powerful, and so great."

Sure we are. We all are. We are the media now. Or at least we have the ability to be. We actually can influence stuff. I'm not saying he is going to be successful, but he wants to rebuild infrastructure and pull back from being the world's police. Raising our voice and saying keep your promise is meaningful.

Maybe you don't know Trump supporters. I know a lot. It's nuts how many people in my life support Trump. If you also know those people it's important to not let them off the hook.

Write your congress person. Daily. Make sure they hold him accountable.

Assuming that you don't have the power just means you are giving up.

[running coach]

Originally Posted by Simple Dog

And when did Trump promise "jobs" in any meaningful way? All I ever heard from him on that subject was magical thinking, that there are a bunch of "bad trade deals" that "send jobs overseas."

He did declare he would be the greatest jobs President ever.

3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’

Trump has said he will revitalize manufacturing in various iterations (i.e. "I’m going to be the greatest jobs president God ever created") and laid out how in his June 28 speech on the economy.

Trump promises to create 25 million jobs with economic plan

Donald Trump on Thursday fleshed out his campaign's economic plan, declaring in a speech at the New York Economic Club that it would deliver a jolt to the economy and create 25 million new jobs over the next decade.

"Over the next 10 years, our economic team estimates that under our plan the economy will average 3.5 percent growth and create a total of 25 million new jobs. You can visit our website, just look at the math, it works," Trump told his lunchtime audience.

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by NAF1138

He was a liberal for most of his life.

I'm not convinced he was ever actually anything but a Donald J. Trumpist. He seems to do whatever gets him more attention, power, and/or money.

[Solfy]

He told the rust belt that he's going to bring the steel industry back.

The steel industry that began collapsing before I was born and finished doing so about 35 years ago. Back to the mills that have long since been razed for shopping mall parking lots.
Somehow. He was fuzzy on the details.

[Pere]

I think few people--for or against Trump--had by Election Day grasped just how "fuzzy on the details" this man is.

Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal

During their private White House meeting on Thursday, Mr. Obama walked his successor through the duties of running the country, and Mr. Trump seemed surprised by the scope, said people familiar with the meeting. Trump aides were described by those people as unaware that the entire presidential staff working in the West Wing had to be replaced at the end of Mr. Obama’s term.

After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.

[sturmhauke]

He's run many businesses into the ground, so clearly he knows what he's doing.

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[lulz]

Originally Posted by NAF1138

So the idea is that the president is always at work if he lives in the white house. That's why he lives there. I wonder how many days Trump is going to actually work. Think he will take more time off than W did?

As long as Trump isn't setting up a hombrew server in his penthouse and compromising national security, I don't care where he works. I hope he does move all operations to Trump Tower just to make people's heads explode.

[running coach]

Originally Posted by lulz

As long as Trump isn't setting up a hombrew server in his penthouse and compromising national security, I don't care where he works. I hope he does move all operations to Trump Tower just to make people's heads explode.

The biggest problem with Trump Tower is the lack of security and the shutdown of a major portion of Manhattan.
Remember, it's located on 5th Ave.

Next, if he plans to commute on weekends, there's the cost of AF One, the plane that carries the armored limo and Secret Service chase vehicles, who knows what else.
The disruption on at the airport, highways and city streets to allow the motorcade.
The time needed to go to and from the airports and the logistics surrounding that.
Twice every week, at least.

[Pere]

Originally Posted by running coach

The biggest problem with Trump Tower is the lack of security and the shutdown of a major portion of Manhattan.
Remember, it's located on 5th Ave.

Well, there's also the fact that the hundreds of people who will need to frequently meet with the President (and many of the thousands who will occasionally) mostly all have offices in Washington.

[running coach]

Originally Posted by Pere

Well, there's also the fact that the hundreds of people who will need to frequently meet with the President (and many of the thousands who will occasionally) mostly all have offices in Washington.

Trump does not go to little people. Little people go to Trump.

[Nonny J. Nonnington III]

Originally Posted by NAF1138

Write your congress person. Daily. Make sure they hold him accountable.

One of my Senators is Elizabeth Warren. She doesn't need me to remind her.

[NAF1138]

Originally Posted by Nonny J. Nonnington III

One of my Senators is Elizabeth Warren. She doesn't need me to remind her.

She would probably be the exception.

[sturmhauke]

Out this way we have Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris, who is taking over for Barbara Boxer. Harris is already going to town against Trump, and she's not even officially in the Senate yet.

[BJMoose]

Originally Posted by Nonny J. Nonnington III

One of my Senators is Elizabeth Warren. She doesn't need me to remind her.

Lucky you. My representative will soon be spying on us.