Soviet Mafia Day Three

[Pleonast]

Welcome to Day Three! Dead Cat has been brutilated. The Day will end on Wed Apr 17. Enjoy!

Oh, and TexCat is now Executioner.

Vote count at https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpo...64&postcount=8

[SNFaulkner]

So long Dead Cat.

Lightfoot, any news?

for commissar.

[SNFaulkner]

Where the heck is everybody...body..ody? Can any one here me...me...me!

[SNFaulkner]

Well since I'm alone...

*undoes belt to let fat guy out*

*scratches ass*

*belches loudly*

[LightFoot]

checking in finally- oof what a day IRL gimme a minute

[LightFoot]

Crap on a cracker ( Nicest way I could think to say it)

I investigated a worker ( Town)
It was Dead Cat You know- the NK'd one


Scum is tuning in on the commissars leans.It may not help me but it may help game,
I think


I will expand on this idea when soberer
Beer and pizza are effecting my - well everything.-
I will have time this weekend -
Maha I now feel your frustration.

[Silverjan]

I understand why Biotop was killed but I am puzzled by Dead Cats death. Is it because either the last Commissar or executioner was scum or was Dead Cat onto something?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Crap on a cracker ( Nicest way I could think to say it)

I investigated a worker ( Town)
It was Dead Cat You know- the NK'd one


Scum is tuning in on the commissars leans.It may not help me but it may help game,
I think


I will expand on this idea when soberer
Beer and pizza are effecting my - well everything.-
I will have time this weekend -
Maha I now feel your frustration.

That is why I didn't expand on my cases against Brownie 55 and Merestil Haye. I do think they could be scum together, looka at how they both latched onto the supposed confusion that LightFoot was sowing at about the same time, it did feel like a scum collaboration to me and I said so at the time. Another thing that prickled was when Brownie said that he could understand why I thought he was scum, this seems to me that he really knew I was Town, it just sounded like a real scum defence. Also both Merestil Haye and Brownie were pushing for a fillibuster on D1 and I wonder if it was because Logic was possibly scum? Aargh I have so many scum leans at the moment and surely they can't all be scum.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

Well since I'm alone...

*undoes belt to let fat guy out*

*scratches ass*

*belches loudly*

That was funny, glad I am not sitting next to you though

[TexCat]

Poop. I was hoping I was going to get to execute a capitalist scum.

What do yall think about killing Suburban Plankton who seems to have gone missing entirely?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Crap on a cracker ( Nicest way I could think to say it)

I investigated a worker ( Town)
It was Dead Cat You know- the NK'd one


Scum is tuning in on the commissars leans.It may not help me but it may help game,
I think

That is both unbelievable and I totally believe it. I don't know about tuning in on commissar leaning; I think they are just getting really lucky. I would not have predicted that twice in a row on the first two NK's.

Originally Posted by TexCat

Poop. I was hoping I was going to get to execute a capitalist scum.

What do yall think about killing Suburban Plankton who seems to have gone missing entirely?

I'm actually fine with that. We're not limited to one vote, so here is mine.

Kill Suburban Plankton

[SNFaulkner]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

Well since I'm alone...

*undoes belt to let fat guy out*

*scratches ass*

*belches loudly*

Guy=gut

[SNFaulkner]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Crap on a cracker ( Nicest way I could think to say it)

I investigated a worker ( Town)
It was Dead Cat You know- the NK'd one


Scum is tuning in on the commissars leans.It may not help me but it may help game,
I think


I will expand on this idea when soberer
Beer and pizza are effecting my - well everything.-
I will have time this weekend -
Maha I now feel your frustration.

While I was pretty sure dead cat was/is town, it certainly is a convenient coincidence he just happened to be the NK...

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Poop. I was hoping I was going to get to execute a capitalist scum.

What do yall think about killing Suburban Plankton who seems to have gone missing entirely?

I am not averse to that.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

While I was pretty sure dead cat was/is town, it certainly is a convenient coincidence he just happened to be the NK...

which is precisely why I was suspect of Maha

I didn't think I telegraphed my primary Scum lean that hard but................

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

That is both unbelievable and I totally believe it. I don't know about tuning in on commissar leaning; I think they are just getting really lucky. I would not have predicted that twice in a row on the first two NK's.

I had a 3 sided coin and I almost changed my target.
You were open about your Scum leans- I was a bit ( although I didn't think anyone took much notice)

Perhaps our next Commissar should be someone who has not posted strongly against any one player?

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by TexCat

What do yall think about killing Suburban Plankton who seems to have gone missing entirely?

I'm not in favor of the idea...but I can't fault you for voicing it. My participation in this game has been pretty sad. I am going to make a concerted effort between now and Sundown to get my head back in this game...I'll let you decide whether or not I'm successful.

[LightFoot]

Before I forget

My participation this cycle will be sketchy
I am flying out Monday mid day and won't return home until sometime Friday.
I should be able to check in once a day ( probably late night early morning pacific) but I can't promise much.

[Suburban Plankton]

I've just completed a quick reread of the entire game. Here are a few thoughts:

Both Mahaloth and SNFaulkner have explicitly stated that they wouldn't mind being investigated. That bothers me. It comes across to me as "of course I have nothing to hide...and since I'm obviously not at all concerned about anyone investigating me, there's really no point in anyone actually doing so, right?"

Commissar is a far more valuable role for Scum than executioner is. If Scum control the Commissar, then they control who is investigated, and therefore what information is revealed to Town.

I've gone back and forth several times about whether the Executioner should be killing every Day, or if they should be abstaining until we get a Scum read. I can't help being somewhat distrustful of anyone at this point who has strong feelings one way or the other on this point.

I'm very curious how it is that the Scum killed our Commissar's choice both Nights. I need to look into this a bot more.

at this point, my scum leans are Mahaloth, SNFaulkner, and LightFoot


kill SNFaulkner

[LightFoot]

Plankton, there was a lot more that went on during your absence


Care to speak to any thing else?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

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That is why I didn't expand on my cases against Brownie 55 and Merestil Haye. I do think they could be scum together, looka at how they both latched onto the supposed confusion that LightFoot was sowing at about the same time, it did feel like a scum collaboration to me and I said so at the time. Another thing that prickled was when Brownie said that he could understand why I thought he was scum, this seems to me that he really knew I was Town, it just sounded like a real scum defence. Also both Merestil Haye and Brownie were pushing for a fillibuster on D1 and I wonder if it was because Logic was possibly scum? Aargh I have so many scum leans at the moment and surely they can't all be scum.

There is some sense to your ideas
don't get discouraged.

Lately, anyone that throws shade on me early on gets my attention. Since Scum always seem to want me out of the game as soon a possible.


There's a chance that I would have woke up dead this Day if they could have taken a shot at me.
_{Not sure why, but it has become a pattern}

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

That is both unbelievable and I totally believe it. I don't know about tuning in on commissar leaning; I think they are just getting really lucky. I would not have predicted that twice in a row on the first two NK's.

we have seen Scum get very lucky before- But it could also mean that their side contains players that read us ( you and I- so far) well

Think on that while you ponder your lists

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

Guy=gut

It worked both ways for me

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

~

While I was pretty sure dead cat was/is town, it certainly is a convenient coincidence he just happened to be the NK...

Exactly how I felt when Maha had the same result
I was pissed off when I read my results.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

~
I'm very curious how it is that the Scum killed our Commissar's choice both Nights. I need to look into this a bot more.

at this point, my scum leans are Mahaloth, SNFaulkner, and LightFoot

~

In my case, is it based only on the Commissar results? Or is there something else ?

[LightFoot]

Last Night I posed a few questions/ideas

Were they not worthy of comment? Or did everyone but SNF miss them?


It seemed to me that he was the only one paying attention to my ramblings

[LightFoot]

NETA which might be noteworthy later

[SNFaulkner]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Exactly how I felt when Maha had the same result
I was pissed off when I read my results.

Pissed off when you read you results? Just because he wasn't scum, you mean? Otherwise I only see being pissed off after reading the day opening post revealing that your investigation target was also the nk target. Or OR you're just scum and making shit up.

[SNFaulkner]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

I've just completed a quick reread of the entire game. Here are a few thoughts:

Both Mahaloth and SNFaulkner have explicitly stated that they wouldn't mind being investigated. That bothers me. It comes across to me as "of course I have nothing to hide...and since I'm obviously not at all concerned about anyone investigating me, there's really no point in anyone actually doing so, right?"

Commissar is a far more valuable role for Scum than executioner is. If Scum control the Commissar, then they control who is investigated, and therefore what information is revealed to Town.

I've gone back and forth several times about whether the Executioner should be killing every Day, or if they should be abstaining until we get a Scum read. I can't help being somewhat distrustful of anyone at this point who has strong feelings one way or the other on this point.

I'm very curious how it is that the Scum killed our Commissar's choice both Nights. I need to look into this a bot more.

at this point, my scum leans are Mahaloth, SNFaulkner, and LightFoot


kill SNFaulkner

Killing me is a bad idea for town. But investigating me is fine. Scum know I'm town. Make them kill me.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

Pissed off when you read you results? Just because he wasn't scum, you mean? Otherwise I only see being pissed off after reading the day opening post revealing that your investigation target was also the nk target. Or OR you're just scum and making shit up.

I wasn't trying to be vague

In context I was po'd because my target was NK'd
so not as useful to the living.

That and another Dead Town

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Plankton, there was a lot more that went on during your absence


Care to speak to any thing else?

What would you like me to speak to?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

What would you like me to speak to?

so you don't think that anything else that occured or was discussed is worth commenting on.?

OK

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

I've just completed a quick reread of the entire game. Here are a few thoughts:

Both Mahaloth and SNFaulkner have explicitly stated that they wouldn't mind being investigated. That bothers me. It comes across to me as "of course I have nothing to hide...and since I'm obviously not at all concerned about anyone investigating me, there's really no point in anyone actually doing so, right?"

Commissar is a far more valuable role for Scum than executioner is. If Scum control the Commissar, then they control who is investigated, and therefore what information is revealed to Town.

I've gone back and forth several times about whether the Executioner should be killing every Day, or if they should be abstaining until we get a Scum read. I can't help being somewhat distrustful of anyone at this point who has strong feelings one way or the other on this point.

I'm very curious how it is that the Scum killed our Commissar's choice both Nights. I need to look into this a bot more.

at this point, my scum leans are Mahaloth, SNFaulkner, and LightFoot


kill SNFaulkner

I find your vote for the kill a little bit odd. Both Maha and LightFoot have been commissar and their targets were NK'd and yet you choose to kill someone who hasn't done anything except say that they don't mind being investigated. SNF is, in my opinion, the least likely choice for a lynch (of your 3 scum leans). I suppose people play differently but it does make me curious as to your choice.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

What would you like me to speak to?

What do you think about the Commissars targets being NK'd?

I think that it would be a good ploy for scum the first time it happened but twice is a bit too much. Would scum put themselves under such scrutiny? It's a bit of a conundrum for me at the moment because I haven't felt that either of the Commissars have been scummy.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

In my case, is it based only on the Commissar results? Or is there something else ?

Not, not only the Commissar result, although that did play into it. You've spent a lot of time trying to tell us how the game should be played: who the Commissar should investigate, how we should elect roles. You keep coming up with 'plans' and 'ideas' for the Town to follow. You admonish us all for not 'Scum hunting', but I haven't seen any accusations coming from you.

You have been extremely 'helpful', but haven't produced much of any substance. I find that suspicious.

Originally Posted by Silverjan

I find your vote for the kill a little bit odd. Both Maha and LightFoot have been commissar and their targets were NK'd and yet you choose to kill someone who hasn't done anything except say that they don't mind being investigated. SNF is, in my opinion, the least likely choice for a lynch (of your 3 scum leans). I suppose people play differently but it does make me curious as to your choice.

There was something about the phrasing of this statement

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

I welcome an investigation on me for any and all reasons.

that set off alarm bells in my head - call it a hunch if you will. And since we're not actually voting to kill anyone, but simply voting to tell someone else who they should kill, i don't see anything terribly wrong with playing hunches. if a sufficient number of people agree with me, then maybe it's 'more than a hunch'; if not, then there's no harm done.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

so you don't think that anything else that occured or was discussed is worth commenting on.?

OK

There was a lot of discussion on a lot of topics. Some topics are no longer worth commenting on at this point, as they are no longer timely. Some of them, I have commented on. Some, I am still considering. And I'm sure there are some topics that you thought were important, that I dismissed.

Instead of making vague statements designed to make non-specific implications, why don't you say something specific? What is it that was so important over the last couple Days that I should have commented on, but didn't?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

Not, not only the Commissar result, although that did play into it. You've spent a lot of time trying to tell us how the game should be played: who the Commissar should investigate, how we should elect roles. You keep coming up with 'plans' and 'ideas' for the Town to follow. You admonish us all for not 'Scum hunting', but I haven't seen any accusations coming from you.

You have been extremely 'helpful', but haven't produced much of any substance. I find that suspicious.



There was something about the phrasing of this statement

that set off alarm bells in my head - call it a hunch if you will. And since we're not actually voting to kill anyone, but simply voting to tell someone else who they should kill, i don't see anything terribly wrong with playing hunches. if a sufficient number of people agree with me, then maybe it's 'more than a hunch'; if not, then there's no harm done.

Now you have made me even more curious. What was wrong with my statement/question? I wanted more from you than that. What makes you think we aren't lynching anyone toDay?

[Silverjan]

To make myself clearer, if that's possible, Texcat said that she would go with the majority so we are actually lynching someone, or not, depending on the votes. I'm not sure I like the way you just dismissed the fact that you just want to play a hunch without thinking of the consequences. Didn't Brownie's post ping you at all? I am not disagreeing with everything you say, especially about LightFoot, after her result this morning I am feeling very wary of her. Yes, I do know I am all over the place with my scum leans and that's cos I don't have a clue at the moment, I seem to be looking for "scum tells" I am also feeling a bit distanced from this game, as if I am an outsider looking in and not having a lot to do, I feel rather awkward.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

Not, not only the Commissar result, although that did play into it. You've spent a lot of time trying to tell us how the game should be played: who the Commissar should investigate, how we should elect roles. You keep coming up with 'plans' and 'ideas' for the Town to follow. You admonish us all for not 'Scum hunting', but I haven't seen any accusations coming from you.

You have been extremely 'helpful', but haven't produced much of any substance. I find that suspicious.
~
There was something about the phrasing of this statement that set off alarm bells in my head - call it a hunch if you will. And since we're not actually voting to kill anyone, but simply voting to tell someone else who they should kill, i don't see anything terribly wrong with playing hunches. if a sufficient number of people agree with me, then maybe it's 'more than a hunch'; if not, then there's no harm done.

You seem to be reading me differen than I intended.
I have shared ideas of how the game could be played- ( some have become not so good ideas- true)
I have not once attempted to dictate which way we should go.
"if a sufficient number of people agree with me, then maybe it's 'more than a hunch'; if not, then there's no harm done"

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

There was a lot of discussion on a lot of topics. Some topics are no longer worth commenting on at this point, as they are no longer timely. Some of them, I have commented on.Some, I am still considering. And I'm sure there are some topics that you thought were important, that I dismissed.

Instead of making vague statements designed to make non-specific implications, why don't you say something specific? What is it that was so important over the last couple Days that I should have commented on, but didn't?

Prior to your post toDay your last post was on Night One
I was curious if there had been anything else you found noteworthy during your abscense. You may have seen something that I (we) missed in real time.
You dismissed the question at that time.

[LightFoot]

Jan,
I understand you being wary of me- and for that matter everyone.

If I were Scum, why didn't I just choose a different Townie and say I investigated them?

You wouldn't have believed me then either, but after the way Maha's results were received it would have been safer.


Yep, the old "Scum wouldn't do that" defense.

Carry on.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Jan,
I understand you being wary of me- and for that matter everyone.

If I were Scum, why didn't I just choose a different Townie and say I investigated them?

You wouldn't have believed me then either, but after the way Maha's results were received it would have been safer.


Yep, the old "Scum wouldn't do that" defense.

Carry on.

And that is why I tend to believe you are Town, it's just too much, unless it's all wifom

[brownie55]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

There was a lot of discussion on a lot of topics. Some topics are no longer worth commenting on at this point, as they are no longer timely. Some of them, I have commented on. Some, I am still considering. And I'm sure there are some topics that you thought were important, that I dismissed.

Instead of making vague statements designed to make non-specific implications, why don't you say something specific? What is it that was so important over the last couple Days that I should have commented on, but didn't?

An interesting point, and one I support.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Yep, the old "Scum wouldn't do that" defense.

All I have, too. I'm not even sure if I should be more inclined to think you are Town when the same thing happened to you, less inclined, or if I should write it off as irrelevant.

Despite me being unsure, I am finding that I think of you more as Town now that this happened. So, congrats if you fooled me....for now.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

All I have, too. I'm not even sure if I should be more inclined to think you are Town when the same thing happened to you, less inclined, or if I should write it off as irrelevant.

Despite me being unsure, I am finding that I think of you more as Town now that this happened. So, congrats if you fooled me....for now.

You could be Scum, and for the first investigation- Scum may have thought it was a good play.
But after your 'reception' , doing it the second time would be suicide. dangerous.

IMO

Same if you are Town first time= happy accident, second time not a good idea.
You are not high on my Scum list currently.

[LightFoot]

Where is Inner toDay?

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Now you have made me even more curious. What was wrong with my statement/question? I wanted more from you than that. What makes you think we aren't lynching anyone toDay?

There was nothing wrong with your statement. What I said (or at least attempted to say) was that there was something wrong with the statement by SNFaulkner that I quoted: I'm sorry if that was unclear.

As for why I think we aren't lynching someone Today...that's because we're not. We are suggesting names for TexCat to execute Tonight. That's not at all the same thing as lynching someone, even if the end result appears similar.

If you look back at Day 1, when we were supposed to be 'voting' for someone for Biotop to kill, the target wound up being Logic because three players voted as such.

Originally Posted by Biotop

Is this accurate?

There is no way we would have 'accepted' a lynch based on a 25% plurality...but in this game, nobody seems to have had much of a problem with it. If they did, i didn't notice their complaint.

This shows just how easily the 'will of the people' can be swayed in this game. With so few people 'voting' for a kill, and with the Executioner swearing to be bound by the popular vote, even a single Scum can essentially control the vote.

[Suburban Plankton]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Prior to your post toDay your last post was on Night One
I was curious if there had been anything else you found noteworthy during your abscense. You may have seen something that I (we) missed in real time.
You dismissed the question at that time.

We apparently see the conversation from different points of view.

I prefaced my post with "Here are a few thoughts:"...then proceeded to give a few thoughts. I ended my post (excepting the vote) with "I need to look into this a bit more." The implication was that I would have more to say in the future...but since I had been absent for an extended period of time, i wanted to get some thoughts down while I was still pondering the more difficult questions.

It was your reply that seemed to be to be dismissive: "Is that all you've got?"

And your most recent reply still seems to imply that there are 'noteworthy' events upon which I have not commented. It may be that we have different ideas of what is noteworthy; or perhaps I haven't commented on certain events because I have nothing to add to the conversation.

I will ask you again, is there something specific you think I should have commented on?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

~
I will ask you again, is there something specific you think I should have commented on?

This has become a distraction.

There was not anything specific I wanted you to comment on.

On review there was nothing earth shattering, but you might have seen something and I was curious.
As you were.

[LightFoot]

for Commissar
She seems to have a healthy mistrust of everyone.

[brownie55]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

This has become a distraction.

There was not anything specific I wanted you to comment on.

On review there was nothing earth shattering, but you might have seen something and I was curious.
As you were.

However, it was a distraction you initiated. One of several.